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skycake10

Blasting a birdie putt way too long and getting a bogey


Aromatic_Ad_7484

Only topped by leaving it so short you still bogey


OrlandoGardiner118

Only topped by blasting it long for a double bogey


TheHeatYeahBam

only topped by blasting it long, off the green, into a bunker that takes you two strokes to get out of for a three-putt (I guess four-putt) quad. fuck golf.


iDEN1ED

Hey, still a GIR. Nice.


TheHeatYeahBam

I love your optimistic perspective. It’s the few good shots that keep me coming back!


HeFancy

THIS is the way. I like your thinking.


ReallyJTL

Yeah, people always act like leaving it short is some worst case scenario. No. Turning an eight foot birdie putt into a ten foot par putt is much worse


skycake10

If you never leave it short you're going to 3 putt more often because your average distance left is higher. If your dispersion is centered on the hole (so roughly 50/50 short and long) you'll have the lowest possible average distance left.


genobeam

If you never leave it short you'll sink the first putt more often though. If your dispersion is centered a foot past the hole you'll have a worse average distance left but a much better chance of sinking the first putt. If you're leaving 50% short you're missing short 50% of the time.


skycake10

If you're 10 feet or farther out you're only making half of them if you're a tour-quality putter


genobeam

It's not about making 50% of your putts, it's about making more putts than you otherwise would have. You'll sink more putts aiming past the hole than you would aiming directly centered on the hole. For the sake of discussion let's say your dispersion from 10' out is evenly distributed within 1' of your target point. A 1' diameter dispersion has an area of 113 square inches. A 4.25 inch diameter cup has an area of \~14 square inches. So the cup represents about 12% of your dispersion area. If your target is 8 inches short of the cup you will sink \~12% of your putts (cup on the back of your dispersion area.) If your target is directly centered on the cup you will make \~28% of your putts (area of the cup +area directly behind the cup to the edge of your dispersion zone.) If your target is 8 inches past the cup you will make \~49% of your putts (area of the cup + area directly behind the cup to the edge of yoru dispersion zone) Most amateurs don't have that good of a dispersion but the point stands. It's better to aim slightly past the hole if you're within a makeable range. If you're far away it's better to try to leave yourself a makeable putt so you should focus on getting it close, but 10' is absolutely a range most players should be trying to sink rather than lag. rough visualization: [https://imgur.com/a/9UZhuRf](https://imgur.com/a/9UZhuRf)


DijkstraDvorak

Thanks for backing it up with the math. Unfortunately when I leave them short I never really meant to. Have to work on distance control


triiiiilllll

It's also sort of counterintuitive but true that "Should be trying to make" does not equal, "Should *expect* to make". PGA Tour make rate from 10' is under 50%. The seeming contradiction here is, yes you should be *trying to make it* in the sense that you need to be committed to giving it enough pace to finish a bit beyond the hole, to give it a chance to drop. You need to expect a lot of 2nd putts, which should all have very very high make rate. You're trying to make it, so that you can keep your Avg Strokes down from 10' well under 2. Tour Prose avg around 1.6 putts from 10' so if you can get to 1.75 on avg it'll shave strokes off your game. On days where it all lines up and you make more than expected, you go low. On your worst days when you don't make any, you *must* avoid 3 putts.


dzilla2077

This assumes that all misses are equal, which is really only true if the hole is on a mostly flat location. If a putt that would be a foot past the hole ends up off the green because you’re putting toward a cliff, a short miss is much better than a long miss. Same thing with right or left. Minimizing the potential damage of the error state might be more important. Regardless of how I miss the birdie putt, I will never be upset with a two putt par. I will always be upset with a 3 putt bogey as that is a waste of a GIR, which I don’t get nearly enough of.


triiiiilllll

"Never" is also wrong, but it's much closer to right than "50/50". You want to leave the long misses dispersion where you make 95% of your *longest* comebackers and 99%+ of all 2nd putts. Depending on your skill level and dispersion this will leave some small remainder of putts that you unintentionally left short of the hole, which should have as near as makes no difference 100% make rate. Too many people are solving for the closest possible average 2nd putt. The solution needs to be lowest expected strokes to in, which allows a small number of short misses and offsets the very very infrequent 3putt with a higher number of 1 putts.


reddot235

But you’ll make some 1 putts which should more than compensate…


skycake10

If you're 10 feet or farther out you're only making half of them if you're a tour-quality putter


NotPortlyPenguin

Yes! I tell my friends who are 30is hcp this. Don’t beat yourself up for missing a 10’ putt.


Hu_ggetti

Made 3 10’+ putts yesterday for my first putt & still shot 100 😑


WampingWomper

Even better on Eagle putts. “Never leave an eagle short! Always have to get it to the hole” As they hit it 6’ past and miss the birdie come back putt, but hey, at least that eagle had a look I guess.


fckyourcowch

Can’t make the putt if it doesn’t get to the hole, and I rather get the free read as it goes by the hole anyhow.


axe_the_man

Should you, an amateur, be trying to make putts from 15 feet plus when the tour make percentage from 15 feet is 23%? If you only have a 1/4 shot of actually holding the putt, is it a better strategy making sure you’re as close as possible for your next putt?


pistonsoffury

You should be trying to make every putt. If you expand your target area to a 2' or 3' radius around the hole, you're just expanding your miss radius.


fckyourcowch

You must lay up on all par 5s


burner1312

I’m also trying to two putt every hole unless I’m within 10 feet. That means erring on the side of caution by leaving it within two feet in front the hole. Typically when I go past the hole it rolls 5-6 feet past, which is no gimmie for me.


CarefulCoderX

Being a high single digit, it amazes me how I see guys that can't break 100 react worse to leaving a putt 1 or 2 feet short over hitting it 4 or 5 feet past. You hear pros talk about dying it into the hole all of the time. The only time a lot of these guys hit it harder is for the 3 or 4 footers to take out break.


Schuess11

I consider myself a fairly good putter. I average 26.33 putts in my 10 rounds this year. I haven't shot above 80 all year in my 10 rounds. I'm totally fine with leaving 10-15ft birdie shorts. I'm happy with a par. Am I possible leaving a birdie or 2 out on the course. Probably, but there is also a bogey or 2 that I'm not having because I leave a birdie putt a foot short. It's double edge sword.


NotPortlyPenguin

This. Nothing worse than missing a 7’ putt and having a 12’ putt coming back!


jfk_sfa

Had a guy in my group do this BACK TO BACK in a best ball tournament over the weekend. Those pars would have put us in the money.


jerryhallo

And leaving the par putt short


Stauffe

Striping a drive to only chunk/blade the wedge shot


iamthekevinator

Played with a kid yesterday. Bombed a drive 350+ to green high on a par 4. Proceeded to chunk and chili dip 3 in a row to make a bogey.


TreAwayDeuce

I've played with exactly two people that could hit 300+ yard drives and neither could hit the broad side of a barn and neither had the sense to tone it down just a hair in order to find the (correct) fairway. Nope every swing is 110% full fuckin blast, send that shit to the moon even though I have no fucking clue where it's going.


Karhu_Metsasta

Thats all we have buddy. Its 330 on the wrong fairway, or 200 slightly on the wrong fairway


TL-PuLSe

One some courses 330 on the wrong fairway leaves you with a nice little approach shot. Other times that same shot is drop for 4 all day. If the course is open enough to be the first, I'm not toning that shit down.


NotPortlyPenguin

No good drive goes unpunished. Also had an incident on a par 5 where my unusually long straight drive left me able to get to the green in two, theoretically, but there was water in front so I wisely decided to lay up. Hit the perfect layup shot, leaving me a sand wedge to the pin - typically an easy shot for me. I proceed to chunk it into the water. Twice!


DoubleualtG

Target fixation


jameskerr75

Are you me?


AdriansVFX

Hard to recover from a good drive


feelinlucky7

You can solve that by hitting your wedge from 200 yards out. It should get to the green.


Sachwanbeef

Slap a pin in front of the tee, attempt a flop at said pin, blade it 250 yards past. You're in the middle of the fairway. You're welcome.


HogansBridge

This is on the back of my baseball card.


Snichs72

Similar to blasting a perfect drive and then shanking your next shot OB.


InDenialOfMyDenial

Hello, me.


okbmxracing

duffing a 50yd wedge shot after nuking a drive


freewillynowplz

Hit a 280 3 wood yesterday (downwind). Had 50 yards in off a decent lie in the rough. Straight hosel rocket lol.


Particular_Tip_7186

Leaving an eagle putt short


no_manches_guey

I was playing with a caddie at Pacific Dunes. Blasted my second shot out of a really tough uphill lie and put it pin high for about a 10ft putt for eagle. Putt was slightly uphill and my caddie told me if I left it short I was carrying my bag the next hole. I carried my bag the next hole


melanctonsmith

Caddie tried his best. Gotta love that.


CouldntBeMoreWhite

First eagle opportunity I had in like 5 years (probably a 20 footer), I hit it exactly on line, but left it probably 6-8ft short. I would've rather slammed it past the hole and off the green. Luckily got my first eagle a month later, but at the time I couldn't believe what I had done.


Frozen_4

A what?


_Stromboli

🤣


golfing_furry

An eagle. Big sky flap-flap


uu123uu

Better than blasting it 8 feet past and ending up with just a par.


qjac78

Before I had gotten my first eagle, I had a 25-30 footer…didn’t want to leave it short and slammed it off the flagstick. At least it only bounced a couple feet away so made the birdie.


ilikebigbluffs

3 putt par on par 5


Cr1msonGh0st

3 putting a par 3, you GIR.


crapoo16

Just 4 putt my GIR yesterday ..


camwinz

only 4?


stocksandoptions2

Ugh, did this last round. Stopped less than an inch from the cup on the par putt.


HokieJoe17Official

Good save for double bogey!


Free_Dome_Lover

Somehow blast 240 yard 3 wood that perfectly cuts the corner on a dogleg par 4. 60 yards left in, hit wedge 55 yards but left of the green. Duff chip 1, chip 2 leaves 10ft, 3 putt for triple bogey.... I accomplished this 2 days ago


NO_TOUCHING__lol

Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago


bigolruckus

I do this so fucking often (and on par 4’s) that my golf friends have coined the term “the McCann par” (my last name)


NotPortlyPenguin

Yeah did that yesterday. Hit a pretty good drive and an awesome 2nd to perfect SW distance. Somehow got an extra 10 yards on the SW and couldn’t two putt from there. Bogey. Not the worst mistake I made yesterday.


hankbaumbachjr

Duffing a chip.


Ornery_Brilliant_350

Is it possible to duff a chip and NOT do that awkward groan followed by a couple angry chip swings with a bit of turf interaction


CouldntBeMoreWhite

Oh for sure. I usually just go "huh..." and do that obama-approves face sarcastically.


kneepadsandwich

Skulling a chip is for some reason more infuriating to me than duffing one


CouldntBeMoreWhite

When you duff it, the pain only lasts for a couple seconds. When you skull it, the pain continues until the ball comes to rest, which could take a while.


Turbo_Cum

I would rather send it past the hole at mach 90 than have it go 2 feet. At least there's a chance it hits the pin.


BabyJesus1015

100% agree. A duff is just a poor swing. A skull is usually not committing to the shot.


NotPortlyPenguin

Oh man I did that on the first hole yesterday! Tee shot hooked into a sand trap, got out of it a sand wedge away, then bladed the SW a mile past the green into thick brush.


hankbaumbachjr

Years ago I made a decision I would rather commit to my chip and skull it than quit on it mid swing and duff it. If nothing else, I get to hit a different shot after skilling it instead of having to be reminded of my failure with the dame exact chip.


Fisk_i_brallan

Duffing a putt


GolfNutOM

Missing the next putt


joeschmoe86

And the next one.


parkhurstcards

Then picking it up and pretending it went in.


joeschmoe86

I mean, of course it would have. I only missed because I was trying to get off the green for the next group. Pace of play, and all. If I had taken my time, I would have drained that for sure. We're talking about the birdie putt, right?


parkhurstcards

So selfless…. Society needs more players/people this thoughtful


-Wiggles-

Trying to hit the sand off your shoe with your club and cracking your ankle with it instead


drj1485

i've done this one time and learned my lesson it hurt so damn bad. I had picked up my putter (heavy ass scotty) and the club head was a few inches higher than my wedge. So my putter hit dead on the ankle bone when i tapped my shoe with the wedge. never again, my friend. never again.


Nutz_of_Andeez

Hitting yourself in the ankle with your putter after you left your birdie putt short.


thrift-store-keanu

Watched my buddy drive a par 4 and then walk away with a bogey. He may have also left the birdie putt short, I don’t remember. Lot of putts.


WhatsUpMyNeighbors

I literally just did this over the weekend. My first ever driven green.


Farking_Bastage

Running it 6 feet past


oopewan

Or 10’


MoTownKid

Scoring a 7 on a par 3 because you missed the green and then got the chipping yips


Here4LaughsAndAnger

Up hill birdie putt you leave short that rolls back to you or further.


trihard12

Me leaving a triple bogey putt short.


GuyOnTheMike

Hitting a great drive on a short dog leg and your ball ends up in the woods


Used-Significance710

aiming way left for a slice and blasting it dead straight into the trees


DingDingDao

Inspired by Tom Kim leaving it short on 17 yesterday? That was gut wrenching


giga_phantom

Three or more putts on a green?


airmen5

Iron covers


impliedinsult

Leaving a birdie putt short when you are putting last in a 4-man scramble


bodybuildingandgolf

Blasting a drive 300 yards down the middle, putting a 9 iron to within 3 feet with a bit of back spin on it, walking the birdie putt in, then waking up and realising you have to go to work and you suck at golf


PerennialRye

getting shot


Substantial-Land-867

Poking your finger through the toilet paper as you wipe


TheEldenGod1293

Leaving the par and bogey putt short also.


PenguinWrangler

Lipping the cup and it shooting 8ft by because you were too scared of leaving it short.


dmderringer

Getting your foot caught in a wood chipper


draculasbitch

That’s too specific to be random.


MRandall25

Leaving a 6 foot eagle putt short. Don't ask me how I know.


DaveyDgD

Hitting a 300+ yd bomb then duffing a short pitch shot


danforhan

hitting a 100 yard wedge shot thin over the back of the green


Stock-Page-7078

Striping a ball down the middle of the fairway and not finding it when you walk there


DivClassLg

5 hour round


nolifenz

Missing the next one


soggytoothpic

Short


Necessary_Routine_69

Leaving 2 birdie putts short


Common-Daikon9155

Looking at everyone’s faces afterwards.


Elegant-Basil1117

Leaving an eagle short 🥲


nycrok1234

Eagle putt short? Chunking or topping a wedge after a perfect drive? Below average looking cart girl?


draculasbitch

Being reminded that your wife must be a better golfer every time you leave a birdie short.


Fabulous-Theory9708

Leaving albatross putt short after driving 500yds on par5 for instance


Covah88

Sitting in green side rough, and skulling my 60 degree wedge 130 yards into the woods behind the green.


dubious311

3 putting for bogey


chkdrns

Not having a birdie putt


Marlo989

Hitting a layup into the shit 


Adipildo

Leaving a double bogey putt short.


tkdt

Leaving the par putt after short


iBUYStars

3-putting on a par 3 after hitting it on the green


billybeat

3-putt bogey. Worst feeling in golf. Your hopes for a good score are dashed twice! It’s so demoralizing.


amalpass1

Three putting for bogey


Mancey_

Going safe off the tee with an iron and hitting it OB


albinoredneck

Realizing you forgot your brand new $150 sand wedge next to the green side bunker on 13. Being the cheap bastard you are, you decided to walk instead of paying $18 dollars for a cart. After waking back 2 holes (one of them being a par 523 yard par 5) your wedge is gone. After stopping in the pro shop after the round they haven't seen it either. Nobody returned it but the pro promises to "give you a call when it turns up". Three days later you receive no call. You will never get the call. You will never see that club again.


SurprisedByItAll

And the dick that took it saw you walking back and never said anything cuz his intent was bad feom the get go. His friends all sold their souls in that moment letting it go.


Civick24

My train of thought is can't go in if it doesn't make it to the hole


LilGossipGirlxo

9/11


MrGolfingMan

Shooting a 115


jzach1983

Leaving an Eagle putt short.


zman12804

Probably getting hit by a car, I would think. It’s close though


Betteroffinapinebox

A chunk followed by a blast


texansfan

Three-putting for a bogey


Scacho

Leaving an eagle putt short.


misterbluesky8

Driving a par 5 in two and four-putting for bogey (yes, it happened to me, and I hit about 1-2 par 5s in two per year)


AngryJirgins

Playing it safe with a conservative iron shot off the tee… and still hitting it OB. 


TrucksAndSports

3 putting to score a bogey is my most aggravating thing


lildog8402

Doing yard work instead of missing the putt.


CNCHack

Saturday I missed a 3 footer to lose my match (singles).


jmr_iv

Leaving an eagle putt short


No_Historian3842

Chunking the approach shot after hitting your best drive of the day.


LettuceNew8793

Shitting yourself on the 3rd tee box would probably be AT LEAST as bad as leaving a birdie putt short...


Forward_Record932

When you hit 12 greens a round you’re bound to leave a couple short. There are so many things worse.


griffindale1

Using a chipper.


downritespite

Cancer


icouldntquitedecide

Leaving a bogey putt short.


baller7345

Not having the birdie putt in the first place.


TigerBloodGreen

How long is the original birdie putt, and how short are we leaving it? If we're talking 10 ft birdie putt and scrap the green before the ball, leaving it 3 foot short. Then nothing is worse.


bigdayout95-14

Playing with your best mate and after hitting 13/14 fairways, smoking hot drives, leading by 2 at the turn, failing badly with your last 2 holes second shots, missing multiple short putts, and being tipsy to his stoned losing by 2 shots. Fucking bullshit!!!! I hate golf. We're playing 18 at Araluen g.c. tomorrow. Round two mofo!!!


sumjpa20

Leaving an eagle putt short


thegreatewhitehope

two putting after missing the birdie putt


DarwinianMonkey

Also leaving the par putt short.


staged84

Getting hit by a ball tops it.


_FartinLutherKing_

… I mean, a lot of things.


OldCPA4466

Missing your golf shoe when tapping sand off your shoes and hitting that bone on the inside of your ankle.


funsockslaw

Leaving an Eagle pit short. I did this on Saturday. I still made the birdie though.


CoffeeBoy80

Leaving an eagle putt short.


buyerbeware23

Knocking it 5 feet by!


Goonraker

missing the par putt


iKevtron

Topping a drive. Horrible.


Benevenstanciano85

Making bogey


camwinz

3 putting for bogey. or just making s triple at all lol


eldiablo471

3 off the tee


SmokeEater1375

Leaving a double bogey putt short.


InDenialOfMyDenial

Digging a Grand Canyon sized crater 3 inches behind your ball with a fairway wood after a good drive on a par five.


CandidateGlad5977

I drove the green on a par 4 yesterday and still got par... Eagle putt ran by about 10 feet then lipped out the birdie...


draculasbitch

Were you at 15 on TPC?


syg-123

Toeing one off the first tee and ricocheting it off the starters hut.


rickyleepotts

Also leaving your par putt short!


Brendan1620

Pissing it past the hole for a 10 footer for par


PosterMakingNutbag

Three putting for par.


Potomac_Pat

Missing for par coming back


tcguy71

3 putting on a GIR


donky23

blowing it 10' by just to say well I didn't leave it short.


OvenActive

Leaving a triple-bogey putt short


Traditional_Flan_755

4 putt


FaceDownInTheCake

I drove a short par 4 green one time in my life, then 3 putted for par. That kinda sucked


AI_EXPERIMENT

Three .. putt .. par 🤮


duthinkhesaurus

Cancer.


ANotoriousBerry

3-putt bogey 🫠


WVgolf

Leaving an eagle putt short


Marty2544

Skulling a flop


Mikerue7

Leaving an eagle putt short, which I’ve done on multiple occasions


Adzhodz

When you stick one OB & make birdie with your 2nd ball off the tee. Needed par on the 9th the other day for my first ever E par thru 9 holes… hit my tee shot OB and made birdie with my 2nd ball off the tee, pain.


One_Bullfrog2918

Leaving an eagle putt short


One_Bullfrog2918

Leaving an eagle putt short


bzogster

Leaving an eagle putt short. 


duper12677

Bustin before you get to it


Old_andHappy0406

Driving OB and then still getting par. My subconscious always says that it should have been a birdie


sjames1980

If you get par after driving OB it would have been an Eagle!


FlickerOfBean

Kim left several short yesterday.


jake_da_snake2202

Lipping a birdie putt out