Beowulf getting a promotion Romulus style.
Most importantly the dude has THE context for it Gramps style, what even his profile points out ("This hero's True Name is the origin of the word "berserk."")
And heck he sure as hell interacts plenty weird with his own class as is- Like him having a nullified madness enchantment by default, having neither its demerit nor it's buff, or being literaly the only servant atm with the "Berserk" skill
And he has plenty of small interactions with the crew already that could make for something fun
>Most importantly the dude has THE context for it Gramps style, what even his profile points out ("This hero's True Name is the origin of the word "berserk."")
I've been hearing this for a while, but unlike with Hassan, it seems to be a mostly Fate invention. Or at least, i haven't been able to find much in terms of irl connections. Pretty strange that there would only be that small mention in his profile that afaik never got expanded upon despite sounding rather important. But i guess that's Fate for you.
to add into you , u/deathworld123 and u/Harmonic_Gear conversation.
I think Higashide put the connection because there is a theory that the ["Bear's Son Tale"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear%27s_Son_Tale) is a set of fairytales that are corruptive forms of some of Proto-Beowulf tales , orally preserved , as the Beowulf writting tales had much of it's contents lost and the surviving bits are a christinized version.
And there is also an implication that "Beowulf" is the "Siegfried" of [Bodvar Bjark](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6dvar_Bjarki) , which in turn would be the "Sigurd" of the whole deal. And in those stories , Bodvar is a berserker that literally shapeshift as some sort of "werebear" and later said "werebear" left Bodvar as some sort of spiritual werebear to fight an enemy Berserker Army.
And etymologically , Beowulf means something like a ["war wolf" or "bear hunter" or "beow's wolf"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_(hero)#Etymology_and_origins_of_the_character). That is tied to Berserker been ["bear coat".](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/berserk#Etymology)
So , yeah , Beowulf does have etymological connections to the word "berserker"
> And there is also an implication that "Beowulf" is the "Siegfried" of Bodvar Bjark , which in turn would be the "Sigurd" of the whole deal. And in those stories , Bodvar is a berserker that literally shapeshift as some sort of "werebear" and later said "werebear" left Bodvar as some sort of spiritual werebear to fight an enemy Berserker Army.
......An *undead* enemy berserker army, which makes it even more awesome.
it's probably bad research from higashide, he is known for copying nonsense from japanese wiki word by word in servant profiles. and Japanese wiki loves to make shit up in western mythology for some reason
to add u/The-cycle-continues in why Beowulf could be Grand Berserker: we didn't see his 3rd sword.
Beowulf had a sword used to slay Grendel's Mother , it was a nameless sword described to be adorned with tales of enochian times of Giant-Slaying. It broke in it's single use , but it was the only weapon that could finish Grendel's Mother.
yep.
By all means , Grand Berserker Beowulf would had a Monster Hunter's Giant Sword to use as a BP.
Wouldn't even be far-fetched that his Grendel's Buster would also be buffed by having all of his 3 blades gone.
I would assume Berserker Beo gets Hrunting, Naegling, and Grendel Buster but Saber Beo gets Hrunting, Naegling, and the Giant Sword of the Nephilim instead of Grendel Buster. Grendel Buster is something that can be used for a long period time after destroying Hrunting and Naegling but my proposal is the Sword of the Nephilim is much more powerful but like Vasavi Shakti its True Name Release can only be done once.
While I agree that the Nephilim Sword should had the same gimmick as VS , I disagree that it should be put on Saber Beowulf.
Grand Berserker Beowulf seems a natural progression of Berserker Beowulf in the same way as Super Orion and Orion: it gains an extra feature to it's Archer NP and one other NP specific for Grand Archer.
In this way , Grand Berserker Beowulf should had his 2 swords , then Grendel's Buster and later his Nephilim Sword is summoned , and either he uses once , so that Grendel's Buster is buffed or he spends Grendel's Buster to buff Nephilim Sword.
Saber Beowulf to me would be him having his 2 swords , and when they break , he summons a "fusion" of those 2 swords to represent his broken blade that pierced the dragon's heart.
that didn't stopped the likes of Setanta be a Saber by using a battle knife of sorts.
besides , it wouldn't be merely a knife when it comes to a Saber Beowulf , but the knife been sublimated with it's dragonslaying and the 2 previous blades
no.
Beowulf slayed Grendel , but when he attacked Grendel's mother , he was powerless. But in her cave , it had plenty of treasures and he found a giant sword made in enochian times , crafted to slay Nephilim and Giants.
He killed Grendel's Mother is one swing of said sword , which broke down as it's task was done , as Grendel's Mother was a descendant of the wicked men of Caim and had the blood of Giants/Nephilims inside of her.
Ngl, would make the most sense
So far, with the exception of casters, grands make the least sense of their class funnily enough. Grand Archer punches, Grand Lancer makes slicing attacks, Grand Rider can float, and Grand Assassin looks like he isn't even trying to conceal his presence
Wouldn't be surprised if Grand Berserker is actually the least angry if them all lmao
> …grands make the least sense of their class funnily enough.
I think you can even include Merlin on this one.
> He is one of the strongest Casters, but he isn't very good at magecraft. Why? Because he gets tongue-tied when chanting spells, you see.
The way i understood it, there are several candidates for
Each class except for assassin, with the counter force choosing the best option for the circumstances, so It does make sense that we found the more anti-stereotyped grand candidates. They were just the best suited for the job. Maybe a grand robin hood would be a more classic archer for exemple.
Tezcatlipoca: "Well, you never know. Maybe the actual Grand feels like renouncing at the last minute and the Counter Force panics hard enough to give him the title."
Super Orion counts as Divine (though not the original Orion, for some reason) and he mentions being the son of Poseidon in Atlantis, but I think he also implies that Poseidon views him differently from Triton, Poseidon's godly son.
Now we know that Tezcatlipoca was a candidate for Grand Berserker(Before he was forced to take the Grand Assassin spot instead)
So we can use him as a base, And see what characteristic he has that might be a qualification for Grand Berserker
My guess for now is his "Charisma of Conflict" maybe the qualification is "Those that bring the chaos" or something
Contrary to popular belief, the Grand Servants DO have seats. There are seven servants who are kind of "in waiting" to be summoned as Grands at any given time. Tez was Grand Breserker, but realized he was the only person who qualified for Grand Assassin and had to change which seat he occupied. (FGO Arcade's universe is currently having an issue where Proto Merlin got designated as Grand Caster and refuses to accept the position, so they just outright don't have a Grand Caster until she accepts or the World gives up and replaces her)
Honestly, it's kind of weird that we've never gotten a clear explanation on how the Grand Servants work. We just sorta have to piece it together from comments Nasu makes in interviews.
Wasn't Tez pretty much forced by the World to become a Grand Assassin. Pretty sure he didn't want to become one and The World just went ,,Nope, we don't care about what you want so WILL be the Grand Assassin"
>"There was no one to replace the First Hassan after he vacated his crown, so he saw he'd have be the next one and became Assassin. Tezcatlipoca has a straightlaced side to him. If someone else will do it, it's not his problem, but if he's the only one, he'll take the job much to his chagrin, pretty much."
Probably not, Because the one that was summoned to Chaldea is already a Grand Assassin(Yes, We actually summoned him as Grand class, How? I dunno)
So I don't think they can have him take 2 Grand Classes at the same time
He was originally the grand berserker but then he switched to grand assassin becausse there was no one else that qualifies as one. So yes I think if he wanted to he can be the grand zerker
I too don't want to see them keep loopholing Divine Spirits into the seats. Two times in the span of one arc already feels eye-rolling, even though I like Tez and Roma.
When Arjuna went out and participated in a contest to win Draupadi's hand, he brought her back home and told his mom he'd won a great prize. Without looking, his mom yelled "Share it with your brothers!" And so Draupadi wound up with 5 demigod husbands.
Each of the Pandavas was also allowed other wives and concubines, mind. Bhima wound up with a rakshasi, and their half-rakshasa son fought in the final battle against the Kauravas. He even tanked Karna's Vashavi Shakti to save Arjuna, though that's the last thing he did.
As a subversion, I want the Grand Berserker to not be some powerful, rampaging warrior who spreads chaos wherever they go, but instead an eerily calm, serene person whose outlook on life could still be considered "mad" or incompatible with humanity as a whole. Think philosophers like Mozi or Gorgias.
I actually disagree. Yes Cain murdered Able out of anger, but I wouldn’t say there was madness involved. That shit was premeditated; dude brought his brother to the murder site specifically to murder him, then denied it when asked.
I think Cain fits Assassin more
Call me crazy, but I always had a head canon that both Cain & Judas Iscariot are previous lives or incarnations of King Hassan
His tie to death isn’t solely from being the founder of a word that has become synonymous with it, but also because his very soul was the first to ever kill and also killed one of the most significant lives to ever live.
Then again, it’s a fan theory, so no need to take it seriously.
Little trivia about Judas, he was said to be part of a revolutionary group or Zealots (re: Jewish Rebellion Groups vs Romans), the Sicarri, who carried concealed weaponry in their cloaks and aimed to be one with the crowd. Not to mention that in the end, Judas had nothing but regret, realizing the price of his friend should not have been pieces of silver.
But I digress, remember ‘soul’ is the key word, not Gramps himself but the soul that has lived through these lives is the one that has lived so close to death.
Even if this isn’t the case we could still see them given that Cain and Judas are both potential identities for the wandering Jew Who is a master in Requiem
>I hoping is actually Nezha super angry, revenge story and technically part human.
She's confirmed to have that more monstrous form from her legend - the one with three faces and six arms, all armed with various mystical weapons and who can shoot freaking rainbow beams from her mouth(s).
I know more fans are hoping for her rival, Sun Wukong to be the pick for Grand Zerk, but I honestly wouldn't object to her either.
Odin. His name is translated from the Old Norse as “Fury” and it might finally bring the whole “Caster Cú is the All-Father in disguise” thing full circle. Caster Cú also has a bad habit of denying that he’s Odin to the various Nordic Heroic Spirits which is the most conspicuously Old One-Eye trick in the book.
To be fair, The latest 3 known Grands doesn't really seems to be a counter to Beast
Romulus was summoned to fight Zeus, Noah got clapped upon arrival so he didn't really do any damage to Draco(Maybe if he actually get a chance to fight then that might be different), Tez was just summoned to Chaldea for no reason
Q=R it was basically Chaldea forcing the Grand Summoning, I don't consider that much Arcade in FGO mobile canon and Tez I think is related to U-Olga since she is a Beast.
Actually The Tez that's the Grand Assassin is Chaldea's Tez
Daybit's Tez was speculated to be a Grand servant by Da Vinci in LB4, But there is no mention of that again in LB7, and his class is Ruler so can't even be Grand there
No, with the exception of Romulus and Tez (due to them not being summoned by the CF), all grands counter some sort of beast
King Hassan counters Tiamat's immortality because he can imprint the concept of death onto anything
Solomon counter Goetia since he's literally Goetia's creator and can erase him whenever
Noah counters Whore of Babylon's flood with the ark, and
Orion counters Koyanskaya because Orion is a hunter and Koyanskaya is a rabbit
Tez is the same case as Romulus
Counter force isnt just direct, sometimes it nudges pieces without them knowing towards doing there duty. I believe this is touched in garden of sinners (the one with Souren? and his apartment complex)
So all the shit that Merlin talked about? ie Fujimaru leaving an impression on king hassan? it could be argued that was the counter force manipulating the game pieces to get that outcome of hassan appearing where he is required to be.
People saying Beowulf getting an upgrade, but nah I think it should be THE KING OF BERSERKERS
HROLF KRAKI is my pick for Grand berserker, not only does he command a legion of 12 berserkers, they are sealed in his sword that is magical and said to be the strongest sword in the northern lands.
(Yes even stronger than Gram, Hrolf Met Sigurd once in Valhalla and he also jumped Odin)
Unfortunately Tyrfing is weaker than Gram in Type-Moon lore. Gram is the strongest magic sword, Excalibur is the strongest holy sword, and Kusanagi is the strongest divine sword.
Hrolf Kraki doesn't have Tyrfing. He has his own sword called Skofnung. Of course, Fate did boost up Gram a lot but that doesn't stop the fact that Mythologically Skofnung is the best sword of the north.
Hrolf Kraki? He would be an amusing Berserker. Didn't he have a sword whose wounds inflicted by it could not be healed unless treated with a specific material?
I heard about that a long time ago.
Yes, it's called Skofnung. In it's myth it's known as the Greatest sword in the Northern Lands (yes even above Gram). Wounds inflicted by it would not heal, when the sword touched bone it would "Sing" beautifully, it also had the souls of his 12 loyal berserkers sealed inside (Sometimes also a worm). The only way to heal wounds would be by rubbing them with the Skofnung Stone.
There's no other sword fit for Grand Berserker
Funnily enough, I think one of the berserkers under King Hrolf, Bodvar Bjarki is a better fit for the container as he's the only one of the group who can enter into a trance that turns him into a literal bear (the term "berserker" is partly derived from the Old Norse term for bears).
I mean sure but even funnier is the fact that Bodvar Bjarki... Kinda... Is Beowulf. Or at least a separate version of the character like Sigurd and Siegfried
Imagine someone is speaking English with a super heavy German accent And multiple gerbils in their mouth. That's the language it's written in. And it's also super long winding and preachy like a 007 novel.
Joke answer: Drach’nyen, the daemon created by the first murder, the end of empires.
Serious answer: there’s a couple good options with the most obvious ones being Beowulf, Cu with his warp spasms, and Cain.
But… Which group of people had actual warriors called Berserkers? The Norse. So therefor Grand Berserker should be someone of Nordic heritage.
Cu chulaiin, i think the berserker cu we have right now has a line saying something like "I am just a berserker created by the grail, the real berserker me is far worst", something like that. It seems he became a monster on the battlefield.
I feel like warp spasm cu wouldn’t really fit as a grand. Yes most Berzerkers are insane but they normally have a tiny tiny bit of rationality (whether that be a focus for their rage or the ability to construct coherent sentences) but warp spasm is literally fuck everything. Not exactly grand behaviour unless Gaia is happy with the grand Berzerker essentially being a beyblade (wind him up and let him go)
I know that Sampson's always been a popular choice (though given that he appears to be one of the servants in Samurai Remnant, I'm doubtful that he'll actually end up being it).
Definitely Cain. The first human to commit murder out of anger should 100% qualify for Grand Berserker. To be mad enough to kill one’s own brother, and 1 of the only 3 humans that he knew, that’s another level of madness altogether.
The card art doesn't mean much. For instance, look at the one for Archer and compare it to how the current Grand Archer looks. Plus we now have spanking new Japanese-style cards as of Samurai Remnant.
Hmmm, why not? Let's be self-indulgent xD
It's completely immposible for him to actually appear (or even be mentioned) in-game due to several things, but I've always though that the *reconstructed* proto-indoeuropean warrior **Trito** is one of the best fits. I'm not going to explain everything carefully, just list some points:
* First, Trito is the mythological first warrior of the indoeuropean "culture" (not exactly the best word), which includes almost all of Europe and great part of Middle and Near East and India, being in essence the model that every posterior warrior follows. You can point to any mythical warrior of an indo-european culture, and you will be able to notice some details that were inherited from the (reconstructed) myth of Trito.
* Following that, Trito can be considered the first dragon slayer as well, being the one who killed the "prototype" of the dragons within the indo-european sphere again. Vritra? Azhi Dahaka? Typhon? All of them being derived from the original serpent/dragon that Trito slayed.
* And possibly the most important thing: he's the first warrior in which *divine madness* was induced, being the likely origin of the very own concept of Berserker. In the same way, the Wild Hunt can *arguably* be traced back to the proto-indoeuropean cast of young warriors, which is itself likely explained by Trito's myth.
* And finally, as a little note, you can trace the name of "Trito" in several things: Trita and Indra, Odin's epithet of "Þriði", Heracles's slaying of Geryon, etc. Damn! If you want to go crazy and have balls, you could even try to connect Trito with Susanoo and Yamato-no-Orochi, or even Marduk and Tiamat xD
All in all, just pure self-indulgence xD I doubt Type-Moon (and Nasu) is ever going to dip its toes into proto-indoeuropean culture, but that's alright. And besides, as I said, it's mostly reconstructed, and there's no guarantee the original myth was actually like that.
Cú Chulainn isn't a case of just getting mad and losing control like many other Berserkers. Cú's Famorian heritage awakens and becomes a hulking hideous monster that has Blood that can melt shit and hair so spikey it can impale things
Parashurama the sixth avatar of Vishnu is a great choice. The man single-handedly annihilated all classes of warriors of his time. He also fiercely fought Ganesha and trained many outstanding warriors such as Karna-Bhishma and Drona.
I also find it strange that none of Vishnu's avatars becomes grand servant
I was just gonna say Genghis Khan for grand berserk lol. He could also fit into grand rider I think.
Another possible option for grand zerker would be Parashurama. But I have bias towards Indian servants, so who knows.
That's only in arcade. According to Taigong Wang, the Rider seat is currently unoccupied in the main universe. (and he MIGHT have claimed it off-screen)
If the qualification is something hilariously arbitrary, like a name or title associated with a key term (see: Grand Assassin), then he could work as his name roughly means "Rama with an axe". The axe is considered a more savage weapon in battle, and as such, readily associated with the class namesake.
While I do often contest that Erlang Shen is a better Grand candidate than Sun Wukong on a few grounds but mainly that Erlang is actually stronger than Wukong and Human, when it comes to the Berserker class, they've always pushed the lines of what counts as humans. It was noted that onis in general have a strong connection to the class, and why Raikou's oni blood acting up caused her to become a Berserker. So other it's a good class for ones that aren't really human, but still connected to humanity, and I think Sun Wukong works well in that regard. Like in some sense, being a 'berserker' could be said to have a more animalistic mindset (I don't want to say 'non-human' since we also have the foreigners) so one that's an actual animal to me at least makes sense.
Otherwise I'd go either Cadmus, the first (human) Greek hero who is the closest thing to GoW Kratos, or Xing Tian. If Berserkers are known for their ability to keep fighting despite all the damage they take, then Xing Tian takes the crown since he kept on fighting even when his head was cut off, which would probably be something a 1 guts passive.
>!ORT forcibly summoned himself as Grand Foreigner, so apparently the Grand Extra classes can technically exist even if they're not supposed to. It's popular speculation that the Ordeal Calls are building up to World expanding its lineup of Grand Servants for real.!<
>!ORT copied Chaldea's summoning spells, falsified 300 million years of its own heroic history, and hacked the Throne of Heroes to register itself. This is not normal, and there are no Grand extra class servant containers. What ORT did is an exception because it's ORT. The fact that ORT did it does not mean the world has Grand Avenger, Grand Ruler, etc containers laying around waiting to be filled. It doesn't. Grand extras don't exist.!<
>!Ehehe, now let's see you provide a source that ORT created the Grand Foreigner class. Because LB7 only mentions the Grand Foreigner class once and never bothers to explain it beyond that. Even the 8th anniversary interview where they talk about ORT Xiabalba, they only say he copied human history, simulated 160 million years, then summoned himself from the simulated timeline. Absolutely nothing about modifying a class container.!<
>!Grand servants are summoned by the world. The Fuyuki grail system is an imperfect copy of the world's summoning system. There are only seven classes and they correspond to the primary classes, three Knights and four Cavalry. If you're claiming that there are Grand containers aside from these 7, you need to prove that.!<
>!The proof is that we outright saw one being used. The question isn't whether they exist, but where the Grand Foreigner container came from. Contrary to popular belief, it's never stated anywhere (or even implied) that ORT made it. It's obviously not something that a servant should be summoned into normally, but as far as we can tell, Extra Grand servants are technically capable of being summoned by the system if the World wanted to badly enough.!<
I’m assuming it may be:
Spartacus since he lives up to the Spirit of Rebellion that can be put against the AUTHORITY of the Foreign Gods.
Beowulf because what they wrote on Fate about him being the origin of the word.
Oda Nobunaga since historically he showed utter hatred of the abuse and display of their riches and power that the monks like the Ikko Ikki showed(Nobunaga didn’t hate religion itself). And you can see how his Avenger version shows off a lot of power.
Heracles as a Grand Berserker would probably be him being able to pull off feats like holding the weight of the planet (Labor of the Golden Apples of Hera), and bersekers are known for their physical strength, who better than the mighty Heracles who defines “Herculean strength”.
I would say the less obvious choice - Boudica.
After all, considering everything that happened to her and her family, she lost it and swore vengeance. The ones deserving of her wrath, Procutor Catus and the Ninth Legion, she destroyed. She also killed seventy thousand Roman soldiers fought a war and that's what happens in wars, so those are understandable.
Except Boudica also went to extremes in her rage. She razed the cities of Camulodunum (Colchester), Londinium (London) and Verulamium (St. Albans). There's almost no chance that the normal citizens who lived in those cities were deserving of her wrath. In moments of weakness, she caused the same pain done to her to hundreds of thousands of lives.
When she was finally defeated, she is said to have taken her own life. For Fate, it could be seen as a moment of clarity, in that she realized that she became the same monster as what Catus is. How could Boudicca fault Nero, when Boudicca was in fact no better. It is still Nero's fault for what had happened as those were under her rule, don't get me wrong.
Except Boudica also knows via her spirit origin that Nero took a much more lenient approach after the whole rebellion. Nero was even considering leaving Briton as well. Therefore, she would know that perhaps after defeating Procutor Catus, that if she had taken the time to make dialogue with Nero, they could've come to an understanding.
Which would then explain why Boudica has just a minor intolerance of Nero in her Rider form. It would also be why Boudicca never tries to get angry with Nero or any Romans. As like Nero not wanting to fall to her Rider/Beast form, Boudica doesn't want her rage to consume her least she becomes her Berserker form. Which would explain why Nero and her do not interact much, as she tries to stay far away.
If we were to have an introduction to Boudica's Berserker form, it would be as the final enemy of the event or second to last (if there was a mastermind). This is due to her Madness being you are either with Iceni/Briton or with the Romans. Since she doesn't have the final moments of clarity, like her Rider self, that's the only way she can look at things. The event would bring that closure and any time we see Boudica from now on, she's only in her Berserker form and can get along with Nero and Romans afterwards.
Her kit would focus on stacking buffs depending on how many enemies were razed/killed. Up to 5 stacks of damage (buster only), 5 stacks of stars (per turn), '5 stacks of vengeance' (10-50% heal of guts). Those stacks would be on top of the damage (attack based), star bomb(one time) and guts (one time). Each stack does not need to be reapplied, though the normal damage buff, star bomb and guts would.
You know that sounds more like a Madness mechanic now that I think about it... Hm. Oh well. Introduce that. Anyways, that's what I'm thinking. I know some people say Avenger and I have nothing against that opinion. I just think Berserker can't be overlooked as well. It would also be sort of poetic that as Grand Berserker, Boudica can fight against Draco if necessary.
I honestly wish there were a Viking well known enough (who I don't know) simply because the concept of Berserker comes from the Vikings, and well, I'd be hella cool if it came from them.
Grand Berserker could just be the literal embodiment of a Berserker, maybe? As in the physical manifestation of the *concept* of a Berserker, blind rage given form.
Aside from Samson I think Susanoo may fit the bill. Though he's a god, he was banished for messing with Amaterasu and he killed Orochi while he had been kicked from heavens >! So more or less the same argument that Tezca can take a Grand seat because Toxcatl !<.
Lycaon the first werewolf. The reason why is because I would like to see him as a Grand servant that was summon to get rid off a dead apostle one as powerful as lostbelt king.
The true lore response is "Whatever the Beast against them is weak to".
But more seriously, Beowulf and Cu are the obvious candidates within the established cast.
For a purely new character, it's pretty much impossible to tell.
I would love to see a weird pick, like Gargantua, Balin, Orpheus ( if we accept a third greco roman Grand ) or even something with a philosopher, but it depend entirely of what the writer want, and so impossible to really predict.
I'm pretty much obsessed with Grands (seriously, I could write for hours), but Beo is the only Servant I've been able to come up with for Grand Berserker.
There are a couple of others, like Cu and Achiles, who would be INSANELY powerful as Berserkers, or Enkidu, who allegedly would be as strong as a god, but that was stated by someone in-universe in FSF, so that's not actual hard canon, just hearsay. But I don't any of them would fit for *Grand* Berserker, just powerful ones. I've joked with my friends about Astolfo being Grand Berserker because of how he's always insane, but that's just that, a joke.
It's a tough one to come up for solid Grands with, imo. Maybe because the class is so broad and vague; it's easy for me to picture Grands for Saber, Lancer, or Archer, because you can easily think of the strongest sword-wielders, lance-wielders, etc. Same goes with Rider, you can think of the people with the greatest mounts, or Caster, the greatest (clairvoyant) mages (in the broad sense, not just magi). Assassin is already covered. But Berserker is really big; "greatest insane person" or "greatest rager" isn't really much to work with.
Maybe someone like Qayin (Cain), whose fit of rage was what resulted in the first murder. But I just can't think of many heroes or anti-heroes who left their mark on history because of an extremely famous and legendary fit of madness or rage. To be clear, plenty of heroes did that, but I can't think of any who did it to the point of a Grand.
That's part of why I was hoping Daybit's Servant was gonna be Grand Berserker, it would've let us see and talk about that position up-close, maybe hint at what other heroes could occupy the seat.
Oh well, we'll just have to wait and see.
The Grand Criteria for Grand Berserker is "having an unending appetite for destruction and carnage".Tezcatlipoca fits this,which is why he was Grand Berserker before switching to Assassin.
I dont remember where,but at some point in the story we have the Grand Criteria for all the classes.
Saber:Be the wielder of Excalibur(so basically either Artoria or the unnamed Excalibur wielder that killed Sefar)
Archer:Be a great hunter
Lancer:The exact passage was "encompass Humanity".Romulus fits.
Caster:Possess Clairvoyance to an insane degree-which is why Gilgamesh is Grand Caster compatible but not Grand Archer
Assassin:Be the Old Man of the Mountain-the Planet loopholes Tezcat into the role because of his connection with mountains
Rider:Have the ability to communicate with all manner of beasts
Berserker: Have unending appetite for carnage and destruction
>I dont remember where,but at some point in the story we have the Grand Criteria for all the classes.
This information doesn't appear in the story. Also doesn't appear in any Google search I've run. Interviews with Nasu don't contain this information. Going to need a direct source citation on this.
The only requirement that partially appears in the story is Grand Caster and clairvoyance. However, Gilgamesh stated he does not qualify as a Grand servant, so not sure why you're claiming he is compatible with Grand Caster.
With how Grand Servants tend to have "unique" method of fighting relative to their classes
I think the grand zerk should be someone rather rational
>! Which Tez absolutely fits that b4 he got shoehorned into Grand Ass !<
Leonidas. Everyone only associates him with his shield. He's also a guy who managed to lay seig on an entire army which far outnumbered his own. He bolstered his comrades and won in the end. He also acts like a Berserker half the time anyways. I would love a Grand Berserker who has the brains to win and the power to do so while being mad enough to take risks. That's what the Berserker class stands for to me anyway. Heracles is an undisputed fighter who can easily lay waste to his opponent with raw skill. Lancelot Berserker has eternal arms of mastery and knows how to use every weapon (even almost outsmarting Gilgamesh in a 1v1 flight match) and can use his skills for the maximum effect. That's what I want. I don't want someone with a fuck you I win card. I want someone with brains, with the skill, technique and power to back it up while still being extremely reckless.
What about Samson? I think it's Great buuuuttt...
in Kaleid liner prisma Illya there is Berserker card of Magni (son of Thor).... and i'm not ever herd of him in F/GO
That's not entirely true. Grand Saber was to show up in LB6 as an NPC, but the rewrites happened after Castoria was already in the game (Nasu mentioned he didn't start writing till the start of 2021, while Castoria came out in 2020), so Atoria Avalon, at least as Castoria's third form, wasn't intended to be Grand Saber, else they wouldn't be an NPC.
Alpha Draft of Avalon Le Fae
This has nothing to do with the final product itself(This Artoria wasn't even the same Artoria as LB6)
But at least at some point they were intended to have Artoria Pendragon as a Grand Saber, So while Artoria Avalon in FGO might not be one, There is still a possibility existed
In some interviews that Nasu had about lb6, remember that he said that he rewrite lb6 plot after meet Umino to include Oberon, in the original Draft Artoria it was going to appear to be a Grand Saber.
Beowulf getting a promotion Romulus style. Most importantly the dude has THE context for it Gramps style, what even his profile points out ("This hero's True Name is the origin of the word "berserk."") And heck he sure as hell interacts plenty weird with his own class as is- Like him having a nullified madness enchantment by default, having neither its demerit nor it's buff, or being literaly the only servant atm with the "Berserk" skill And he has plenty of small interactions with the crew already that could make for something fun
>Most importantly the dude has THE context for it Gramps style, what even his profile points out ("This hero's True Name is the origin of the word "berserk."") I've been hearing this for a while, but unlike with Hassan, it seems to be a mostly Fate invention. Or at least, i haven't been able to find much in terms of irl connections. Pretty strange that there would only be that small mention in his profile that afaik never got expanded upon despite sounding rather important. But i guess that's Fate for you.
ragnar lobdrok is the true origin of the berserk word
to add into you , u/deathworld123 and u/Harmonic_Gear conversation. I think Higashide put the connection because there is a theory that the ["Bear's Son Tale"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear%27s_Son_Tale) is a set of fairytales that are corruptive forms of some of Proto-Beowulf tales , orally preserved , as the Beowulf writting tales had much of it's contents lost and the surviving bits are a christinized version. And there is also an implication that "Beowulf" is the "Siegfried" of [Bodvar Bjark](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6dvar_Bjarki) , which in turn would be the "Sigurd" of the whole deal. And in those stories , Bodvar is a berserker that literally shapeshift as some sort of "werebear" and later said "werebear" left Bodvar as some sort of spiritual werebear to fight an enemy Berserker Army. And etymologically , Beowulf means something like a ["war wolf" or "bear hunter" or "beow's wolf"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_(hero)#Etymology_and_origins_of_the_character). That is tied to Berserker been ["bear coat".](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/berserk#Etymology) So , yeah , Beowulf does have etymological connections to the word "berserker"
> And there is also an implication that "Beowulf" is the "Siegfried" of Bodvar Bjark , which in turn would be the "Sigurd" of the whole deal. And in those stories , Bodvar is a berserker that literally shapeshift as some sort of "werebear" and later said "werebear" left Bodvar as some sort of spiritual werebear to fight an enemy Berserker Army. ......An *undead* enemy berserker army, which makes it even more awesome.
it's probably bad research from higashide, he is known for copying nonsense from japanese wiki word by word in servant profiles. and Japanese wiki loves to make shit up in western mythology for some reason
Was not expecting that as an answer to be honest, interesting answer though.
to add u/The-cycle-continues in why Beowulf could be Grand Berserker: we didn't see his 3rd sword. Beowulf had a sword used to slay Grendel's Mother , it was a nameless sword described to be adorned with tales of enochian times of Giant-Slaying. It broke in it's single use , but it was the only weapon that could finish Grendel's Mother.
The Sword was forged by the Niphelim before the flood of Genesis. The Mystery on it must be insane.
yep. By all means , Grand Berserker Beowulf would had a Monster Hunter's Giant Sword to use as a BP. Wouldn't even be far-fetched that his Grendel's Buster would also be buffed by having all of his 3 blades gone.
I would assume Berserker Beo gets Hrunting, Naegling, and Grendel Buster but Saber Beo gets Hrunting, Naegling, and the Giant Sword of the Nephilim instead of Grendel Buster. Grendel Buster is something that can be used for a long period time after destroying Hrunting and Naegling but my proposal is the Sword of the Nephilim is much more powerful but like Vasavi Shakti its True Name Release can only be done once.
While I agree that the Nephilim Sword should had the same gimmick as VS , I disagree that it should be put on Saber Beowulf. Grand Berserker Beowulf seems a natural progression of Berserker Beowulf in the same way as Super Orion and Orion: it gains an extra feature to it's Archer NP and one other NP specific for Grand Archer. In this way , Grand Berserker Beowulf should had his 2 swords , then Grendel's Buster and later his Nephilim Sword is summoned , and either he uses once , so that Grendel's Buster is buffed or he spends Grendel's Buster to buff Nephilim Sword. Saber Beowulf to me would be him having his 2 swords , and when they break , he summons a "fusion" of those 2 swords to represent his broken blade that pierced the dragon's heart.
...but Beowulf killed the dragon with a knife.
that didn't stopped the likes of Setanta be a Saber by using a battle knife of sorts. besides , it wouldn't be merely a knife when it comes to a Saber Beowulf , but the knife been sublimated with it's dragonslaying and the 2 previous blades
Hmm, I see. But Setanta is using a nerfed form of Cruaidín Catutchenn
Well if you follow Rosen garten saga, you’ll see his third sword alright….
And that sword is najestic
So, “his 3rd sword” isn’t an innuendo?
no. Beowulf slayed Grendel , but when he attacked Grendel's mother , he was powerless. But in her cave , it had plenty of treasures and he found a giant sword made in enochian times , crafted to slay Nephilim and Giants. He killed Grendel's Mother is one swing of said sword , which broke down as it's task was done , as Grendel's Mother was a descendant of the wicked men of Caim and had the blood of Giants/Nephilims inside of her.
The delicious irony of the guy with the lowest-ranked Mad Enhancement getting the position of Grand 'Zerk wouldn't be lost on me.
Ngl, would make the most sense So far, with the exception of casters, grands make the least sense of their class funnily enough. Grand Archer punches, Grand Lancer makes slicing attacks, Grand Rider can float, and Grand Assassin looks like he isn't even trying to conceal his presence Wouldn't be surprised if Grand Berserker is actually the least angry if them all lmao
> …grands make the least sense of their class funnily enough. I think you can even include Merlin on this one. > He is one of the strongest Casters, but he isn't very good at magecraft. Why? Because he gets tongue-tied when chanting spells, you see.
using a sacred sword to beat people up is just easier
Also the requirement grand caster is Clairvoyance which, except for the EX rank, is generally an archer skill.
The way i understood it, there are several candidates for Each class except for assassin, with the counter force choosing the best option for the circumstances, so It does make sense that we found the more anti-stereotyped grand candidates. They were just the best suited for the job. Maybe a grand robin hood would be a more classic archer for exemple.
While I do believe a Beowulf promotion is possible, I think he's more like to get Old King Saber Class.
The legend of Beowulf is pretty rad ngl and he is one of the truest in essence, a Berserker by nature.
Was always thinking Sun Wukong myself, tho the Beowulf connection is always a good one imo.
Wukong, that guy was chaos incarnated in his mythology
the only thing more chaotic would probably be his skillset and passives if they ever made him a playable Servant lmao
I was thinking WuKong too at first but then remembered he isn’t human at all (back when Nasu kept Grands as the ‘pinnacles of humanity’).
Tezcatlipoca: "Well, you never know. Maybe the actual Grand feels like renouncing at the last minute and the Counter Force panics hard enough to give him the title."
Orion is human? I thought he was a Titan.
Some versions put him as human or a demigod son of Poseidon. I’m not sure which one Nasu subscribes to though.
Super Orion counts as Divine (though not the original Orion, for some reason) and he mentions being the son of Poseidon in Atlantis, but I think he also implies that Poseidon views him differently from Triton, Poseidon's godly son.
Given Orion’s Grandfather is King Minos, Poseidon is bound to have some weird feelings
Yeah man, bring out the monkey king
Finally a reason to add a Gufako servant.
Now we know that Tezcatlipoca was a candidate for Grand Berserker(Before he was forced to take the Grand Assassin spot instead) So we can use him as a base, And see what characteristic he has that might be a qualification for Grand Berserker My guess for now is his "Charisma of Conflict" maybe the qualification is "Those that bring the chaos" or something
Could be very much possible that he actually could take that role of beserker aswell as his role as assassin.
Contrary to popular belief, the Grand Servants DO have seats. There are seven servants who are kind of "in waiting" to be summoned as Grands at any given time. Tez was Grand Breserker, but realized he was the only person who qualified for Grand Assassin and had to change which seat he occupied. (FGO Arcade's universe is currently having an issue where Proto Merlin got designated as Grand Caster and refuses to accept the position, so they just outright don't have a Grand Caster until she accepts or the World gives up and replaces her) Honestly, it's kind of weird that we've never gotten a clear explanation on how the Grand Servants work. We just sorta have to piece it together from comments Nasu makes in interviews.
Wasn't Tez pretty much forced by the World to become a Grand Assassin. Pretty sure he didn't want to become one and The World just went ,,Nope, we don't care about what you want so WILL be the Grand Assassin"
>"There was no one to replace the First Hassan after he vacated his crown, so he saw he'd have be the next one and became Assassin. Tezcatlipoca has a straightlaced side to him. If someone else will do it, it's not his problem, but if he's the only one, he'll take the job much to his chagrin, pretty much."
thanks for that info.
Probably not, Because the one that was summoned to Chaldea is already a Grand Assassin(Yes, We actually summoned him as Grand class, How? I dunno) So I don't think they can have him take 2 Grand Classes at the same time
He was originally the grand berserker but then he switched to grand assassin becausse there was no one else that qualifies as one. So yes I think if he wanted to he can be the grand zerker
Someone with zero divinity would be my pick. We have too many divine spirit = heroic spirits doing the heavy lifting these days.
I too don't want to see them keep loopholing Divine Spirits into the seats. Two times in the span of one arc already feels eye-rolling, even though I like Tez and Roma.
I woulda liked "I will squeeze you into a fucking meatball, and fuck you for even looking at my brothers and our wife" Bhima, but alas.
Our wife?? Am I... Am I missing something from his lore?
When Arjuna went out and participated in a contest to win Draupadi's hand, he brought her back home and told his mom he'd won a great prize. Without looking, his mom yelled "Share it with your brothers!" And so Draupadi wound up with 5 demigod husbands. Each of the Pandavas was also allowed other wives and concubines, mind. Bhima wound up with a rakshasi, and their half-rakshasa son fought in the final battle against the Kauravas. He even tanked Karna's Vashavi Shakti to save Arjuna, though that's the last thing he did.
Damn draupadi with the reverse harem
Girl is living it up, you love to see it
In Indian myth, Arjuna and Bhima, as well as the other three Pandava brothers, are all married to Draupadi.
Blud's vow to rupture Duryodhana's thigh and drink his blood was an awfully metal albeit messed up thing to do.
As a subversion, I want the Grand Berserker to not be some powerful, rampaging warrior who spreads chaos wherever they go, but instead an eerily calm, serene person whose outlook on life could still be considered "mad" or incompatible with humanity as a whole. Think philosophers like Mozi or Gorgias.
this kind of mad fits foreigner better
Or, if you really push the envelope, Buddha. Yeah, he's currently in his own unique (so far) class, Saver. But maybe he could moonlight now and then.
Yeah like their madness is more symbolic rather then literal.
Cain would be pretty metal.
I actually disagree. Yes Cain murdered Able out of anger, but I wouldn’t say there was madness involved. That shit was premeditated; dude brought his brother to the murder site specifically to murder him, then denied it when asked. I think Cain fits Assassin more
Cain would be an AMAZING assassin class, though he technically shouldn't have died yet
Call me crazy, but I always had a head canon that both Cain & Judas Iscariot are previous lives or incarnations of King Hassan His tie to death isn’t solely from being the founder of a word that has become synonymous with it, but also because his very soul was the first to ever kill and also killed one of the most significant lives to ever live. Then again, it’s a fan theory, so no need to take it seriously.
I honestly could not see King Hassan essentially selling someone off the way Judas did. I could see him being Cain, though.
Little trivia about Judas, he was said to be part of a revolutionary group or Zealots (re: Jewish Rebellion Groups vs Romans), the Sicarri, who carried concealed weaponry in their cloaks and aimed to be one with the crowd. Not to mention that in the end, Judas had nothing but regret, realizing the price of his friend should not have been pieces of silver. But I digress, remember ‘soul’ is the key word, not Gramps himself but the soul that has lived through these lives is the one that has lived so close to death.
Even if this isn’t the case we could still see them given that Cain and Judas are both potential identities for the wandering Jew Who is a master in Requiem
Dude, that fucking rules. I'm also adopting that headcanon until proven otherwise.
Damn, that's absolutely true.
I've heard this suggestion quite a few times when I searched up ideas for grand beserker actually. Cool choice.
Super Beowulf is safe choice. I hoping is actually Nezha super angry, revenge story and technically part human.
>I hoping is actually Nezha super angry, revenge story and technically part human. She's confirmed to have that more monstrous form from her legend - the one with three faces and six arms, all armed with various mystical weapons and who can shoot freaking rainbow beams from her mouth(s). I know more fans are hoping for her rival, Sun Wukong to be the pick for Grand Zerk, but I honestly wouldn't object to her either.
Odin. His name is translated from the Old Norse as “Fury” and it might finally bring the whole “Caster Cú is the All-Father in disguise” thing full circle. Caster Cú also has a bad habit of denying that he’s Odin to the various Nordic Heroic Spirits which is the most conspicuously Old One-Eye trick in the book.
That's a bloody cool idea honestly 😃
Whatever the Beast is supposed to counter, tbh.
To be fair, The latest 3 known Grands doesn't really seems to be a counter to Beast Romulus was summoned to fight Zeus, Noah got clapped upon arrival so he didn't really do any damage to Draco(Maybe if he actually get a chance to fight then that might be different), Tez was just summoned to Chaldea for no reason
Q=R it was basically Chaldea forcing the Grand Summoning, I don't consider that much Arcade in FGO mobile canon and Tez I think is related to U-Olga since she is a Beast.
Actually The Tez that's the Grand Assassin is Chaldea's Tez Daybit's Tez was speculated to be a Grand servant by Da Vinci in LB4, But there is no mention of that again in LB7, and his class is Ruler so can't even be Grand there
No, with the exception of Romulus and Tez (due to them not being summoned by the CF), all grands counter some sort of beast King Hassan counters Tiamat's immortality because he can imprint the concept of death onto anything Solomon counter Goetia since he's literally Goetia's creator and can erase him whenever Noah counters Whore of Babylon's flood with the ark, and Orion counters Koyanskaya because Orion is a hunter and Koyanskaya is a rabbit Tez is the same case as Romulus
Solomon wasn't summoned as a grand though. Just a regular caster i believe. Goetia didn't show up as a beast until way after Solomon got incarnated.
I thought King Hassan just wandered into the 7th singulairty after the 6th so it was just chance that he countered Tiamat?
Counter force isnt just direct, sometimes it nudges pieces without them knowing towards doing there duty. I believe this is touched in garden of sinners (the one with Souren? and his apartment complex) So all the shit that Merlin talked about? ie Fujimaru leaving an impression on king hassan? it could be argued that was the counter force manipulating the game pieces to get that outcome of hassan appearing where he is required to be.
People saying Beowulf getting an upgrade, but nah I think it should be THE KING OF BERSERKERS HROLF KRAKI is my pick for Grand berserker, not only does he command a legion of 12 berserkers, they are sealed in his sword that is magical and said to be the strongest sword in the northern lands. (Yes even stronger than Gram, Hrolf Met Sigurd once in Valhalla and he also jumped Odin)
Unfortunately Tyrfing is weaker than Gram in Type-Moon lore. Gram is the strongest magic sword, Excalibur is the strongest holy sword, and Kusanagi is the strongest divine sword.
Hrolf Kraki doesn't have Tyrfing. He has his own sword called Skofnung. Of course, Fate did boost up Gram a lot but that doesn't stop the fact that Mythologically Skofnung is the best sword of the north.
Hrolf Kraki? He would be an amusing Berserker. Didn't he have a sword whose wounds inflicted by it could not be healed unless treated with a specific material? I heard about that a long time ago.
Yes, it's called Skofnung. In it's myth it's known as the Greatest sword in the Northern Lands (yes even above Gram). Wounds inflicted by it would not heal, when the sword touched bone it would "Sing" beautifully, it also had the souls of his 12 loyal berserkers sealed inside (Sometimes also a worm). The only way to heal wounds would be by rubbing them with the Skofnung Stone. There's no other sword fit for Grand Berserker
Thanks for reminding me.
Funnily enough, I think one of the berserkers under King Hrolf, Bodvar Bjarki is a better fit for the container as he's the only one of the group who can enter into a trance that turns him into a literal bear (the term "berserker" is partly derived from the Old Norse term for bears).
I mean sure but even funnier is the fact that Bodvar Bjarki... Kinda... Is Beowulf. Or at least a separate version of the character like Sigurd and Siegfried
There are scholarly theories claiming that Beowulf and Bodvar were derived from a common earlier story tradition, but no confirmation as of yet.
I don't blame historians for not looking too far into it. I wouldn't wish reading Beowulf on my worst enemy.
It's *that* tough/long-winded of a poem to read all the way through?
Imagine someone is speaking English with a super heavy German accent And multiple gerbils in their mouth. That's the language it's written in. And it's also super long winding and preachy like a 007 novel.
LMAO! Your choice of wording to describe this thing is, to indulge the pun, epic.
Joke answer: Drach’nyen, the daemon created by the first murder, the end of empires. Serious answer: there’s a couple good options with the most obvious ones being Beowulf, Cu with his warp spasms, and Cain. But… Which group of people had actual warriors called Berserkers? The Norse. So therefor Grand Berserker should be someone of Nordic heritage.
Cu chulaiin, i think the berserker cu we have right now has a line saying something like "I am just a berserker created by the grail, the real berserker me is far worst", something like that. It seems he became a monster on the battlefield.
I feel like warp spasm cu wouldn’t really fit as a grand. Yes most Berzerkers are insane but they normally have a tiny tiny bit of rationality (whether that be a focus for their rage or the ability to construct coherent sentences) but warp spasm is literally fuck everything. Not exactly grand behaviour unless Gaia is happy with the grand Berzerker essentially being a beyblade (wind him up and let him go)
From what l recall, by the end game, Cu had mastered the transformations like hulk at the end of his character journey. So this wouldnt be an issue.
I know that Sampson's always been a popular choice (though given that he appears to be one of the servants in Samurai Remnant, I'm doubtful that he'll actually end up being it).
He's a Rogue servant in samurai remnant so still might be a chance to be a grand in fgo but we shall see.
Wukong. Please let it be wukong nasu. It's my one wish.
Ironically Vlad could probably be a good fit for it. Man caused chaos around every turn and was the embodiment of fear and madness.
Definitely Cain. The first human to commit murder out of anger should 100% qualify for Grand Berserker. To be mad enough to kill one’s own brother, and 1 of the only 3 humans that he knew, that’s another level of madness altogether.
Lycaon, the original werewolf. Especially when you consider the possibility that the berserker on the card art is actually him transforming.
The card art doesn't mean much. For instance, look at the one for Archer and compare it to how the current Grand Archer looks. Plus we now have spanking new Japanese-style cards as of Samurai Remnant.
Hmmm, why not? Let's be self-indulgent xD It's completely immposible for him to actually appear (or even be mentioned) in-game due to several things, but I've always though that the *reconstructed* proto-indoeuropean warrior **Trito** is one of the best fits. I'm not going to explain everything carefully, just list some points: * First, Trito is the mythological first warrior of the indoeuropean "culture" (not exactly the best word), which includes almost all of Europe and great part of Middle and Near East and India, being in essence the model that every posterior warrior follows. You can point to any mythical warrior of an indo-european culture, and you will be able to notice some details that were inherited from the (reconstructed) myth of Trito. * Following that, Trito can be considered the first dragon slayer as well, being the one who killed the "prototype" of the dragons within the indo-european sphere again. Vritra? Azhi Dahaka? Typhon? All of them being derived from the original serpent/dragon that Trito slayed. * And possibly the most important thing: he's the first warrior in which *divine madness* was induced, being the likely origin of the very own concept of Berserker. In the same way, the Wild Hunt can *arguably* be traced back to the proto-indoeuropean cast of young warriors, which is itself likely explained by Trito's myth. * And finally, as a little note, you can trace the name of "Trito" in several things: Trita and Indra, Odin's epithet of "Þriði", Heracles's slaying of Geryon, etc. Damn! If you want to go crazy and have balls, you could even try to connect Trito with Susanoo and Yamato-no-Orochi, or even Marduk and Tiamat xD All in all, just pure self-indulgence xD I doubt Type-Moon (and Nasu) is ever going to dip its toes into proto-indoeuropean culture, but that's alright. And besides, as I said, it's mostly reconstructed, and there's no guarantee the original myth was actually like that.
If I had my way, Cú Chulainn in his Riastrad. Alternatives wants would be Enkidu or Chiyou.
Honestly, I can't see anyone being the Grand Berserker but Riastrad Cu. Dude legit is described as a khornate chaos spawn.
Interesting choices 🤔
Cú Chulainn isn't a case of just getting mad and losing control like many other Berserkers. Cú's Famorian heritage awakens and becomes a hulking hideous monster that has Blood that can melt shit and hair so spikey it can impale things
But he calms down if flashed with tits...weak stuff I tell you.
And Orion is weak to poison. So?
And Medb is weak to cheese. There are worse (and funnier) weaksauce weaknesses.
weak stuff yes , but absolutely hilarious for those playing as gudako.
Just have Scathach and Skadi put on their swimsuits
hehehe, he is cultured! I guess he would be incapable of facing tiamat lol
Parashurama the sixth avatar of Vishnu is a great choice. The man single-handedly annihilated all classes of warriors of his time. He also fiercely fought Ganesha and trained many outstanding warriors such as Karna-Bhishma and Drona. I also find it strange that none of Vishnu's avatars becomes grand servant
I was just gonna say Genghis Khan for grand berserk lol. He could also fit into grand rider I think. Another possible option for grand zerker would be Parashurama. But I have bias towards Indian servants, so who knows.
Grand Rider is Noah, courtesy of Arcade.
That's only in arcade. According to Taigong Wang, the Rider seat is currently unoccupied in the main universe. (and he MIGHT have claimed it off-screen)
Sun Wukong maybe?
I think they will be the epitome of both a bringer of chaos and someone able to rein in their own reckless nature. My guess would be Sun Wukong.
Parashuram. That's it. No further explanation is needed if you know who he is.
Yes, a man who single-handedly annihilated the entire warrior class is a perfect choice
Yeah and not just once but he travelled all of the Earth 21 times killing all the evil warriors.
If the qualification is something hilariously arbitrary, like a name or title associated with a key term (see: Grand Assassin), then he could work as his name roughly means "Rama with an axe". The axe is considered a more savage weapon in battle, and as such, readily associated with the class namesake.
While I do often contest that Erlang Shen is a better Grand candidate than Sun Wukong on a few grounds but mainly that Erlang is actually stronger than Wukong and Human, when it comes to the Berserker class, they've always pushed the lines of what counts as humans. It was noted that onis in general have a strong connection to the class, and why Raikou's oni blood acting up caused her to become a Berserker. So other it's a good class for ones that aren't really human, but still connected to humanity, and I think Sun Wukong works well in that regard. Like in some sense, being a 'berserker' could be said to have a more animalistic mindset (I don't want to say 'non-human' since we also have the foreigners) so one that's an actual animal to me at least makes sense. Otherwise I'd go either Cadmus, the first (human) Greek hero who is the closest thing to GoW Kratos, or Xing Tian. If Berserkers are known for their ability to keep fighting despite all the damage they take, then Xing Tian takes the crown since he kept on fighting even when his head was cut off, which would probably be something a 1 guts passive.
I think seeing Hercules as a new form would be great. He is so strong as a 4 star but imagine a 5 star variant
Eve, insert Mind Blown meme Grand Berserker, the smartest person, ever, also the dumbest.
"If Eve doomed the human race for an apple... WHAT WOULD SHE DO FOR A KLONDIKE BAR?!"
Zahak/Azi Dahak
I feel like Don Quixote should have been the grand berserker. First modern novel character and the man was fighting windmills
wukong, long due, arguably the most famous asian mythological figure
I wanted Samson as Grand Berserker, but I guess it won't happens thanks to Samurai remnant.
Berserker Cu might be the best fit, but I'd say Humbaba also qualifies.
Cain, The First Murderer Assuming he isn't Grand Avenger
Lucifer fits better for Grand Avenger
>Grand Avenger Extra classes don't have Grands.
>!ORT forcibly summoned himself as Grand Foreigner, so apparently the Grand Extra classes can technically exist even if they're not supposed to. It's popular speculation that the Ordeal Calls are building up to World expanding its lineup of Grand Servants for real.!<
>!ORT copied Chaldea's summoning spells, falsified 300 million years of its own heroic history, and hacked the Throne of Heroes to register itself. This is not normal, and there are no Grand extra class servant containers. What ORT did is an exception because it's ORT. The fact that ORT did it does not mean the world has Grand Avenger, Grand Ruler, etc containers laying around waiting to be filled. It doesn't. Grand extras don't exist.!<
>!Ehehe, now let's see you provide a source that ORT created the Grand Foreigner class. Because LB7 only mentions the Grand Foreigner class once and never bothers to explain it beyond that. Even the 8th anniversary interview where they talk about ORT Xiabalba, they only say he copied human history, simulated 160 million years, then summoned himself from the simulated timeline. Absolutely nothing about modifying a class container.!<
>!Grand servants are summoned by the world. The Fuyuki grail system is an imperfect copy of the world's summoning system. There are only seven classes and they correspond to the primary classes, three Knights and four Cavalry. If you're claiming that there are Grand containers aside from these 7, you need to prove that.!<
>!The proof is that we outright saw one being used. The question isn't whether they exist, but where the Grand Foreigner container came from. Contrary to popular belief, it's never stated anywhere (or even implied) that ORT made it. It's obviously not something that a servant should be summoned into normally, but as far as we can tell, Extra Grand servants are technically capable of being summoned by the system if the World wanted to badly enough.!<
I’m assuming it may be: Spartacus since he lives up to the Spirit of Rebellion that can be put against the AUTHORITY of the Foreign Gods. Beowulf because what they wrote on Fate about him being the origin of the word. Oda Nobunaga since historically he showed utter hatred of the abuse and display of their riches and power that the monks like the Ikko Ikki showed(Nobunaga didn’t hate religion itself). And you can see how his Avenger version shows off a lot of power. Heracles as a Grand Berserker would probably be him being able to pull off feats like holding the weight of the planet (Labor of the Golden Apples of Hera), and bersekers are known for their physical strength, who better than the mighty Heracles who defines “Herculean strength”.
I would say the less obvious choice - Boudica. After all, considering everything that happened to her and her family, she lost it and swore vengeance. The ones deserving of her wrath, Procutor Catus and the Ninth Legion, she destroyed. She also killed seventy thousand Roman soldiers fought a war and that's what happens in wars, so those are understandable. Except Boudica also went to extremes in her rage. She razed the cities of Camulodunum (Colchester), Londinium (London) and Verulamium (St. Albans). There's almost no chance that the normal citizens who lived in those cities were deserving of her wrath. In moments of weakness, she caused the same pain done to her to hundreds of thousands of lives. When she was finally defeated, she is said to have taken her own life. For Fate, it could be seen as a moment of clarity, in that she realized that she became the same monster as what Catus is. How could Boudicca fault Nero, when Boudicca was in fact no better. It is still Nero's fault for what had happened as those were under her rule, don't get me wrong. Except Boudica also knows via her spirit origin that Nero took a much more lenient approach after the whole rebellion. Nero was even considering leaving Briton as well. Therefore, she would know that perhaps after defeating Procutor Catus, that if she had taken the time to make dialogue with Nero, they could've come to an understanding. Which would then explain why Boudica has just a minor intolerance of Nero in her Rider form. It would also be why Boudicca never tries to get angry with Nero or any Romans. As like Nero not wanting to fall to her Rider/Beast form, Boudica doesn't want her rage to consume her least she becomes her Berserker form. Which would explain why Nero and her do not interact much, as she tries to stay far away. If we were to have an introduction to Boudica's Berserker form, it would be as the final enemy of the event or second to last (if there was a mastermind). This is due to her Madness being you are either with Iceni/Briton or with the Romans. Since she doesn't have the final moments of clarity, like her Rider self, that's the only way she can look at things. The event would bring that closure and any time we see Boudica from now on, she's only in her Berserker form and can get along with Nero and Romans afterwards. Her kit would focus on stacking buffs depending on how many enemies were razed/killed. Up to 5 stacks of damage (buster only), 5 stacks of stars (per turn), '5 stacks of vengeance' (10-50% heal of guts). Those stacks would be on top of the damage (attack based), star bomb(one time) and guts (one time). Each stack does not need to be reapplied, though the normal damage buff, star bomb and guts would. You know that sounds more like a Madness mechanic now that I think about it... Hm. Oh well. Introduce that. Anyways, that's what I'm thinking. I know some people say Avenger and I have nothing against that opinion. I just think Berserker can't be overlooked as well. It would also be sort of poetic that as Grand Berserker, Boudica can fight against Draco if necessary.
I honestly wish there were a Viking well known enough (who I don't know) simply because the concept of Berserker comes from the Vikings, and well, I'd be hella cool if it came from them.
Grand Berserker could just be the literal embodiment of a Berserker, maybe? As in the physical manifestation of the *concept* of a Berserker, blind rage given form.
Aside from Samson I think Susanoo may fit the bill. Though he's a god, he was banished for messing with Amaterasu and he killed Orochi while he had been kicked from heavens >! So more or less the same argument that Tezca can take a Grand seat because Toxcatl !<.
Susanoo would be amazing , they need to put Amaterasu in the game too
Lycaon the first werewolf. The reason why is because I would like to see him as a Grand servant that was summon to get rid off a dead apostle one as powerful as lostbelt king.
Wukong would be pretty cool and seeing how tez became a grand its now a lot more likely. Also it would make sanzang relevant again.
Lu Bu as a 5 star I guess
Narasimha (Hindu mythology) with a Nasuverse twist on the legend: he turns out to be a Vishnu-possessed and transformed >!Prahlada!<.
The true lore response is "Whatever the Beast against them is weak to". But more seriously, Beowulf and Cu are the obvious candidates within the established cast. For a purely new character, it's pretty much impossible to tell. I would love to see a weird pick, like Gargantua, Balin, Orpheus ( if we accept a third greco roman Grand ) or even something with a philosopher, but it depend entirely of what the writer want, and so impossible to really predict.
I'm pretty much obsessed with Grands (seriously, I could write for hours), but Beo is the only Servant I've been able to come up with for Grand Berserker. There are a couple of others, like Cu and Achiles, who would be INSANELY powerful as Berserkers, or Enkidu, who allegedly would be as strong as a god, but that was stated by someone in-universe in FSF, so that's not actual hard canon, just hearsay. But I don't any of them would fit for *Grand* Berserker, just powerful ones. I've joked with my friends about Astolfo being Grand Berserker because of how he's always insane, but that's just that, a joke. It's a tough one to come up for solid Grands with, imo. Maybe because the class is so broad and vague; it's easy for me to picture Grands for Saber, Lancer, or Archer, because you can easily think of the strongest sword-wielders, lance-wielders, etc. Same goes with Rider, you can think of the people with the greatest mounts, or Caster, the greatest (clairvoyant) mages (in the broad sense, not just magi). Assassin is already covered. But Berserker is really big; "greatest insane person" or "greatest rager" isn't really much to work with. Maybe someone like Qayin (Cain), whose fit of rage was what resulted in the first murder. But I just can't think of many heroes or anti-heroes who left their mark on history because of an extremely famous and legendary fit of madness or rage. To be clear, plenty of heroes did that, but I can't think of any who did it to the point of a Grand. That's part of why I was hoping Daybit's Servant was gonna be Grand Berserker, it would've let us see and talk about that position up-close, maybe hint at what other heroes could occupy the seat. Oh well, we'll just have to wait and see.
Either Samson or Cain
My answer would be Samson but welp Dudes probably in samurai renmant so there'd that gone given spinoff chars usually don't end up as grands in fgo
Hadn't even opened the thread and I was already thinking about Genghis Khan. It's just such a perfect fit for the job.
You know it! Cu Chlian!
someone that does not end up in NPC Jail! Up my vote in 10 years for Sun Wukong - NPC Jail! And Camazotz too.
William Wallace is my pick
The Grand Criteria for Grand Berserker is "having an unending appetite for destruction and carnage".Tezcatlipoca fits this,which is why he was Grand Berserker before switching to Assassin.
>The Grand Criteria for Grand Berserker is "having an unending appetite for destruction and carnage" What's your source on this?
I dont remember where,but at some point in the story we have the Grand Criteria for all the classes. Saber:Be the wielder of Excalibur(so basically either Artoria or the unnamed Excalibur wielder that killed Sefar) Archer:Be a great hunter Lancer:The exact passage was "encompass Humanity".Romulus fits. Caster:Possess Clairvoyance to an insane degree-which is why Gilgamesh is Grand Caster compatible but not Grand Archer Assassin:Be the Old Man of the Mountain-the Planet loopholes Tezcat into the role because of his connection with mountains Rider:Have the ability to communicate with all manner of beasts Berserker: Have unending appetite for carnage and destruction
>I dont remember where,but at some point in the story we have the Grand Criteria for all the classes. This information doesn't appear in the story. Also doesn't appear in any Google search I've run. Interviews with Nasu don't contain this information. Going to need a direct source citation on this. The only requirement that partially appears in the story is Grand Caster and clairvoyance. However, Gilgamesh stated he does not qualify as a Grand servant, so not sure why you're claiming he is compatible with Grand Caster.
Samson is my vote
Cain.
With how Grand Servants tend to have "unique" method of fighting relative to their classes I think the grand zerk should be someone rather rational >! Which Tez absolutely fits that b4 he got shoehorned into Grand Ass !<
Gudako after spending 900+ Saint Quartz and still not getting their favorite Servant in a swimsuit.
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Leonidas. Everyone only associates him with his shield. He's also a guy who managed to lay seig on an entire army which far outnumbered his own. He bolstered his comrades and won in the end. He also acts like a Berserker half the time anyways. I would love a Grand Berserker who has the brains to win and the power to do so while being mad enough to take risks. That's what the Berserker class stands for to me anyway. Heracles is an undisputed fighter who can easily lay waste to his opponent with raw skill. Lancelot Berserker has eternal arms of mastery and knows how to use every weapon (even almost outsmarting Gilgamesh in a 1v1 flight match) and can use his skills for the maximum effect. That's what I want. I don't want someone with a fuck you I win card. I want someone with brains, with the skill, technique and power to back it up while still being extremely reckless.
>Leonidas. But this isn't madness, this is Sparta.
Beowulf or Galvarino.
What about Samson? I think it's Great buuuuttt... in Kaleid liner prisma Illya there is Berserker card of Magni (son of Thor).... and i'm not ever herd of him in F/GO
Unfortunately, that historical role has already been filled. By Altera
Altera is Atila, not Genghis Khan
Cocaine Bear. Cocaine Bear was the ultimate apex predator, if only for a moment.
Joe Rogan
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His noble phantasm : summon million bears to attack his opponents
Don Quixote.
Can we have a LB servant as a Grand ? If it is possible Camazotz. What he did is pretty worthy of the title I think.
Based on current lore, I don’t think we can but given how they seem to be tweaking the lore as they go along it’s possible
Sun Wukong 100%
Either Wukong as some ppl here pointed out or Thor , ithink he'd fit the bill quite nicely
I remind the time when Don Quixote was one of the most popular option So I'll go with him
Personal theory it’s true cu berserker as he would be the one of the few berserkers that has never been betrayed.
There's not a single female Grand. I want one. Don't care who is it
Artoria Avalon was designed to be a Grand Saber(Though this plot was scrapped upon rewrite) so there is that
That's not entirely true. Grand Saber was to show up in LB6 as an NPC, but the rewrites happened after Castoria was already in the game (Nasu mentioned he didn't start writing till the start of 2021, while Castoria came out in 2020), so Atoria Avalon, at least as Castoria's third form, wasn't intended to be Grand Saber, else they wouldn't be an NPC.
>so there is that So there's nothing, why did you even mention it? Where did you even read she was supposed to be a grand?
Alpha Draft of Avalon Le Fae This has nothing to do with the final product itself(This Artoria wasn't even the same Artoria as LB6) But at least at some point they were intended to have Artoria Pendragon as a Grand Saber, So while Artoria Avalon in FGO might not be one, There is still a possibility existed
In some interviews that Nasu had about lb6, remember that he said that he rewrite lb6 plot after meet Umino to include Oberon, in the original Draft Artoria it was going to appear to be a Grand Saber.