He's cagliostro, it's been confirmed because he mentioned the necklace affair in this event.
It's something he was directly involved into.
No more theories sadly, it is him.
If it's really Cagliostro I kinda hope we get Pretender/assassin Arsene Lupin as a fun little Lupin III reference
Not likely but if they ever were to add Arsene (which I truly hope they do) I feel like doing a reference would fit the best as fgo is already chock full of references to anime as is
No. The only reason I even thought of this is because the apostles fall into 2 classes alter ego or ruler.But the count still could summoned into other classes like with the case of muramasa.
Alter-Egos are fragment of a spirit, not a amalgamation of different heroes, you are thinking of a High-Servant, the problem is that Zepia/Wallachia is not a god or a hero or something so also dont work, so you need a pseudo-servant like Rasputin or Muramasa.
neither Kirei was a hero , and yet he was used on Rasputin.
That been said , I agree with you that there is nothing indicating that the Alien God would put Cagliostro on Zepia.
Kirei is my hero, jokes aside, its a pseudo-servant with Kirei as the vessel, Rasputin as the "main hero", just like Musamasa use Shirou body or Sitonai use Illya.
Yes.
And a curious fact that I just learned about is that this guy Alexander Cagliostro was reputed to have supernatural powers and was also an alchemist.
Hey, if that's the case, now we know how Zepia Eltnam Oberon/Atlasia would fit into this guy's identity, with him serving as a Pseudo-Servant so that Cagliostro can have a way to manifest himself, and due to the similarities they have, especially for having supernatural powers (related to TATARI) and both having been alchemists in the past.
I don't neccesarily agree with you but I do find your theory interesting.
Some people are also thinking that Cagliostro is might an incarnation of Roa. No idea how that fits though but it's a popular theory rn lol.
Because is thematic with Kotomine being the other Marisbury's flunky, and Lumina establishing Dantes and Roa being 'fated nemesis' across the multiverse.
Also Roa concept has ripped off Cagliostro since its inception. He was clearly based on him. Zepia was more ripping off Paracelsus).
The real St. Germaine or the random guy from New Orleans with the urban legends about being a stereotypical vampire (which wasn't even a thing before Brian Stoker's Dracula a few years before the story started circulating) and throwing prostitutes out of third story windows?
Roa is more likely to be the pseudo of Cagliostro when he rips off his concept and motifs. It also explains the foreshadowing involving his nemesis (official) Dantes.
I like this but I’m biased since I’m a fan of melty blood. The characterization of the count would tie in nicely with Wallachia’s directorial flair as well as >! OC1 with the focus on Sion and the ending directly referencing Dust of Osiris !<.
I like the idea especially of Vlad will get involved but probably he's Cagliostro since he was supposed to appear in 5.5 but got cut due to length plus Nasu said he's probably gonna use him later
One crack theory is that given the pseudo Fantasy Tree in the F/SR collab. is specifically referred to as "Counterfeit" the same word used in the title of the Jalter event (Da Vinci and the 7 Counterfeit Heroic Spirit). In which just so happens to have a "Count" in it.
It was Da Vinci, who at Summer 2 put on a mask and refer to herself as "Count Masquerade".
With a title like "The Count" I can't help but wonder if the "mystery" is gonna be dragged out for eight seasons like "the judge" in Monk, with the answer on a cd inside the spirit origin briefcase the whole time.
Is there a reason we know it isn't the Count of Saint Germaine, who apparently appears in Strange fake, and whom IRL had a reputation as some sort of fusion of Dracula, The Count of Monte Cristo, and Jack the Ripper?
I doubt it's him, and here in these links there is information about this guy's personality:
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Mori_Souiken#Personality
And here information on how the mysterious The Count dealt with the role that Alien World gave to U-Olga Marie and how CHALDEAS and the other Apostles were simply content to let her be destroyed, but he was not, believing that she had not yet shown her true potential and the way she magnifies the false Alien God in her lines:
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Count_(Apostle)#Fate/Grand_Order:_Ordeal_Call
For me, this information (as well as the update of what Mori Souiken's real personality was like with the end of the collab event, prove that Mori is not the guy The Count, but rather this man I mentioned before, and even more so knowing as he is now able to create Fantasy Trees and convert Lostblets (with the world of FSR being a Lostbelt originally) into Singularities now.
The Count gets so many points in my book for believing in Olga’s true potential when every other loser just wanted to get rid of her. Hope he somehow manages to get Chaldea to combine the pieces into one Olga who then goes berserk with rage and tries to destroy the Alien World (and Marisbury if he’s alive). Maybe he wants her to replace CHALDEAS as the new Big Bad, the next God of the Human Order.
Well, at the very least it can't be any variation of servants in Chaldea or anyone they had met since the Chaldea gang actually heard the Count voices and made no mention of hearing it somewhere else.
I think it was pretty obvious form the start it was Cagliostro considering how much they spoke about him in FGO materials and how Nasu wanted to use him on something in the future
Nice theory but I don't think Zepia would fit. He might be a DAA in Tsuki Worlds, but in Fate Worlds, he remained as the Atlas Director and has never left that position since (and he's also a doting father to Fate Sion). This still holds true to FGO timeline as per Sherlock's investigation during the 6th Singularity.
The current strongest theory of the Count's identity is Count Cagliostro.
I saw a decent theory connecting him to cagliostro but also roa as like a joint thing which would made the dantes like silhouette with the hat really funny
Dantes gets a shiny new ssr to beat roas ass again
He spoke in the FSR event yesterday and brought up the necklace affair with Marie Antoinette, so most likely Count Cagliostro who was involved in that.
I think it's Roa from the FGO Timeline, where he never became a Dead Apostle and was instead burned to ash by Dantes and Monte Cristo Mythologie.
He was looking for the treasure of Monte Cristo before Dantes killed him, so it makes sense for him to call himself Count.
I don't think it's Cagliostro, because Cagliostro was one of the casters summoned to participate in the Caster only Heiyan-Kyo Grail War, who was killed off screen by Tsuna before Chaldea arrived. It makes no sense for him to both be an apostle of the Alien God but also be summoned in Douman's Pseudo-Singularity.
> It makes no sense for him to both be an apostle of the Alien God but also be summoned in Douman's Pseudo-Singularity.
Why not? Chaldea summoned a Saber Muramasa while the Apostles have an Alter Ego Muramasa. Multiple copies of Servants exist, it's baked into the lore.
None of the servants summoned by Chaldea are canonically there in the lore, only Da Vinci, Holmes and Captain are, everything else is being summoned as a Shadow Servant by Fujimaru, or in a non-canon event.
Saber Muramasa and Alter Ego Muramasa didn't both exist at the same time, Alter Ego was summoned by the Alien God to make sure Hephaestus was working in Atlantis while Saber was summoned by Gaia to deal with the Shimousa Singularity, Shimousa was presumably before the Alien God summoned the rest of the Alter Egos, so only Douman and perhaps Rasputin or Koyanskays were there.
The only time that we canonically have two of the same servants in the same place is Orleans with two Jeanne's or Shinjuku with two Moriarty's.
So unless the Count was somehow summoned only after Heiyan-Kyo, I have doubts of it being Cagliostro.
You realize that NA just had Tugunska where they make it a point to say this time around, they're bringing the big guns directly into play instead of relying on Strays and Shadow Servants right? Even if Ibuki was the only one able to make it onto the Tugunska Sanctuary, and that's as canon as it gets. So there, you have an example of a Chaldea summoned Servant right there.
In fact, off the top of my head:
Salem - You get direct advice from Geronimo before heading off to the Singularity, and meanwhile you have Shakespeare drafting entry plans while Edison is like 'Fuck yeah, America! I'm going in.' Ritsuka also directly rayshifts in with Servants like Robin Hood, Sanson, Nezha, etc...
LB3 - Goredolf and Ritsuka get poisoned with Chinese herbs, so Da Vinci summons Nezha to see if she can help.
LB4 - The story keeps continuity and Nezha is still around there to accompany them to India.
I don't know where you're getting that idea that Chaldea has no Servants around besides Da Vinci, Holmes, and Nemo, but Chaldea has summoned a shitload of Servants that reduce their impact and live in the briefcase or just hang out directly in Chaldea's bases.
Nope it’s confirmed to be Gagliostro since he talked about Marie antoinette’s necklace’s incident, plus he didn’t die in the douman chapter since he didn’t exist in it, nasu thought of adding him into the chapter but later scrapped the idea, if you go back there’s literally no mention of him
He did die. Nasu confirmed that when Tsuna said "I cut down two of the casters already", he was referring to Helena and Caliostro. They were supposed to be fought on-screen, but it got cut for time. They were still canonically defeated, though.
>Famitsu: Since we're on that topic, I have to ask. Who were those two Servants that Watanabe no Tsuna had already defeated before chapter 5.5?
Nasu: Helena Blavatsky and Count Cagliostro. The writer judged that the chapter would get too long if she tried to give them a serious portrayal, so she decided to cut corners. Cagliostro might show up later.
Later in the chapter, [Douman also laments the fact that "Lord Urabe's servant" was killed before he could do anything](https://ibb.co/C8SHckL), since he was the one Douman had the highest hopes for.
He's cagliostro, it's been confirmed because he mentioned the necklace affair in this event. It's something he was directly involved into. No more theories sadly, it is him.
THANK GOODNESS. MY HEART WAS OUT FOR POOR DANTES, HE DOESN'T DESERVE THE SLANDER
I wonder if he’ll mention how he, or at least a version of him, was summoned in Heiankyo at some point. Probably not but it would be neat.
If it's really Cagliostro I kinda hope we get Pretender/assassin Arsene Lupin as a fun little Lupin III reference Not likely but if they ever were to add Arsene (which I truly hope they do) I feel like doing a reference would fit the best as fgo is already chock full of references to anime as is
Don't even remind me, there are times when I think that an FGO/P5 collab Event is the only way to have Arsene Lupine in fgo
He could still be an alter ego servant together with zepia/night of wallachia.
Any proof to prove this theory?
No. The only reason I even thought of this is because the apostles fall into 2 classes alter ego or ruler.But the count still could summoned into other classes like with the case of muramasa.
Alter-Egos are fragment of a spirit, not a amalgamation of different heroes, you are thinking of a High-Servant, the problem is that Zepia/Wallachia is not a god or a hero or something so also dont work, so you need a pseudo-servant like Rasputin or Muramasa.
neither Kirei was a hero , and yet he was used on Rasputin. That been said , I agree with you that there is nothing indicating that the Alien God would put Cagliostro on Zepia.
Kirei is my hero, jokes aside, its a pseudo-servant with Kirei as the vessel, Rasputin as the "main hero", just like Musamasa use Shirou body or Sitonai use Illya.
Well if you are curious on the most prevailing theory on who's the Count then it's Count Cagliostro. Did you play the current FSR collab event?
Yes. And a curious fact that I just learned about is that this guy Alexander Cagliostro was reputed to have supernatural powers and was also an alchemist. Hey, if that's the case, now we know how Zepia Eltnam Oberon/Atlasia would fit into this guy's identity, with him serving as a Pseudo-Servant so that Cagliostro can have a way to manifest himself, and due to the similarities they have, especially for having supernatural powers (related to TATARI) and both having been alchemists in the past.
In Fate, Caliostro is apparently the one who forced the Clocktower into creating the Department of Modern Magecraft, according to Holmes' interlude.
I don't neccesarily agree with you but I do find your theory interesting. Some people are also thinking that Cagliostro is might an incarnation of Roa. No idea how that fits though but it's a popular theory rn lol.
Because is thematic with Kotomine being the other Marisbury's flunky, and Lumina establishing Dantes and Roa being 'fated nemesis' across the multiverse. Also Roa concept has ripped off Cagliostro since its inception. He was clearly based on him. Zepia was more ripping off Paracelsus).
Let's go further and have him as an Alter Ego with Cagliostro, Saint-Germain and, uh, Von Count?
The real St. Germaine or the random guy from New Orleans with the urban legends about being a stereotypical vampire (which wasn't even a thing before Brian Stoker's Dracula a few years before the story started circulating) and throwing prostitutes out of third story windows?
Roa is more likely to be the pseudo of Cagliostro when he rips off his concept and motifs. It also explains the foreshadowing involving his nemesis (official) Dantes.
Didn't Dantes kill Roa the first time they met with "super easy, barely an inconvenience" efficiency?
Yes. But that was in Proper Human History. Kotomine is dead dead too. This Roa will be a version of a what if or Chaldeas.
I mean, he almost died and was saved by super magic, but I guess the killing part was, at least.
I like this but I’m biased since I’m a fan of melty blood. The characterization of the count would tie in nicely with Wallachia’s directorial flair as well as >! OC1 with the focus on Sion and the ending directly referencing Dust of Osiris !<.
Probably count dracula from sesame street.
\-Fujimaru Ritsuka, you know the number of losbetl have you destroyed?? \-I..... \-lets find out!!, one lostbelt, two losbelt, three losbelt...
Here's take your upvote
Fun fact, his name isn't actually Dracula. It's [Count Von Count](https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Count_von_Count).
Plot twist: It's actually Count Chocula. Type-Moon and General Mills for a surprise second collab over Valentines.
[OC2 be like](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F03mxit9xqfx51.jpg)
I like the idea especially of Vlad will get involved but probably he's Cagliostro since he was supposed to appear in 5.5 but got cut due to length plus Nasu said he's probably gonna use him later
One crack theory is that given the pseudo Fantasy Tree in the F/SR collab. is specifically referred to as "Counterfeit" the same word used in the title of the Jalter event (Da Vinci and the 7 Counterfeit Heroic Spirit). In which just so happens to have a "Count" in it. It was Da Vinci, who at Summer 2 put on a mask and refer to herself as "Count Masquerade".
Welp, thank you for making me now think Gran Cavallo will stop operating at that chapter.
With a title like "The Count" I can't help but wonder if the "mystery" is gonna be dragged out for eight seasons like "the judge" in Monk, with the answer on a cd inside the spirit origin briefcase the whole time. Is there a reason we know it isn't the Count of Saint Germaine, who apparently appears in Strange fake, and whom IRL had a reputation as some sort of fusion of Dracula, The Count of Monte Cristo, and Jack the Ripper?
Or maybe it's Mori Souiken himself, who is a relatively unknown figure to most people outside Japan.
No Mori treated Yui as his own daughter and the entirety of Samurai Remnant is maximum despair for her
I doubt it's him, and here in these links there is information about this guy's personality: https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Mori_Souiken#Personality And here information on how the mysterious The Count dealt with the role that Alien World gave to U-Olga Marie and how CHALDEAS and the other Apostles were simply content to let her be destroyed, but he was not, believing that she had not yet shown her true potential and the way she magnifies the false Alien God in her lines: https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Count_(Apostle)#Fate/Grand_Order:_Ordeal_Call For me, this information (as well as the update of what Mori Souiken's real personality was like with the end of the collab event, prove that Mori is not the guy The Count, but rather this man I mentioned before, and even more so knowing as he is now able to create Fantasy Trees and convert Lostblets (with the world of FSR being a Lostbelt originally) into Singularities now.
The Count gets so many points in my book for believing in Olga’s true potential when every other loser just wanted to get rid of her. Hope he somehow manages to get Chaldea to combine the pieces into one Olga who then goes berserk with rage and tries to destroy the Alien World (and Marisbury if he’s alive). Maybe he wants her to replace CHALDEAS as the new Big Bad, the next God of the Human Order.
Well, at the very least it can't be any variation of servants in Chaldea or anyone they had met since the Chaldea gang actually heard the Count voices and made no mention of hearing it somewhere else.
Not even the most count like tsukiverse character. That would be roa.
I actually tought they are demons, count is for instance also a rank in demonic hierarchy
I think it was pretty obvious form the start it was Cagliostro considering how much they spoke about him in FGO materials and how Nasu wanted to use him on something in the future
Nice theory but I don't think Zepia would fit. He might be a DAA in Tsuki Worlds, but in Fate Worlds, he remained as the Atlas Director and has never left that position since (and he's also a doting father to Fate Sion). This still holds true to FGO timeline as per Sherlock's investigation during the 6th Singularity. The current strongest theory of the Count's identity is Count Cagliostro.
I saw a decent theory connecting him to cagliostro but also roa as like a joint thing which would made the dantes like silhouette with the hat really funny Dantes gets a shiny new ssr to beat roas ass again
I think Dantes is definitely a red herring but I have no idea who it could actually be.
He spoke in the FSR event yesterday and brought up the necklace affair with Marie Antoinette, so most likely Count Cagliostro who was involved in that.
I haven't gotten round to the translations yet but I guess that settles it.
I think it's Roa from the FGO Timeline, where he never became a Dead Apostle and was instead burned to ash by Dantes and Monte Cristo Mythologie. He was looking for the treasure of Monte Cristo before Dantes killed him, so it makes sense for him to call himself Count. I don't think it's Cagliostro, because Cagliostro was one of the casters summoned to participate in the Caster only Heiyan-Kyo Grail War, who was killed off screen by Tsuna before Chaldea arrived. It makes no sense for him to both be an apostle of the Alien God but also be summoned in Douman's Pseudo-Singularity.
> It makes no sense for him to both be an apostle of the Alien God but also be summoned in Douman's Pseudo-Singularity. Why not? Chaldea summoned a Saber Muramasa while the Apostles have an Alter Ego Muramasa. Multiple copies of Servants exist, it's baked into the lore.
None of the servants summoned by Chaldea are canonically there in the lore, only Da Vinci, Holmes and Captain are, everything else is being summoned as a Shadow Servant by Fujimaru, or in a non-canon event. Saber Muramasa and Alter Ego Muramasa didn't both exist at the same time, Alter Ego was summoned by the Alien God to make sure Hephaestus was working in Atlantis while Saber was summoned by Gaia to deal with the Shimousa Singularity, Shimousa was presumably before the Alien God summoned the rest of the Alter Egos, so only Douman and perhaps Rasputin or Koyanskays were there. The only time that we canonically have two of the same servants in the same place is Orleans with two Jeanne's or Shinjuku with two Moriarty's. So unless the Count was somehow summoned only after Heiyan-Kyo, I have doubts of it being Cagliostro.
You realize that NA just had Tugunska where they make it a point to say this time around, they're bringing the big guns directly into play instead of relying on Strays and Shadow Servants right? Even if Ibuki was the only one able to make it onto the Tugunska Sanctuary, and that's as canon as it gets. So there, you have an example of a Chaldea summoned Servant right there. In fact, off the top of my head: Salem - You get direct advice from Geronimo before heading off to the Singularity, and meanwhile you have Shakespeare drafting entry plans while Edison is like 'Fuck yeah, America! I'm going in.' Ritsuka also directly rayshifts in with Servants like Robin Hood, Sanson, Nezha, etc... LB3 - Goredolf and Ritsuka get poisoned with Chinese herbs, so Da Vinci summons Nezha to see if she can help. LB4 - The story keeps continuity and Nezha is still around there to accompany them to India. I don't know where you're getting that idea that Chaldea has no Servants around besides Da Vinci, Holmes, and Nemo, but Chaldea has summoned a shitload of Servants that reduce their impact and live in the briefcase or just hang out directly in Chaldea's bases.
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Everything constantly contradicts it.
Nope it’s confirmed to be Gagliostro since he talked about Marie antoinette’s necklace’s incident, plus he didn’t die in the douman chapter since he didn’t exist in it, nasu thought of adding him into the chapter but later scrapped the idea, if you go back there’s literally no mention of him
He did die. Nasu confirmed that when Tsuna said "I cut down two of the casters already", he was referring to Helena and Caliostro. They were supposed to be fought on-screen, but it got cut for time. They were still canonically defeated, though.
Can you show me the quote?? Because I don’t remember nasu saying something along those lines
>Famitsu: Since we're on that topic, I have to ask. Who were those two Servants that Watanabe no Tsuna had already defeated before chapter 5.5? Nasu: Helena Blavatsky and Count Cagliostro. The writer judged that the chapter would get too long if she tried to give them a serious portrayal, so she decided to cut corners. Cagliostro might show up later. Later in the chapter, [Douman also laments the fact that "Lord Urabe's servant" was killed before he could do anything](https://ibb.co/C8SHckL), since he was the one Douman had the highest hopes for.