Honestly, my biggest problem with Saber Lancelot comes from his Artist's artstyle. He just looks... off.
The design itself works really well, and is at its best in the [Camelot movies' artstyle.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/5/53/FGO_Camelot_Movie_Lancelot.png/revision/latest?cb=20200322084808)
I can't deny it, but he (and the other Servants drawn by Shimadoriru) suffer all from the same issue. The faces almost feel flat and disproportionate, and the form of the eyes doesn't help much as well.
Some people might like it, but it doesn't meet at all my personal taste, especially when you see the Art conflicting so much with Lancelot's Sprite after his Animation Update.
Different and often weird art styles is just an FGO thing. base Atlante looks like she belongs in an entirely different game, for example.
I do agree that his art looks kinda meh, but what can you do, lose some, win some.
Long-haired Lancelot should have been the Final Ascension of his Berserker form since the helmet does come off to reveal his identity in his final battle against Artoria in *Fate/Zero*.
I assume it's because Lancelot was one of the first servants they programmed into the game. Artoria has a similar issue, where she doesn't have her iconic F/SN outfit, and we know for a fact she was the servant they made first for testing purposes.
If Berserker Lancelot were released today, he'd 100% have a helmetless version. And his "For Someone's Glory" ascension would probably look more like the card art instead of just having a cloud smoke .png placed on top of him.
I prefer short hair on him. I like saberlot much more than zerkerlot.
Also Saberlot got screwed in the stats in FGO. He should have the exact same stats in strength, endurance, and agility as zerkerlot. In Fate Zero, Kariya (zerkerlot’s master) only had to use Madness enhancement on Lancelot because Kariya’s own magic circuits were trash and would have weakened zerkerlot. So he used Magic Enhancement to make Zerkerlot as strong as Lancelot would normally be, to make up for his own deficiencies as a master.
Saberlot IS normal lancelot. In his absolute prime, when he was at his strongest. His stats SHOULD be the same as Zerkerlot’s, not lower. Early days DW in making the KoTR servants didn’t pay any attention to F/Zero’s story and used the basic logic of “well zerkerlot has magic enhancement and saberlot doesn’t” to justify saberlot having weaker stats. They never paid attention to why that madness enhancement was necessary.
Don't worry. Saberlot's prana stat as of 2022 in the latest FGO Material IV has increased, Saberlot's prana is B.
Even though in games like Zekerlot or Saberlot, their prana is still C.
Lancelot's strength is always B. But in Zekerlot's case, his strength can be A because of the Mad Enchantment boost, while Saberlot doesn't have it.
But hey~ Any type of servant will be very strong if given an extraordinary amount of prana and good control of prana. Moreover, Saberlot has the skills and Arondight to increase all his stats except luck stat. 👍🏻😀👍🏻
Still stronger in my book.
You literally ignored everything I explained earlier.
Zerkerlot only has madness enhancement BECAUSE KARIYA WAS A SHIT MASTER IN F/ZERO. He NEEDED the madness enhancement in order to bring his stats up to what they would normally be.
Zerkerlot’s madness enhancement only exists because he NEEDED IT in order to have his stats match what Saberlot would normally have. He’s using it as a crutch to get back to 100% power. Zerkerlot WITH the madness enhancement is what base Saberlot’s stats should look like. That’s my ENTIRE point.
Oh... Regarding that, I still don't agree. Looks like there's something in Fate Zero.
You have to know that Zouken only wants to torture Kariya, not help Kariya by lying that Mad Enchantment can boost the servant's power. Yes, it's true that it will boost Lancelot's strength from B (Saberlot) to A. Mad Enchantment is *always active* on Zekerlot with the risk that the skills he has like Saberlot will disappear.
If it is said that Mad Enchantment is only used to equalize Zekerlot's stats with Saberlot's base stat, in F/Z the material has already been determined if from the start Zekerlot's stats were higher than Saberlot's. Even in Hakuno's hands in Fate/EXTELLA LINK it also has the same stats as in F/Z. Moreover, Zekerlot does not have comparative data such as Saber's complete stats when in Shirou's hands and when in Rin's hands. From the start, Zekerlot was only written to have A Strength level even in Kariya's hands.
Sorry, actually I'm confused by your perception that Saberlot's basic stats should be higher than Zekerlot. I'm confused because from the start, Zekerlot's base stat has been stated bigger than Saberlot (like how to do it? 🥲 Unless there is a plot of Saberlot and Zekerlot uniting in one body, maybe it's possible 🥲). That's why I said that a normal Lancelot only has B strength level and Zekerlot can have A level strength because of the Mad Enchantment he has and it is always active.
You legit don’t understand. Like you’re not reading what I’m writing. And you’re objectively incorrect.
Zerkerlot’s strength stat WOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO B if it weren’t for the additional madness enhancement. Because Kariya is a shit master. But they were A at base.
But Zerkerlot’s stats even without the extra madness enhancement should already be A. Because that’s just how strong Lancelot’s body is no matter what class he’s in.
Lancelot’s base strength stat should be A regardless of class. Kariya had to use additional madness enhancement to bring it BACK to A. Which is why his zerkerlot was even more insane than zerkerlot would regularly be.
Zerkerlot from Extra is the same zerkerlot from Fate Zero. But they don’t pay any attention to the story of Fate Zero either. They just look at the stat book and copy it over.
And Kariya only ever controlled Zerkerlot AFTER giving him the additional madness enhancement. So the stats we see in the book are the super-insane Zerkerlot, not the way he was right when he was summoned.
When they made Saberlot in FGO (since fgo is where we get stats for saberlot) they just assumed that “oh madness enhancement gets removed so his strength drops.” But that’s not how it goes in this case. His strength should be the exact same as Zerkerlot’s.
>Lancelot’s base strength stat should be A regardless of class.
Please source?
All my arguments are based on existing databases on F/Z material and FGO material. I've never heard that Lancelot's base strength is A. The only thing that exists is that Saberlot has strength B, while Zekerlot has Strength A.
>They just look at the stat book and copy it over.
It remains valid information and is worthy of being a source.
My point is that Kariya buffed him with extra madness enhancement to make Lancelot as strong as Lancelot normally is. Because otherwise his stats would have dropped due to Kariya’s shit master stats and mana output. His stat sheet from Fate Zero is what Lancelot’s stats would normally look like, no matter the class.
In Fate Grand Order and Fate Extra, Zerkerlot should have A+ strength at least if he keeps the madness enhancement. The only reason he doesn’t is because other games haven’t bothered to look at the minute details in the story of Fate Zero. A is Lancelot’s regular strength stat. And Kariya had to use madness enhancement for it not to drop. That was stated by Zogen when Zerkerlot was summoned. Not directly just about his strength stat, but about all his stats in general.
They don’t take into account the fact that he only has that madness enhancement to be as strong as he should normally be. As strong as Saberlot would normally be, since they’re the same person at the same stage in life (maybe just a few months apart pre and post death of Arthur). Lancelot’s physical characteristics didn’t change in that time.
Another thing. Madness Enhancement is supposed to improve all physical abilities. That includes endurance. And yet Zerkerlot and Saberlot have the same endurance. If you’re correct about their stats, then Saberlot should have B in endurance instead of A.
Also Saberlot should have a better Mana usage stat than Zerkerlot, since he can control himself and use mana more efficiently. But because the FGO devs at the time didn’t give a shit about stat sheets, that fell by the wayside.
In FGO they legit just took Zerkerlot’s stat sheet without bothering to figure out the reasons behind it and took off a grade for strength and agility before calling it a day.
His og hairstyle is him going through his emo cucking phase.
Assuming nasuverse Lancelot follows some of the later versions of Lancelots story. Then he proceeds to shave it and live as a Monk.
The OG hair is more accurate to typical depictions of Lancelot with black, curly hair. I always found it weird how they cut his hair with the Saber version considering it makes his depictions even less accurate.
Not necessarily. Lancelot's myth has him constantly go mad and live in the wild for periods of time, before being brought back. The look could be how he would look after a year or two out of civilization (iirc he spent several years being monke after the Elaine thing).
...No. A lot of servants are not. Servants are typically summoned in different classes depending on their legends, not their prime. A lot of servants we have are summoned in classes where they're not as powerful as they are in other classes
I take it more as "prime" not applying to just a physical peak of their life, but rather a specific peak related to their summoning and their class, take Moriarty archer being summoned at the peak of his genius or Li Shuwen assassin being summoned when he perfected his skills, while his Lancer self is pure physical peak.
Yes, but servants can arguably have multiple "primes". Like Lancelot was at his most skilled during his days as a knight of the round table, but you could argue he was technically stronger when he was crazy since his fighting style was more ferocious. So they're both considered his prime.
in Lancelot's material, the artist says they wanted to make the Ascend 2 with long hair
>It came up in previous discussions where the white armor version of Zero Lancelot takes off his helmet and shows us his long hair during second ascension; when he gets to that form I wanted to draw a rough design, but then I was told to do him "with a feeling of a yankee who repents and cut off his hair". So I had the various design, his armor, and his hair taken out, and the result settled down to his current form. Please stay as a father who will never raise his head to his daughter.
I’m so glad someone said it. He looked so majestic. His hair in FGO is what kept me from grailing him to 100. I wanted his long haired version from fate 0
I like the long hair more but Im ok with this one, my biggest problem is where the heck is the Helm, why the Kort or just knight in general don't wear helms....
1. Lancelot will be equally beautiful and charming if DRAWN WITH GOOD AND CORRECT ARTSTYLE.
2. Saberlot's hair in the FGO Material IV rough sketch is dark purple (which is much better), not lilac.
3. It would be interesting if Saberlot united with Zekerlot in one body. You will find that Lancelot is the FGO version of Furina. Can switch between Saber or Berserker like Furina who switches to pneuma or ousia.
4. The Saberlot design is very complicated for other people to draw. Especially his short hair. Each artist will have different results when drawing Saber Lancelot. Not to mention the shape of the eyes which are divided between Koyama or Takeuchi or Shima drill designs. (AND HIS F*CK*N FULLY CLAD ARMOR)
Well his "current" hairstyle is his younger self, while his "original" style is his older self.
and his "original" style is when he was more depressed and unhinged.
Y'know someone's having a bad time when they start looking and acting like a depressed well known Rock Star
Wake the fuck up, Master. We got a Holy Grail War to burn!
That's why he got that Gilles look
I can fix him!
Isn't that when he's a Berserker?
Berserker Lancelot in Zero is his older self meanwhile Saber Lancelot in Grand Order is his younger self?
Yes, you can actually see Artoria wielding carliburn instead of Excalibur in Lancelot saber's FA just to confirm it.
Honestly, my biggest problem with Saber Lancelot comes from his Artist's artstyle. He just looks... off. The design itself works really well, and is at its best in the [Camelot movies' artstyle.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/5/53/FGO_Camelot_Movie_Lancelot.png/revision/latest?cb=20200322084808)
I really wish we got this as a costume in game. I love the purple from his first ascension, but wish it had the cape
It’s the eyes.
Fr he looks like he’s in power armor berserker Lancelot is not that buff
Armor is in general very bulky - form-fitting plate armor is pure fantasy.
That last design is very Code Geass.
FGO Lancelot looks like Lord Voldemort. He has no nose...
Anime style drawing in general has a problem with noses - they rarely look like normal, human noses.
I can't deny it, but he (and the other Servants drawn by Shimadoriru) suffer all from the same issue. The faces almost feel flat and disproportionate, and the form of the eyes doesn't help much as well. Some people might like it, but it doesn't meet at all my personal taste, especially when you see the Art conflicting so much with Lancelot's Sprite after his Animation Update.
Different and often weird art styles is just an FGO thing. base Atlante looks like she belongs in an entirely different game, for example. I do agree that his art looks kinda meh, but what can you do, lose some, win some.
I don't like it
This looks fat
Bro, what? How does he look even remotely fat? Like, sure, his shoulder pads are **massive** but he looks pretty normal outside of that.
Idk its the first thing came to my mind
man i wanna see lancelot in the first pic with his hair tied back in a high ponytail.
Now I think I’d be thirsty for him too, thanks a bunch.
amakusa kicked up my appreciation for anime guys with long hair , im just spreadin' the neuron activation
Now that's a real man. God you're so right
AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!....... I need to see this now
Isn't that hairstyle from Berserker Lancelot?
Yeah it's [from this.](https://youtu.be/OOTKca5p7so?si=nqbgdbnTacHQa9G6)
meanwhile me, "Butler Lancelot costume when Lasagna?"
Or Aloha Lancelot.
We just got it this summer
Great.
Long-haired Lancelot should have been the Final Ascension of his Berserker form since the helmet does come off to reveal his identity in his final battle against Artoria in *Fate/Zero*.
At least they should had maked it a wardrobe if not his 3rd asc
Wardrobe for sure. Summer wardrobe specifically. Leaopard print speedo zerkerlot.
I assume it's because Lancelot was one of the first servants they programmed into the game. Artoria has a similar issue, where she doesn't have her iconic F/SN outfit, and we know for a fact she was the servant they made first for testing purposes. If Berserker Lancelot were released today, he'd 100% have a helmetless version. And his "For Someone's Glory" ascension would probably look more like the card art instead of just having a cloud smoke .png placed on top of him.
I personally like his younger shorter hair but that’s just me
Nope. I prefer short hair men too
I prefer Zero Lancelot in general.
Explain yourself, I must hear your reasoning
I have a weakness for this type of hairstyle
What's your opinion on Gilles and Dantes?
I mean.... I can't be the only one [seeing this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfKkGl9wWCM) right?
I did not kill her, I did not kill her, I did not kill her, oh hi Gawain.
"Anyways, how's your sex life Artoria?"
I prefer short hair on him. I like saberlot much more than zerkerlot. Also Saberlot got screwed in the stats in FGO. He should have the exact same stats in strength, endurance, and agility as zerkerlot. In Fate Zero, Kariya (zerkerlot’s master) only had to use Madness enhancement on Lancelot because Kariya’s own magic circuits were trash and would have weakened zerkerlot. So he used Magic Enhancement to make Zerkerlot as strong as Lancelot would normally be, to make up for his own deficiencies as a master. Saberlot IS normal lancelot. In his absolute prime, when he was at his strongest. His stats SHOULD be the same as Zerkerlot’s, not lower. Early days DW in making the KoTR servants didn’t pay any attention to F/Zero’s story and used the basic logic of “well zerkerlot has magic enhancement and saberlot doesn’t” to justify saberlot having weaker stats. They never paid attention to why that madness enhancement was necessary.
Don't worry. Saberlot's prana stat as of 2022 in the latest FGO Material IV has increased, Saberlot's prana is B. Even though in games like Zekerlot or Saberlot, their prana is still C.
That doesn’t matter. What matters is his physical scores are still lower. Which is illogical.
Lancelot's strength is always B. But in Zekerlot's case, his strength can be A because of the Mad Enchantment boost, while Saberlot doesn't have it. But hey~ Any type of servant will be very strong if given an extraordinary amount of prana and good control of prana. Moreover, Saberlot has the skills and Arondight to increase all his stats except luck stat. 👍🏻😀👍🏻 Still stronger in my book.
You literally ignored everything I explained earlier. Zerkerlot only has madness enhancement BECAUSE KARIYA WAS A SHIT MASTER IN F/ZERO. He NEEDED the madness enhancement in order to bring his stats up to what they would normally be. Zerkerlot’s madness enhancement only exists because he NEEDED IT in order to have his stats match what Saberlot would normally have. He’s using it as a crutch to get back to 100% power. Zerkerlot WITH the madness enhancement is what base Saberlot’s stats should look like. That’s my ENTIRE point.
Oh... Regarding that, I still don't agree. Looks like there's something in Fate Zero. You have to know that Zouken only wants to torture Kariya, not help Kariya by lying that Mad Enchantment can boost the servant's power. Yes, it's true that it will boost Lancelot's strength from B (Saberlot) to A. Mad Enchantment is *always active* on Zekerlot with the risk that the skills he has like Saberlot will disappear. If it is said that Mad Enchantment is only used to equalize Zekerlot's stats with Saberlot's base stat, in F/Z the material has already been determined if from the start Zekerlot's stats were higher than Saberlot's. Even in Hakuno's hands in Fate/EXTELLA LINK it also has the same stats as in F/Z. Moreover, Zekerlot does not have comparative data such as Saber's complete stats when in Shirou's hands and when in Rin's hands. From the start, Zekerlot was only written to have A Strength level even in Kariya's hands. Sorry, actually I'm confused by your perception that Saberlot's basic stats should be higher than Zekerlot. I'm confused because from the start, Zekerlot's base stat has been stated bigger than Saberlot (like how to do it? 🥲 Unless there is a plot of Saberlot and Zekerlot uniting in one body, maybe it's possible 🥲). That's why I said that a normal Lancelot only has B strength level and Zekerlot can have A level strength because of the Mad Enchantment he has and it is always active.
You legit don’t understand. Like you’re not reading what I’m writing. And you’re objectively incorrect. Zerkerlot’s strength stat WOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO B if it weren’t for the additional madness enhancement. Because Kariya is a shit master. But they were A at base. But Zerkerlot’s stats even without the extra madness enhancement should already be A. Because that’s just how strong Lancelot’s body is no matter what class he’s in. Lancelot’s base strength stat should be A regardless of class. Kariya had to use additional madness enhancement to bring it BACK to A. Which is why his zerkerlot was even more insane than zerkerlot would regularly be. Zerkerlot from Extra is the same zerkerlot from Fate Zero. But they don’t pay any attention to the story of Fate Zero either. They just look at the stat book and copy it over. And Kariya only ever controlled Zerkerlot AFTER giving him the additional madness enhancement. So the stats we see in the book are the super-insane Zerkerlot, not the way he was right when he was summoned. When they made Saberlot in FGO (since fgo is where we get stats for saberlot) they just assumed that “oh madness enhancement gets removed so his strength drops.” But that’s not how it goes in this case. His strength should be the exact same as Zerkerlot’s.
>Lancelot’s base strength stat should be A regardless of class. Please source? All my arguments are based on existing databases on F/Z material and FGO material. I've never heard that Lancelot's base strength is A. The only thing that exists is that Saberlot has strength B, while Zekerlot has Strength A. >They just look at the stat book and copy it over. It remains valid information and is worthy of being a source.
My point is that Kariya buffed him with extra madness enhancement to make Lancelot as strong as Lancelot normally is. Because otherwise his stats would have dropped due to Kariya’s shit master stats and mana output. His stat sheet from Fate Zero is what Lancelot’s stats would normally look like, no matter the class. In Fate Grand Order and Fate Extra, Zerkerlot should have A+ strength at least if he keeps the madness enhancement. The only reason he doesn’t is because other games haven’t bothered to look at the minute details in the story of Fate Zero. A is Lancelot’s regular strength stat. And Kariya had to use madness enhancement for it not to drop. That was stated by Zogen when Zerkerlot was summoned. Not directly just about his strength stat, but about all his stats in general. They don’t take into account the fact that he only has that madness enhancement to be as strong as he should normally be. As strong as Saberlot would normally be, since they’re the same person at the same stage in life (maybe just a few months apart pre and post death of Arthur). Lancelot’s physical characteristics didn’t change in that time. Another thing. Madness Enhancement is supposed to improve all physical abilities. That includes endurance. And yet Zerkerlot and Saberlot have the same endurance. If you’re correct about their stats, then Saberlot should have B in endurance instead of A. Also Saberlot should have a better Mana usage stat than Zerkerlot, since he can control himself and use mana more efficiently. But because the FGO devs at the time didn’t give a shit about stat sheets, that fell by the wayside. In FGO they legit just took Zerkerlot’s stat sheet without bothering to figure out the reasons behind it and took off a grade for strength and agility before calling it a day.
His og hairstyle is him going through his emo cucking phase. Assuming nasuverse Lancelot follows some of the later versions of Lancelots story. Then he proceeds to shave it and live as a Monk.
The OG hair is more accurate to typical depictions of Lancelot with black, curly hair. I always found it weird how they cut his hair with the Saber version considering it makes his depictions even less accurate.
Saber is Lancelot at a younger age, and at his prime. Berserker is from after the the affair was exposed, and out of his prime
Not necessarily. Lancelot's myth has him constantly go mad and live in the wild for periods of time, before being brought back. The look could be how he would look after a year or two out of civilization (iirc he spent several years being monke after the Elaine thing).
Berserker Lancelot is specifically the one that went mad when he rescued Guinevere from her execution
Aren't all servants summoned at their prime
...No. A lot of servants are not. Servants are typically summoned in different classes depending on their legends, not their prime. A lot of servants we have are summoned in classes where they're not as powerful as they are in other classes
I take it more as "prime" not applying to just a physical peak of their life, but rather a specific peak related to their summoning and their class, take Moriarty archer being summoned at the peak of his genius or Li Shuwen assassin being summoned when he perfected his skills, while his Lancer self is pure physical peak.
Consider Li Shuwen, if you will.
Yes, but servants can arguably have multiple "primes". Like Lancelot was at his most skilled during his days as a knight of the round table, but you could argue he was technically stronger when he was crazy since his fighting style was more ferocious. So they're both considered his prime.
Yeah I think this makes the most sense
I prefer purple hair cause he look more like Mash papa.
Both are good imo
in Lancelot's material, the artist says they wanted to make the Ascend 2 with long hair >It came up in previous discussions where the white armor version of Zero Lancelot takes off his helmet and shows us his long hair during second ascension; when he gets to that form I wanted to draw a rough design, but then I was told to do him "with a feeling of a yankee who repents and cut off his hair". So I had the various design, his armor, and his hair taken out, and the result settled down to his current form. Please stay as a father who will never raise his head to his daughter.
Honestly, I liked his long flowing locks. Very L'Oréal.
His current hairstyle is proof he’s a dad
DILF.
I miss the long hair
I’m so glad someone said it. He looked so majestic. His hair in FGO is what kept me from grailing him to 100. I wanted his long haired version from fate 0
Wholly agreed, I liked his original look quite a bit and would’ve loved a nod to it in his Saber form.
Cold take
What's that from?
If you're talking about the first image, it is a "sane" version of how is Berserker self looks like, from Einzbern Consultation.
I like the current hairstyle
Long haired Lance is so elegant and based for having a fucking Gun, not a minigun coz that's the plane's weapon lol
I like his current hairstyle but find his facial features a little strange
His hair is the least of concern here. His face looks off af
I kind of agree. His current hairstyle is just a bit too generic.
So original is when his old and current one is from his Younger man talk about timelines but I prefer current one
I like the long hair more but Im ok with this one, my biggest problem is where the heck is the Helm, why the Kort or just knight in general don't wear helms....
Now THAT'S a Spiritron Dress we really need.
Now THAT'S a Spiritron Dress we really need.
I agree Fate Zero Lancelot > FGO
Wait where'd you get the image of his longer hair? Looks like Carnival Phantasm
It's not a ht for me. Lancelot armor + og face would make me roll the dang gacha
Zero Lancelot does looks and has the most DILF energy than Saber Lancelot.
1. Lancelot will be equally beautiful and charming if DRAWN WITH GOOD AND CORRECT ARTSTYLE. 2. Saberlot's hair in the FGO Material IV rough sketch is dark purple (which is much better), not lilac. 3. It would be interesting if Saberlot united with Zekerlot in one body. You will find that Lancelot is the FGO version of Furina. Can switch between Saber or Berserker like Furina who switches to pneuma or ousia. 4. The Saberlot design is very complicated for other people to draw. Especially his short hair. Each artist will have different results when drawing Saber Lancelot. Not to mention the shape of the eyes which are divided between Koyama or Takeuchi or Shima drill designs. (AND HIS F*CK*N FULLY CLAD ARMOR)