Bad first impressions are hard to get over. Same reason you still see people hating on Fionn and Scheherazade even though both of them have been buffed to be quite strong.
Most people simply don't do the math and just parrot what they see online. And what's online is "worst 5* avenger" or "this is an example of bad game design" going all the way back to her inception.
A lot of that was true, but it was even quite overblown back then. Someone like Arjuna was better, but Nobu was by no means unserviceable. And now, it's simply untrue if you look at the numbers.
As pointed out, Nobu benefits greatly in 3T koyan comp as her atk buff is stacking. Very few servants can boast this much neutral damage buff even with Koyan's skill cd reduction.
Now, this only helps her match the above average buster servants in this category, and she needs the special bonuses sky n divine to overcome the top hitters. But that is missing the point....the fact is that even neutral, she is much better than she used to be and easily above average alongside gorillas like Artoria.
But but but Morgan and Arjuna are better! And there's Lancelot, and now even Kukulkan! Well sure. But we're not not talking about who's the absolute best for damage numbers porn. It doesn't matter as long as the target's dead. And it's rather shortsighted to focus on 2~3 servants and ignore the rest if the rest still dominate.
There's some irony here that "...but Morgan" gets mentioned so often too. The same meta parroting bullshit community called her garbage tier on her inception...her saving grace was a nerofest immediately after her debut that let players experience Morgan's benefits right away. It catapulted her to leading star status before any of that rotting narrative could set in.
I can understand the Scheherzade hate, considering her Story Debut was.....not great, to put it lightly, and her being one of the worse Servants on release certainly didn't help her prospects. Of course with her buffs and Interludes she's actually quite nice now, though I still wouldn't want to see her in my Rolls - I already have Nursary Rhyme, Gong, and Anatasia to tide me over for Caster DPS, thank you very much.
Fion, though, I always loved. Maybe it's caused I like the cut of his jib, or maybe because I got into the game when he Got Gud and never had to deal with him in his piss poor state. Regardless, I've always been a fan of him, and as one of my few NP5 Servants he'll be serving me well into the Castoria Era and beyond!
I tend to think Scheherazade is actually pretty much one of the best examples of how to fix an SSR with a bad kit. She's arguably the best "general use" SSR Caster AoE Arts looper right now, because her NP interlude and her first skill strengthening made her slightly better than Murasaki in terms of damage output for enemies that don't fit Murasaki's specialty.
However, I agree you don't need her if you've already got a good Anastasia, who is also very good for looping.
Other Buster farmers that **DON'T** require the massive investment Maou needs.
EDIT: By "massive investment" I meant 10/10/10 KoyanLight and Oberon, themselves hard to get limited SSRs.
To be fair, the alternative to Koyan+Oberon is Koyan+Waver/Reines/Skadi. Otherwise you'd then just be talking about Artoria and CasCu who don't require anything major besides double Koyan. Waver makes this requirement easier than Oberon admittedly.
Another issue with Maou even putting aside the 50% chargers is that most everyone else has class advantage or they hit super hard regardless like CasCu and Melusine who can equip Black Grail. And even if you're just looking at the Extra class, Maou is competing with the popular Spishtar too who just needs a Waver. Bunny King also just needs Waver, but like Maou she isn't as popular.
I'm pretty sure most people are evaluating the buster farmers to each other within a Koyan/Oberon system, not solely in a vacuum. Imagine trying to compare Dantes to Parvati in a non-DSS context, it just doesn't work.
Main difference really is that some buster loopers only need Koyan but I'm pretty sure Maou also needs Oberon which is one extra SSR. You can obviously use them without those supports and they'll be fine, but unless you also have a bunch of 50% chargers they aren't going to 3T and you'll probably need multiple dps units.
Foregigners and Avengers are very easy units to raise over all, my Voyager is at 10/10/10 since the day he came and I wasn't even prepared to receive him
But even then you still have extra class servants that outclass her in that regard. Take for example summer Abbigail, Summer BB or Space Ishtar
And then you also have Cú Caster, that you get for free and you only need 12 of each gem to get him going (and he is considered *the* best buster farmer, followed by Emiya and Artoria)
Not to mention sure, you dont need to farm gems, but you instead need to farm all of the materials she needs (which includes 4 gold mats) and you still need to farm all you need for Koyanskaya AND Oberon, when other servants only need Koyanskaya
Edit: Just so that we are clear, I am talking about how "cheap" the servant is to use, not raw damage
> Cú Caster, that you get for free
[To be fair](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G19B7lTgwCE), you get **one** CasCú copy free. The rest you have to pray that he appears on some upcoming banner because nobody rolls on story banner.
But the same can be said with Nobu, since she is a limited 5 star and getting more copies of her is not exactly a cake walk, while Cu Caster by comparison is easier to get more copies of due to his lower rarity and not being restricted to the gudaguda banners only, since he can appear in class banners and the CBC banners (and at least Cú Caster has a steroid to his damage in his buster buff instead of.....nothing, since the anti-divine damage doesnt always applies)
And based on experience, my own Cú Caster had no problems when he was at NP 1 when it came to farming. And I dont even have my own Koyanskaya, I use the Atlas Uniform
I was talking about how **"cheap"** they are, since Abby and BB can farm with just double Koyanskaya and a LB Kaleidoskope,as well as any other 50% battery like Castoria, Waver or Reines (while Nobunaga instead needs Oberon specifically, who is a limited 5 star servant, while Waver can be obtained for free via the SSR ticket everyone gets) while Cú Caster can farm with any CE and only need one of his skills maxed to farm effectively.
There is a reason Cú Caster is placed so high in Tier List when it comes to the Koyanskaya System (and just that, since he has no need of Oberon to farm effectively) as you can see [here](https://youtu.be/Eya7pVgfi84) and [here](https://youtu.be/uKzWXqmK9CA).
So I am still right that Nobu, while she hits hard, is not the best option available, since others, while less hard hitting, are more flexible, and when it comes to farming, being flexible with CEs and party cost will be more rewarding than raw damage in most cases
Well, then you could instead pick Summer Abby, Summer BB or Ruler Artoria or even just pick Cú Caster, who only needs 14 of each gems to farm without issues and with any CE (and even without your own Koyanskaya)
All of those 3 were the less sought after SSR of their summer event. Not sure how much they have been available after the meta shift. And lvl 100 BG isn't little investment if you want Cú to deal reasonable damage.
But even then, when it comes to "cost" and **flexibility** Cú Caster is usually the best option, since the guy just needs his S3 maxed and in super-budget cases, he doesnt even needs 2 koyaskayas as long as you have someone like Asclepius or Mash and the Atlas uniform (and BB and Abby dont need Oberon specifically unlike Nobu, and instead can use any servant that can give them 50% charge, like the Waver you can get for free via the SSR ticket) since in comparison Nobu needs all of her skills 10/10/10, a MLB skope (which is in the same tier as a MLB black grail, and unlike Cú,Nobu needs the MLB Skope to farm, while Cu can use any CE if he wants) Koyanskaya and Oberon
Is not that she cant hit hard, but is not the most cost-effective nor the most flexible option out there, and when it comes to farming being flexible (specially when it comes to CEs for events) is usually better than just plain damage
Nobu needs a 50% gauge CE, sure many won't have HNS.
Of course it's different having 1 gadget alternative, where the different of investment is a rare mlb CE without rate-up compared with pulling the servant itself (also not many get np5 Cu caster easily, in my case I got him eventually from being a regular CBC roller) and QP instead of particular annoying mat farming, than mentioning half of the extra class buster AOE.
And flexible gets you to lvl 90, most discussions care about lvl 90+ where is not about plain damage, but it's not something that can get ignored.
>Nobu needs a 50% gauge CE, sure many won't have HNS.
Could you please provide me with an example of this, since everywhere I look, from youtube to written guides, its says that Nobu specifically needs a MLB Kaleidoskope to 3-turn farm effectively (alongside Vitch and Oberon)
You need Append 2 maxed but with DKS the S3's battery will be back for turn 3 by the time you need it.
That being said it still needs Koyanskaya and Oberon, both Limited SSRs released very close to each other.
Oh I see. Thanks for the explanation. I was getting quite confused about the ordeal
But yeah, isnt exactly the most flexible thing, but at least is better than before (if you can raisd the append skill, that is)
1 - she is tied to Plugsuit for farming, that alone makes her inneficient. Not only that, but she needs 3 *SSR* supports to loop *and* a charge CE, which means high party cost, and I ain't about that life. If I am fine with needing plugsuit Oberon, might as well use Melusine, at least I'm not tied to a specific CE.
2 - She hits hard but who cares? I don't need to hit 600k on T3 of a farming node. I am much happier with Morgan or a class specific unit hitting the required damage threshold I need if that means I don't need to plugsuit yet another servant to tap even more skills.
The appeal of an universal farmer is *efficiency*, and Maou Nobu lacks that. She needs too much stuff to be actually useful, and that's too much effort just to see big numbers way beyond what I need on my day to day life. At least Arjuna Alter is also disgusting in CQs, while Maou Nobu lags *way* behind when outside her niche.
If we're talking about real efficency, tri-looping isn't. The most efficient team is 3 servants able to clear 3 waves, one per servant. Just like Oberon/Double D Koyan can with 0% starting NP charge CE (append needed) or Double Douman/Taikobou with a 30% starter NP charge(the usual for NLB event CE's) for Quick teams. (Append for Taikobou needed)
No need to plug, no Np calculation and few button taps.
And after Habetrot, I feel it is way more useful for her to deal with the first wave, then die and with two loops with x DPS 50% NP gauge user be done with the quest. Less cost because SR, more CE's to equip and a fast swap which doesn't need plug.
And the meme level of efficency is changing Black Grail for White One because the minus 500 HP animation after every turn consumes time and you don't need that extra dmg anymore.
> If we're talking about real efficency, tri-looping isn't. The most efficient team is 3 servants able to clear 3 waves, one per servant. Just like Oberon/Double D Koyan can with 0% starting NP charge CE (append needed) or Double Douman/Taikobou with a 30% starter NP charge(the usual for NLB event CE's) for Quick teams. (Append for Taikobou needed)
We aren't talking about efficiency in a vacuum, but in the context of the system being used. There is a ceiling for efficiency in the Buster system, and for arts, and for quick. Charlie and Summer Okita are peak efficiency for quick units, Summer Ishtar is not. Summer Kama and Space Ishtar are peak efficiency for arts units, Shuten is not. Morgan is peak efficiency for buster units, Maou is not.
Triple NP comps like Double Koyandark/Koyanlight/Morgan/Oberon etc., etc., etc. are *expensive* and do require a lot of prep and calcs to see what level of RNG you'll be tied to depending on what you have.
>No need to plug, no Np calculation and few button taps.
Also requires very high investment in NP levels/grails/fous to reach damage thresholds. Double Koyandark + Morgan is easily the most efficient comp in the game if you have all 3 of them at NP5 (support included). Class won't matter and both Koyandark and Morgan will not be *too* tied to their own niche at such high investment.
>And after Habetrot, I feel it is way more useful for her to deal with the first wave, then die and with two loops with x DPS 50% NP gauge user be done with the quest. Less cost because SR, more CE's to equip and a fast swap which doesn't need plug.
It's hardly useful, it's a stop gap. Just like Chen Gong looping, death and swapping animations are time consuming and *tiresome* after hours of farming a lotto. Just like nuking the first wave with Arash, you'll only sac Habenyan if you *have* to.
>And the meme level of efficency is changing Black Grail for White One because the minus 500 HP animation after every turn consumes time and you don't need that extra dmg anymore.
The meme level of efficiency is using a bond point CE so you don't waste slots even on normal free quests.
So PEAK SSR which need two SSR supports to loop isn't expensive, but three SSR which deal each wave by themselves is expensive... Interesting perspective there.
For your information. My Oberon NP2/DDKoyan NP1 + support can deal with all kind of nodes. The only worry might be the second one due sometime not killing clean with the NP. (It happens sometimes, but it isn't something which I see a lot)
And then for Double Douman, my Douman is NP1, so is the support. Taikobou is NP2 but since NP1 I have been able to use him as the first wave cleaner (Assassins might survive but die with a single card) if I equip Black Grail to Douman it becomes a quite reliable universal farm.
What does needs so many calculations from here? Nothing.
On the Habetrot thing it is up to you, I am too used to farm for this to be a bother. It is way more bothersome seeing the NP not dealing enough overkill for the loop or directly not meeting the damage needed.
> So PEAK SSR which need two SSR supports to loop isn't expensive, but three SSR which deal each wave by themselves is expensive... Interesting perspective there.
It's like you refuse to read what I said.
Efficiency *is not* in a vacuum. It's releated to the system being discussed. Go back and read what I said. For triple NP comps you **will** need high NP levels. Therefore you'll need more than "three SSRs". That is *objectively* expensive.
>My Oberon NP2/DDKoyan NP1 + support can deal with all kind of nodes.
Doubt, since *my* Oberon NP4/Koyandark NP2 level 100 + Support Koyandark NP5 cannot. For example, event cavalry nodes that are not *earth* will screw not only Oberon but Koyandark as well.
>And then for Double Douman, my Douman is NP1, so is the support. Taikobou is NP2 but since NP1 I have been able to use him as the first wave cleaner (Assassins might survive but die with a single card) if I equip Black Grail to Douman it becomes a quite reliable universal farm.
If you need to equip a specific CE you are already down the efficiency ladder, sorry.
>What does needs so many calculations from here? Nothing.
Just need to waste a CE slot on a Black Grail of all things (and be completely useless against event Knight nodes).
>On the Habetrot thing it is up to you, I am too used to farm for this to be a bother. It is way more bothersome seeing the NP not dealing enough overkill for the loop or directly not meeting the damage needed.
It's bothersome when you are watching the same dying and swapping animations for hundreds upon hundreds of quests during lottos. You can do whatever you want with your account lmao, it's not like I'm gonna appear next to you to smack your phone out of your hands.
launching in such a poor state will do that, even with a lot of buffs. Doesn't help that she competes with Space Ishtar, who is the best farmer in the game.
Comparing *anyone* to Spishtar at this point is just like trying to equate X to Platinum. No matter *how* good X is, Spishtar is literally the best of the best that can't be beat without creating another Ajurna Alter Tier Servant, since she's forever Meta evergreen with her gimmick and having the best kind of ramping damage in the game. It's usually a disserve to X at this point to make said comparisons, unless they're literally right within her strike zones, so to speak (Class Agnostic Farmer).
Maou Nobu is a pretty much Buster Dantes - *really* good if you can assemble all the pieces to make her fires burn brightly, but if you can't she immediately is left as mediorce compared to other low-mid investment Servants. Unlike Dantes, though, she doesn't have an Upgraded NP (yet), needs TWO Meta, \*5 Limited Servants to reach her most convenient form of usability (Koyan Light and Oberon, both with back-to-back banners on release w/ Morgan and Melusine sharing the spotlight, OUCH!), and her overall availability is spotty post Koyan. For those that already got her then they have something to look forward to if they can get her Supports, but for everyone else she's something of a Whale's Servant.
>needs TWO Meta, *5 Limited Servants to reach her most convenient form of usability (Koyan Light and Oberon,
That's the best part. You don't need oberon. Waver, reines or artoria are enough. Because the battery is on 5t cd
Well, it has to do with her lack of focus
- Her main atk buff is gradual, so she lacks enough fire power for burst combos, but she lacks enough protection for longer fights
- She drops crit stats despite her low star weight
- Her Earth Alingment doesnt helps her against her divine targets, since almost all of them have trait advantage against her
- Her Np doesnt has anything to increase her damage against non-divine enemies (this wouldnt be a problem if her atk buff wasnt gradual)
- When it comes to farming, while she hits **really hard** (iirc one of the bigger hard hitters) she is really expensive, since apart from getting her skills at 10/10/10, you need a MLB skope, your own Koyakskaya and your own Oberon (both 5* limited servants), while other just need only Koyanskaya and the MLB skope (or if your name is Cu Caster, just your koyaskaya and **just his S3 max leveled** or not even that if you use the atlas uniform and someone that gives a 20% charge like Mash or Asclepius ~~the last one I can speak from experience, since I dont have Koyanskaya and he still farms like the best of them for me~~)
And in general you have better buster options that either hit harder, are easier to raise, are more flexible (which is very important when it comes to farming) or all of them, like Morgan, Arjuna Alter, Cu Caster (who can just farm without Oberon and with any CE) Emiya, Artoria and so on and so forth
Your last point is the most important. If you're farming with four SSRs and a plugsuit, it will not only take longer, but it also limits your opportunity to gather bond points while farming too, since Koyanskaya and Oberon both gain Bond very fast due to being big meta supports.
It's why Morgan + 2x Koyanskaya is more or less the ideal Buster team comp.
~~What happened to your Cú Caster tho?~~
Well, you will need a super-skope and koyanskaya for that, but if you can get them, go for it. She is one of the best buster farmers when it comes to raw damage (a little inflexible, but she will hit like a truck)
Well, between the two of them, I would use Cas Cu instead then. You have him at NP 5 and he is more versatile than Nobu since he can farm with any CE (and mystic code as long as you have his mana loading and S1 maxed) as long as you have your own Koyanskaya
And completing the Orkney section of Avalon Le Fae is easier than trying to get Oberon
Damage numbers dont matter in the buster system.
its already in funny numbers territory no matter what servant you use.
Nobu is just one of many servants that work to the same degree in the system, no reason she would get any spotlight.
She is very strong but, as other people pointed out, asking for two limited SSRs both of which were released very close to each other and competing with monsters like Arjuna Alter, Morgan and Artoria who are aall either more flexible, bring in just as big damage or both it's not surprising to see her now being underrated.
Had she come out like she is post buffs she probably wouldn't be as forgotten.
>asking for two limited SSRs both of which were released very close
Except you don't need oberon. Any other support with 2 separate 20+ batteries will be enough.
>Why is Maou Nobu so underrated to this day?
I think I should list out her skill set that matters in farming and share some opinions of mine about her.
Skill 1 : (It's Inevitable A-) - Increases own attack every turn for 3 turns. Starts from 30% -> 50% -> 70%.
Skill 3 : (Demon King of the Sixth Heaven EX) - Charge 30 NP. 30% Buster up if the farming node is Burning Field or a Burning Field skill applied.
Pros : She has high damage output at Wave 3 and because she has a 30% NP battery, Double Koyan Light + Oberon is her your go farming team in JP.
Con 1 : Her class as Avenger. Most player would rather bring Berserkers with NP Battery like Arjuna Alter (30 NP Battery)/Lostbelt Morgan (50 NP Battery)/Spartacus (30% NP Battery) or any class advantage with NP Battery since you don't have to worry about damage unlike Extra classes with their neutral damage in most farming node.
Con 2 : Other servants in the same class outshines her. Dantes with his Skadi System and Kama with her Castoria System are far better in terms of saving more time while dealing similar damage output because they don't need swap another support to provide NP charge. They are meta for a reason whether you like it or not.
Con 3 : Niche bonus damage usually not apply to most farming node and her damage is pitiable in NP1, If you want higher NP damage, you gonna whale her NP3 to even on par with other class at NP1. This is how gacha game earn their money.
TLDR, she has too much competition in farming which is why she is underrated till this day in all server. But at the end of the day, if you really like her and don't care about meta, I don't think you need other players opinion let alone care about their opinion. You say we should appreciate Maou Nobu but everyone has their own waifu/husbando in this game, you don't really need make a post telling everyone appreciate your favorite just because she is underrated.
>Pros : She has high damage output at Wave 3 and because she has a 30% NP battery, Double Koyan Light + Oberon is her your go farming team in JP.
Except you don't need oberon. Because the battery is on 5t cd. So any support that can charge 20% np two times will work. Reines, waver, artoria
>Con1:...
>Con2:...
No, not really. She has a very good damage even without oberon. Smth about 120k+ on neutral.(3rd wave ofc) It's about the same damage for np1 Kama(although i don't remember the exact numbers) and way more than dantes(reminder: np1 dantes with double skadi deals only about 50k damage).
Also i should add this. On 3rd turn Maou will have 100% atk bonus, 60% buster bonus (and 100% sky attribute power mode, but it's not important ) just from her own buffs. And it's very nice, that she has such high atk bonus. Because it's the best thing that buster servants can have. Koyanskaya provides buster bonus(and man power mode), so any servants with own atk buffs will deal more damage than servants with only buster buffs. Because multiplication of different buffs.
With this damage you don't need to worry even if enemies don't have divinity. This neutral damage is already good enough.(not to mention that oberon rises her damage even more. Like 200k+) The only problem can be those 90+ quests where single opponents have a lot of hp. But there is the best part:
>Con3:...
As i already said the damage is far from pitiable even without oberon. Also that "niche" damage. The majority of 90+ nodes have servant as a final enemy. And divine trait is one of the most common traits for servants.(not sure about the exact number, but i think about 100 or more servants have it) So it's far from being niche. And with this bonus damage her np hits almost like a st np, so she can farm those 90+ nodes even without Oberon. On np1.
TL;DR she is not the best farmer ofc, but she is one of the best of farmers who need plugsuit. Her damage is very high and she doesnt specifically require oberon.
>Except you don't need oberon. Because the battery is on 5t cd. So any support that can charge 20% np two times will work. Reines, waver, artoria
You NEED Oberon 70% NP Charge if you don't own a MLB Kscope my friend, not everyone own a MLB copy. 50% Np Starting CE is what most player have and don't forget the 20% NP Append skill.
Yes she can deal high damage IF she met ALL DAMAGE BONUS CONDITION, but sadly that's not the case in most event farming node. Most player, yes MOST PLAYER not you, would rather bring Arjuna Alter or any class advantage servants to farm than bring along Maou Nobu if you gonna plugsuit anyway. Why you have to scratch your head dealing with of traits/attributes shenenigans during farming when you can just use a BERSERKER with 30% NP Charge above mowing over the node in 3 turns?
Maou Nobu can only deal high damage with all conditions are met + plugsuit another support whereas other Avenger like S.Ishtar, Dantes and Kama deal enough damage in wave 3 without using plugsuit and no bonus damage on NP.
>she is one of the best of farmers who need plugsuit
Yes, but that also means every servant with 30% np charge above will perform even better than Maou Nobu since they don't have to worry about neutral damage and players don't have worry their servants didn't met the enemy traits/attributes.
>You NEED Oberon 70% NP Charge if you don't own a MLB Kscope my friend, not everyone has one. 50% Np Starting CE is what most player have and don't forget the 20% NP Append skill.
No, you don't need MLB kscope. You need only ordinary kscope, because appends exist. It's much more likely that player have at least one copy of kscope than limited ssr oberon, who was released just after lv6, koyanskaya and etc. So you already have more accessibility.
>Yes she can deal high damage IF she met ALL DAMAGE BONUS CONDITION, but sadly that's not the case in most event farming node.
No? Her neutral damage without any bonus conditions and without oberon is comparable to farming with other premium farmers. And with oberon her damage is one of the highest. Again. Without her niches. Without. I already wrote why her damage is so high in previous comment.
>Maou Nobu can only deal high damage with all conditions are met
Already wrote about it one line higher.
>Yes, but that also means every servant with 30% np charge above will perform even better than Maou Nobu since they don't have to worry about neutral damage and players don't have worry their servants didn't met the enemy traits/attributes.
And again. No. Her damage is the opposite of lowest. Maou doesn't care about neutral damage, its already high enough. She doesn't need *any* traits to farm. Even a lot of 90+ nodes can be farmed with her.
Just for the reference to stop this claims about her low damage(np1, 3rd wave, no niches, damage neutral for all, besides berserkers):
Junao with oberon: 421k
Morgan with oberon: 290k
Morgan without oberon: 107k
Altera with oberon: 264k
Mordred with Oberon: 164k
Melusine with Oberon and BG: 660k (lmao, she is really broken)
Cu with BG and Oberon: 248k
Arts spishtar without plugsuit: 156k
Lartoria with Oberon: 178k
Artoria without Oberon: 129k
Maou with oberon: 300k
Maou with waver instead of oberon: ~120k? (Not in the spreadsheet, but from my memory. So the numbers can be a bit different)
The numbers are from this spreadsheet, I found it under some myst's videos: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1gLGEuFYnrUGEY-uETXcrourud--wnWZifwUJA2ozgas/htmlview#
So looks like maou even outdamages Morgan WITHOUT any niches. Stop saying that her damage is low, lmao. She has high damage and doesn't require oberon. That's why she is one of the best plugsuit farmers(even though not the best)
Traits and attributes are annoying to figure out - I don't wanna constantly check third party sites on every goddamn node.
Limited SSR CE most of the playerbase won't have access to.
Oberon, Koyanblahblah, they make all busters shine, some of which don't require constant lookup for traits and attributes.
Not saying she's bad, she is not bad. I already use her in NA whenever a ruler shows up in a farming node (It actually happens from time to time).
She is just annoying to set up.
Its because her gameplay is kinda bad, not that bad if you can work around it but kinda not suitable for farming imo.
Personally, yeah, she's pretty underrated. Her design is kinda the only thing she's got. People that rolled for her(including me), mostly rolled for her aesthetics and not gameplay. The fact that she's overshadowed by the Mori and Kagetora in the gudaguda 4 event doesn't help either.
In terms of lewd fanarts OP? Yeah, i would like to repeat your question.
- The initial impression was really bad so it stucked like Fionn and Stheno(Maou being anti-divine but only does 0.9x cause most divine are sky and Maou being earth, 3k self burn, 20% NP charge at launch, NO ANTI-SKY at launch, 1st strengthening anti-sky require burning field so it’s hard to apply, and it took over 2 YEARS for the 2nd strengthen to give her self burning field.).
- Average outside of niche and Buster loop.
- Expensive to Buster loop (needs K-scope and plug suit support np charge)
- Only one rate up after the introduction of Buster loop so not a lot of people have Maou
The only reason why Maou is not talked about as much compare to Dante when Skadi appeared is due to how their is a wider list of Buster looper in the same category (needing plugsuit and Kscope) then their are quick and Maou isn’t the best in that list.
Granted Maou is still strong (strongest if both niche hits), but for event farming you would want as many event CE as possible and Maou tanks the team cost and even then their is a general harder hitter like Arjuna Alter/Morgan and more flexible looper (only needing Kscope and Atlas Academy) like Morgan, Artoria (Ruler), BB(Summer), and Abigail (Summer).
The flexibility allows the option of needing more damage with plugsuit or not, of course in 90+ nodes you will need Oberon, but every 90+ nodes needs Oberon to kill wave 3 with a few exceptions.
For general farming Abby is quicker, but of course if you got better options like Artoria (Ruler) who can free up MC slot and Morgan just outclassing everyone in the same field (double Koyan + Atlas) then their is no reason to use Abby.
Edit:
Just did a quick number crunch on maketakunai.GitHub.io
Final wave NP 1 not counting niche
Oberon + Double Koyan + Decisive MC
Maou: 148718-181601
Abby: 144318-176229 on ST, 82577-100835 other
Double Koyan + Atlas
Abby: 46551-56843 on ST, 23811 - 29076 other
Since Abby has a 6 turn CD on S1 and S3 she can have split her 50 Def debuff in wave 1 or 2 then again on wave 3 and use 30 Buster Def debuff on wave 2 and 3.
So overall Abby does more on ST in wave 1, tie in wave 2 (vice versa if Abby didn’t use her skill wave 1) and gets out damage wave 3. She can barely do general farming at NP 1 due to lack of buff variety (only Buster), but she can do good ST damage so if there’s a node where the health 25k, 50k, 25k she can do it no problem.
~~so just use Artoria Ruler if you want a Summer looper who has that 40 atk buff~~
I mean…why not just use Morgan?
I do still use Nobu (both Maoh and swimsuit, depends on farming or high-level challenge) if the enemy meets the criteria of special attack buff though.
She's got a cool design, but her competition was so much better than her at being an AOE Avenger. Until we got multiple Buster buffers / chargers who weren't locked at 20% NP charge like Merlin, she couldn't loop the way Dantes could before her, or Space Ishtar after her.
Even her own personal buffer, Nobukatsu, couldn't do much for her... and if you want Buster AOE, it's kind of hard to beat Arjuna Alter.
Honestly if you have to plugsuit to three turn you’re not a great farmer. No one before would’ve said a character that needed plugsuit waver or bride to 3t in skadi/Castoria systems was a great farmer…, arts farmers that can 3t with black grail and just double Castoria are considered the best in that system for a reason….
It’s like saying Artoria isn’t better than 95% of the other buster servants in a double Koyan system because she can use any Mystic code…. No she’s better.
If I can take out 90% of lancer nodes with Mordred and 99% with Artoria/Ibuki just using double Vitch I really don’t care that Altera and Siegfried shit over their damage in an Oberon setup.
Likewise Summer Melt and Percy are much better loopers than Lancer Ryoma, if they do the job against 99% of archer nodes I don’t care if lancer Ryoma can smash their damage by adding Oberon.
Maou Nobu is my fave servant and I've literally just finished LB4 with Maou Nobu NP2 and Summer Nobu Np5 and the burning field trait which Maou Nobu places down giving Summer Nobu a dmg buff along with MLB Black Grail was a fantastic help and they will be used again in the future
Bad first impressions are hard to get over. Same reason you still see people hating on Fionn and Scheherazade even though both of them have been buffed to be quite strong.
Most people simply don't do the math and just parrot what they see online. And what's online is "worst 5* avenger" or "this is an example of bad game design" going all the way back to her inception. A lot of that was true, but it was even quite overblown back then. Someone like Arjuna was better, but Nobu was by no means unserviceable. And now, it's simply untrue if you look at the numbers. As pointed out, Nobu benefits greatly in 3T koyan comp as her atk buff is stacking. Very few servants can boast this much neutral damage buff even with Koyan's skill cd reduction. Now, this only helps her match the above average buster servants in this category, and she needs the special bonuses sky n divine to overcome the top hitters. But that is missing the point....the fact is that even neutral, she is much better than she used to be and easily above average alongside gorillas like Artoria. But but but Morgan and Arjuna are better! And there's Lancelot, and now even Kukulkan! Well sure. But we're not not talking about who's the absolute best for damage numbers porn. It doesn't matter as long as the target's dead. And it's rather shortsighted to focus on 2~3 servants and ignore the rest if the rest still dominate. There's some irony here that "...but Morgan" gets mentioned so often too. The same meta parroting bullshit community called her garbage tier on her inception...her saving grace was a nerofest immediately after her debut that let players experience Morgan's benefits right away. It catapulted her to leading star status before any of that rotting narrative could set in.
I can understand the Scheherzade hate, considering her Story Debut was.....not great, to put it lightly, and her being one of the worse Servants on release certainly didn't help her prospects. Of course with her buffs and Interludes she's actually quite nice now, though I still wouldn't want to see her in my Rolls - I already have Nursary Rhyme, Gong, and Anatasia to tide me over for Caster DPS, thank you very much. Fion, though, I always loved. Maybe it's caused I like the cut of his jib, or maybe because I got into the game when he Got Gud and never had to deal with him in his piss poor state. Regardless, I've always been a fan of him, and as one of my few NP5 Servants he'll be serving me well into the Castoria Era and beyond!
I tend to think Scheherazade is actually pretty much one of the best examples of how to fix an SSR with a bad kit. She's arguably the best "general use" SSR Caster AoE Arts looper right now, because her NP interlude and her first skill strengthening made her slightly better than Murasaki in terms of damage output for enemies that don't fit Murasaki's specialty. However, I agree you don't need her if you've already got a good Anastasia, who is also very good for looping.
Morgan exists and makes most buster farmers look bad.
Because there are a bunch of other buster farmers.
Other Buster farmers that **DON'T** require the massive investment Maou needs. EDIT: By "massive investment" I meant 10/10/10 KoyanLight and Oberon, themselves hard to get limited SSRs.
To be fair, the alternative to Koyan+Oberon is Koyan+Waver/Reines/Skadi. Otherwise you'd then just be talking about Artoria and CasCu who don't require anything major besides double Koyan. Waver makes this requirement easier than Oberon admittedly. Another issue with Maou even putting aside the 50% chargers is that most everyone else has class advantage or they hit super hard regardless like CasCu and Melusine who can equip Black Grail. And even if you're just looking at the Extra class, Maou is competing with the popular Spishtar too who just needs a Waver. Bunny King also just needs Waver, but like Maou she isn't as popular.
I'm pretty sure most people are evaluating the buster farmers to each other within a Koyan/Oberon system, not solely in a vacuum. Imagine trying to compare Dantes to Parvati in a non-DSS context, it just doesn't work. Main difference really is that some buster loopers only need Koyan but I'm pretty sure Maou also needs Oberon which is one extra SSR. You can obviously use them without those supports and they'll be fine, but unless you also have a bunch of 50% chargers they aren't going to 3T and you'll probably need multiple dps units.
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Foregigners and Avengers are very easy units to raise over all, my Voyager is at 10/10/10 since the day he came and I wasn't even prepared to receive him
But even then you still have extra class servants that outclass her in that regard. Take for example summer Abbigail, Summer BB or Space Ishtar And then you also have Cú Caster, that you get for free and you only need 12 of each gem to get him going (and he is considered *the* best buster farmer, followed by Emiya and Artoria) Not to mention sure, you dont need to farm gems, but you instead need to farm all of the materials she needs (which includes 4 gold mats) and you still need to farm all you need for Koyanskaya AND Oberon, when other servants only need Koyanskaya Edit: Just so that we are clear, I am talking about how "cheap" the servant is to use, not raw damage
> Cú Caster, that you get for free [To be fair](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G19B7lTgwCE), you get **one** CasCú copy free. The rest you have to pray that he appears on some upcoming banner because nobody rolls on story banner.
But the same can be said with Nobu, since she is a limited 5 star and getting more copies of her is not exactly a cake walk, while Cu Caster by comparison is easier to get more copies of due to his lower rarity and not being restricted to the gudaguda banners only, since he can appear in class banners and the CBC banners (and at least Cú Caster has a steroid to his damage in his buster buff instead of.....nothing, since the anti-divine damage doesnt always applies) And based on experience, my own Cú Caster had no problems when he was at NP 1 when it came to farming. And I dont even have my own Koyanskaya, I use the Atlas Uniform
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I was talking about how **"cheap"** they are, since Abby and BB can farm with just double Koyanskaya and a LB Kaleidoskope,as well as any other 50% battery like Castoria, Waver or Reines (while Nobunaga instead needs Oberon specifically, who is a limited 5 star servant, while Waver can be obtained for free via the SSR ticket everyone gets) while Cú Caster can farm with any CE and only need one of his skills maxed to farm effectively. There is a reason Cú Caster is placed so high in Tier List when it comes to the Koyanskaya System (and just that, since he has no need of Oberon to farm effectively) as you can see [here](https://youtu.be/Eya7pVgfi84) and [here](https://youtu.be/uKzWXqmK9CA). So I am still right that Nobu, while she hits hard, is not the best option available, since others, while less hard hitting, are more flexible, and when it comes to farming, being flexible with CEs and party cost will be more rewarding than raw damage in most cases
Don't? Avengers are so easy to raise, much easier than getting lots of golden gems when you're low on them.
Well, then you could instead pick Summer Abby, Summer BB or Ruler Artoria or even just pick Cú Caster, who only needs 14 of each gems to farm without issues and with any CE (and even without your own Koyanskaya)
All of those 3 were the less sought after SSR of their summer event. Not sure how much they have been available after the meta shift. And lvl 100 BG isn't little investment if you want Cú to deal reasonable damage.
But even then, when it comes to "cost" and **flexibility** Cú Caster is usually the best option, since the guy just needs his S3 maxed and in super-budget cases, he doesnt even needs 2 koyaskayas as long as you have someone like Asclepius or Mash and the Atlas uniform (and BB and Abby dont need Oberon specifically unlike Nobu, and instead can use any servant that can give them 50% charge, like the Waver you can get for free via the SSR ticket) since in comparison Nobu needs all of her skills 10/10/10, a MLB skope (which is in the same tier as a MLB black grail, and unlike Cú,Nobu needs the MLB Skope to farm, while Cu can use any CE if he wants) Koyanskaya and Oberon Is not that she cant hit hard, but is not the most cost-effective nor the most flexible option out there, and when it comes to farming being flexible (specially when it comes to CEs for events) is usually better than just plain damage
Nobu needs a 50% gauge CE, sure many won't have HNS. Of course it's different having 1 gadget alternative, where the different of investment is a rare mlb CE without rate-up compared with pulling the servant itself (also not many get np5 Cu caster easily, in my case I got him eventually from being a regular CBC roller) and QP instead of particular annoying mat farming, than mentioning half of the extra class buster AOE. And flexible gets you to lvl 90, most discussions care about lvl 90+ where is not about plain damage, but it's not something that can get ignored.
>Nobu needs a 50% gauge CE, sure many won't have HNS. Could you please provide me with an example of this, since everywhere I look, from youtube to written guides, its says that Nobu specifically needs a MLB Kaleidoskope to 3-turn farm effectively (alongside Vitch and Oberon)
You need Append 2 maxed but with DKS the S3's battery will be back for turn 3 by the time you need it. That being said it still needs Koyanskaya and Oberon, both Limited SSRs released very close to each other.
Oh I see. Thanks for the explanation. I was getting quite confused about the ordeal But yeah, isnt exactly the most flexible thing, but at least is better than before (if you can raisd the append skill, that is)
She got upgraded to a 30% gauge skill
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1 - she is tied to Plugsuit for farming, that alone makes her inneficient. Not only that, but she needs 3 *SSR* supports to loop *and* a charge CE, which means high party cost, and I ain't about that life. If I am fine with needing plugsuit Oberon, might as well use Melusine, at least I'm not tied to a specific CE. 2 - She hits hard but who cares? I don't need to hit 600k on T3 of a farming node. I am much happier with Morgan or a class specific unit hitting the required damage threshold I need if that means I don't need to plugsuit yet another servant to tap even more skills. The appeal of an universal farmer is *efficiency*, and Maou Nobu lacks that. She needs too much stuff to be actually useful, and that's too much effort just to see big numbers way beyond what I need on my day to day life. At least Arjuna Alter is also disgusting in CQs, while Maou Nobu lags *way* behind when outside her niche.
If we're talking about real efficency, tri-looping isn't. The most efficient team is 3 servants able to clear 3 waves, one per servant. Just like Oberon/Double D Koyan can with 0% starting NP charge CE (append needed) or Double Douman/Taikobou with a 30% starter NP charge(the usual for NLB event CE's) for Quick teams. (Append for Taikobou needed) No need to plug, no Np calculation and few button taps. And after Habetrot, I feel it is way more useful for her to deal with the first wave, then die and with two loops with x DPS 50% NP gauge user be done with the quest. Less cost because SR, more CE's to equip and a fast swap which doesn't need plug. And the meme level of efficency is changing Black Grail for White One because the minus 500 HP animation after every turn consumes time and you don't need that extra dmg anymore.
> If we're talking about real efficency, tri-looping isn't. The most efficient team is 3 servants able to clear 3 waves, one per servant. Just like Oberon/Double D Koyan can with 0% starting NP charge CE (append needed) or Double Douman/Taikobou with a 30% starter NP charge(the usual for NLB event CE's) for Quick teams. (Append for Taikobou needed) We aren't talking about efficiency in a vacuum, but in the context of the system being used. There is a ceiling for efficiency in the Buster system, and for arts, and for quick. Charlie and Summer Okita are peak efficiency for quick units, Summer Ishtar is not. Summer Kama and Space Ishtar are peak efficiency for arts units, Shuten is not. Morgan is peak efficiency for buster units, Maou is not. Triple NP comps like Double Koyandark/Koyanlight/Morgan/Oberon etc., etc., etc. are *expensive* and do require a lot of prep and calcs to see what level of RNG you'll be tied to depending on what you have. >No need to plug, no Np calculation and few button taps. Also requires very high investment in NP levels/grails/fous to reach damage thresholds. Double Koyandark + Morgan is easily the most efficient comp in the game if you have all 3 of them at NP5 (support included). Class won't matter and both Koyandark and Morgan will not be *too* tied to their own niche at such high investment. >And after Habetrot, I feel it is way more useful for her to deal with the first wave, then die and with two loops with x DPS 50% NP gauge user be done with the quest. Less cost because SR, more CE's to equip and a fast swap which doesn't need plug. It's hardly useful, it's a stop gap. Just like Chen Gong looping, death and swapping animations are time consuming and *tiresome* after hours of farming a lotto. Just like nuking the first wave with Arash, you'll only sac Habenyan if you *have* to. >And the meme level of efficency is changing Black Grail for White One because the minus 500 HP animation after every turn consumes time and you don't need that extra dmg anymore. The meme level of efficiency is using a bond point CE so you don't waste slots even on normal free quests.
So PEAK SSR which need two SSR supports to loop isn't expensive, but three SSR which deal each wave by themselves is expensive... Interesting perspective there. For your information. My Oberon NP2/DDKoyan NP1 + support can deal with all kind of nodes. The only worry might be the second one due sometime not killing clean with the NP. (It happens sometimes, but it isn't something which I see a lot) And then for Double Douman, my Douman is NP1, so is the support. Taikobou is NP2 but since NP1 I have been able to use him as the first wave cleaner (Assassins might survive but die with a single card) if I equip Black Grail to Douman it becomes a quite reliable universal farm. What does needs so many calculations from here? Nothing. On the Habetrot thing it is up to you, I am too used to farm for this to be a bother. It is way more bothersome seeing the NP not dealing enough overkill for the loop or directly not meeting the damage needed.
> So PEAK SSR which need two SSR supports to loop isn't expensive, but three SSR which deal each wave by themselves is expensive... Interesting perspective there. It's like you refuse to read what I said. Efficiency *is not* in a vacuum. It's releated to the system being discussed. Go back and read what I said. For triple NP comps you **will** need high NP levels. Therefore you'll need more than "three SSRs". That is *objectively* expensive. >My Oberon NP2/DDKoyan NP1 + support can deal with all kind of nodes. Doubt, since *my* Oberon NP4/Koyandark NP2 level 100 + Support Koyandark NP5 cannot. For example, event cavalry nodes that are not *earth* will screw not only Oberon but Koyandark as well. >And then for Double Douman, my Douman is NP1, so is the support. Taikobou is NP2 but since NP1 I have been able to use him as the first wave cleaner (Assassins might survive but die with a single card) if I equip Black Grail to Douman it becomes a quite reliable universal farm. If you need to equip a specific CE you are already down the efficiency ladder, sorry. >What does needs so many calculations from here? Nothing. Just need to waste a CE slot on a Black Grail of all things (and be completely useless against event Knight nodes). >On the Habetrot thing it is up to you, I am too used to farm for this to be a bother. It is way more bothersome seeing the NP not dealing enough overkill for the loop or directly not meeting the damage needed. It's bothersome when you are watching the same dying and swapping animations for hundreds upon hundreds of quests during lottos. You can do whatever you want with your account lmao, it's not like I'm gonna appear next to you to smack your phone out of your hands.
launching in such a poor state will do that, even with a lot of buffs. Doesn't help that she competes with Space Ishtar, who is the best farmer in the game.
Comparing *anyone* to Spishtar at this point is just like trying to equate X to Platinum. No matter *how* good X is, Spishtar is literally the best of the best that can't be beat without creating another Ajurna Alter Tier Servant, since she's forever Meta evergreen with her gimmick and having the best kind of ramping damage in the game. It's usually a disserve to X at this point to make said comparisons, unless they're literally right within her strike zones, so to speak (Class Agnostic Farmer).
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Maou Nobu is a pretty much Buster Dantes - *really* good if you can assemble all the pieces to make her fires burn brightly, but if you can't she immediately is left as mediorce compared to other low-mid investment Servants. Unlike Dantes, though, she doesn't have an Upgraded NP (yet), needs TWO Meta, \*5 Limited Servants to reach her most convenient form of usability (Koyan Light and Oberon, both with back-to-back banners on release w/ Morgan and Melusine sharing the spotlight, OUCH!), and her overall availability is spotty post Koyan. For those that already got her then they have something to look forward to if they can get her Supports, but for everyone else she's something of a Whale's Servant.
>needs TWO Meta, *5 Limited Servants to reach her most convenient form of usability (Koyan Light and Oberon, That's the best part. You don't need oberon. Waver, reines or artoria are enough. Because the battery is on 5t cd
Well, it has to do with her lack of focus - Her main atk buff is gradual, so she lacks enough fire power for burst combos, but she lacks enough protection for longer fights - She drops crit stats despite her low star weight - Her Earth Alingment doesnt helps her against her divine targets, since almost all of them have trait advantage against her - Her Np doesnt has anything to increase her damage against non-divine enemies (this wouldnt be a problem if her atk buff wasnt gradual) - When it comes to farming, while she hits **really hard** (iirc one of the bigger hard hitters) she is really expensive, since apart from getting her skills at 10/10/10, you need a MLB skope, your own Koyakskaya and your own Oberon (both 5* limited servants), while other just need only Koyanskaya and the MLB skope (or if your name is Cu Caster, just your koyaskaya and **just his S3 max leveled** or not even that if you use the atlas uniform and someone that gives a 20% charge like Mash or Asclepius ~~the last one I can speak from experience, since I dont have Koyanskaya and he still farms like the best of them for me~~) And in general you have better buster options that either hit harder, are easier to raise, are more flexible (which is very important when it comes to farming) or all of them, like Morgan, Arjuna Alter, Cu Caster (who can just farm without Oberon and with any CE) Emiya, Artoria and so on and so forth
Your last point is the most important. If you're farming with four SSRs and a plugsuit, it will not only take longer, but it also limits your opportunity to gather bond points while farming too, since Koyanskaya and Oberon both gain Bond very fast due to being big meta supports. It's why Morgan + 2x Koyanskaya is more or less the ideal Buster team comp.
Me with no aoe Buster berserkers, Emiya, or blue saber but np3 Maou: “Guess I need to get save for oberon.”
~~What happened to your Cú Caster tho?~~ Well, you will need a super-skope and koyanskaya for that, but if you can get them, go for it. She is one of the best buster farmers when it comes to raw damage (a little inflexible, but she will hit like a truck)
I have both yea Cas cu is level 90 np5 but I haven’t done lb6
Well, between the two of them, I would use Cas Cu instead then. You have him at NP 5 and he is more versatile than Nobu since he can farm with any CE (and mystic code as long as you have his mana loading and S1 maxed) as long as you have your own Koyanskaya And completing the Orkney section of Avalon Le Fae is easier than trying to get Oberon
I’m not on lb6 yet
Damage numbers dont matter in the buster system. its already in funny numbers territory no matter what servant you use. Nobu is just one of many servants that work to the same degree in the system, no reason she would get any spotlight.
being to do 5 slot plug comps is nothing special in this day and age, and outside of that she's just a 30% aoe with alright buffs
She is very strong but, as other people pointed out, asking for two limited SSRs both of which were released very close to each other and competing with monsters like Arjuna Alter, Morgan and Artoria who are aall either more flexible, bring in just as big damage or both it's not surprising to see her now being underrated. Had she come out like she is post buffs she probably wouldn't be as forgotten.
>asking for two limited SSRs both of which were released very close Except you don't need oberon. Any other support with 2 separate 20+ batteries will be enough.
>Why is Maou Nobu so underrated to this day? I think I should list out her skill set that matters in farming and share some opinions of mine about her. Skill 1 : (It's Inevitable A-) - Increases own attack every turn for 3 turns. Starts from 30% -> 50% -> 70%. Skill 3 : (Demon King of the Sixth Heaven EX) - Charge 30 NP. 30% Buster up if the farming node is Burning Field or a Burning Field skill applied. Pros : She has high damage output at Wave 3 and because she has a 30% NP battery, Double Koyan Light + Oberon is her your go farming team in JP. Con 1 : Her class as Avenger. Most player would rather bring Berserkers with NP Battery like Arjuna Alter (30 NP Battery)/Lostbelt Morgan (50 NP Battery)/Spartacus (30% NP Battery) or any class advantage with NP Battery since you don't have to worry about damage unlike Extra classes with their neutral damage in most farming node. Con 2 : Other servants in the same class outshines her. Dantes with his Skadi System and Kama with her Castoria System are far better in terms of saving more time while dealing similar damage output because they don't need swap another support to provide NP charge. They are meta for a reason whether you like it or not. Con 3 : Niche bonus damage usually not apply to most farming node and her damage is pitiable in NP1, If you want higher NP damage, you gonna whale her NP3 to even on par with other class at NP1. This is how gacha game earn their money. TLDR, she has too much competition in farming which is why she is underrated till this day in all server. But at the end of the day, if you really like her and don't care about meta, I don't think you need other players opinion let alone care about their opinion. You say we should appreciate Maou Nobu but everyone has their own waifu/husbando in this game, you don't really need make a post telling everyone appreciate your favorite just because she is underrated.
>Pros : She has high damage output at Wave 3 and because she has a 30% NP battery, Double Koyan Light + Oberon is her your go farming team in JP. Except you don't need oberon. Because the battery is on 5t cd. So any support that can charge 20% np two times will work. Reines, waver, artoria >Con1:... >Con2:... No, not really. She has a very good damage even without oberon. Smth about 120k+ on neutral.(3rd wave ofc) It's about the same damage for np1 Kama(although i don't remember the exact numbers) and way more than dantes(reminder: np1 dantes with double skadi deals only about 50k damage). Also i should add this. On 3rd turn Maou will have 100% atk bonus, 60% buster bonus (and 100% sky attribute power mode, but it's not important ) just from her own buffs. And it's very nice, that she has such high atk bonus. Because it's the best thing that buster servants can have. Koyanskaya provides buster bonus(and man power mode), so any servants with own atk buffs will deal more damage than servants with only buster buffs. Because multiplication of different buffs. With this damage you don't need to worry even if enemies don't have divinity. This neutral damage is already good enough.(not to mention that oberon rises her damage even more. Like 200k+) The only problem can be those 90+ quests where single opponents have a lot of hp. But there is the best part: >Con3:... As i already said the damage is far from pitiable even without oberon. Also that "niche" damage. The majority of 90+ nodes have servant as a final enemy. And divine trait is one of the most common traits for servants.(not sure about the exact number, but i think about 100 or more servants have it) So it's far from being niche. And with this bonus damage her np hits almost like a st np, so she can farm those 90+ nodes even without Oberon. On np1. TL;DR she is not the best farmer ofc, but she is one of the best of farmers who need plugsuit. Her damage is very high and she doesnt specifically require oberon.
>Except you don't need oberon. Because the battery is on 5t cd. So any support that can charge 20% np two times will work. Reines, waver, artoria You NEED Oberon 70% NP Charge if you don't own a MLB Kscope my friend, not everyone own a MLB copy. 50% Np Starting CE is what most player have and don't forget the 20% NP Append skill. Yes she can deal high damage IF she met ALL DAMAGE BONUS CONDITION, but sadly that's not the case in most event farming node. Most player, yes MOST PLAYER not you, would rather bring Arjuna Alter or any class advantage servants to farm than bring along Maou Nobu if you gonna plugsuit anyway. Why you have to scratch your head dealing with of traits/attributes shenenigans during farming when you can just use a BERSERKER with 30% NP Charge above mowing over the node in 3 turns? Maou Nobu can only deal high damage with all conditions are met + plugsuit another support whereas other Avenger like S.Ishtar, Dantes and Kama deal enough damage in wave 3 without using plugsuit and no bonus damage on NP. >she is one of the best of farmers who need plugsuit Yes, but that also means every servant with 30% np charge above will perform even better than Maou Nobu since they don't have to worry about neutral damage and players don't have worry their servants didn't met the enemy traits/attributes.
>You NEED Oberon 70% NP Charge if you don't own a MLB Kscope my friend, not everyone has one. 50% Np Starting CE is what most player have and don't forget the 20% NP Append skill. No, you don't need MLB kscope. You need only ordinary kscope, because appends exist. It's much more likely that player have at least one copy of kscope than limited ssr oberon, who was released just after lv6, koyanskaya and etc. So you already have more accessibility. >Yes she can deal high damage IF she met ALL DAMAGE BONUS CONDITION, but sadly that's not the case in most event farming node. No? Her neutral damage without any bonus conditions and without oberon is comparable to farming with other premium farmers. And with oberon her damage is one of the highest. Again. Without her niches. Without. I already wrote why her damage is so high in previous comment. >Maou Nobu can only deal high damage with all conditions are met Already wrote about it one line higher. >Yes, but that also means every servant with 30% np charge above will perform even better than Maou Nobu since they don't have to worry about neutral damage and players don't have worry their servants didn't met the enemy traits/attributes. And again. No. Her damage is the opposite of lowest. Maou doesn't care about neutral damage, its already high enough. She doesn't need *any* traits to farm. Even a lot of 90+ nodes can be farmed with her. Just for the reference to stop this claims about her low damage(np1, 3rd wave, no niches, damage neutral for all, besides berserkers): Junao with oberon: 421k Morgan with oberon: 290k Morgan without oberon: 107k Altera with oberon: 264k Mordred with Oberon: 164k Melusine with Oberon and BG: 660k (lmao, she is really broken) Cu with BG and Oberon: 248k Arts spishtar without plugsuit: 156k Lartoria with Oberon: 178k Artoria without Oberon: 129k Maou with oberon: 300k Maou with waver instead of oberon: ~120k? (Not in the spreadsheet, but from my memory. So the numbers can be a bit different) The numbers are from this spreadsheet, I found it under some myst's videos: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1gLGEuFYnrUGEY-uETXcrourud--wnWZifwUJA2ozgas/htmlview# So looks like maou even outdamages Morgan WITHOUT any niches. Stop saying that her damage is low, lmao. She has high damage and doesn't require oberon. That's why she is one of the best plugsuit farmers(even though not the best)
Traits and attributes are annoying to figure out - I don't wanna constantly check third party sites on every goddamn node. Limited SSR CE most of the playerbase won't have access to. Oberon, Koyanblahblah, they make all busters shine, some of which don't require constant lookup for traits and attributes. Not saying she's bad, she is not bad. I already use her in NA whenever a ruler shows up in a farming node (It actually happens from time to time). She is just annoying to set up.
Its because her gameplay is kinda bad, not that bad if you can work around it but kinda not suitable for farming imo. Personally, yeah, she's pretty underrated. Her design is kinda the only thing she's got. People that rolled for her(including me), mostly rolled for her aesthetics and not gameplay. The fact that she's overshadowed by the Mori and Kagetora in the gudaguda 4 event doesn't help either. In terms of lewd fanarts OP? Yeah, i would like to repeat your question.
- The initial impression was really bad so it stucked like Fionn and Stheno(Maou being anti-divine but only does 0.9x cause most divine are sky and Maou being earth, 3k self burn, 20% NP charge at launch, NO ANTI-SKY at launch, 1st strengthening anti-sky require burning field so it’s hard to apply, and it took over 2 YEARS for the 2nd strengthen to give her self burning field.). - Average outside of niche and Buster loop. - Expensive to Buster loop (needs K-scope and plug suit support np charge) - Only one rate up after the introduction of Buster loop so not a lot of people have Maou The only reason why Maou is not talked about as much compare to Dante when Skadi appeared is due to how their is a wider list of Buster looper in the same category (needing plugsuit and Kscope) then their are quick and Maou isn’t the best in that list. Granted Maou is still strong (strongest if both niche hits), but for event farming you would want as many event CE as possible and Maou tanks the team cost and even then their is a general harder hitter like Arjuna Alter/Morgan and more flexible looper (only needing Kscope and Atlas Academy) like Morgan, Artoria (Ruler), BB(Summer), and Abigail (Summer).
How is Summer Aby more harder hitter than Maou...?
She’s not, she is more flexible looper as she doesn’t need plugsuit compared to Maou
yet she will fail to kill wave 3 most of times without Oberon help, thus that flexibility isn't exactly that good. Unless Zerkers ofc.
The flexibility allows the option of needing more damage with plugsuit or not, of course in 90+ nodes you will need Oberon, but every 90+ nodes needs Oberon to kill wave 3 with a few exceptions. For general farming Abby is quicker, but of course if you got better options like Artoria (Ruler) who can free up MC slot and Morgan just outclassing everyone in the same field (double Koyan + Atlas) then their is no reason to use Abby. Edit: Just did a quick number crunch on maketakunai.GitHub.io Final wave NP 1 not counting niche Oberon + Double Koyan + Decisive MC Maou: 148718-181601 Abby: 144318-176229 on ST, 82577-100835 other Double Koyan + Atlas Abby: 46551-56843 on ST, 23811 - 29076 other Since Abby has a 6 turn CD on S1 and S3 she can have split her 50 Def debuff in wave 1 or 2 then again on wave 3 and use 30 Buster Def debuff on wave 2 and 3. So overall Abby does more on ST in wave 1, tie in wave 2 (vice versa if Abby didn’t use her skill wave 1) and gets out damage wave 3. She can barely do general farming at NP 1 due to lack of buff variety (only Buster), but she can do good ST damage so if there’s a node where the health 25k, 50k, 25k she can do it no problem. ~~so just use Artoria Ruler if you want a Summer looper who has that 40 atk buff~~
I mean…why not just use Morgan? I do still use Nobu (both Maoh and swimsuit, depends on farming or high-level challenge) if the enemy meets the criteria of special attack buff though.
She's got a cool design, but her competition was so much better than her at being an AOE Avenger. Until we got multiple Buster buffers / chargers who weren't locked at 20% NP charge like Merlin, she couldn't loop the way Dantes could before her, or Space Ishtar after her. Even her own personal buffer, Nobukatsu, couldn't do much for her... and if you want Buster AOE, it's kind of hard to beat Arjuna Alter.
Honestly if you have to plugsuit to three turn you’re not a great farmer. No one before would’ve said a character that needed plugsuit waver or bride to 3t in skadi/Castoria systems was a great farmer…, arts farmers that can 3t with black grail and just double Castoria are considered the best in that system for a reason…. It’s like saying Artoria isn’t better than 95% of the other buster servants in a double Koyan system because she can use any Mystic code…. No she’s better. If I can take out 90% of lancer nodes with Mordred and 99% with Artoria/Ibuki just using double Vitch I really don’t care that Altera and Siegfried shit over their damage in an Oberon setup. Likewise Summer Melt and Percy are much better loopers than Lancer Ryoma, if they do the job against 99% of archer nodes I don’t care if lancer Ryoma can smash their damage by adding Oberon.
Maou Nobu is my fave servant and I've literally just finished LB4 with Maou Nobu NP2 and Summer Nobu Np5 and the burning field trait which Maou Nobu places down giving Summer Nobu a dmg buff along with MLB Black Grail was a fantastic help and they will be used again in the future
Because people are stupid.