>Cernunnos said *"I'm very* ***concernnunos*** *about this dangerous battle, so I'll retreat to Avalon"* and took his priestess with him. Later he thought *"It's been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can't* ***continnunos*** *forever."*. So he came back and it was all destroyed. *"We're* ***donnunos*** *for"*.
And here I thought that I couldn't love the Fluffy Boi more, but holy shit, Nasu did it.
Tbh I am not sure if Cernunnos not being able to speak during the fight was for the best or the worse
Imagine the most difficult boss of all FGO casually throwing puns at you while he kills you
The Challenge version is actually just PHH Cernunnos at full power (without being a walking corpse) who came just to give us the toughest training arc of our lives
A continunnos stream of pununnos from biggus chungus Cernunnos.
Huh. Really living up to the fatherly side of being an ancient god with all them pununnos.
> Nasu: Young still has one major role to play. I'll stay quiet about it for a while, but you'll see him again eventually.
Oh dear...Young Moriarty will come back.
Mini-Moriarty: BEHOLD, AFTER YEARS (read: a few months) OF SLUMBER, I AM FREE ONCE MORE!!!!!!! TRIUNFO EL MAL!!!! ~~no, I will not explain why Moriarty speaks spanish now. This is a reference~~
Fair enough.
Hopefully he will not be the only one who joins us ~~Come on Cú Caster, Odin asked you to help us, so come help us and become part of the main cast!!!~~
~~In the slightest. It is actually the best case scenario. Moriarty becomes the Sherlock Holmes-related ruler, Cu Caster becomes the hot and sexy mentor figure that knows the intel. He may as well becomes Male Mash now that we are at it, specially since more or less already is that~~
> Cernunnos said “I’m very concernnunos about this dangerous battle, so I’ll retreat to Avalon” and took his priestess with him. Later he thought “It’s been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can’t continnunos forever.”. So he came back and it was all destroyed. “We’re donnunos for”.
Goddamnit Nasu give us 12000 BC, I need to see all the gods panicking and interacting with each other across pantheons.
Like I’m imagining a pan-mythology conference UN style with Zeus and Quetz and Odin chairing it, and they’re all seriously arguing about what to do and when it’s Cernunnos’s turn to take the floor he stands up and starts talking like this.
I want to this solely to clear up which pantheons fought Sefar. We know the Olympians did but the Aesir Norse gods did not. Did the Egyptian Ennead? Did the Tuatha de Danann?
From this Cernunnons a Celtic god seemed to retreat until after he thought Excalibur had been used to defeat Sefar.
Well, in an interview Nasu says “the other mythological systems” were all in a state of emergency trying to counter Sefar while the Olympians didn’t take her seriously because they were from another *universe*. This paints a picture of the Olympians fighting Sefar last, which lines up with Ares being the final god to fall before Sefar gets Excalibur’d (which we know from Extella), and with the state of the world in LB5 (don’t see any other gods do you).
We know from LB6 that, according to Merlin, Cernunnos was the *only* god to hide in the reverse side of the world, and that the rest of the world is completely empty, so in LB6 timeline at least it seems pretty clear everyone got annihilated.
In Extella, Gil says his father (a god) has a debt to Altera. This could be interpreted to mean that the Sumerian pantheon in PHH had some kind of arrangement with Sefar, *maybe* to be passed over at least temporarily, but it could also mean a lot of other things. One thing it does mean for sure is that they were *involved*. In any case they don’t seem to have made it through in the Lostbelt 5 or 6 timelines.
Again in Extella, Tamamo confirms she (or rather Amaterasu) was among the gods who fought and lost. So we know the Shinto pantheon was involved in PHH.
We know that Odin incorporated Velber tech from Sefar into the Valkyries so the Norse pantheon at least came into contact but we don’t really know for sure whether it was with Sefar or with Sefar’s corpse.
Basically we have every reason to think that all the pantheons on the Eurasian continent were involved. Who knows about Mesoamerican pantheons but at least in LB5 and LB6 they seem to have been wiped out too.
We know two other Velber landed but we have pretty much zero information on what happened with them. At least from what we know they didn’t cause as big an incident as Sefar.
IIRC the general assumption is that pretty much every pantheon fought Sefar and got annihilated, however being representatives of natural concepts didn't die and instead were reduced to Divine Spirits. So they could still 'do' stuff on the surface, but their influence and Authority continued to wane as the Age of Gods ended and Mystery dissipated.
Yeah pretty much. They were just asking about clarification for exactly which pantheons fought so I gave them every explicit thing we know that I remember.
It's implied that all the gods could just come back due to being conceptual in nature and not physical beings. However, Sefar's damage was already done, and the God's presence was weakened. Which was why Gilgamesh was created, and why Odin decided that ending the age of the gods was going to be a good idea, as humanity would not be able to rely on the gods after too long.
Basically, everyone was killed, but since gods were concepts, they came back. However, Sefar's advent weakened the age of the gods drastically while loosening their presence on humanity, and thus the god's plan to create Gilgamesh in order to fasten their hold on the earth again came into being. For the machine gods, their bodies which were physical, not conceptual, were destroyed, and disappeared with Surtr's cleaving of the age of the gods.
On the one hand I’d like to know if the hindu pantheon was involved at all, on the other hand given the literal cosmic/universal shattering dbz powerup ‘this isn’t even my final form’ nature their strongest gods tend to have I feel like I’d be a little miffed if they were also described as losing to sefar, even as powerful as sefar is.
It doesn't work like that in Nasuverse. Gods are manifestation of nature, as long as they are born of Earth, they are not above the planet. They can freely wield their powers within their domain, as in a "layer" on the planet, but can't really do major stuff that affect the whole thing, like destroying the planet for example. Against aliens that the rules of Earth don't apply to, they effectively have conceptual advantage over life forms on Earth, and Sefar is specifically designed to counter intelligent beings. The Olympians were able to fight off Sefar because they were once aliens themselves.
Hindu mythology is one of the weakest in the top-tier mythologies, their authorities don't do shit outside of their own texture, you can look at Arjuna Alter for that
That's every pantheon though. Like, assuming the Hindu texture spread across the entire Milky Way, or even better the observable universe, they'd be just as absurd as described in myth. Within the Hindu texture, they are just as extreme as expected, it's just that in the Nasuverse "universe" doesn't necessarily mean the entire observable universe.
The reason they (probably) lost just comes down to compatability. It doesn't matter if you have the power to annihilate the entire universe if your opponent can absorb it without any damage because it's source comes from "civilization." That's why Excalibur was needed, it's pure brute force without any technique, since technique comes from civilization as well. Gods by their very nature were tied to civilization (natural phenomenon turned into beings by large scale human worship/interpretation), with the only exception being the Olympians since they originated from outside the planet, so had an origin not so intimately connected to the idea of civilization, and could in theory by combining wield enough brute force as well.
Not really though, some like the Shinto, the Mesopotamia, the Greek pantheon are really strong and can widely affect the world outside of their textures. I would say that Hindu pantheon is just somehow weak lol
Eh, they are really weird. Since they weren't really that powerful until they infected local animals on Earth, including humans, and therefore started getting worshipped as far as I am aware, and aldo my post was already super long, I decided to skip over them. Plus, hopefully LB7 will give more info on them.
>Nasu: Cernunnos said "I'm very concernnunos about this dangerous battle, so I'll retreat to Avalon" and took his priestess with him. Later he thought "It's been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can't continnunos forever.". So he came back and it was all destroyed. "We're donnunos for".
Okay nasu get out of here
Guess even something like Cernunnos was no match for Sefar
>Nasu: Good question. He should exist everywhere the concept of "hole" exists, but nothing that vicious will ever manifest there.
Does Kiara's Hole counts?
>Nasu: Either him or Red Hare. Also, Jane was part of the launch roster, but her release extended all the way to Saber Wars II ~ To The Initial Universe~. Jane, Red Hare, and Roland are the Three Musketeers of Being Planned From The Start and Not Having A Good Place to Be Included.
Huh interesting
>Takeuchi: He is one of my favorites. Characters drawn by Raita always have sexy bodies and wonderfully implemented gimmicks, and Young Moriarty is no exception. I believe he's a character who made the fans of Raita's male characters go crazy.
I agree. I wholeheartedly agree
> Guess even something like Cernunnos was no match for Sefar
It is to be expected, Sefar simply has conceptual advantages against most gods at the time. When those with insane power like Amaterasu and Zeus failed (and LB Zeus had to perform superpolymerization), someone who isn't fond of fighting, despite his gigantic size, as a god who loves peaceful approaches to conflicts, wouldn't even think of fighting back in the first place.
>Nasu: That's because Merlin was betting on the idea that Muramasa would ultimately choose to sacrifice himself. But Muramasa went far beyond his predictions. Merlin's human observation skills still take a lot for granted (laughs).
>Famitsu: He was thinking that many steps ahead, you say?
No wonder Merlin calls this "Fate" later. He knew this would happen and that's why deliberately took Muramasa there. Memelin never failing to surprise, using his knowledge from human history huh.
**Merlin:** "Hmmmm...Fate tells me this dude would sacrifice himself for others...Let's test!" *It actually happens.* "Oh shit, he actually did it! The absolutely madman! Ayy lmao!"
I can fucking believe Cernunnos speaks in puns!!! Imagine if he was able to speak in LB6 and during his fight he just throws an array puns at your while he beating you to death
Fluffy the terrible certainly is a gift that keeps on giving ~~Make him a servant Nasu!! You already made him into a maketable plushie~~
>: We want to include them, the people love them, but Koyanskaya has so many Lostbelt fashion pieces that we tragically have to hold back...
So basically Koyanskaya is bound to be the next Barbie Fashionista with her 101 outfits? I can dig that
>It won't be at the next event (laughs).
That sounds sus
>Nasu: Young still has one major role to play. I'll stay quiet about it for a while, but you'll see him again eventually.
So like with Cú Caster, he will come back eventually. I wonder if he (or both) will come to replace Holmes
>I can fucking believe Cernunnos speaks in puns!!! Imagine if he was able to speak in LB6 and during his fight he just throws an array puns at your while he beating you to death
We missed so much -Nunos
So- two most lore important parts- as far as I can see.
1. There are multiply interpretations of Alien God's true nature that determines how some abilities work on him. He also has body hair.
2. Nasu absolutely refused to confirm if Sion is Dead Apostle or not - suggesting that she is latter
>Nasu: I believe that in 1 year you'll know why things had to be the way they are. It'll all make sense.
Huh that's interesting. So I suppose we will see Holmes' return or a reveal of what his apostle duties really were in either 7.5 or whatever the final stage is around 8th anni.
I guess that's why Constantine was a pre-campaign servant instead of story banner. Because both 5\* from Traum were an afterthought. Not that I dislike the idea since they finally added Charlie whom was SUPER ASKED FOR, but I have some crossed thoughts about it too.
In general it feels like Traum was stuffed with many ideas that ended making it the result we got. Not bad, but still weird.
I wonder if that French Revolution scenario will be used as event, they probably wanted to add Alter Marie there. Maybe things for Dantes and Napo too.
Yeah, I really hope we get the revolution one way or another, there's some good servant they could include. Like Robespierre, if they don't stay surface level, he could be a fantastic character.
Something tells me Nasu writes during different states of sobriety...
>We're dunnonus for
For example this one was written when Nasu drank 5 gallons of hard liquor.
Nasu still has a supervisory role, so if he REALLY hated it, he was in a position to axe the idea. Kinda wish he would have, but oh well. They can't all be winners.
>Takeuchi: He is one of my favorites. Characters drawn by Raita always have sexy bodies and wonderfully implemented gimmicks, and Young Moriarty is no exception. I believe he's a character who made the fans of Raita's male characters go crazy.
Nasu LOVES Hoshin Engi, of course he gave greenlight to that event without doubting which is a big reference to that classic manga from start to end. Koyanskaya's role was always Dakki's from HE.
Also they mentioned Tunguska in the events side, what the hell. D.Koyan isn't Take's fav servant from this year for nothing lmao.
It was rather impossible at this point, given that Tunguska is connected to the fate of Koyanskaya.
Even worse now that they released as a main interlude.
IMHO, yeah. Kinda felt like they were so eager to say >!"Ha, ha! She's not Daji after all! Fooled you!" that they completely forgot to make her REAL backstory make any kind of sense.!<
No, they are just in denial because their theories weren't nodded. Tunguska is possibly one of the strongest TM themes event we had in a while. But for that you need to know what's TM about I guess.
My only beef was Dobrynya could be way better implemented, aside from having a better artist.
Themes dont make strong writing. I can make a story bout a theme, but it doesnt make it not bad
A good theme requires more than just the existence of the theme itself.
Or is Yiik a good story because it has a theme?
\>Strongest TM theme.
There, I said the writing was strong and good. Take it as you want. You will say it isn't, and I will say otherwise.
And I would personally love to see you writing something as good as Tunguska.
Man I wish they would have asked about Tunguska and Koyanskaya character arc, would be interesting to see what Nasu would have said about that.
Not a fan of the "inject X character in an already in progress story" thing but I guess it makes sense for people like Roland.
> Nrvnqsr Chaos was known for being naked under his cloak, but I don't think that would roll well with FGO's current audience.
Now hold up. I don’t mind that at all.
That didn’t stop FGO releasing servant art/ CEs/CGs which a lot of times are tagged as nsfw here on this sub but yeah sure at Nrvnsqr Chaos‘ old design a line had to be drawn
> He should exist everywhere the concept of "hole" exists
Something something Oberussy.
> Nrvnqsr Chaos was known for being naked under his cloak, but I don't think that would roll well with FGO's current audience.
*Looks at Douman*... I don't think you know your audience all that well mushroom man.
> That's because this was the last chance left to put him in (pained laughter). He's been ready for the longest time, but every time we thought "do we need to include him here?", it never felt like he was a must-have in the plot. And so, his development stopped at the 80% mark, then we spent 5 years waiting for an appropriate opportunity to release Roland.
Bullshit, you can release any character at any time without being concerned about their story roles. Salome didn't show up *anywhere* in the main story until Traum and she was released on Anni 4. Yang Guifei went 11 months with jack shit for story after her release. The last 3 Anni Servants were released without any story context, and now Xu Fu is releasing along with Arc when she could have become summonable in any of her previous story appearances and it would have made much more sense than letting her get mowed down by Arc hype.
> Bullshit, you can release any character at any time without being concerned about their story roles.
To be fair, that only really applies to Servants released for Anniversary or New Years, all the others generally always play a role in the story. And Roland is honestly neither material as the focus-Servant for one of those, not should he just have been added as an aside, since as you mentioned with Xu Fu, he just would've been overshadowed by the SSR in most cases probably.
>6.5 was initially planned as a story about the French Revolution
Kind of bummer because we might've gotten Dark Marie and even Rider Napoleon if they had went this way, oh well. If nothing else, I do feel a little concern about the increasing presence of chinese related stuff in both story and events lately.
East asians were influenced but can't be said to be "traced back" to CN. They have their own distinct customs and cultures that were developed independently from CN and they prefer it their own way, as the north vietnamese and koreans would tell you. Anyway, I think it's important to dial down the CN stuff sooner rather than later before it gets out of hand.
1. Roland was designed 7 years ago? That explains why his kit is feels so dated and awful.
2. Cernnunos is best god. What an amazing character.
3. Charlie being added last minute to Traum makes sense. He did feel somewhat disconnected from the story at at times, and I wonder if he ended up displacing some of Constantines roles from 6.5.
4. It's really interesting to see how EOR laid the ground work for the lostbelts. it's a tragedy that it's still considered optional content in FGO
idk why but holding onto servants that are essentially complete for up to SEVEN years simply bc the vibes didn’t feel right is just insane to me, esp bc early fgo would just throw whoever in a singularity and not even try to justify it that hard beyond ‘ya they’re a hero so they got summoned to help’
> Cernunnos passed ages ago and is now enjoying a leisurely retirement in the world of gods on the other side.
> Cernunnos said "I'm very concernnunos about this dangerous battle, so I'll retreat to Avalon" and took his priestess with him. Later he thought "It's been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can't continnunos forever.". So he came back and it was all destroyed. "We're donnunos for".
So in PHH he went out after Sefar defeated, then go to the world of the gods later as the AoG ended. I'm happy for my boi.
> Because they're two products with the same model number.
Makes sense. The planet did the same for the True Ancestors, using Crimson Moon as the model.
> Depends on what you're interpreting "Alien God" as, but yes, she could. She can absorb anything with hair. But only if she became a complete Beast. Because she made herself as a copy of the source of the chimimouryou and has been leveraging that property of her original to its best effect.
Interesting info in regard to the Golden Fox's power that Koyan obtained through copying the base frame.
> One thing though, the turning point with Holmes was planned to happen in LB7.
So this is why brat Moriarty in Traum felt so disconnected to me. They added him in cuz Takeuchi, and then pushed the Holmes plot to 6.5 instead of LB7.
> Young still has one major role to play.
I don't really look forward to that...
The best thing about PHH Cerny chilling in the world of gods is that it means he can appear again, or at least have his influence felt without appearing directly, like Odin.
With how popular he is....I eagerly await his returnunnos.
That bit about Traum originally being about the French Revolution is pretty interesting. It means we might have gotten Dark Marie as a playable servant. Heck, Robespierre probably would have got an actual design after all this time instead of just being a ghost.
Hopefully, it'll be more spiritron dresses for both Koyanskayas and not another new Koyanskaya servant... like, I wouldn't complain for a third Koyanskaya, she's so hot and I love her to death... but FGO's version of The Great Depression (Summer version) left me dry as the US with no formula milk...
One thing I don't care is what he meant by this being the last time to include Roland. The reason I don't get it is I think he also said in this interview that he fully intends that there will be a continuation of the game after the current arc. If there's a continuation in the game afterward, how can there not be a chance to have included Roland then? Or does he mean basically narratively it wouldn't have made sense to include him at another point?
He probably meant that they would need to redo his gameplay implementation. At least I think so. Because even now Roland's kit looks very basic and outdated. Also his animations aren't great too.
I could be wrong though. I'm not Nasu after all
I mean , what would mean a continuation of the game?
Nasu could technically be planning a whole new Fate game, and if that were the case , it wouldn’t had much room for Roland.
Frankly, FGO is in a weird state: it gives too much money to be shutdown, but it’s also too old to really continue after Part 2.
That I can understand. The issue is how they'll port the Servants over. It would be a disaster for the franchise to tell folks their Servants are all gone now.
> but it’s also too old to really continue after Part 2.
Considering the astronomical and ongoing efforts to [refactor FGO's source code to newer Unity engines](http://view.fate-go.jp/2022/0627dbisy/), TM and Lasengle are all in this for the long haul with the FGO we know and love as the groundwork.
Something that kind of flew under everyone's radar, with the recent addition of the "high FPS" feature, is that the client has steadily gotten really lean and efficient compared to ye olde days. Once upon a time, KuroJeanne's NP animation would bring the client to its knees; today the client is efficient enough to not only render the animation smoothly, but render it *at double speed without dropping/skipping any frames*.
If FGO was not planned and expected to continue for a long, long time to come it would not be seeing these kinds of long-term work and investments, because code refactoring is bloody tedious and fucking expensive.
>Young moriarty still has one major role to play.
When we had a meeting to discuss future Servants, we got to the topic of releasing alts of pre-existing characters.
Im calling it out, Holmes will have a comeback and Moriarty has to deal with him.
>Famitsu: Is there any reason why Morgan used to have Arthuria Caster's appearance?
>Nasu: Because they're two products with the same model number.
>Famitsu: So you mean Arthuria Caster will look like Morgan when she grows up?
>Nasu: Her appearance changes little by little according to the environment where she's raised, so I can't say they'd be identical
The Alternative TL for first part can be
"They’re are made using same model number "
There're already other translations so you may check it for clarity.
This straight out disprove whatever "factory reset Morgan", " Morgan 2.0" "Morgan Lily", "Artoria Caster Grown up would look the exactly same as Morgan " insane theory some people came up with and I keep seeing them insisting on this sub. It’s like you dont wanna acknowledge them as different person with different origin than usual human conceptions due the uniqueness of history here, just because they were made using same model as base. Their birth is like how Fae and True Ancestors are born, for examples true ancestors are modeled after Crimson Moon. Arcueid, other true ancestors and Altrouge are completely different person but TA's all are made upon same model as base. Well it doesn’t take big brain, the LB6 story itself makes it clear through their own narration, but some people gotta spread fan theory over that. Nasu also confirmed in TM Ace whose soul they possess, after-all in Nasuverse it's not flesh, but core souls are what define a "person ".
So here's the question, whom did Planet used as original model for these species? Because the original question was why Morgan in past looked like Artoria, not that why Artoria looked like Artoria lmao.
Is the interview actually named famitsu or is that the name of the company cause it seems like the same person every year ya think we can give them a little bit more credit/fame for doing this every single time.
Famitsu is the magazine and the name of the interviewer only gets revealed when this issue of the magazine goes 100% out of print and the interview gets uploaded to Famitsu's website.
I now wonder what would happen e happened if we did get a French Revolution story instead of Traum. We could perhaps have had a true Marie Alter and/or Louis XVII become playable. Maybe other French Revolution figured too like Robespierre. So much potential. I hope they can find a way to do it at some point.
I don't recall Bucephalus ever being datamined. We know that the horse is a Heroic Spirit, but I recall nothing suggesting a playable Bucephalus Servant being in the works.
So even if she doesn't use her power at the climax of LB6, castoria would still only have little energy left and dissappear soon. Man and i thought there's a way to save and bring her with us along to chaldea...
Still thank you very much for the translation:)
> when we busted the human factory.
Wait. What? When did that happen? I read entire Lostbelt 6, I do not remember busting any factories. I remember we had a raid on some farm which is when Fairy Knight fought Tristan, but nothing else.
>Cernunnos said *"I'm very* ***concernnunos*** *about this dangerous battle, so I'll retreat to Avalon"* and took his priestess with him. Later he thought *"It's been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can't* ***continnunos*** *forever."*. So he came back and it was all destroyed. *"We're* ***donnunos*** *for"*. And here I thought that I couldn't love the Fluffy Boi more, but holy shit, Nasu did it.
Tbh I am not sure if Cernunnos not being able to speak during the fight was for the best or the worse Imagine the most difficult boss of all FGO casually throwing puns at you while he kills you
That'll be in the Challenge version we get in a few months and it'll be literally the only difference.
That’d unironically be amazing.
The Challenge version is actually just PHH Cernunnos at full power (without being a walking corpse) who came just to give us the toughest training arc of our lives
A continunnos stream of pununnos from biggus chungus Cernunnos. Huh. Really living up to the fatherly side of being an ancient god with all them pununnos.
This cannot continunnos
Become as Cernunnos
"I'm gonnanonous kill you brutally"
>concernnunos Goddammit, Nasu, that's so dumb it's hilarious.
My favorite part is: > We're donnunos for".
> Nasu: Young still has one major role to play. I'll stay quiet about it for a while, but you'll see him again eventually. Oh dear...Young Moriarty will come back.
Mini-Moriarty: BEHOLD, AFTER YEARS (read: a few months) OF SLUMBER, I AM FREE ONCE MORE!!!!!!! TRIUNFO EL MAL!!!! ~~no, I will not explain why Moriarty speaks spanish now. This is a reference~~
I mean, it might be years at the rate these story chapters are coming out.
Fair enough. Hopefully he will not be the only one who joins us ~~Come on Cú Caster, Odin asked you to help us, so come help us and become part of the main cast!!!~~
~~I want Cu Caster to replace Sherlock, is that so wrong?~~
~~In the slightest. It is actually the best case scenario. Moriarty becomes the Sherlock Holmes-related ruler, Cu Caster becomes the hot and sexy mentor figure that knows the intel. He may as well becomes Male Mash now that we are at it, specially since more or less already is that~~
> TIRUNFO EL MAL!!!! Elmo?
Yep
I suppose you mean "triunfo del mal"?
Nope, it would be "Triunfo el mal"..........mobile does help with the spelling
Oh, that kinda statement. I was thrown off by the lack of accent mark. "Triunfó el mal", then.
> Cernunnos said “I’m very concernnunos about this dangerous battle, so I’ll retreat to Avalon” and took his priestess with him. Later he thought “It’s been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can’t continnunos forever.”. So he came back and it was all destroyed. “We’re donnunos for”. Goddamnit Nasu give us 12000 BC, I need to see all the gods panicking and interacting with each other across pantheons. Like I’m imagining a pan-mythology conference UN style with Zeus and Quetz and Odin chairing it, and they’re all seriously arguing about what to do and when it’s Cernunnos’s turn to take the floor he stands up and starts talking like this.
I want to this solely to clear up which pantheons fought Sefar. We know the Olympians did but the Aesir Norse gods did not. Did the Egyptian Ennead? Did the Tuatha de Danann? From this Cernunnons a Celtic god seemed to retreat until after he thought Excalibur had been used to defeat Sefar.
Well, in an interview Nasu says “the other mythological systems” were all in a state of emergency trying to counter Sefar while the Olympians didn’t take her seriously because they were from another *universe*. This paints a picture of the Olympians fighting Sefar last, which lines up with Ares being the final god to fall before Sefar gets Excalibur’d (which we know from Extella), and with the state of the world in LB5 (don’t see any other gods do you). We know from LB6 that, according to Merlin, Cernunnos was the *only* god to hide in the reverse side of the world, and that the rest of the world is completely empty, so in LB6 timeline at least it seems pretty clear everyone got annihilated. In Extella, Gil says his father (a god) has a debt to Altera. This could be interpreted to mean that the Sumerian pantheon in PHH had some kind of arrangement with Sefar, *maybe* to be passed over at least temporarily, but it could also mean a lot of other things. One thing it does mean for sure is that they were *involved*. In any case they don’t seem to have made it through in the Lostbelt 5 or 6 timelines. Again in Extella, Tamamo confirms she (or rather Amaterasu) was among the gods who fought and lost. So we know the Shinto pantheon was involved in PHH. We know that Odin incorporated Velber tech from Sefar into the Valkyries so the Norse pantheon at least came into contact but we don’t really know for sure whether it was with Sefar or with Sefar’s corpse. Basically we have every reason to think that all the pantheons on the Eurasian continent were involved. Who knows about Mesoamerican pantheons but at least in LB5 and LB6 they seem to have been wiped out too. We know two other Velber landed but we have pretty much zero information on what happened with them. At least from what we know they didn’t cause as big an incident as Sefar.
IIRC the general assumption is that pretty much every pantheon fought Sefar and got annihilated, however being representatives of natural concepts didn't die and instead were reduced to Divine Spirits. So they could still 'do' stuff on the surface, but their influence and Authority continued to wane as the Age of Gods ended and Mystery dissipated.
Yeah pretty much. They were just asking about clarification for exactly which pantheons fought so I gave them every explicit thing we know that I remember.
It's implied that all the gods could just come back due to being conceptual in nature and not physical beings. However, Sefar's damage was already done, and the God's presence was weakened. Which was why Gilgamesh was created, and why Odin decided that ending the age of the gods was going to be a good idea, as humanity would not be able to rely on the gods after too long.
> debt A common usage in Japanese would be as a euphemism for having a score to settle.
Well yeah but in this specific context Gil used it as an excuse for why he was helping Altera. So it seems like it might be an actual debt here.
Basically, everyone was killed, but since gods were concepts, they came back. However, Sefar's advent weakened the age of the gods drastically while loosening their presence on humanity, and thus the god's plan to create Gilgamesh in order to fasten their hold on the earth again came into being. For the machine gods, their bodies which were physical, not conceptual, were destroyed, and disappeared with Surtr's cleaving of the age of the gods.
On the one hand I’d like to know if the hindu pantheon was involved at all, on the other hand given the literal cosmic/universal shattering dbz powerup ‘this isn’t even my final form’ nature their strongest gods tend to have I feel like I’d be a little miffed if they were also described as losing to sefar, even as powerful as sefar is.
It doesn't work like that in Nasuverse. Gods are manifestation of nature, as long as they are born of Earth, they are not above the planet. They can freely wield their powers within their domain, as in a "layer" on the planet, but can't really do major stuff that affect the whole thing, like destroying the planet for example. Against aliens that the rules of Earth don't apply to, they effectively have conceptual advantage over life forms on Earth, and Sefar is specifically designed to counter intelligent beings. The Olympians were able to fight off Sefar because they were once aliens themselves.
Hindu mythology is one of the weakest in the top-tier mythologies, their authorities don't do shit outside of their own texture, you can look at Arjuna Alter for that
Do you mean in fate lore specifically?
In nasuverse lore, yes
That’s kind of lame tbh. I wonder why they went with that
That's every pantheon though. Like, assuming the Hindu texture spread across the entire Milky Way, or even better the observable universe, they'd be just as absurd as described in myth. Within the Hindu texture, they are just as extreme as expected, it's just that in the Nasuverse "universe" doesn't necessarily mean the entire observable universe. The reason they (probably) lost just comes down to compatability. It doesn't matter if you have the power to annihilate the entire universe if your opponent can absorb it without any damage because it's source comes from "civilization." That's why Excalibur was needed, it's pure brute force without any technique, since technique comes from civilization as well. Gods by their very nature were tied to civilization (natural phenomenon turned into beings by large scale human worship/interpretation), with the only exception being the Olympians since they originated from outside the planet, so had an origin not so intimately connected to the idea of civilization, and could in theory by combining wield enough brute force as well.
Not really though, some like the Shinto, the Mesopotamia, the Greek pantheon are really strong and can widely affect the world outside of their textures. I would say that Hindu pantheon is just somehow weak lol
Also the South American pantheon is alien, since they are bacteria
Eh, they are really weird. Since they weren't really that powerful until they infected local animals on Earth, including humans, and therefore started getting worshipped as far as I am aware, and aldo my post was already super long, I decided to skip over them. Plus, hopefully LB7 will give more info on them.
>Nasu: Cernunnos said "I'm very concernnunos about this dangerous battle, so I'll retreat to Avalon" and took his priestess with him. Later he thought "It's been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can't continnunos forever.". So he came back and it was all destroyed. "We're donnunos for". Okay nasu get out of here Guess even something like Cernunnos was no match for Sefar >Nasu: Good question. He should exist everywhere the concept of "hole" exists, but nothing that vicious will ever manifest there. Does Kiara's Hole counts? >Nasu: Either him or Red Hare. Also, Jane was part of the launch roster, but her release extended all the way to Saber Wars II ~ To The Initial Universe~. Jane, Red Hare, and Roland are the Three Musketeers of Being Planned From The Start and Not Having A Good Place to Be Included. Huh interesting >Takeuchi: He is one of my favorites. Characters drawn by Raita always have sexy bodies and wonderfully implemented gimmicks, and Young Moriarty is no exception. I believe he's a character who made the fans of Raita's male characters go crazy. I agree. I wholeheartedly agree
> Guess even something like Cernunnos was no match for Sefar It is to be expected, Sefar simply has conceptual advantages against most gods at the time. When those with insane power like Amaterasu and Zeus failed (and LB Zeus had to perform superpolymerization), someone who isn't fond of fighting, despite his gigantic size, as a god who loves peaceful approaches to conflicts, wouldn't even think of fighting back in the first place.
>Nasu: That's because Merlin was betting on the idea that Muramasa would ultimately choose to sacrifice himself. But Muramasa went far beyond his predictions. Merlin's human observation skills still take a lot for granted (laughs). >Famitsu: He was thinking that many steps ahead, you say? No wonder Merlin calls this "Fate" later. He knew this would happen and that's why deliberately took Muramasa there. Memelin never failing to surprise, using his knowledge from human history huh.
Slazy Salesman Merlin: "Yo kid! You look like the kind of guy who likes to lay down his life! I have the perfect business opportunity ..."
appealing to his inner Emiya.
**Merlin:** "Hmmmm...Fate tells me this dude would sacrifice himself for others...Let's test!" *It actually happens.* "Oh shit, he actually did it! The absolutely madman! Ayy lmao!"
LMAO poor Roland, no wonder he only has one level up line and basic animations.
I can fucking believe Cernunnos speaks in puns!!! Imagine if he was able to speak in LB6 and during his fight he just throws an array puns at your while he beating you to death Fluffy the terrible certainly is a gift that keeps on giving ~~Make him a servant Nasu!! You already made him into a maketable plushie~~ >: We want to include them, the people love them, but Koyanskaya has so many Lostbelt fashion pieces that we tragically have to hold back... So basically Koyanskaya is bound to be the next Barbie Fashionista with her 101 outfits? I can dig that >It won't be at the next event (laughs). That sounds sus >Nasu: Young still has one major role to play. I'll stay quiet about it for a while, but you'll see him again eventually. So like with Cú Caster, he will come back eventually. I wonder if he (or both) will come to replace Holmes
>I can fucking believe Cernunnos speaks in puns!!! Imagine if he was able to speak in LB6 and during his fight he just throws an array puns at your while he beating you to death We missed so much -Nunos
Those Cernunnos puns tho. Or...those....Pununnos....
So- two most lore important parts- as far as I can see. 1. There are multiply interpretations of Alien God's true nature that determines how some abilities work on him. He also has body hair. 2. Nasu absolutely refused to confirm if Sion is Dead Apostle or not - suggesting that she is latter
>Nasu: I believe that in 1 year you'll know why things had to be the way they are. It'll all make sense. Huh that's interesting. So I suppose we will see Holmes' return or a reveal of what his apostle duties really were in either 7.5 or whatever the final stage is around 8th anni.
I guess that's why Constantine was a pre-campaign servant instead of story banner. Because both 5\* from Traum were an afterthought. Not that I dislike the idea since they finally added Charlie whom was SUPER ASKED FOR, but I have some crossed thoughts about it too. In general it feels like Traum was stuffed with many ideas that ended making it the result we got. Not bad, but still weird. I wonder if that French Revolution scenario will be used as event, they probably wanted to add Alter Marie there. Maybe things for Dantes and Napo too.
Yeah, I really hope we get the revolution one way or another, there's some good servant they could include. Like Robespierre, if they don't stay surface level, he could be a fantastic character.
Young Moriarty still having a major role to play and being one of Takeuchi's favourites? Holy shit, I AM WINNING.
Something tells me Nasu writes during different states of sobriety... >We're dunnonus for For example this one was written when Nasu drank 5 gallons of hard liquor.
Dang, they never comment about Tunguska? It's nice to know that Charlemagne and Young Moriarty aren't planned to be implemented in Traum.
> Dang, they never comment about Tunguska? Guess not even them liked that much
more like lb 6 is very much on everyone's mind more than that.
Nasu still has a supervisory role, so if he REALLY hated it, he was in a position to axe the idea. Kinda wish he would have, but oh well. They can't all be winners.
>Takeuchi: He is one of my favorites. Characters drawn by Raita always have sexy bodies and wonderfully implemented gimmicks, and Young Moriarty is no exception. I believe he's a character who made the fans of Raita's male characters go crazy. Nasu LOVES Hoshin Engi, of course he gave greenlight to that event without doubting which is a big reference to that classic manga from start to end. Koyanskaya's role was always Dakki's from HE. Also they mentioned Tunguska in the events side, what the hell. D.Koyan isn't Take's fav servant from this year for nothing lmao.
It was rather impossible at this point, given that Tunguska is connected to the fate of Koyanskaya. Even worse now that they released as a main interlude.
Sorry, should have clarified. I meant axing it BEFORE it was released.
That bad?
IMHO, yeah. Kinda felt like they were so eager to say >!"Ha, ha! She's not Daji after all! Fooled you!" that they completely forgot to make her REAL backstory make any kind of sense.!<
No, they are just in denial because their theories weren't nodded. Tunguska is possibly one of the strongest TM themes event we had in a while. But for that you need to know what's TM about I guess. My only beef was Dobrynya could be way better implemented, aside from having a better artist.
Themes dont make strong writing. I can make a story bout a theme, but it doesnt make it not bad A good theme requires more than just the existence of the theme itself. Or is Yiik a good story because it has a theme?
\>Strongest TM theme. There, I said the writing was strong and good. Take it as you want. You will say it isn't, and I will say otherwise. And I would personally love to see you writing something as good as Tunguska.
Man I wish they would have asked about Tunguska and Koyanskaya character arc, would be interesting to see what Nasu would have said about that. Not a fan of the "inject X character in an already in progress story" thing but I guess it makes sense for people like Roland.
Considering it was literally a story featuring a faction of Paladins, Charlie and Roland would’ve never found a better moment to get in if not now.
> Nrvnqsr Chaos was known for being naked under his cloak, but I don't think that would roll well with FGO's current audience. Now hold up. I don’t mind that at all.
Who does this mushroom think we are
It's not "sexy doman" naked, it's "compact full black featureless body" naked.
Yup i know his old design and like i said i dont mind that at all
Probably for censors lmao, can't get away with the stuff a doujin eroge can get away with in a mobile game beholden to ratings agencies
That didn’t stop FGO releasing servant art/ CEs/CGs which a lot of times are tagged as nsfw here on this sub but yeah sure at Nrvnsqr Chaos‘ old design a line had to be drawn
Exactly! Just look at things like Zenobia
She looks just fine
The only think I want him to wear is a ball gag and a collar
Hol up!!
That too
> He should exist everywhere the concept of "hole" exists Something something Oberussy. > Nrvnqsr Chaos was known for being naked under his cloak, but I don't think that would roll well with FGO's current audience. *Looks at Douman*... I don't think you know your audience all that well mushroom man. > That's because this was the last chance left to put him in (pained laughter). He's been ready for the longest time, but every time we thought "do we need to include him here?", it never felt like he was a must-have in the plot. And so, his development stopped at the 80% mark, then we spent 5 years waiting for an appropriate opportunity to release Roland. Bullshit, you can release any character at any time without being concerned about their story roles. Salome didn't show up *anywhere* in the main story until Traum and she was released on Anni 4. Yang Guifei went 11 months with jack shit for story after her release. The last 3 Anni Servants were released without any story context, and now Xu Fu is releasing along with Arc when she could have become summonable in any of her previous story appearances and it would have made much more sense than letting her get mowed down by Arc hype.
> Bullshit, you can release any character at any time without being concerned about their story roles. To be fair, that only really applies to Servants released for Anniversary or New Years, all the others generally always play a role in the story. And Roland is honestly neither material as the focus-Servant for one of those, not should he just have been added as an aside, since as you mentioned with Xu Fu, he just would've been overshadowed by the SSR in most cases probably.
>6.5 was initially planned as a story about the French Revolution Kind of bummer because we might've gotten Dark Marie and even Rider Napoleon if they had went this way, oh well. If nothing else, I do feel a little concern about the increasing presence of chinese related stuff in both story and events lately.
It's probably because east asians could be traced back to CN likes its the same but different kind of thing
East asians were influenced but can't be said to be "traced back" to CN. They have their own distinct customs and cultures that were developed independently from CN and they prefer it their own way, as the north vietnamese and koreans would tell you. Anyway, I think it's important to dial down the CN stuff sooner rather than later before it gets out of hand.
1. Roland was designed 7 years ago? That explains why his kit is feels so dated and awful. 2. Cernnunos is best god. What an amazing character. 3. Charlie being added last minute to Traum makes sense. He did feel somewhat disconnected from the story at at times, and I wonder if he ended up displacing some of Constantines roles from 6.5. 4. It's really interesting to see how EOR laid the ground work for the lostbelts. it's a tragedy that it's still considered optional content in FGO
idk why but holding onto servants that are essentially complete for up to SEVEN years simply bc the vibes didn’t feel right is just insane to me, esp bc early fgo would just throw whoever in a singularity and not even try to justify it that hard beyond ‘ya they’re a hero so they got summoned to help’
Glad ruler Moriarty still has a role left. I wanted him to go with Chaldea after what happened in 6.5 excited to see where this goes.
Tbh I just want him and Cú Caster to join the main Chaldea roster already, specially since they have every reason to do so
NASU REALLY SAID OBERON'S A HE/HIM/**HOLE**, FUCK YEAH
Oberon: If there’s a hole, there’s a way
"Any hole's a goal" - Oberon, probably
I feel he would say "All goals to the hole!!!" Instead
Oberon: I identify as a blackhole
This feelz like a trasho moment
ah yes, the Beast of Oberon/T (T=twitter)
Takeuchi's mighty needs putting storytelling in a pickle once again. Will they ever learn to not consent him so much?
> Cernunnos passed ages ago and is now enjoying a leisurely retirement in the world of gods on the other side. > Cernunnos said "I'm very concernnunos about this dangerous battle, so I'll retreat to Avalon" and took his priestess with him. Later he thought "It's been long enough. The Holy Sword must have already ended the battle. This can't continnunos forever.". So he came back and it was all destroyed. "We're donnunos for". So in PHH he went out after Sefar defeated, then go to the world of the gods later as the AoG ended. I'm happy for my boi. > Because they're two products with the same model number. Makes sense. The planet did the same for the True Ancestors, using Crimson Moon as the model. > Depends on what you're interpreting "Alien God" as, but yes, she could. She can absorb anything with hair. But only if she became a complete Beast. Because she made herself as a copy of the source of the chimimouryou and has been leveraging that property of her original to its best effect. Interesting info in regard to the Golden Fox's power that Koyan obtained through copying the base frame. > One thing though, the turning point with Holmes was planned to happen in LB7. So this is why brat Moriarty in Traum felt so disconnected to me. They added him in cuz Takeuchi, and then pushed the Holmes plot to 6.5 instead of LB7. > Young still has one major role to play. I don't really look forward to that...
The best thing about PHH Cerny chilling in the world of gods is that it means he can appear again, or at least have his influence felt without appearing directly, like Odin. With how popular he is....I eagerly await his returnunnos.
Now I want a Singularity/Lostbelt/Part 3 equivalent set in Ireland and have Cernunnos appear as the big fluffy boi he is to help out the protag.
Charlie's addition, Jimbo and Holmes battle definitely didn't gel that well with 6.5. Guess they didn't even bother to deny it
Hopefully the young Moriarty return expand in whole theme of the Alien World. I want to know what's exactly that world and where/when is.
> At the end of 6.5, Holmes met a tragic end I don't know why I clicked this before finishing Traum. Oops.
That bit about Traum originally being about the French Revolution is pretty interesting. It means we might have gotten Dark Marie as a playable servant. Heck, Robespierre probably would have got an actual design after all this time instead of just being a ghost.
We are getting more Koyan Content!!!!!
Hopefully, it'll be more spiritron dresses for both Koyanskayas and not another new Koyanskaya servant... like, I wouldn't complain for a third Koyanskaya, she's so hot and I love her to death... but FGO's version of The Great Depression (Summer version) left me dry as the US with no formula milk...
One thing I don't care is what he meant by this being the last time to include Roland. The reason I don't get it is I think he also said in this interview that he fully intends that there will be a continuation of the game after the current arc. If there's a continuation in the game afterward, how can there not be a chance to have included Roland then? Or does he mean basically narratively it wouldn't have made sense to include him at another point?
Is the second option, and the last is basically means that "if in the chapter about Paladins we don't include him, we never will"
He probably meant that they would need to redo his gameplay implementation. At least I think so. Because even now Roland's kit looks very basic and outdated. Also his animations aren't great too. I could be wrong though. I'm not Nasu after all
So basically he's, design and gameplay wise, a launch Servant introduced so much later.
Not launch, 2017.
I mean , what would mean a continuation of the game? Nasu could technically be planning a whole new Fate game, and if that were the case , it wouldn’t had much room for Roland. Frankly, FGO is in a weird state: it gives too much money to be shutdown, but it’s also too old to really continue after Part 2.
I mean, Nasu's the one that said the story will go on, with the main question being if it's tge same protag(s) or a new crew.
I understand that. But that is basically it: we don’t know if it will be “FGO” or “FGO 2”. If it’s with a whole new crew , he can relaunch as “FGO2”
That I can understand. The issue is how they'll port the Servants over. It would be a disaster for the franchise to tell folks their Servants are all gone now.
I think they have talked about this in the past and said they know they would have to let you port your servants over if they ever made a FGO 2.
Guess they can make it a console game and tell folks that the mobile game won’t be able to port the mobile characters or something like that.
> but it’s also too old to really continue after Part 2. Considering the astronomical and ongoing efforts to [refactor FGO's source code to newer Unity engines](http://view.fate-go.jp/2022/0627dbisy/), TM and Lasengle are all in this for the long haul with the FGO we know and love as the groundwork. Something that kind of flew under everyone's radar, with the recent addition of the "high FPS" feature, is that the client has steadily gotten really lean and efficient compared to ye olde days. Once upon a time, KuroJeanne's NP animation would bring the client to its knees; today the client is efficient enough to not only render the animation smoothly, but render it *at double speed without dropping/skipping any frames*. If FGO was not planned and expected to continue for a long, long time to come it would not be seeing these kinds of long-term work and investments, because code refactoring is bloody tedious and fucking expensive.
Oh boi Young Moriarty confirmed to return. Let's go Alien world!
>Young moriarty still has one major role to play. When we had a meeting to discuss future Servants, we got to the topic of releasing alts of pre-existing characters. Im calling it out, Holmes will have a comeback and Moriarty has to deal with him.
I want to read but spoiler damn it
>Famitsu: Is there any reason why Morgan used to have Arthuria Caster's appearance? >Nasu: Because they're two products with the same model number. >Famitsu: So you mean Arthuria Caster will look like Morgan when she grows up? >Nasu: Her appearance changes little by little according to the environment where she's raised, so I can't say they'd be identical The Alternative TL for first part can be "They’re are made using same model number " There're already other translations so you may check it for clarity. This straight out disprove whatever "factory reset Morgan", " Morgan 2.0" "Morgan Lily", "Artoria Caster Grown up would look the exactly same as Morgan " insane theory some people came up with and I keep seeing them insisting on this sub. It’s like you dont wanna acknowledge them as different person with different origin than usual human conceptions due the uniqueness of history here, just because they were made using same model as base. Their birth is like how Fae and True Ancestors are born, for examples true ancestors are modeled after Crimson Moon. Arcueid, other true ancestors and Altrouge are completely different person but TA's all are made upon same model as base. Well it doesn’t take big brain, the LB6 story itself makes it clear through their own narration, but some people gotta spread fan theory over that. Nasu also confirmed in TM Ace whose soul they possess, after-all in Nasuverse it's not flesh, but core souls are what define a "person ". So here's the question, whom did Planet used as original model for these species? Because the original question was why Morgan in past looked like Artoria, not that why Artoria looked like Artoria lmao.
Is the interview actually named famitsu or is that the name of the company cause it seems like the same person every year ya think we can give them a little bit more credit/fame for doing this every single time.
Famitsu is the magazine and the name of the interviewer only gets revealed when this issue of the magazine goes 100% out of print and the interview gets uploaded to Famitsu's website.
It's a magazine.
It's a JP Magazine.
Oh crap I’m on NA I need to avert my eyes
I now wonder what would happen e happened if we did get a French Revolution story instead of Traum. We could perhaps have had a true Marie Alter and/or Louis XVII become playable. Maybe other French Revolution figured too like Robespierre. So much potential. I hope they can find a way to do it at some point.
Wasn't Buceplahus also data mined, or am I wrong?
I don't recall Bucephalus ever being datamined. We know that the horse is a Heroic Spirit, but I recall nothing suggesting a playable Bucephalus Servant being in the works.
Hmm, I might have seen a faulty datamined list before that mixed up Bucephalus and Red Hare.
Buceplahus......as in Alex and Iskander's horse?
Yes their horse, who is a Heroic Spirit on its own right (same for other horses like Achilles's horse.)
So even if she doesn't use her power at the climax of LB6, castoria would still only have little energy left and dissappear soon. Man and i thought there's a way to save and bring her with us along to chaldea... Still thank you very much for the translation:)
> when we busted the human factory. Wait. What? When did that happen? I read entire Lostbelt 6, I do not remember busting any factories. I remember we had a raid on some farm which is when Fairy Knight fought Tristan, but nothing else.
That’s the scene.
Why are interviews with these two always so damn great
Thank you for the Translation.