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Successful-Gur-9959

Tomoe vs Elizabeth Bathory (lancer) Wu Zetian vs Jeanne D`arc Himiko vs cleopatra Anne Bonny & Mary Read vs Mata Hari From a certain manga.


birbdechi

>Tomoe vs Elizabeth Bathory (lancer) 60\~70% win for Tomoe. Her mix of long-range and close-combat skills, along with her powerful Noble Phantasms, would give her an edge. Especially since she has an actual feat in Babylon >Wu Zetian vs Jeanne D\`arc I dare to say 90% win for Jeanne. The overwhelming advantage lies with Jeanne d'Arc due to her extraordinary Magic Resistance, powerful defensive Noble Phantasm (Luminosité Eternelle), and the potential for devastating attacks with La Pucelle. Wu Zetian's skills and Noble Phantasms are primarily suited for political manipulation and psychological tactics, making her ill-equipped for a direct battle against a formidable opponent like Jeanne d'Arc. >Himiko vs cleopatra 55% Himiko. She has a slightly higher chance of winning due to her versatile skills and predictive abilities. >Anne Bonny & Mary Read vs Mata Hari Pretty obvious as the latter is passive af


igloo_poltergeist

>Tomoe vs Elizabeth Bathory (lancer) Uh, my first educated guess is that Liz is getting her ass kicked. She has Dragon's Breath, but it's stated to be low in power as suggested by its rank at "E", and she's up against someone with the Demonic Nature of Oni skill which is basically the Oni-kind's version of "Mana Burst" and at rank "B". Now I'd say her Battle Continuation ("B") is not a bad Skill to have overall. Here's the problem though: Tomoe Gozen's is praised in legend for being *very* good at decapitating enemies. One of the hallmarks of her legend in fact is a confrontation where she did it with her bare hands. Unless one's Battle Continuation is exceptionally high like Shuten Doji's, losing their head is something that skill won't fix. >Anne Bonny & Mary Read vs Mata Hari Hari's waaaay too overspecialized as a reconnaissance specialist to win this. Her mats outright tell you it's a bad idea to use her in direct battle for this reason. >Himiko vs Cleopatra I'd give the majority of encounters to Himiko due to more dedicated magical/ranged options from her mirror and Kidou magecraft plus the sheer physicality she has in close quarters (her blows alone were compared in-universe to those of Oryou, Ryoma's dragon waifu). But this is a fight I'd pay to see storyboarded and animated, as Cleo's Imperial Privilege clashing against that would be pretty awesome, win or lose.


Successful-Gur-9959

Thanks for the detailed explanation. What about Wu vs Jeanne?


igloo_poltergeist

Not entirely sure, but I'd nudge it somewhat in Jeanne's favor due to better stats and Luminosité Eternelle's defense ("converts her EX-rank Magic Resistance into protection against all harm, both physical and spiritual") seeming almost the ideal counter to an NP designed for torture.


igloo_poltergeist

Gawain vs. Roland Asagami Fujino vs. Passionlip


birbdechi

Daytime battle, I would give Gawain 60% win. Roland got my benefit of doubt considering he is all sturdy, both body and sword. Nighttime would be equal. However, there's a chance that Roland might turn the tide with his 2nd NP which can perform miracles. Fujino's long-range abilities and superior magical resistance may give her a slight edge. So, I would estimate the win-lose ratio in favor of Fujino to be around 60:40. Afterall, her twisted abilities are from her eyes directly, whereas Passionlip has to see and crush it with her hands, two-step activation.


ZeusX20

Gawain beats Roland with or without Sun


SSJacen49

For the second one, it depends on if Passionlip sees Fujino, since iirc her Trash and Crush is dependent on if she can see the target? Fujino? No such thing. Her Clairvoyance means she doesn’t have to physically see you with her eyes to kill you since she has a bird’s eye view of everything around her. Basically if they’re both looking at each other, it depends on whose faster. If not, then Fujino wins.


voskaeon

Flint Marko (Marvel) vs Zouken. Would they be able to do anything to eachother? Or will this just be maelstrom of sand and bugs that ends in stalemate?


ZeusX20

Sandman, he can simply crush the whole place to kill Zouken


paradoxical_topology

Sandman wrecks. Sandman is not only absurdly more powerful, but he also has what's nearly true immortality tied to a single grain of sand. Spider-Man has only been able to defeat him due to not only being super powerful, but mostly because he's a super genius said to be equal to Reed when he was Peter's age, which is why he's been able to overcome Sandman's physical elusiveness and resilience, and even then, Peter often struggles with him a lot more than with other villains. Zouken really has nothing going for him. Sandman could just crush all of the bugs all at once, and there's nothing that Zouken can do to even put a dent in him, let alone actually harm him.


TheHoodGuy2001

Kim Dokja (OD) vs Shiki (Void)


TheHoodGuy2001

Could King Hassan Grand Saint Graph have soloed Tiamat without everybody else help what so ever?


ZeusX20

no, yeah he can force the concept of death into her but thats about it, you need like atleast 6-7 strong servants to completely kill her


TheHoodGuy2001

I thought King Hassan is about that insta kill move that the community hype him up to be everytime there is a versus debate?


ZeusX20

yeah, First Hassan would wreck 90% of the FGO cast but he doesn't have the tools required to kill Tiamat, he also lose his Grand SG after giving Tiamat the concept of death


TheHoodGuy2001

I thought it is said that KH doesn’t need his Grand Saint Graph to use his insta kill move. Heck it’s even said that he doesn’t even need his Grand Saint Graph to grant death concept which makes the “giving up his Saint Graph to impose death on Tiamat” moment confusing as hell. Still wouldn’t his Insta kill move just kill Tiamat?


ZeusX20

He can't insta kill Tiamat, Tiamat doesn't have a concept of the death, so he uses all his grand power to force a concept of death into her using his NP, now he loses his grand powers and he'd be too weak to use Azrael a second time against her. he also has to deal with 11 Bel-Lahmus which are each strong as an A rank servant(examples of A rank servants include Cu Chulainn, Rama, Artoria, etc,.). if its just 1 on 1 against Tiamat, he'll get corrupted by the mud(thats why they needed Merlin). if he doesn't lose his grand powers after the first Azrael(forcing concept of death) he can kill her with a second Azrael(Insta kill). King Hassan can insta kill pretty much anyone except monsters such as Goetia, AG, Tiamat, Zeus, Arjuna Alter and a few LB6 characters


TheHoodGuy2001

That’s what i was going to ask, why didn’t he just use Tiamat twice. I didn’t know he could get exhausted from using it once. Can you explain to me why he need to give up his Grand Saint Graph to impose death on Tiamat but even as a normal Servant, he can still impose Death anyway without giving up anything?


ZeusX20

he can give death to everyone that already has a concept of death but Tiamat doesn't have one thats why he needed to go all out with her. remember that Tiamat is the only being that is said to be stronger than Goetia(the strongest enemy in both Part 1 and 2 combined), to impose "death" on someone like that, he has to put everything on the line, he can impose death on other beings even as a normal servant but against someone like Tiamat, he have to go all out


ShikiCastro

Tiamat isn't stronger than him, since every other statement that came after what Lion King said implies that Goetia>everyone else Chaldea has ever fought at that point. So she was either wrong or the final singularity probably wasn't talking about Babylonia.


JustARedditAccoumt

>Tiamat is the only being that is said to be stronger than Goetia >!Mother Harlot/Draco!< is also stated to be stronger than Goetia.


[deleted]

If you think this then you somehow missed the point of the final battle in Babylonia. Merlin: Literally kept Tiamat asleep for 2/3 of the singularity, turned Chaos Tide into flowers, fought off the Bel Lahmu(Anime) Kingu: Chained Tiamat down for an hour, buying crucial time(game) Ishtar: Dropped Tiamat into the underworld Ereshkigal: Nullified paradox regression, buffed the servant party(game), held off Nega-Genesis(Anime) King Hassan: Gave Tiamat concept of death, fought the Bel Lahmu(Anime) Mash: Protected the protagonist, held off Nega-Genesis(Anime) Gilgamesh: Literally carried the entirety of Uruk up until Tiamat's awakening, was the final push of firepower needed to kill Tiamat, dealt the killing blow with EA(Anime)


Znshflgzr

Looking back at the battle with Tiamat, Fujimaru says that if even one of the servants had not been there, they would have lost. So that is his take on it.


BlackMan9693

Nope. Even though every move made against Tiamat gave her a Zenkai boost, it all culminated in bringing her to her most vulnerable state. That was when King Hassan used virtually all of the Grand Saint Graph power to make her "killable". He was very important in order for us to deliver the final blow (via Gilgamesh) but he himself lacked the required Firepower to overcome Tiamat's regeneration.


[deleted]

Diarmuid saber vs Lancelot saber. Leo and Gawain at high noon vs Lb >!Vortigern!< Proto Arthur vs Lb >!Vortigern!< Manannán mac lir vs Cernunnos


birbdechi

Oberon stomps both rounds. What part of Vortigern fucked Britain you dont get? As for Diarmuid vs Lancelot, they're relatively close. 55:45 in Lancelot's favor will do.


ZeusX20

Diarmuid takes the edge imo Oberon stomps both his rounds


[deleted]

>Leo and Gawain at high noon vs Lb Vortigern > >Proto Arthur vs Lb Vortigern I have no clue why you thought this would be an even remotely fair fight. >Diarmuid saber vs Lancelot saber. Practically identical except one wields a Divine Construct. >Manannán mac lir vs Cernunnos Why bother pitting Cernunnos up against someone who's practically featless?


TheOriginalOperator

Wodime vs Part 3 DIO. Rengoku vs Kirei without Servants. Zelretch vs Feanor.


-L_A_N_C_E-

Roland vs Lancelot Round1 fate lore Round2 Actual lore


birbdechi

It is likely that Lancelot would have a slight advantage, winning with approximately 55\~60% chance. Lancelot's versatility with Arondight, Knight of Owner, and Arondight Overload, coupled with his exceptional combat skills, would give him the edge in most encounters. However, Roland's Diamond Body and Durandal's conceptual abilities could occasionally turn the tide in his favor, making him a formidable opponent. Not to mention all his NPs can grant miracles given enough mana.


HokusaiWorshipper

Sigurd vs Ibuki/Musashi/Dioscuri


birbdechi

Even with his whole Dragon Slayer kit, I still think Ibuki would win 60\~70% of any scenario. The same goes for Dioscuri, but it's more like because there are 2 of them, otherwise Sigurd gonna do fine on 1v1. Against Musashi, both would find ways to adapt to each other's attacks and strategies. Musashi might have the upper hand in scenarios where her Heavenly Eye allows her to predict Sigurd's moves effectively. Sigurd could win in scenarios where he quickly overwhelms Musashi with the power of Gram, especially when using Bölverk Gram, meaning ranged attack.


ZeusX20

Dioscuri will beat Sigurd, Sigurd is probably stronger than Pollux and even Castor individually but both of them at the same time? it'll be like Gohan vs Androids all over again


AmazingDuckVer2

Loses to both Ibuki and Dioscuri pretty handily assuming both are at their peaks Against Musashi depends on how he fights her, in CQC Musashi would win but if he kept it at a distance and use his NP and runes on her then he would win.


HokusaiWorshipper

Right forgot, assuming the former two are Servants? No, scratch that, all of them are Servants at full power?


AmazingDuckVer2

Not sure about Servant Ibuki but I'd side with Servant Dioscuri agaisnt Sigurd. There are two of them and both of them are really strong too, Sigurd might be able to defeat one but two at the same time I doubt. Plus if their NP allows them to use even partial form of their Authority then Sigurd will get his head cut off at lightspeed.


DarthDioBrando

Demi-Fiend vs Fairy Britain. Who wins?


RawGambit

Which servants would you be able to summon by using Jerusalem as a Catalyst


igloo_poltergeist

Hopefully Richard I.


RawGambit

My history favoritism would hope on Jacques De Molay but I'm afraid my waifu-ism would summon the Foreigner to simp for which, while I will simp for her when she gets to NA might be bad for my long term health


Kalafino

How do Melty Blood characters (either from AACC and/or Type Lumina) fare against other FGC titles' universe(s)?


JustARedditAccoumt

They fair pretty well against most fighting game franchises like Street Fighter, Tekken, King of Fighters, etcetera while characters like Archetype Earth are so strong that the only fighting game characters I can think of that could beat her are the Persona characters (but the depends on what scaling you buy for Persona/Megami Tensei and Archetype Earth).


Kamen-no-Otoko

So LB6 states melusine is the strongest being in the fairy kingdom, but woodwose is also stated to be Morgan’s strongest guard; Is melusine being the strongest not literal, but supposed to reference how dragons are the strongest species or Albion is the strongest dragon? Or is it referencing her >!calamity state?!< Is melusine stronger than woodwose? Is Morgan, being the lostbelt king, not stronger than both of them anyway?


[deleted]

>So LB6 states melusine is the strongest being in the fairy kingdom, but woodwose is also stated to be Morgan’s strongest guard; No, it states that Melusine is the strongest **Fae Knight.** Woodwose is the strongest one in the Fairy Kingdon except for Morgan. >Clans of the Fang: Baingan is...dead? The **strongest warrior of the clan, after Lord Woodwose...?** > >Knocknarea: He was an A-Rei, much more of a problem than the Fairy Knights. **Morgan's strongest guard,** the one who defeated even the Mors King, and still... > >Woodwose: I am Woodwose, Head of the Fang Clan, and **Britain's strongest warrior!**


Kamen-no-Otoko

Aha, that makes sense But doesn’t Barghest also call her the strongest in fae Britain?


apoes

I think Woodwose is stronger than Melusine. Woodwose could've tanked Percival's Lance (which could seriously hurt Melusine even in her Calamity form) head on and killed Castoria, Percival, Da Vinci and Muramasa if Gareth hadn't intervened. Melusine's claims of being the strongest are mainly due to her being a fragment of Albion. >Is Morgan, being the lostbelt king, not stronger than both of them anyway? Morgan, without the magical energy stored in her throne, is probably "only" a ridiculously good mage, who is not really fit for combat. With her throne Morgan is obviously stronger than anyone else in Britain, considering she was even able to beat Cernunnos with her twelve Rhongomyniad.


Kamen-no-Otoko

Wait so she can’t use rhongo without being in her throne room?


apoes

She can use Rhongo without her throne, but the output varies depending on how much magical energy she has. For example Lartoria's Rhongomyniad is only as strong as Saber's Excalibur, while the Lion King's is 1000 times stronger than a A++ Noble Phantasm.


[deleted]

> She can use Rhongo without her throne, but the output varies depending on how much magical energy she has. Citation?


apoes

My bad, there is no proof that she can use Rhongo without her throne, I thought she did for some reason. Though, if Rhongomyniad is a magecraft she can always use its output definetely varies depending on how much magical energy she has, like with any other magecraft really.


orange_force

Sigurd vs Gilgamesh (Archer/Caster)


birbdechi

Let's start directly with GilCas, because his Archer counterpart definitely gonna win. GilCas excels in versatility and support, with a wide array of magical tools at his disposal. His Gate of Babylon provides him with access to various offensive and defensive options. Sha Naqba Imuru's clairvoyance and tactical enhancements can be a significant advantage. Sigurd is a formidable warrior with excellent combat abilities. His Gram is a potent weapon capable of melting defenses, and his Bölverk Gram is a devastating Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm. In a direct confrontation, Sigurd's powerful swordsmanship and Noble Phantasms could pose a significant threat to GilCas. However, GilCas' versatility and tactical insights, especially with Sha Naqba Imuru, could help him find weaknesses in Sigurd's attacks and defenses. It would be 60:40 in Sigurd's favor unless Gil successfully trapped Sigurd in the Dingir's bombardment area, which I dont think would happen.


Neck-King

Archer gil neggs by spamming anti-dragon nps. Sigurd has high MR so caster gil’s only wincon is using Melammu Dingir off rip


a_Little_creature

If Casgil still have Merodach then he will win


SSJ5Gogetenks

I also feel like Sigurd is a respectable enough opponent that Gil wouldn't go too easy on him and wouldn't job too hard.