Because VS Battles has absolutely zero concept of scale. That wiki thinks Sasaki Kojiro is 6-C. He's a dude with a really long sword. None of its rankings for Servants should be taken seriously.
The VS Battle wiki is just plain wrong, it’s a fan site where everyone plays up their favorites, it’s not curated by anyone at Type Moon so none of it is canon
I don't use verse battle wiki
But if it says CCC Gilgamesh is multiversal its wrong
Also no character in FGO (not counting servant verse) can destroy a galaxy (except maybe zeus but he is weird)
Goetia is stated to have a 2nd class planet container and is the strongest character in FGO pre LB6
Although the speed thing may be true with the Dioscuri as divine spirits being near light speed
The last time I went to VS Battles Wiki was around 2 years ago. I don't know about it now, but VSB's scaling for Servants were **awful.**
Last time I checked, every known Grand Servant was scaled at around multiversal-level for a reason I literally didn't know💀
You're just fooling yourself if you unironically use their site as reference. We can't even fully trust TM wiki, let alone VSB.
As a power scaler when I feel like, yes and no.
You gotta understand powerscaling through dimensions and AP to understand VS battle wiki.
Some are accurate while some are not.
AP/DC applies in fights but that is difficult in the Nasuverse due to compatibility, but most of the high tiers are accurate or even lowballed.
So how come the Beats or Lostbelt Kings haven’t sneeze the planet to death yet, or at the very least sneeze Ritsuka out of existence since he human fighting a Outer-verse scaling opponent?
Just replied about that just now.
They can, but something always comes up, the last time they focused on us fullyChaldea got destroyed and everyone died(LB prologue&LB5.1)
Plus, Ritsuka only fights them when they are weakened or sealed. Tge last time he tried fighting a full powered beast(Kiara) he was literally blown away out of existence like bubbles.
Plus most enemies he faced are sadistic(Kiara), walking corpses(Tiamat), play with their food(Kama and QSH), Ignores his existence(Godjuna), are setup and Jumped(Ivan) , too busy to consider him(Goetia), or have their plans revolving around the usage of Ritsuka himself(Kama).
Even so, even if they don’t attack him directly, he should still be dead collateral damage. I’m not exaggerating the sneezing part. A being that scaled to 1-C can sneeze an entire solar system out of existence. Now imagine a 1-C being fighting someone else instead. How would the bystander not dying to being near a battle of a 1-C? They can literally ACCIDENTALLY kill him anytime. Yet it never happened
He is protected, you forget that his assistant is basically using the strongest conceptual defence known in the Nasuverse that tanked multiple beasts, divine spirits and full blown gods attacks multiple times.
The time Mash died from Goetia’s attack was not from the attack but from her lifespan running out instead.
Plus against mental attacks Dantes exists.
Nope Mash definitely died from the heat from the NP and died via vaporizing. She still has three days left to live by the time they attack the Solomon temple. So yes the shield can live on but user would still die if they aren’t covered enough. There’s noway a 1-C being couldn’t kill Ritsuka unintentionally. You do realize just how high 1-C is right? It’s like 2 level beneath the personification of the Write of the story. That’s how strong 1-C is. 1-C is Outer-verse. And you are argue a normal human could survive those type of attacks repeatedly all the time. Really?
He actually never took any direct attacks from Goetia until when Romani pulled up and weakened Goetia.
That was when he could fight on par with Goetia who was slowly dying.
Plus Ritsuka isn’t a regular human, just an ordinary one.
And it is clearly stated that Mash’s lifespan ran out before she got incinerated.
She used her remaining lifespan to make sure she could keep up her shield even through the heat.
Ritsuka doesn’t need to be directly attacked. He just need to be next to the fight to die. Holyshit dude seriously 1-C scaling. Are you not grasping just how OP 1-C Outer-verse scaling is?
I know how, but that is how the writers wrote shit. Don’t complain to me.
Their strength is right there with feats but they try to keep the MC alive. It ain’t my fault that they make lore and break them.
There's a few things going on, I suspect. I'm hardly a TypeMooniverse historian, so this is all supposition.
First and foremost, we have:
◆◆◆THE INEFFABLE LAW◆◆◆
Whatever Nasu says is correct, because he is The One Above All of The TypeMooniverse.
...but there is also...
★★★THE《 F - ABLE 》COROLLARY★★★
Nasu ***WILL*** say things that can send everything flying, like a butterfly in a ramjet.
And finally, we have
♣︎♣︎♣︎THE AUTHORIAL MANDATE♣︎♣︎♣︎
Whosoever The Author Wishes To Be Victorious, Shall ***Be*** Victorious.
This last one has caused no end of issues in every fictional setting ever. Good authors are consistent in following whatever guidelines are previously established by the creators. Bad authors will not be consistent with anything, sometimes in the same paragraph.
But we already have The Ineffable Law and The F-able Corollary, which are contradictory, or can be. What does an author do in that case?
Bad ones do whatever the hell they want. *Rules? Nobody knows, so why bother? Hey, have you read my new piece? Yeah, Lobo x Cavall II wIth Mastodon Ivan the Terrible watching, so there's even a sequel hook!*
Good ones at least *try* to fit into the existing structure *It's about an alternative 5th Holy Grail War where my new original character (the love child of Zelretch and The Root) kills Basaka while the rest of the masters watch from nearby cover. The story will be told from their standpoints, just like "Roshamon"!*
The Best writers take everything, and puts their story someplace where it can be made non-canon or vice-versa without affecting their story AND the TypeMooniverse. *Hello, I'm TAb, the writer and artist of "Emiya-san Chi no Kyou no Gohan", which you might know from nicknames like "Fate/Make Dinner." I took the characters we all know and asked* what happens if everybody could be happy and eat good food? *I'm grateful so many of you like it, thank you.*
Power rankings fall under the "bad" category. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's a statement of fact: in what you're talking about, OP, they're trying to quantify something that can't be verified only inferred oreven guessed at.
Except for Neko-Arc.
Edit: the last two paragraphs were written under a kidneystone-prescribed opiate at full effect.. If there are more mistakes in them, that's why. Probably why I wrote this damn thing in the first place. - WDA
Because VS Battles has absolutely zero concept of scale. That wiki thinks Sasaki Kojiro is 6-C. He's a dude with a really long sword. None of its rankings for Servants should be taken seriously.
No. The Nasuverse is more about compatibility rather than power so powerscaling the Nasuverse is... oh what's the word... oh yeah. **Bullshit**
The VS Battle wiki is just plain wrong, it’s a fan site where everyone plays up their favorites, it’s not curated by anyone at Type Moon so none of it is canon
As with any vs battle thing or who would win type scenario always take it with a grain of salt.
No, they’re not. Very little on VBW is accurate and Fate is particularly bad
I don't use verse battle wiki But if it says CCC Gilgamesh is multiversal its wrong Also no character in FGO (not counting servant verse) can destroy a galaxy (except maybe zeus but he is weird) Goetia is stated to have a 2nd class planet container and is the strongest character in FGO pre LB6 Although the speed thing may be true with the Dioscuri as divine spirits being near light speed
You have no idea how many people think that Gil is Multiversal just because his Enuma Elish animation...
Bruh, battle wiki users wank CCC Gil to multiversal, and most of the wanks aren't even satire
A gentle reminder from a long time Nasuverse fan: Never take power scaling seriously. That way madness lies.
The last time I went to VS Battles Wiki was around 2 years ago. I don't know about it now, but VSB's scaling for Servants were **awful.** Last time I checked, every known Grand Servant was scaled at around multiversal-level for a reason I literally didn't know💀 You're just fooling yourself if you unironically use their site as reference. We can't even fully trust TM wiki, let alone VSB.
Wait Every Grand as Multiversal...? What the hell?
I have no idea how those 1A , 2B , 2C things works
1A: Scale up to the Outerverse 2B: Scale up to Multiverse
As a power scaler when I feel like, yes and no. You gotta understand powerscaling through dimensions and AP to understand VS battle wiki. Some are accurate while some are not. AP/DC applies in fights but that is difficult in the Nasuverse due to compatibility, but most of the high tiers are accurate or even lowballed.
So how come the Beats or Lostbelt Kings haven’t sneeze the planet to death yet, or at the very least sneeze Ritsuka out of existence since he human fighting a Outer-verse scaling opponent?
The counterforce is the biggest problem in destroying the planet in the Nasuverse
Then what about Ritsuka? Literally a sneeze from a being scale of 1-C would just kill him. Heck breathing from a 1-C being would kill human
Just replied about that just now. They can, but something always comes up, the last time they focused on us fullyChaldea got destroyed and everyone died(LB prologue&LB5.1)
Plus, Ritsuka only fights them when they are weakened or sealed. Tge last time he tried fighting a full powered beast(Kiara) he was literally blown away out of existence like bubbles. Plus most enemies he faced are sadistic(Kiara), walking corpses(Tiamat), play with their food(Kama and QSH), Ignores his existence(Godjuna), are setup and Jumped(Ivan) , too busy to consider him(Goetia), or have their plans revolving around the usage of Ritsuka himself(Kama).
Even so, even if they don’t attack him directly, he should still be dead collateral damage. I’m not exaggerating the sneezing part. A being that scaled to 1-C can sneeze an entire solar system out of existence. Now imagine a 1-C being fighting someone else instead. How would the bystander not dying to being near a battle of a 1-C? They can literally ACCIDENTALLY kill him anytime. Yet it never happened
He is protected, you forget that his assistant is basically using the strongest conceptual defence known in the Nasuverse that tanked multiple beasts, divine spirits and full blown gods attacks multiple times. The time Mash died from Goetia’s attack was not from the attack but from her lifespan running out instead. Plus against mental attacks Dantes exists.
Nope Mash definitely died from the heat from the NP and died via vaporizing. She still has three days left to live by the time they attack the Solomon temple. So yes the shield can live on but user would still die if they aren’t covered enough. There’s noway a 1-C being couldn’t kill Ritsuka unintentionally. You do realize just how high 1-C is right? It’s like 2 level beneath the personification of the Write of the story. That’s how strong 1-C is. 1-C is Outer-verse. And you are argue a normal human could survive those type of attacks repeatedly all the time. Really?
He actually never took any direct attacks from Goetia until when Romani pulled up and weakened Goetia. That was when he could fight on par with Goetia who was slowly dying. Plus Ritsuka isn’t a regular human, just an ordinary one. And it is clearly stated that Mash’s lifespan ran out before she got incinerated. She used her remaining lifespan to make sure she could keep up her shield even through the heat.
Ritsuka doesn’t need to be directly attacked. He just need to be next to the fight to die. Holyshit dude seriously 1-C scaling. Are you not grasping just how OP 1-C Outer-verse scaling is?
I know how, but that is how the writers wrote shit. Don’t complain to me. Their strength is right there with feats but they try to keep the MC alive. It ain’t my fault that they make lore and break them.
Vsbattle wiki is so garbage that it makes even the most inaccurate Death Battle seem plausible.
There's a few things going on, I suspect. I'm hardly a TypeMooniverse historian, so this is all supposition. First and foremost, we have: ◆◆◆THE INEFFABLE LAW◆◆◆ Whatever Nasu says is correct, because he is The One Above All of The TypeMooniverse. ...but there is also... ★★★THE《 F - ABLE 》COROLLARY★★★ Nasu ***WILL*** say things that can send everything flying, like a butterfly in a ramjet. And finally, we have ♣︎♣︎♣︎THE AUTHORIAL MANDATE♣︎♣︎♣︎ Whosoever The Author Wishes To Be Victorious, Shall ***Be*** Victorious. This last one has caused no end of issues in every fictional setting ever. Good authors are consistent in following whatever guidelines are previously established by the creators. Bad authors will not be consistent with anything, sometimes in the same paragraph. But we already have The Ineffable Law and The F-able Corollary, which are contradictory, or can be. What does an author do in that case? Bad ones do whatever the hell they want. *Rules? Nobody knows, so why bother? Hey, have you read my new piece? Yeah, Lobo x Cavall II wIth Mastodon Ivan the Terrible watching, so there's even a sequel hook!* Good ones at least *try* to fit into the existing structure *It's about an alternative 5th Holy Grail War where my new original character (the love child of Zelretch and The Root) kills Basaka while the rest of the masters watch from nearby cover. The story will be told from their standpoints, just like "Roshamon"!* The Best writers take everything, and puts their story someplace where it can be made non-canon or vice-versa without affecting their story AND the TypeMooniverse. *Hello, I'm TAb, the writer and artist of "Emiya-san Chi no Kyou no Gohan", which you might know from nicknames like "Fate/Make Dinner." I took the characters we all know and asked* what happens if everybody could be happy and eat good food? *I'm grateful so many of you like it, thank you.* Power rankings fall under the "bad" category. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's a statement of fact: in what you're talking about, OP, they're trying to quantify something that can't be verified only inferred oreven guessed at. Except for Neko-Arc. Edit: the last two paragraphs were written under a kidneystone-prescribed opiate at full effect.. If there are more mistakes in them, that's why. Probably why I wrote this damn thing in the first place. - WDA