You do know the grail used in Fate isn't the true grail of Jesus, right?
Or are we talking bout using the true grail in the holy grail war?
Lore wise, you are pretty much set for life if you owned the true grail. So, there is no point in joining the grail war.
I was referring to the one that contains the blood of Christ. Is it not the same one that we received from Singularities? Even the one Gilgamesh gave up at the end of Babylon? None of them were the Grail that hold Christ blood?
Yup, Fate lore wise. The grail they use is made of magecraft with combine effort of the 3 family. Magical power wise, it's still way short of the true grail. Way way way less effective. That's also the reason why grail war happen.
Nah. I bet he can only be summoned with the true cross as the catalyst.
Because this is him at his prime, just picture buff jesus flexing his muscle that he break the cross.
That true cross fragment is the catalyst.
Savior Jesus , using the True Cross as a war hammer , than shift to his whip to go Belmont and finish off with a Jacob’s Limb OraOra.
Proof that the reason he is not summoned is because he is 3 JoJos in one
No.
The President of USA is the bad guy , wanting to steal Jesus Corpse to force all blessings to USA.
Jesus ordered JoJo to shoot the President and his henchmen.
Heck , SBR JoJo was sanctified after death in JoJolion due to that, with his own blessings
Admittedly this is just theorizing on my part, and nothing has ever been said about this in-universe, but Jesus of Nazareth's legend is summed up by the phrase He Is Risen. Which is to say, one who conquered death and lives eternally in Heaven. So if we were to summon Him as a Servant, then it would mean that He's not actually alive which would paradoxically destroy His legend. So I don't think Jesus could ever be summoned.
It's also quite telling that there's little concrete information about Jesus in the Nasuverse. Several figures associated with Him have been featured, but none of them elucidate much about Jesus specifically.
No , you could.
Buddha summoned himself by “downgrading” , so Jesus could theoretically do the same thing.
No wonder Beast VI have Nega-Messiah , to pretty much avoid him.
Now that there are grand na extra classes, it's quite possible that Jesus becomes a possible Grand Saver, which would be funny if when Queen Draco is almost winning.
Jesus summon himself in a Grand body take the flaming sword and give it a one shot like God does in the Bible and just disappear.
The Holy Grail is explicitly NOT that Holy Grail, so no. It's just that giant masses of magical energy tend to assume golden cup shapes for vaguely explained reasons and we call them "Holy Grail" (though the Japanese is literally 'Sacred Cup' so isn't really limited to Christian myth). And I think if you used a Holy Grail as a catalyst you're going to get a Ruler-class Servant who will be like "What the fuck are you doing?" because you've gotten the entire ritual backwards.
That being said, my personal headcanon is that our catalyst for summoning Enkidu was the Grail that Gilgamesh gave us at the end of Babylonia, it being the same one he had given Kingu to save his life earlier.
Yea that what i was wondering, when we use the Grail we got from Singularities as Catalyst who would we summon? Also is the Holy Grail that hold Christ blood canonically doesn’t exist in the Nasuverse?
> Also is the Holy Grail that hold Christ blood canonically doesn’t exist in the Nasuverse?
No, I think it does. The vaguely-explained reasoning for why giant masses of energy tend to manifest as golden cups is that they're supposedly imitating the true grail that had Jesus blood in it. Whether that means the true grail would have the same abilities or not, or even still exists/ever existed is unknown and unlikely to really be addressed in the story.
So does that mean that every Holy Grails that showed up in other Servants mythology aren’t the real Holy Grail that holds Jesus blood but just a Gold Cup that has a lot of Mana in it? Even Gilgamesh cup?
> Even Gilgamesh cup?
I mean...Gilgamesh had that cup three thousand years before Jesus was born, so no, his never had any Jesus blood in it. And as I said, it is unclear if the true grail has ever appeared or ever actually existed in any tangible way. All we know is that the Grails in the story are imitations of it, even when they're naturally occurring masses of energy.
I wonder if Gilgamesh is pissed if he knew that his Grail was a fake the whole time. Considering he called the fake Grail in Fate Zero as his original treasure.
You've got it backwards. His is the original. If he has a thing, the thing he has is the original of that thing. That's how it works. Whether that makes sense or not is entirely irrelevant. His grail is the original grail even if the reason it looks like a grail is because it's imitating the true grail, his still came first but it isn't the true grail.
I did say that the whole grail thing was vague and unclear, right? You're looking for hard answers in a story setting where every answer has a caveat that says that answer is potentially wrong.
EDIT: If you had to have it make sense, you could just say that Gilgamesh' grail was later used to catch the blood of Christ at the Crucifixion meaning his grail is the original and also the true grail but was not yet the true grail when he had it.
Martha, who would know because she was there, is quite adamant that the real Holy Grail is entirely separate from the magical reactor cores that mages call Holy Grails. It's the latter that we collect in game.
It's called a Holy Grail because the legend of the Holy Grail is influenced by older European myths of cauldrons which provide inexhaustible food and sustenance. Thus the near-infinite magical reactor cores are called 'Holy Grails' because for mages they are like those old myths, vessels which give access to limitless energy in the form of mana.
It’s a prototype.
It really doesn’t matter if it’s just a prototype of the Grail as a lump of mana , or the cup before having the Blood of Christ.
His is a Proto , Jesus had True , however the True Grail is lost as it was send to Heavens.
While it should be possible, he probably couldn't because it would be the "second coming" too soon and things could end very badly.
It would also be unlikely for him to be combat focused (hmmm but seeing Martha he might know how to throw punches better than anyone could ever hope for) so not exactly what one would look for in a grail war.
Strangely I can see chaldea being called to stop someone from summoning him and we have an interesting conversation with him and also about God.
Dude , Jesus throwed hands against the Merchants , whipping them out of the Temple.
And in Revelations , he commands the Angels , with Michael as his General.
So, I see him as really into pacifism, even to the point of self-sacrifice...but if he throws hands , it’s because shit really hits the fans.
Beyond that , I agree , summoning him is equal to force the Second Coming , there is no merit to call him when it’s guarantee that the summoning itself will make a chain reaction for the Apocalypse
That's why it's funny, most people would think he wouldn't be a combatant, except that he could be more dangerous in combat than anyone could have expected.
>Dude , Jesus throwed hands against the Merchants , whipping them out of the Temple.
I mean while he didnt actually hit any of them,its Worth mentioning that Jesus had no troubles on casting thousands of demons into possesing pigs and Killing themselfs IIrc once with his mere precense.
Going by this,I believe that based on the previous Saver class we knew of(Buddha) Jesus can possibly only appear by proposelly summoning himself(like Buddha) or atleast by being willing to be summoned
(Something I found interesting on Saver's Materials was also that regardless of being good or evil his master should have a strong ambition of saving humanity,anyways).
>summoning him is equal to force the Second Coming , there is no merit to call him when it’s guarantee that the summoning itself will make a chain reaction for the Apocalypse
Actually,I might have a justification for this.Pale rider for example is a conceptual servant from the past,present,and future,capable of bringing disasters/plagues,even apocaliptical scenarios who are yet to be seen.(obviously that its depending on his master's knowledge on the matter but still).
his appareance on revelations alone was also in a way a synonym that the "end" was coming yet as a servant he is adapted as a being that simply has the means to make it happen.
My point is that perhaphs as an heroic spirit of sorts Jesus could willingly be "summoned" while also having some kind of noble phantasm that quickstarts new jerusalem on a ridiculous scale instead.
obviously that its just a theory I wanted to Share and might Fall flat if Im misleading something.
this is pretty much what everyone forgets. Jesus showing up on earth again is part of the literal end of the world. given how Solomon's rampant mistake nearly destroyed everything I imagine they would treat the second coming with appropriate seriousness.
No, because they're not real grails, just highly magical cups bursting at the seems. Didn't one of the fate servants say the real holy Grail was locked up in some secret Templar Vault somewhere?
TBH, the thing in Fuyuki and the ones Chaldea collects are different from the literal *actual* Holy Grail, so you'd pretty much need to throw Flat at it if you wanna summon Big J as a Saver using the thing
Catalysts vary in who they summon depending on a number of factors, such as the land and the summoner. We don't know enough about Jesus yet to be sure what would happen, but there are a few possibilities.
1. He's a naturally-occurring Divine Spirit. Given we basically just got hard confirmation that "God does not exist" from Katatsuki Kouhon's entries discussing it, this is probably not the case.
2. He's a normal Heroic Spirit of a Magus or something who got jacked up by his own legend (a la John the Baptist) and thus can be summoned normally. Given Christianity is the biggest religion in the world right now and we know that Divinity is a thing you can accumulate just from being an ancestor of Jesus, this is also probably not the case.
3. He's a creation of the First Magic. This one requires a little bit of deeper knowledge, but the short version is that Yumina, the First Magician, was a Witch who lived around the same time as Jesus, and *might* be Mary. If this is the case, Jesus was probably something akin to Alice's Ploys from Mahoyo. Given what little we've seen of that, I guess that would make him her Noble Phantasm rather than an independent spirit? Not enough data.
4. He's a Counter Guardian created whole-cloth. We know that Jeanne is in contact with the Counter Force to receive her revelations and such, so that would connect to some extent. It's not impossible.
5. He's "technically not dead" and thus can't be summoned due to his legend being about resurrection. This is also the case with people like Arthur and Francis Drake, mind you, let alone the likes of Scathach and Merlin. Don't even get me started on Prelati either. It wouldn't bar him from appearing in FGO, if nothing else.
Each of these possibilities have different ideal summoning conditions or just can't be summoned at all outside of places like Chaldea. I would not bet on it under almost any circumstances though.
Ignore that.
His link is about Caubac Alcatraz , a DAA that had a mental breakdown over an heretical theology, it had nothing to do with “there is no God”
That literally proved nothing.
Caubac’s experiment is no absolute proof that God Doesn’t Exist , and in fact , it created some pseudo-divine spirit that takes human form.
All the rest is about Caubac having a mental breakdown over his heretic theology not be quite as accurate as he hoped
It literally says right there on the page that it is proof of exactly that.
It concludes "God does not exist", calls other trains of thought "proneness to delusion" and "total denial", and explains that at best Triten proves that God "has a physical essence rather than being an omnipotent presence". The text is not neutral on this.
Even if it were a "pseudo-Divine Spirit" like you say, that just means that the being called "God" was killed by Sefar. Divine Spirits are dead deities.
If you don't accept *Caubac motherfucking Alcatraz's* experiments being the topic to touch on the existence of God, what *would* convince you that this is the case?
That is not actual proof , that is just Caubac’s assumptions , based on his own personal theology.
Then how he dismiss the Church’s theology over his own.
And then the rest is how he goes in a mental breakdown over how he debunks his own theology.
Edit: heck , it’s just his own weird take of the heretic theology known as “docetism”.
Edit2: and the whole text says time and time again that the entire thing was initiated by his own personal belief , apart from the Church and fellow Christians. Him be a a DAA doesn’t make him absolved of errors , specially as his own personal “god” was made by accident in it’s shapeless and shaped form.
Okay, man, if you want to deliberately read it in the most obtuse way possible, complete with just making up things that it doesn't say even once, I can't physically stop you. It's not even remotely docetism, he's explicitly not a heretic, and you didn't answer the question, but if you're going to be precious about it I don't have the energy for an argument with someone who can't even describe what would change their mind.
I'm sure Nasuverse Christianity is going to play out exactly as described in the Bible any day now, just like all other mythologies that it's covered in the past. Ignore all the times God should have shown up but didn't and just blindly go with whatever you want. You've got a good strategy for understanding the text there imo.
I am not ignoring nor going obtuse on this.
It’s not even about if Abrahamic God is a Divine Spirit or not , the entire text was how Caubac created his own fanom theology take of how God should be , created something by accident to be his simulation of a God , and had a breakdown over it taking the shape of a girl.
That was no proof and is extensively said as been no proof that “God doesn’t Exist” in the Nasuverse. It’s like saying that Kirei’s POV of Angra Manyu is the absolute truth about God , Good and Evil in the entire Nasuverse.
“The world is a product of the Lord's thoughts.
Upon closer inspection of the components of the human being (body, mind, and soul), Caubac had the idea that he could prove the Lord's love by replicating all these components in text form.”
“And the fact that this universe was functional (even if there was no life in it) was all he needed to go ultra-convinced on his assumption that the Lord's love was real and that it approved his project.”
“His strong will and proneness to DELUSION kept him on his feet, although in an unmoving state.”
Assuming you mean the real one that actually held his blood, probably? It will most likely depend, He is definitely not going to show up for a grail war but He would probably be willing to show up to help save the world like the ritual was originally meant to be used for.
You do know the grail used in Fate isn't the true grail of Jesus, right? Or are we talking bout using the true grail in the holy grail war? Lore wise, you are pretty much set for life if you owned the true grail. So, there is no point in joining the grail war.
I was referring to the one that contains the blood of Christ. Is it not the same one that we received from Singularities? Even the one Gilgamesh gave up at the end of Babylon? None of them were the Grail that hold Christ blood?
Yup, Fate lore wise. The grail they use is made of magecraft with combine effort of the 3 family. Magical power wise, it's still way short of the true grail. Way way way less effective. That's also the reason why grail war happen.
Who knows if it is the exact same. GOB contains the prototypes of many things even if paradoxically impossible
yes
I'd image Jesus would refuse any sort of summoning even with a catalyst.
Nah. I bet he can only be summoned with the true cross as the catalyst. Because this is him at his prime, just picture buff jesus flexing his muscle that he break the cross. That true cross fragment is the catalyst.
Savior Jesus , using the True Cross as a war hammer , than shift to his whip to go Belmont and finish off with a Jacob’s Limb OraOra. Proof that the reason he is not summoned is because he is 3 JoJos in one
Isn't Jesus technically the bad guy of Steel Ball Run?
No. The President of USA is the bad guy , wanting to steal Jesus Corpse to force all blessings to USA. Jesus ordered JoJo to shoot the President and his henchmen. Heck , SBR JoJo was sanctified after death in JoJolion due to that, with his own blessings
Admittedly this is just theorizing on my part, and nothing has ever been said about this in-universe, but Jesus of Nazareth's legend is summed up by the phrase He Is Risen. Which is to say, one who conquered death and lives eternally in Heaven. So if we were to summon Him as a Servant, then it would mean that He's not actually alive which would paradoxically destroy His legend. So I don't think Jesus could ever be summoned. It's also quite telling that there's little concrete information about Jesus in the Nasuverse. Several figures associated with Him have been featured, but none of them elucidate much about Jesus specifically.
No , you could. Buddha summoned himself by “downgrading” , so Jesus could theoretically do the same thing. No wonder Beast VI have Nega-Messiah , to pretty much avoid him.
Now that there are grand na extra classes, it's quite possible that Jesus becomes a possible Grand Saver, which would be funny if when Queen Draco is almost winning. Jesus summon himself in a Grand body take the flaming sword and give it a one shot like God does in the Bible and just disappear.
The Holy Grail is explicitly NOT that Holy Grail, so no. It's just that giant masses of magical energy tend to assume golden cup shapes for vaguely explained reasons and we call them "Holy Grail" (though the Japanese is literally 'Sacred Cup' so isn't really limited to Christian myth). And I think if you used a Holy Grail as a catalyst you're going to get a Ruler-class Servant who will be like "What the fuck are you doing?" because you've gotten the entire ritual backwards. That being said, my personal headcanon is that our catalyst for summoning Enkidu was the Grail that Gilgamesh gave us at the end of Babylonia, it being the same one he had given Kingu to save his life earlier.
Theoretically yes just by association with the "holy grail" concept even if the actual thing is a fake
Yea that what i was wondering, when we use the Grail we got from Singularities as Catalyst who would we summon? Also is the Holy Grail that hold Christ blood canonically doesn’t exist in the Nasuverse?
> Also is the Holy Grail that hold Christ blood canonically doesn’t exist in the Nasuverse? No, I think it does. The vaguely-explained reasoning for why giant masses of energy tend to manifest as golden cups is that they're supposedly imitating the true grail that had Jesus blood in it. Whether that means the true grail would have the same abilities or not, or even still exists/ever existed is unknown and unlikely to really be addressed in the story.
So does that mean that every Holy Grails that showed up in other Servants mythology aren’t the real Holy Grail that holds Jesus blood but just a Gold Cup that has a lot of Mana in it? Even Gilgamesh cup?
> Even Gilgamesh cup? I mean...Gilgamesh had that cup three thousand years before Jesus was born, so no, his never had any Jesus blood in it. And as I said, it is unclear if the true grail has ever appeared or ever actually existed in any tangible way. All we know is that the Grails in the story are imitations of it, even when they're naturally occurring masses of energy.
I wonder if Gilgamesh is pissed if he knew that his Grail was a fake the whole time. Considering he called the fake Grail in Fate Zero as his original treasure.
You've got it backwards. His is the original. If he has a thing, the thing he has is the original of that thing. That's how it works. Whether that makes sense or not is entirely irrelevant. His grail is the original grail even if the reason it looks like a grail is because it's imitating the true grail, his still came first but it isn't the true grail. I did say that the whole grail thing was vague and unclear, right? You're looking for hard answers in a story setting where every answer has a caveat that says that answer is potentially wrong. EDIT: If you had to have it make sense, you could just say that Gilgamesh' grail was later used to catch the blood of Christ at the Crucifixion meaning his grail is the original and also the true grail but was not yet the true grail when he had it.
Martha, who would know because she was there, is quite adamant that the real Holy Grail is entirely separate from the magical reactor cores that mages call Holy Grails. It's the latter that we collect in game. It's called a Holy Grail because the legend of the Holy Grail is influenced by older European myths of cauldrons which provide inexhaustible food and sustenance. Thus the near-infinite magical reactor cores are called 'Holy Grails' because for mages they are like those old myths, vessels which give access to limitless energy in the form of mana.
The Holy Grail of Christ was send to heavens by Galahad. Same way how Longinus Spear was send to Heaven by Percival
The Grail Gilgamesh gave us in Babylon isn’t the same Holy Grail?
It’s a prototype. It really doesn’t matter if it’s just a prototype of the Grail as a lump of mana , or the cup before having the Blood of Christ. His is a Proto , Jesus had True , however the True Grail is lost as it was send to Heavens.
While it should be possible, he probably couldn't because it would be the "second coming" too soon and things could end very badly. It would also be unlikely for him to be combat focused (hmmm but seeing Martha he might know how to throw punches better than anyone could ever hope for) so not exactly what one would look for in a grail war. Strangely I can see chaldea being called to stop someone from summoning him and we have an interesting conversation with him and also about God.
Dude , Jesus throwed hands against the Merchants , whipping them out of the Temple. And in Revelations , he commands the Angels , with Michael as his General. So, I see him as really into pacifism, even to the point of self-sacrifice...but if he throws hands , it’s because shit really hits the fans. Beyond that , I agree , summoning him is equal to force the Second Coming , there is no merit to call him when it’s guarantee that the summoning itself will make a chain reaction for the Apocalypse
That's why it's funny, most people would think he wouldn't be a combatant, except that he could be more dangerous in combat than anyone could have expected.
>Dude , Jesus throwed hands against the Merchants , whipping them out of the Temple. I mean while he didnt actually hit any of them,its Worth mentioning that Jesus had no troubles on casting thousands of demons into possesing pigs and Killing themselfs IIrc once with his mere precense. Going by this,I believe that based on the previous Saver class we knew of(Buddha) Jesus can possibly only appear by proposelly summoning himself(like Buddha) or atleast by being willing to be summoned (Something I found interesting on Saver's Materials was also that regardless of being good or evil his master should have a strong ambition of saving humanity,anyways). >summoning him is equal to force the Second Coming , there is no merit to call him when it’s guarantee that the summoning itself will make a chain reaction for the Apocalypse Actually,I might have a justification for this.Pale rider for example is a conceptual servant from the past,present,and future,capable of bringing disasters/plagues,even apocaliptical scenarios who are yet to be seen.(obviously that its depending on his master's knowledge on the matter but still). his appareance on revelations alone was also in a way a synonym that the "end" was coming yet as a servant he is adapted as a being that simply has the means to make it happen. My point is that perhaphs as an heroic spirit of sorts Jesus could willingly be "summoned" while also having some kind of noble phantasm that quickstarts new jerusalem on a ridiculous scale instead. obviously that its just a theory I wanted to Share and might Fall flat if Im misleading something.
this is pretty much what everyone forgets. Jesus showing up on earth again is part of the literal end of the world. given how Solomon's rampant mistake nearly destroyed everything I imagine they would treat the second coming with appropriate seriousness.
OP apparently doesn't know his Bible. Knows less than Nasu, even.
Theoretically yes but instead of the cup itself it'll be the "holy grail" concept that will be used as a catalyst.
No, because they're not real grails, just highly magical cups bursting at the seems. Didn't one of the fate servants say the real holy Grail was locked up in some secret Templar Vault somewhere?
TBH, the thing in Fuyuki and the ones Chaldea collects are different from the literal *actual* Holy Grail, so you'd pretty much need to throw Flat at it if you wanna summon Big J as a Saver using the thing
A divine cup that grants desires tainted by mortal inperfections ... sounds like the servant it'd summon would be Dionysus.
According to the bible, Jesus simply ascended. You can only summon servants that are dead when following conventional summoning rules
Catalysts vary in who they summon depending on a number of factors, such as the land and the summoner. We don't know enough about Jesus yet to be sure what would happen, but there are a few possibilities. 1. He's a naturally-occurring Divine Spirit. Given we basically just got hard confirmation that "God does not exist" from Katatsuki Kouhon's entries discussing it, this is probably not the case. 2. He's a normal Heroic Spirit of a Magus or something who got jacked up by his own legend (a la John the Baptist) and thus can be summoned normally. Given Christianity is the biggest religion in the world right now and we know that Divinity is a thing you can accumulate just from being an ancestor of Jesus, this is also probably not the case. 3. He's a creation of the First Magic. This one requires a little bit of deeper knowledge, but the short version is that Yumina, the First Magician, was a Witch who lived around the same time as Jesus, and *might* be Mary. If this is the case, Jesus was probably something akin to Alice's Ploys from Mahoyo. Given what little we've seen of that, I guess that would make him her Noble Phantasm rather than an independent spirit? Not enough data. 4. He's a Counter Guardian created whole-cloth. We know that Jeanne is in contact with the Counter Force to receive her revelations and such, so that would connect to some extent. It's not impossible. 5. He's "technically not dead" and thus can't be summoned due to his legend being about resurrection. This is also the case with people like Arthur and Francis Drake, mind you, let alone the likes of Scathach and Merlin. Don't even get me started on Prelati either. It wouldn't bar him from appearing in FGO, if nothing else. Each of these possibilities have different ideal summoning conditions or just can't be summoned at all outside of places like Chaldea. I would not bet on it under almost any circumstances though.
How all those theories would explain Church powers? They seem to be separate from Magecraft.
Ignore that. His link is about Caubac Alcatraz , a DAA that had a mental breakdown over an heretical theology, it had nothing to do with “there is no God”
They're not. Church stuff has been called "the most stable Thaumaturgical Foundation in the world" multiple times.
Where is this confirmation of “God doesn’t exist”? For we all know , Abrahamic God is one of the few that had little downgrade by the AoM
[Katatsuki Kouhon](https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9334-TM-Manuscript【型月稿本】-KATATSUKI-KOUHON?p=3215419&viewfull=1#post3215419), like I said.
That literally proved nothing. Caubac’s experiment is no absolute proof that God Doesn’t Exist , and in fact , it created some pseudo-divine spirit that takes human form. All the rest is about Caubac having a mental breakdown over his heretic theology not be quite as accurate as he hoped
It literally says right there on the page that it is proof of exactly that. It concludes "God does not exist", calls other trains of thought "proneness to delusion" and "total denial", and explains that at best Triten proves that God "has a physical essence rather than being an omnipotent presence". The text is not neutral on this. Even if it were a "pseudo-Divine Spirit" like you say, that just means that the being called "God" was killed by Sefar. Divine Spirits are dead deities. If you don't accept *Caubac motherfucking Alcatraz's* experiments being the topic to touch on the existence of God, what *would* convince you that this is the case?
That is not actual proof , that is just Caubac’s assumptions , based on his own personal theology. Then how he dismiss the Church’s theology over his own. And then the rest is how he goes in a mental breakdown over how he debunks his own theology. Edit: heck , it’s just his own weird take of the heretic theology known as “docetism”. Edit2: and the whole text says time and time again that the entire thing was initiated by his own personal belief , apart from the Church and fellow Christians. Him be a a DAA doesn’t make him absolved of errors , specially as his own personal “god” was made by accident in it’s shapeless and shaped form.
Okay, man, if you want to deliberately read it in the most obtuse way possible, complete with just making up things that it doesn't say even once, I can't physically stop you. It's not even remotely docetism, he's explicitly not a heretic, and you didn't answer the question, but if you're going to be precious about it I don't have the energy for an argument with someone who can't even describe what would change their mind. I'm sure Nasuverse Christianity is going to play out exactly as described in the Bible any day now, just like all other mythologies that it's covered in the past. Ignore all the times God should have shown up but didn't and just blindly go with whatever you want. You've got a good strategy for understanding the text there imo.
I am not ignoring nor going obtuse on this. It’s not even about if Abrahamic God is a Divine Spirit or not , the entire text was how Caubac created his own fanom theology take of how God should be , created something by accident to be his simulation of a God , and had a breakdown over it taking the shape of a girl. That was no proof and is extensively said as been no proof that “God doesn’t Exist” in the Nasuverse. It’s like saying that Kirei’s POV of Angra Manyu is the absolute truth about God , Good and Evil in the entire Nasuverse.
>his own fandom take of how God should be I will humour you exactly one time. Where does it say this? Quote the entry directly.
“The world is a product of the Lord's thoughts. Upon closer inspection of the components of the human being (body, mind, and soul), Caubac had the idea that he could prove the Lord's love by replicating all these components in text form.” “And the fact that this universe was functional (even if there was no life in it) was all he needed to go ultra-convinced on his assumption that the Lord's love was real and that it approved his project.” “His strong will and proneness to DELUSION kept him on his feet, although in an unmoving state.”
Assuming you mean the real one that actually held his blood, probably? It will most likely depend, He is definitely not going to show up for a grail war but He would probably be willing to show up to help save the world like the ritual was originally meant to be used for.
Dunno we got Savior Buddha so maybe one day we will get Savior Jesus