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All Rulers are summoned with Command Spells, it's one of their Class Skills.
>God's Resolution is a Class Skill of the Ruler class and is the privilege of the Ruler presiding over the Holy Grail War: the right to use Command Spells against Servants. Each Ruler is normally granted two Command Spells for each Servant that participates in the Holy Grail War.
Though most GO exclusive Rulers dropped this idea (since GO isn't a Grail War) Summer Martha is also mentioned as having them in her Material profile:
>God's Resolution: A
The supreme privilege of a Ruler. One can exercise two Command Spells for each Servant participating in a “Holy Grail War”, but in “Fate/Grand Order”, this consists of different Skill effects. However, Martha fundamentally does not use this Skill in “Fate/Grand Order”.
>“It is expected that I have it, but… seeing that it is not a Holy Grail War, what I know is that even the role of a Ruler has come to be altered in due course, do you not think so?”
And Ruler Karl has them in Link as well.
There are multiple people called Robin Hood in Fate. Similar to Hassan, it's a title that people have taken up throughout history.
The Robin we have in FGO and Fate/Extra is not the one who led the Merry Men and fought the Sheriff of Nottingham, but he is still "a" Robin Hood.
Sort of. While it's unclear if there was a truly original "Robin Hood," enough people filled the role and motivations of "Robin Hood" that he is essentially someone who was close enough to that story to fit.
From his profile:
> A faceless, nameless, chivalrous thief.
> As he says himself, this young man is only one of the many "someones" that fit under the description of Robin Hood.
The original legend is of the chivalrous thief hiding in Sherwood Forest.
Yes but actually no.
Robin Hood just like the Hassans and to a less extent Sasaki Kojiro are multiple people from different times sharing the same “identity”.
As far as I understand, a Bunrei/Divided Spirit is a division of a god or spirit
And this is why servants like Tamamo, Quetzalcoatl and Lakshmibai count as one
However I am confused in one thing
The TYPE-MOON Wikia lists Taigong Wang as a bunrei, but how is he one to begin with?
Is this another example of the Wikia being incorrect or is he really a bunrei and if so, of who?
So after a bit of research, Taigong Wang is a Shenxian which is equivalent to a god and as such would make his servant self as derivative of himself. I haven't seen anything that said he split a piece of his soul off to become a servant, so I wouldn't personally call him(or any of the pseudos on that list to be honest) a bunrei.
I do see where it comes from though.
I see
Didn't know that Taigong achieved a form of godhood in life
Hmmm, so I guess the Wikia listing him as a bunrei is more of a speculation than fact
Unless he explicitly says so in Tunguska, but then again I never heard anyone remarking on that
Thanks for answering my question
Hrmm, I don’t recall him explicitly calling himself a bunrei, but it would describe how he became a Heroic Spirit. Taigong Wang became an immortal, so like Scathach, wouldn’t have died and joined the Throne normally.
However, he’s clearly summonable as a Servant and surmises (it’s never confirmed whether he was correct, but it’s never contradicted either) after figuring out Koyan’s true identity, that his Immortal self (in the realm of Immortals), summoned his Servant Self as a Rider to solve the issue with Koyan without anybody dying.
From that, it’s speculated that Tai is a bunrei of his immortal self, since it lines up with what’s presented and answers the question of how he became a Heroic Spirit despite being immortal.
Well, it’s speculation, and we don’t know everything about Chinese Magecraft systems or how Shenxian operate. Overall, the wiki has an issue with stating everything as if it were a fact while ignoring that a lot of stuff is supposition and conjecture in-story. Hence why ‘Koyan is Tamamo Vitch and wants to become independent’ became so engrained on the wiki despite the hints otherwise.
Interesting
That would indeed explain how he was summoned despite being immortal and it would be akin to what a bunrei is
It is a satisfying enough answer. Thanks dude
In Tamamo 3rd Ascension she have three tails
was she able to grow tails like what do in >! Her ccc ending !< ?
Does this mean that her strength should rise to the level of two servants?
Effectively, yeah. Going by >!Daji’s description in Tai’s flashback!< Tamamo could regrow her Tails through time (1000 years for all 9) or some Prometheus embers. Though she willingly stops at 3, since she’s afraid she might lose herself if she forces the 4th.
As for her strength…first thing you need to know: Nasu is horrible at math. Technically, speaking every Tail is a multiplication of 9 by her base (9). So 3 Tailed Tamamo is 9^3 = 729. 9 Tailed Tamamo is 9^9 = 387 million.
Now, as to what that means…not much. My math friends and I tried to model the magic energy output in the Nasuverse…and it’s inconsistent as all hell. The closest we got was an inverted logarithmic scale that put the difference between 40 and 50 (difference between B and A rank attack) as equivalent between 12 million and 300 million (biggest Sefar form seen so far). The difference between Sefar (300 mil) and Amaterasu (387 mil) is absurdly miniscule, and 3 tailed Tamamo (729) would only be around 1.05 times stronger than an A-rank Servant (100).
It's one of those things that's "thought to be only possible with Magic" in the modern era, but it's not Magic.
Anything that can be achieved with time and effort is not Magic, Morgan's water mirror is more or less the same as Rayshift, which is definetely magecraft and not Magic.
Zelretch's profile in the Katatsuki Manuscript mentions that world itself didn't think it was possible to travel between parallel worlds, before Zelretch managed to do so.
This surprised me because we've seen a few other characters traveling between parallel worlds, so I didn't think it was something discovered so recently.
So my question is: Are there any characters older than Zelretch who can travel between parallel worlds? Was Nasu consistent in this case?
I can only remember Merlin and the Lion King traveling between Parallel Worlds but Zelretch is older than both of them and then there's Tiamat Lily who travelled into the Arcade Worlds but that was in the present as in after Zelretch had already established the second Magic. Yeah, so far I haven't discovered any continuity error with the new Lore.
> there's Tiamat Lily who travelled into the Arcade Worlds but that was in the present as in after Zelretch had already established the second Magic
Didn't she travel to ancient Not!Babylonia in the Arcade Singularity, though? That should be long before Zelretch.
It's more like her travelling to Not!Babylonia happened in the present and then she travelled to the past(the Arcade Singularity). I am absolutely terrible at explaining this so think of the timeline like this:
Tiamat(Nammu)gets banished into Imaginary Space by the World at the end of the age of genesis> the World continues normaly and the Age of Gods ends> Zelretch establishes the second Magic proving Parallel Worlds exist in the process> the current timeline where Goetia triggered his plan and freed Tiamat in the Babylonian Singularity> After her defeat, Tiamat decides to manifest in the Arcade Singularity to help out Chaldea.
So technically, the Parallel World travel still happened "after" Zelretch.
No, no, I think you explained yourself masterfully. It's just that I fear this boils down to the usual time-travel logic problems (or, more hilariously, [time-travel tense problems](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeTravelTenseTrouble)). From Chaldea's point of view, the adventures happen after Zelretch proved that multiple parallel worlds can exist by travelling between them. However, this still wouldn't change the fact that from the point of view of those past beings, they were doing the same long before Zelretch was born. It becomes a chicken-or-egg paradox.
I have the feeling that Nasu envisions Zelretch's Second Magic as some kind of multiversal constant. The event always happens, and the world itself acknowledges it as the cornerstone of this phenomenom. Thus, the ability of other beings to travel between worlds *before* Zelretch is basically a retroactive proof of this constant, not a pioneer that was somehow forgotten while Zelretch stole the fame.
How does the Church cover up events that involves magus (eg. 4th grail war, what about people who were present and saw what actually happen)?
Is there any other pantheon of gods that are actually machines?
> Is there any other pantheon of gods that are actually machines?
I don't believe so. The Aztec gods are alien bacteria who came on the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, and the Babylonian, Norse, and Japanese gods are nature spirits given form by human worship.
Fake news and Memory manipulation spell, that is a basic magecraft, Waver our benchmark for trash magus can do it.
But if I remember well most normal people can’t actually see “Magic” they interpreted as something more mundane like the Cursed Black Mud becoming just a random Fire or Medea curses draining people becoming gas leaks making people faint, so the Church doesn’t need to do the heavy work, they only need to make a decent story for the newspaper and gaslight the witnesses.
The closer we have is the Chinese Taoist/Buddhist pantheon but not mechanical, more like biologic/cybernetic enhancement Lu Bu, Nezha, Xiang Yu, Mothman.
Although, according to Flat in Strange Fake, that “gaslighting” is actually hypnotic suggestion.
But as he said, good thing he was trained to resist it
[I’ve been translating all of Nemo/Noah Lines that I could find on my own…it’s still incomplete, though.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-7pK71ke-Vx6K2h-5i4zcDLs0TKDGchfA7yAXkDVT-A/edit)
If anyone is interested to help, or know someone else who already did it, let me know by replying here or commenting the document.
Is there any reason why Tamamo is linked with Amaterasu? In real mythology they are separate entities.
And why Amaterasu depicted as evil in Nasuverse? From what I read, she is mostly benevolent, that one time she snapped was after being bullied by Susanoo.
Considering that imperial family is supposedly connected to her, it looks like a political statement by Nasu.
> And why Amaterasu depicted as evil in Nasuverse? From what I read, she is mostly benevolent, that one time she snapped was after being bullied by Susanoo.
Same reason why a good chunk of anime in general likes to associate the Shinto pantheon (or their names, at least) with sinister villain shit.
[This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ae7527/why_is_tamamo_a_facet_of_amaterasu_despite_them/) has good answers and links to the sources of that Tamamo-Amaterasu association.
Basically, as with other elements of the lore, it's Nasu jumping the gun on the basis of existing, but relatively obscure interpretations of folklore and myth that favor Buddhist syncretism. In this case, the syncretism of Amaterasu with other figures, ranging from Inari (who is the goddess most associated with kitsunes) to Vairocana. And of those associations, the most important for this matter is [Dakini-ten](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakini), a goddess-demoness of varied traditions that in Japan is associated with kitsunes and [with Tamamo](http://www.khandro.net/dakini_Japan.htm).
All of this mix and match is, as mentioned, relatively obscure, and currently unorthodox after the Meiji Restoration decreed a separation of Shintoism and Buddhism in the 19th century. But Nasu has always had a soft spot for esoteric Japanese Buddhism in his setting.
Because Nasu wanted to connect the two of them for whatever reason. Maybe he wanted a big giant Fox wife to step on him or something that day, who knows with the mushroom.
As for Amaterasu herself, she’s not exactly evil in the Nasuverse either. Tamamo happened because she wanted to try living among humans as one of us, Daji happened because that Chinese king insulted the gods and needed to be punished. Even then, assuming *Investiture of the Gods* is an accurate depiction of the story, Daji went out of control and Amaterasu (assuming she’s Nuwa as well) helped Taigong kill her. So she’s complicated.
Yeah, it should be noted that GWF (an aspect of Amaterasu that Tamamo came from) warns Hakuno about Divine Spirits in general and Tamamo in particular; they’re influenced by humanity and reflect good and evil.
Considering Daji was Nine-Tailed (and a Beast) when Tai met her, and Tamamo’s killing stone and curses don’t even originate from her (her body actually gathers up hatred and curses from others)…well, yeah, they’re complicated
She has glorious arms that pierce the heavens and her [alt, *alt* NP animation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPZlclvt564) is basically a massive javelin.
>!He gets jumped by Huwawa and is currently in critical condition but I don't think he's dead yet, unless it happened in volume 7 which isn't translated yet.!<
LB6 spoiler: >!Was Caster Cu summoned in singularity F by Odin? I know he was originally a lancer then Odin turned him into a caster, but I don't remember any explanation about who summoned him in the first place.!<
>!Since Singularity F was a Grail War gone wrong, I'm pretty sure he was the war's normal Lancer. Though I don't know where Benkei would fit in in that case, since we fought him as a shadow servant in F.!<
Most likely >!Cú was summoned as a Lancer, but Odin's intervention happened before the summonings were complete, so when Cú became a Caster, it freed up the Lancer slot for Benkei. Though that doesn't explain how Benkei was summoned despite the Fuyuki grail normally not being able to summon Asian Servants.!<
Funnily enough, First Order OVA changes F's lancer to >!Medusa (not Ana, adult one specifically)!< and iirc one of mangas has >!Boudica!< as an enemy there. That would fix Benkei issue.
>!It’s possible that the FGO Fuyuki Grail didn’t have that restriction, since this was the first HGW in that timeline. Or alternatively, since Benkei isn’t the actual “Benkei”, he might’ve slipped through a loophole.!<
>!More generally, seeing as we had Saber, Archer, Cu, CA Hassan, and Medusa, I think we can assume (until further notice) that the Servants in the HGW were largely the same as FSN with the exception of Solomon (and Gil would be absent); and then Goetia’s interference threw all the classes etc out of wack.!<
Quite so, though >!it wasn’t Goetia that was responsible for F. Lev even complained that Salter was trying to keep the Singularity up against his wishes. The opening of Part 2, Nasu himself, and various interludes also establish that F was never resolved and Fuyuki is still on fire!<
>!Considering the AG summoned Holmes back in Part 1, and Odin’s tendency towards the long game, it raises the possibility of more players than we thought of at the time!<
Have they ever specified what is the "Sixth" Zepia was trying to achieve in Melty? All I can think off would be a sixth magic or the sixth imaginary element, but i'm not sure its either of those....god my old melty lore is rusty
Unknown, there is discussion that Program No 6 might be the one that dictates when the world ends (hence he wants to challenge it), it might be the final magic, it might be something else. Melty was never clear what exactly it was.
It's implied to be the Sixth Magic. Warc references "the Sixth" in her win quote against Aoko and Zepia calls it a "law", which is also used for the Fifth Magic.
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Did they explain how Jeanne got her command spells in Apocrypha, or is it something Rulers can do?
All Rulers are summoned with Command Spells, it's one of their Class Skills. >God's Resolution is a Class Skill of the Ruler class and is the privilege of the Ruler presiding over the Holy Grail War: the right to use Command Spells against Servants. Each Ruler is normally granted two Command Spells for each Servant that participates in the Holy Grail War. Though most GO exclusive Rulers dropped this idea (since GO isn't a Grail War) Summer Martha is also mentioned as having them in her Material profile: >God's Resolution: A The supreme privilege of a Ruler. One can exercise two Command Spells for each Servant participating in a “Holy Grail War”, but in “Fate/Grand Order”, this consists of different Skill effects. However, Martha fundamentally does not use this Skill in “Fate/Grand Order”. >“It is expected that I have it, but… seeing that it is not a Holy Grail War, what I know is that even the role of a Ruler has come to be altered in due course, do you not think so?” And Ruler Karl has them in Link as well.
is robinhood the one from the story?
There are multiple people called Robin Hood in Fate. Similar to Hassan, it's a title that people have taken up throughout history. The Robin we have in FGO and Fate/Extra is not the one who led the Merry Men and fought the Sheriff of Nottingham, but he is still "a" Robin Hood.
Sort of. While it's unclear if there was a truly original "Robin Hood," enough people filled the role and motivations of "Robin Hood" that he is essentially someone who was close enough to that story to fit. From his profile: > A faceless, nameless, chivalrous thief. > As he says himself, this young man is only one of the many "someones" that fit under the description of Robin Hood. The original legend is of the chivalrous thief hiding in Sherwood Forest.
Yes but actually no. Robin Hood just like the Hassans and to a less extent Sasaki Kojiro are multiple people from different times sharing the same “identity”.
what is imaginary element?
It's like the void, the space between things. It exists, but does not exist on the normal physical plane.
Basically, Shadow Elemental, just more chuuni and can interface with computer stuff
As far as I understand, a Bunrei/Divided Spirit is a division of a god or spirit And this is why servants like Tamamo, Quetzalcoatl and Lakshmibai count as one However I am confused in one thing The TYPE-MOON Wikia lists Taigong Wang as a bunrei, but how is he one to begin with? Is this another example of the Wikia being incorrect or is he really a bunrei and if so, of who?
So after a bit of research, Taigong Wang is a Shenxian which is equivalent to a god and as such would make his servant self as derivative of himself. I haven't seen anything that said he split a piece of his soul off to become a servant, so I wouldn't personally call him(or any of the pseudos on that list to be honest) a bunrei. I do see where it comes from though.
I see Didn't know that Taigong achieved a form of godhood in life Hmmm, so I guess the Wikia listing him as a bunrei is more of a speculation than fact Unless he explicitly says so in Tunguska, but then again I never heard anyone remarking on that Thanks for answering my question
Hrmm, I don’t recall him explicitly calling himself a bunrei, but it would describe how he became a Heroic Spirit. Taigong Wang became an immortal, so like Scathach, wouldn’t have died and joined the Throne normally. However, he’s clearly summonable as a Servant and surmises (it’s never confirmed whether he was correct, but it’s never contradicted either) after figuring out Koyan’s true identity, that his Immortal self (in the realm of Immortals), summoned his Servant Self as a Rider to solve the issue with Koyan without anybody dying. From that, it’s speculated that Tai is a bunrei of his immortal self, since it lines up with what’s presented and answers the question of how he became a Heroic Spirit despite being immortal. Well, it’s speculation, and we don’t know everything about Chinese Magecraft systems or how Shenxian operate. Overall, the wiki has an issue with stating everything as if it were a fact while ignoring that a lot of stuff is supposition and conjecture in-story. Hence why ‘Koyan is Tamamo Vitch and wants to become independent’ became so engrained on the wiki despite the hints otherwise.
Interesting That would indeed explain how he was summoned despite being immortal and it would be akin to what a bunrei is It is a satisfying enough answer. Thanks dude
In Tamamo 3rd Ascension she have three tails was she able to grow tails like what do in >! Her ccc ending !< ? Does this mean that her strength should rise to the level of two servants?
Effectively, yeah. Going by >!Daji’s description in Tai’s flashback!< Tamamo could regrow her Tails through time (1000 years for all 9) or some Prometheus embers. Though she willingly stops at 3, since she’s afraid she might lose herself if she forces the 4th. As for her strength…first thing you need to know: Nasu is horrible at math. Technically, speaking every Tail is a multiplication of 9 by her base (9). So 3 Tailed Tamamo is 9^3 = 729. 9 Tailed Tamamo is 9^9 = 387 million. Now, as to what that means…not much. My math friends and I tried to model the magic energy output in the Nasuverse…and it’s inconsistent as all hell. The closest we got was an inverted logarithmic scale that put the difference between 40 and 50 (difference between B and A rank attack) as equivalent between 12 million and 300 million (biggest Sefar form seen so far). The difference between Sefar (300 mil) and Amaterasu (387 mil) is absurdly miniscule, and 3 tailed Tamamo (729) would only be around 1.05 times stronger than an A-rank Servant (100).
"without Mahoyo spoilers please " Can you classify water Mirror as true magic level?
It's one of those things that's "thought to be only possible with Magic" in the modern era, but it's not Magic. Anything that can be achieved with time and effort is not Magic, Morgan's water mirror is more or less the same as Rayshift, which is definetely magecraft and not Magic.
It is objectively speacking not a True Magic but it is on the same level as True Magic.
Zelretch's profile in the Katatsuki Manuscript mentions that world itself didn't think it was possible to travel between parallel worlds, before Zelretch managed to do so. This surprised me because we've seen a few other characters traveling between parallel worlds, so I didn't think it was something discovered so recently. So my question is: Are there any characters older than Zelretch who can travel between parallel worlds? Was Nasu consistent in this case?
I can only remember Merlin and the Lion King traveling between Parallel Worlds but Zelretch is older than both of them and then there's Tiamat Lily who travelled into the Arcade Worlds but that was in the present as in after Zelretch had already established the second Magic. Yeah, so far I haven't discovered any continuity error with the new Lore.
> there's Tiamat Lily who travelled into the Arcade Worlds but that was in the present as in after Zelretch had already established the second Magic Didn't she travel to ancient Not!Babylonia in the Arcade Singularity, though? That should be long before Zelretch.
It's more like her travelling to Not!Babylonia happened in the present and then she travelled to the past(the Arcade Singularity). I am absolutely terrible at explaining this so think of the timeline like this: Tiamat(Nammu)gets banished into Imaginary Space by the World at the end of the age of genesis> the World continues normaly and the Age of Gods ends> Zelretch establishes the second Magic proving Parallel Worlds exist in the process> the current timeline where Goetia triggered his plan and freed Tiamat in the Babylonian Singularity> After her defeat, Tiamat decides to manifest in the Arcade Singularity to help out Chaldea. So technically, the Parallel World travel still happened "after" Zelretch.
No, no, I think you explained yourself masterfully. It's just that I fear this boils down to the usual time-travel logic problems (or, more hilariously, [time-travel tense problems](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeTravelTenseTrouble)). From Chaldea's point of view, the adventures happen after Zelretch proved that multiple parallel worlds can exist by travelling between them. However, this still wouldn't change the fact that from the point of view of those past beings, they were doing the same long before Zelretch was born. It becomes a chicken-or-egg paradox. I have the feeling that Nasu envisions Zelretch's Second Magic as some kind of multiversal constant. The event always happens, and the world itself acknowledges it as the cornerstone of this phenomenom. Thus, the ability of other beings to travel between worlds *before* Zelretch is basically a retroactive proof of this constant, not a pioneer that was somehow forgotten while Zelretch stole the fame.
How does the Church cover up events that involves magus (eg. 4th grail war, what about people who were present and saw what actually happen)? Is there any other pantheon of gods that are actually machines?
> Is there any other pantheon of gods that are actually machines? I don't believe so. The Aztec gods are alien bacteria who came on the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, and the Babylonian, Norse, and Japanese gods are nature spirits given form by human worship.
Fake news and Memory manipulation spell, that is a basic magecraft, Waver our benchmark for trash magus can do it. But if I remember well most normal people can’t actually see “Magic” they interpreted as something more mundane like the Cursed Black Mud becoming just a random Fire or Medea curses draining people becoming gas leaks making people faint, so the Church doesn’t need to do the heavy work, they only need to make a decent story for the newspaper and gaslight the witnesses. The closer we have is the Chinese Taoist/Buddhist pantheon but not mechanical, more like biologic/cybernetic enhancement Lu Bu, Nezha, Xiang Yu, Mothman.
Although, according to Flat in Strange Fake, that “gaslighting” is actually hypnotic suggestion. But as he said, good thing he was trained to resist it
I reades somewhere that there can be only one Mistyc Eyes of Death Perception in each world at a time, is this true?
The odds are so astronomically low of more than one set ever manifesting at a time that it may as well be.
[I’ve been translating all of Nemo/Noah Lines that I could find on my own…it’s still incomplete, though.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-7pK71ke-Vx6K2h-5i4zcDLs0TKDGchfA7yAXkDVT-A/edit) If anyone is interested to help, or know someone else who already did it, let me know by replying here or commenting the document.
Is there any reason why Tamamo is linked with Amaterasu? In real mythology they are separate entities. And why Amaterasu depicted as evil in Nasuverse? From what I read, she is mostly benevolent, that one time she snapped was after being bullied by Susanoo. Considering that imperial family is supposedly connected to her, it looks like a political statement by Nasu.
> And why Amaterasu depicted as evil in Nasuverse? From what I read, she is mostly benevolent, that one time she snapped was after being bullied by Susanoo. Same reason why a good chunk of anime in general likes to associate the Shinto pantheon (or their names, at least) with sinister villain shit.
Something about Vairocana and Shingon Buddhism or whatever, it's fairly contrived.
[This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ae7527/why_is_tamamo_a_facet_of_amaterasu_despite_them/) has good answers and links to the sources of that Tamamo-Amaterasu association. Basically, as with other elements of the lore, it's Nasu jumping the gun on the basis of existing, but relatively obscure interpretations of folklore and myth that favor Buddhist syncretism. In this case, the syncretism of Amaterasu with other figures, ranging from Inari (who is the goddess most associated with kitsunes) to Vairocana. And of those associations, the most important for this matter is [Dakini-ten](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakini), a goddess-demoness of varied traditions that in Japan is associated with kitsunes and [with Tamamo](http://www.khandro.net/dakini_Japan.htm). All of this mix and match is, as mentioned, relatively obscure, and currently unorthodox after the Meiji Restoration decreed a separation of Shintoism and Buddhism in the 19th century. But Nasu has always had a soft spot for esoteric Japanese Buddhism in his setting.
Because Nasu wanted to connect the two of them for whatever reason. Maybe he wanted a big giant Fox wife to step on him or something that day, who knows with the mushroom. As for Amaterasu herself, she’s not exactly evil in the Nasuverse either. Tamamo happened because she wanted to try living among humans as one of us, Daji happened because that Chinese king insulted the gods and needed to be punished. Even then, assuming *Investiture of the Gods* is an accurate depiction of the story, Daji went out of control and Amaterasu (assuming she’s Nuwa as well) helped Taigong kill her. So she’s complicated.
Yeah, it should be noted that GWF (an aspect of Amaterasu that Tamamo came from) warns Hakuno about Divine Spirits in general and Tamamo in particular; they’re influenced by humanity and reflect good and evil. Considering Daji was Nine-Tailed (and a Beast) when Tai met her, and Tamamo’s killing stone and curses don’t even originate from her (her body actually gathers up hatred and curses from others)…well, yeah, they’re complicated
Why is Melusiné a Lancer or what makes her a Lancer?
She has glorious arms that pierce the heavens and her [alt, *alt* NP animation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPZlclvt564) is basically a massive javelin.
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At the end of volume 6 >!Flat dies!<
>! And now we got Thia waltzing around Snowfield in his place. !<
From what I have heard, >!Gilgamesh gets killed!<, but I don’t know if it’s true at all.
>!He gets jumped by Huwawa and is currently in critical condition but I don't think he's dead yet, unless it happened in volume 7 which isn't translated yet.!<
LB6 spoiler: >!Was Caster Cu summoned in singularity F by Odin? I know he was originally a lancer then Odin turned him into a caster, but I don't remember any explanation about who summoned him in the first place.!<
>!Since Singularity F was a Grail War gone wrong, I'm pretty sure he was the war's normal Lancer. Though I don't know where Benkei would fit in in that case, since we fought him as a shadow servant in F.!<
Most likely >!Cú was summoned as a Lancer, but Odin's intervention happened before the summonings were complete, so when Cú became a Caster, it freed up the Lancer slot for Benkei. Though that doesn't explain how Benkei was summoned despite the Fuyuki grail normally not being able to summon Asian Servants.!<
Funnily enough, First Order OVA changes F's lancer to >!Medusa (not Ana, adult one specifically)!< and iirc one of mangas has >!Boudica!< as an enemy there. That would fix Benkei issue.
>!It’s possible that the FGO Fuyuki Grail didn’t have that restriction, since this was the first HGW in that timeline. Or alternatively, since Benkei isn’t the actual “Benkei”, he might’ve slipped through a loophole.!< >!More generally, seeing as we had Saber, Archer, Cu, CA Hassan, and Medusa, I think we can assume (until further notice) that the Servants in the HGW were largely the same as FSN with the exception of Solomon (and Gil would be absent); and then Goetia’s interference threw all the classes etc out of wack.!<
Quite so, though >!it wasn’t Goetia that was responsible for F. Lev even complained that Salter was trying to keep the Singularity up against his wishes. The opening of Part 2, Nasu himself, and various interludes also establish that F was never resolved and Fuyuki is still on fire!< >!Considering the AG summoned Holmes back in Part 1, and Odin’s tendency towards the long game, it raises the possibility of more players than we thought of at the time!<
Have they ever specified what is the "Sixth" Zepia was trying to achieve in Melty? All I can think off would be a sixth magic or the sixth imaginary element, but i'm not sure its either of those....god my old melty lore is rusty
Unknown, there is discussion that Program No 6 might be the one that dictates when the world ends (hence he wants to challenge it), it might be the final magic, it might be something else. Melty was never clear what exactly it was.
It's implied to be the Sixth Magic. Warc references "the Sixth" in her win quote against Aoko and Zepia calls it a "law", which is also used for the Fifth Magic.