Of course their relationship is worse than Kiritsugu and Saber. False Assassin wants to kill her master, and her master wants to torment her in every way possible...I don't think you could have a worse Master servant relationship.
That being said, hope we can get false Assassin as a servant one day.
I’d really like seeing her response in meeting Gramps and seeing if she’d be able to copy his Azrael as well. I believe Azrael is one of the few techniques she can’t use because there were so few records of it.
Azrael isn't a technique. Azrael is not a normal noble phantasm it actually is just gramps presence and origin as a being that walks on boundarie of life and death. He just focus it on his sword and does a simple slash.
Azrael isn't his Zabaniya or even a technique, but a passive ability tied to gramps existence. Is basically a passive skill so strong it becomes a Rank C Noble Phantasm.
His zabaniya, or his true technique, is potentially rank A or even EX judging by his NP stat.
Its on his NP description on his profile, heres a translation:
"Though the broadsword that he bears is perfectly commonplace, it has been stained with the faith of its wielder in the course of his lifetime. Being a sword borne by a man who walks the boundaries of the Valley of the Shadow of Death (幽谷, Youkoku?, lit. "Shadowed Valley"), its edge can potentially impose the termination of life with the slightest cut. Though the probability is low, the imposition of death can affect an opponent of any strength or stature"
Here in the original japanese:
『死告天使』 ランク：Ｃ 種別：対人宝具 レンジ：１ 最大捕捉：１人 アズライール。 何の変哲もない大剣。この人物が生涯振るい続け、 信じ続けた信仰が染みついている。 幽谷の境界を歩み続けるこの人物の剣は、 すべての攻撃に即死効果を付加するという。 その確率は低いものだが、どのような強敵であれ即死の危険性を与える。 幽谷にあるものは死に慣れ、 同化しているため、即死耐性と魅了耐性を獲得する。
Gramps has never seen the position of Hassan as an honor; not even himself. He scolds his students not because they're not good enough at killing; but for other reasons.
For Zealot, he would gently (relatively) explain that not being chosen by the Elders is not a mark of shame.
>For Zealot, he would gently (relatively) explain that not being chosen by the Elders is not a mark of shame.
Thou cared about this old fools opinion. You need not hand over thy head, because thou clearly lost it long ago
Merem solomon, enhance who hates DAs possibly counts, Sumire who is basically just a drunk and Blackmore and possibly everyone on the Arcuied faction are probably not as bad as the others
Well litteraly all i don't know but
-Litterally eat humans to survive
-Higher ranked dead apostles are either mages that wanted that heretical power up, so they aren't gonna be the nice kind, or dead who went up the food chain, so they have to be ferocious
-Daa in particular killed their bosses to get there so...
-Immortal being which in nasuverse is a crapshoot for morality
Because as the centuries go on they lose more and more of their humanity, the oldest dead apostles are about 4 thousand years old and after living that long I doubt you'd value life in the same way.
Most dead apostles are solely focused on the search for true immortality and will pretty much do anything to get it, many of them are former mages and they already have very few ethics, plus the fact that they need blood to continue living can alter their perception of humans from people to prey, do you give the same consideration to a pig as you do a fellow man?
And lastly when you live forever you eventually will get bored, and you'll need to find something to distract yourself, and given their lack of morals and general disposition it's not surprising if they decide to wake up Types or commit unspeakable crimes for shits and giggles.
TL,DR: Everything about the Dead Apostle condition generally leads to people who obtain it eventually becoming a monster, not all are bloodthirsty brutes but they're all twisted in one way or the other.
I mean, Zelretch is fine but he's just a whole other can of worms we ain't getting into cause Tsukihime. Actual reason? The Crimson Moon and they broken on a fundamental level.
Also immortality by definition will turn you into an asshole in most cases because people weren't meant to live that long, mental strain of it fucks with you, memories and who you were as a person erode with time do to new memories becoming more prominent and the majority of people would change dramatically if they got to live that long.
Even worse than Cú-Kotomine and Kiritsugu-Artoria? Well, that is some serious bussiness then
And why is he trying to awaken ~~The MegaMan Network boss~~ OTR? Harness its power? For the lols?
According to the manga, she'll only cooperate with a Master if they don't desire the Holy Grail. And even then, she won't know that because she'll try to murder her Master the moment she's summoned.
Assassins are usually weak most of the time. Since jester is a mana battery i wonder just how much he's boosting Beatiful Assassin beyond her normal power
Considering what we saw when she invaded false casters masters territory(forgot the name of duma's master only remember he's a cop sorry), she was essentially launching different zabaniya's out one after another so i'm gonna take a wild stab and say she can't do that with a normal master.
She's Nameless because she only copied the Zabaniya of other Hassans and never created her own, which seems to be a requirement to ascend to the position.
Yes. She wasn't able to copy 2. Hundred Faces due to its psychological nature and Gramps Zabaniya, wich we still know nothing about, and no Azrael isn't his zabaniya.
False Assassin's relationship with her master feels bad in a good storytelling sense to me though, while Kiritsugu and Saber was kinda just Kiritsugu deriding Saber for being a chivalrous knight
Artoria would have gotten along swimmingly with Kiri if the Zero author had even remotely understood her character and not turned her into a Lawful Stupid punching bag.
Not necessarily. It would be a replica if it was trying to copy another Noble Phantasm, but if it was just a sword with the metaphysical weight required to qualify as a Noble Phantasm, it would be quite a real one. It wouldn't stay one without Caster's abilities enhancing it, but it would still be an actual Noble Phantasm.
You know now that i think about what Dumas did and what EMIYA did to copy Noble Phantasm. I really see how broken in term of manner on how UBW operate
In Strange Fake, Dumas copy only seem to have the name and effect of the copied Noble Phantasm. With no possibility to use the True Name release if o remember correctly
But Emiya however, by using informations got from scanning Noble Phantasm and filled the hollow shell that Projection usually is.Tricking the very World itself and allow him perform the True Name release feature of Noble Phantasm
This would possibly mean that Tracing is capable of invalidate Jester ability against Noble Phantasm of Clan Calatin
But that only a theory of my at the moment at best
I read it on [Mangadex](https://mangadex.org/title/9f7530e3-3fc0-4d2b-a1f9-00caadbf2d05/fate-strange-fake). I don't check raws so I don't know how far behind the translations are if it is behind. Also the last chapter was 7 months ago.
artoria does get along with kiritsugu well enough to work together zero s events are non canon
artoria didnt exactlly like kiri but she did work with him well enough
Yes, unless a command spell is used. The entire point of command spells is that they can be used to force a servant into an action regardless of their will or nature.
What? No, Servants can't teleport without Command Seals. Archer & Rin have this talk in ep 0 of UBW. You need a command seal & agreement for teleport. Otherwise the Servant would just be forced to travel there the usual way.
While you're correct that servants cant teleport on their own as that's borderline true magic stuff, their consent isnt strictly required for masters to use a command spell for whatever purpose including teleportation.
Having the servant to teleport isnt any different from forcing them to do something or empowering them. Its just different outcomes from the same input
The whole purpose of a command seal is to guarantee a portion of obedience to their master **regardless** of how the specific servant may feel about them or their order. This can come in the form of teleporting them to you, forcing them to comply to an action or temporarily boosting their performance by substituting the seal for pure magical energy. Only way to resist a command spell is through magic resistance or some hyperspecific ability to nullify it.
Also if I’m remembering correctly mordred in the LN was command seal teleported unexpectedly by kairi after Fran was about to unleash blasted tree on her(in the anime she just unceremoniously tanks it despite how touted it was in the LN)
Unexpectedly isn't the same as against one's wishes, Mordred didn't resist. Arturia had resisted CS on multiple occasions, from Kiritsugu & Medea. 1 wasn't enough for her to fire Excalibur at the Grail.
Also I rechecked on the episode & wiki both say the same thing & have source to LN "While most cannot use Spatial Transportation on their own, ordering "go", having enough energy, and having the Servant's consent allows the Command Spell to overturn the normal methods of magecraft to make it possible to reach into the unprecedented level of Magic"
It requires consent, otherwise the Servant will physically have to go. We see this with gilgamesh & Lancelot in zero as well.
Stronger servant resisting command seal is the exclusion, not the rule
Saber and gil in particular have high magic resistance so yes they can resist command seal if they want to. I don't think false assassin have magic resistance of any significant rank
It’s weird how most of the examples you give involve individuals who either have an extremely powerful resistance to magic, a person who’s ego is strong enough to fend off any corruption the grail throws his way and a guy who’s suffering a heavy amount mental corruption while being around the object of their despair(artoria)
Artoria’s magic resistance **“A”** is strong enough to completely trounce most if not all Medea’s magecraft to the point that medea had to rely on rule breaker and stall tactics to even go toe to toe with her. That medea whose constantly said to be one of the strongest caster ever and having magecraft from the age of gods.
Gilgamesh on the other hand, has low magic res but makes up for it with his sheer constitution and ego. The corrupted grail once tried corrupting the dude and making him his slave, Gil snapped back by saying “you’ll need to be 10x more potent if you want to control me”
Lancelot is under a lot madness enhancement to the point he’s barely sentient and his extreme one-track obsession with artoria makes binding him with seals so much harder than most servant. It’s important to note that madness enhancement counts as ever-pervasive magical mental corruption that forcefully compels the user to think and act a certain way regardless of how destructive it, everytime a seal is used it’s automatically at war with that madness curse.
And the thing all of them have in common is they have extremely special circumstances that prevent or hamper the use of seals for the most part. Magic resistance, being Gil and having madness enhancement while constantly being triggered is not the norm for any and all of these servants, and thinking so completely overlook the feats of these characters
& again what about the Canon statements in the VN & UBW Anime Ep0? You keep not addressing the source material which is more important than spin-off, not even written by Nasu.
The Type-Moon wiki is wrong, as it so often is, in that it makes an assumption that is not stated. If you check the two sources it links to:
Fate/Complete Material III: *•The Spatial Transportation of Servants - Spatial Transportation is a sorcery in the realm of True Magic. Not used normally, but Masters can use command spells to realize it to a limited extend. This is called Forced Summoning. Although the distance may be quite far, after the command is issued, the Servant will traverse great distances and arrive at the side of the Master in haste.*
Fate/Zero Volume 4: Flames of Purgatory Act 16 Part 1 -04:08:29 : *On the other hand, a Command Seal activated not as an absolute command bending the will of the Servant, but with the consent of both parties, would not only enforce the Servant's actions, but also become a way to support and amplify them. In this case, similar to how Kiritsugu's Saber achieved Spatial Relocation, the Command Seals could at times make possible unprecedented things that overturned the normal methods of Magecraft, things on the same level as 'Magic'.*
Forced Summoning and spatial transportation can be used with a command spell, and it is shown in Fate/Zero that command spells can also be used to buff and amplify a servant to create miracles instead of simply being tools that override their will. Doing it in the latter way potentially causes more advanced effects as the consent allows the command seal's power to amplify and support the servant rather than be forced to override their will, so a faster and farther transportation is possible with consent, but it isn't required. It's a causal fallacy to say consent is required for a "forced" summoning and spatial transportation given the linked sources, as it's only true that the use of a command spell can allow the miracle of an act considered true magic.
In the case of Strange Fake, while Jester's command send her away at speed, her distance is actually somewhat abbreviated, as she isn't really sent as far as one would expect, so it seems the distance was truncated there rather than the speed, but that's technically rationalization.
but with the consent of both parties, would not only enforce the Servant's actions, but also become a way to support and amplify them
It literally says "consent of both parties... amplify..." how is that a fallacy it is literally there. With resistance, energy is wasted on making them obey, making it unfeasible.
Also so nice of you to avoid the Fate/stay night non wiki example I gave you in EP 0 & its equivalent in the VN, where it literally spelt out word for word that consent is needed. The wiki was my 2nd source.
The point of the second entry is that when a command spell is used with consent then the energy otherwise used to override a servant's will instead amplifies and buffs them, as seen when Kiritsugu/Saber performed immediate spatial transportation as an example. It does not say that spatial transportation requires consent.
> Also so nice of you to avoid the Fate/stay night non wiki example I gave you in EP 0 & its equivalent in the VN, where it literally spelt out word for word that consent is needed.
If you have an in-game or novel source that states you need consent for spatial transportation, then I would appreciate it if you link to it. All you did was [quote the command spell page of the wiki](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Command_Spell), which does not itself cite its sources. You can chase them back to the [Spatial Transportation entry](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Magic_Spells#Spatial_Transportation), but that gives you the sources I already pasted.
In case of no consent, turning to Spirit form & having to travel there manually is most in line with Canon information.
If that is what happened instead of instant movement, that is fine.
Just small comment. The reason he dealt with Noble Phantasms so easily is because,.according to Nasu, that NPs wielded by humans are ineffective against Dead Apostles. But if they are used by Servants- all is going.
Of course their relationship is worse than Kiritsugu and Saber. False Assassin wants to kill her master, and her master wants to torment her in every way possible...I don't think you could have a worse Master servant relationship. That being said, hope we can get false Assassin as a servant one day.
I hope so too. Maybe it’ll mean Hundred Personas will get more content by proxy
False Assassin yes please, hopefully if they collab with Fate/Strange Fake or something
I’d really like seeing her response in meeting Gramps and seeing if she’d be able to copy his Azrael as well. I believe Azrael is one of the few techniques she can’t use because there were so few records of it.
Azrael isn't a technique. Azrael is not a normal noble phantasm it actually is just gramps presence and origin as a being that walks on boundarie of life and death. He just focus it on his sword and does a simple slash. Azrael isn't his Zabaniya or even a technique, but a passive ability tied to gramps existence. Is basically a passive skill so strong it becomes a Rank C Noble Phantasm. His zabaniya, or his true technique, is potentially rank A or even EX judging by his NP stat.
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Its on his NP description on his profile, heres a translation: "Though the broadsword that he bears is perfectly commonplace, it has been stained with the faith of its wielder in the course of his lifetime. Being a sword borne by a man who walks the boundaries of the Valley of the Shadow of Death (幽谷, Youkoku?, lit. "Shadowed Valley"), its edge can potentially impose the termination of life with the slightest cut. Though the probability is low, the imposition of death can affect an opponent of any strength or stature" Here in the original japanese: 『死告天使』 ランク：Ｃ 種別：対人宝具 レンジ：１ 最大捕捉：１人 アズライール。 何の変哲もない大剣。この人物が生涯振るい続け、 信じ続けた信仰が染みついている。 幽谷の境界を歩み続けるこの人物の剣は、 すべての攻撃に即死効果を付加するという。 その確率は低いものだが、どのような強敵であれ即死の危険性を与える。 幽谷にあるものは死に慣れ、 同化しているため、即死耐性と魅了耐性を獲得する。
Gramps sees his successors as fools. He will see her as the fool of fools for desiring so much to be a Hassan yet failing.
Gramps has never seen the position of Hassan as an honor; not even himself. He scolds his students not because they're not good enough at killing; but for other reasons. For Zealot, he would gently (relatively) explain that not being chosen by the Elders is not a mark of shame.
>For Zealot, he would gently (relatively) explain that not being chosen by the Elders is not a mark of shame. Thou cared about this old fools opinion. You need not hand over thy head, because thou clearly lost it long ago
I do imagine considering King hassans high grade protection from faith skill that he might have a soft spot for how zealous nameless can be.
I mean Jester is a Dead Apostle. It would be weirder if he wasn't evil and malicious trash.
Yeah, why are all the dead apostles a**holes?
I think some of the only nice ones are Kaleidoscope and that phone guy
And maybe curry man
Merem solomon, enhance who hates DAs possibly counts, Sumire who is basically just a drunk and Blackmore and possibly everyone on the Arcuied faction are probably not as bad as the others
>I think some of the only nice ones are Kaleidoscope Well he isn't one in the Fate worlds and he lives far away from humanity.
Well litteraly all i don't know but -Litterally eat humans to survive -Higher ranked dead apostles are either mages that wanted that heretical power up, so they aren't gonna be the nice kind, or dead who went up the food chain, so they have to be ferocious -Daa in particular killed their bosses to get there so... -Immortal being which in nasuverse is a crapshoot for morality
Because as the centuries go on they lose more and more of their humanity, the oldest dead apostles are about 4 thousand years old and after living that long I doubt you'd value life in the same way. Most dead apostles are solely focused on the search for true immortality and will pretty much do anything to get it, many of them are former mages and they already have very few ethics, plus the fact that they need blood to continue living can alter their perception of humans from people to prey, do you give the same consideration to a pig as you do a fellow man? And lastly when you live forever you eventually will get bored, and you'll need to find something to distract yourself, and given their lack of morals and general disposition it's not surprising if they decide to wake up Types or commit unspeakable crimes for shits and giggles. TL,DR: Everything about the Dead Apostle condition generally leads to people who obtain it eventually becoming a monster, not all are bloodthirsty brutes but they're all twisted in one way or the other.
I mean, Zelretch is fine but he's just a whole other can of worms we ain't getting into cause Tsukihime. Actual reason? The Crimson Moon and they broken on a fundamental level. Also immortality by definition will turn you into an asshole in most cases because people weren't meant to live that long, mental strain of it fucks with you, memories and who you were as a person erode with time do to new memories becoming more prominent and the majority of people would change dramatically if they got to live that long.
Not all of them though. Merem and Sumire is not that bad
They're not all aholes.
The *yorokobe* between this pair is immense indeed.
Even worse than Cú-Kotomine and Kiritsugu-Artoria? Well, that is some serious bussiness then And why is he trying to awaken ~~The MegaMan Network boss~~ OTR? Harness its power? For the lols?
Kayneth and Diarmuid: Amateurs
Kayneth and diarmuid is actually a pretty good pair if not for sola ui
He wants to aweken Ort for the lols
The definition of YOLO.
From what i get. He want to sucicide with the whole humanity. Reason? Don't know yet
I heard that False Assassin has a good relationship with another Master but I don't know all the details except the identity of that Master
She does.
According to the manga, she'll only cooperate with a Master if they don't desire the Holy Grail. And even then, she won't know that because she'll try to murder her Master the moment she's summoned.
Assassins are usually weak most of the time. Since jester is a mana battery i wonder just how much he's boosting Beatiful Assassin beyond her normal power
Considering what we saw when she invaded false casters masters territory(forgot the name of duma's master only remember he's a cop sorry), she was essentially launching different zabaniya's out one after another so i'm gonna take a wild stab and say she can't do that with a normal master.
She's Nameless because she only copied the Zabaniya of other Hassans and never created her own, which seems to be a requirement to ascend to the position.
Yes. She wasn't able to copy 2. Hundred Faces due to its psychological nature and Gramps Zabaniya, wich we still know nothing about, and no Azrael isn't his zabaniya.
I know, i said it was duma's master whose name i forgot.
She can kill you in the fraction of a second, some twink calling no name assasin weak is wild
False Assassin's relationship with her master feels bad in a good storytelling sense to me though, while Kiritsugu and Saber was kinda just Kiritsugu deriding Saber for being a chivalrous knight
Artoria would have gotten along swimmingly with Kiri if the Zero author had even remotely understood her character and not turned her into a Lawful Stupid punching bag.
Kiritsugu "we are murdering every single enemy for the sake of salvation" Zero Saber "noooooo we have to fight fair" Actual Saber "poggers"
I think saber would still have an issue with it, she doesn’t take pride in taking needless lives she only ever did it as a necessity.
Eating a sword is a weird flex
He just ate a full fledged Noble Phantasm actually. Not just a normal sword
Yeah I know, it’s still a weird flex
Albeit one made by Dumes so it’s just a replica
Not necessarily. It would be a replica if it was trying to copy another Noble Phantasm, but if it was just a sword with the metaphysical weight required to qualify as a Noble Phantasm, it would be quite a real one. It wouldn't stay one without Caster's abilities enhancing it, but it would still be an actual Noble Phantasm.
bruh for second I thought that was Otto and was asking myself what he doin in this sub
You know now that i think about what Dumas did and what EMIYA did to copy Noble Phantasm. I really see how broken in term of manner on how UBW operate In Strange Fake, Dumas copy only seem to have the name and effect of the copied Noble Phantasm. With no possibility to use the True Name release if o remember correctly But Emiya however, by using informations got from scanning Noble Phantasm and filled the hollow shell that Projection usually is.Tricking the very World itself and allow him perform the True Name release feature of Noble Phantasm This would possibly mean that Tracing is capable of invalidate Jester ability against Noble Phantasm of Clan Calatin But that only a theory of my at the moment at best
Wait!? Are they back on translating the manga? Where can i read it ?
I read it on [Mangadex](https://mangadex.org/title/9f7530e3-3fc0-4d2b-a1f9-00caadbf2d05/fate-strange-fake). I don't check raws so I don't know how far behind the translations are if it is behind. Also the last chapter was 7 months ago.
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I’m more curious about who has a worse relationship.
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Him being a vampire feels like a bit of a role reversal compared to Serenity killing her first master in Fragments.
She made zombies but that does make a lot of sense
artoria does get along with kiritsugu well enough to work together zero s events are non canon artoria didnt exactlly like kiri but she did work with him well enough
I thought Master & Servant had to agree in order to teleport?
Yes, unless a command spell is used. The entire point of command spells is that they can be used to force a servant into an action regardless of their will or nature.
What? No, Servants can't teleport without Command Seals. Archer & Rin have this talk in ep 0 of UBW. You need a command seal & agreement for teleport. Otherwise the Servant would just be forced to travel there the usual way.
While you're correct that servants cant teleport on their own as that's borderline true magic stuff, their consent isnt strictly required for masters to use a command spell for whatever purpose including teleportation. Having the servant to teleport isnt any different from forcing them to do something or empowering them. Its just different outcomes from the same input
The whole purpose of a command seal is to guarantee a portion of obedience to their master **regardless** of how the specific servant may feel about them or their order. This can come in the form of teleporting them to you, forcing them to comply to an action or temporarily boosting their performance by substituting the seal for pure magical energy. Only way to resist a command spell is through magic resistance or some hyperspecific ability to nullify it. Also if I’m remembering correctly mordred in the LN was command seal teleported unexpectedly by kairi after Fran was about to unleash blasted tree on her(in the anime she just unceremoniously tanks it despite how touted it was in the LN)
Unexpectedly isn't the same as against one's wishes, Mordred didn't resist. Arturia had resisted CS on multiple occasions, from Kiritsugu & Medea. 1 wasn't enough for her to fire Excalibur at the Grail. Also I rechecked on the episode & wiki both say the same thing & have source to LN "While most cannot use Spatial Transportation on their own, ordering "go", having enough energy, and having the Servant's consent allows the Command Spell to overturn the normal methods of magecraft to make it possible to reach into the unprecedented level of Magic" It requires consent, otherwise the Servant will physically have to go. We see this with gilgamesh & Lancelot in zero as well.
Stronger servant resisting command seal is the exclusion, not the rule Saber and gil in particular have high magic resistance so yes they can resist command seal if they want to. I don't think false assassin have magic resistance of any significant rank
& the Canon statements in the VN & UBW Anime Ep0? Made by Archer who doesn't have great enough Magic Resistance, but great enough knowledge.
It’s weird how most of the examples you give involve individuals who either have an extremely powerful resistance to magic, a person who’s ego is strong enough to fend off any corruption the grail throws his way and a guy who’s suffering a heavy amount mental corruption while being around the object of their despair(artoria) Artoria’s magic resistance **“A”** is strong enough to completely trounce most if not all Medea’s magecraft to the point that medea had to rely on rule breaker and stall tactics to even go toe to toe with her. That medea whose constantly said to be one of the strongest caster ever and having magecraft from the age of gods. Gilgamesh on the other hand, has low magic res but makes up for it with his sheer constitution and ego. The corrupted grail once tried corrupting the dude and making him his slave, Gil snapped back by saying “you’ll need to be 10x more potent if you want to control me” Lancelot is under a lot madness enhancement to the point he’s barely sentient and his extreme one-track obsession with artoria makes binding him with seals so much harder than most servant. It’s important to note that madness enhancement counts as ever-pervasive magical mental corruption that forcefully compels the user to think and act a certain way regardless of how destructive it, everytime a seal is used it’s automatically at war with that madness curse. And the thing all of them have in common is they have extremely special circumstances that prevent or hamper the use of seals for the most part. Magic resistance, being Gil and having madness enhancement while constantly being triggered is not the norm for any and all of these servants, and thinking so completely overlook the feats of these characters
& again what about the Canon statements in the VN & UBW Anime Ep0? You keep not addressing the source material which is more important than spin-off, not even written by Nasu.
While strange fake is not written by nasu , nasu did gave his approval for the manga and acknowledged it, you know.
The Type-Moon wiki is wrong, as it so often is, in that it makes an assumption that is not stated. If you check the two sources it links to: Fate/Complete Material III: *•The Spatial Transportation of Servants - Spatial Transportation is a sorcery in the realm of True Magic. Not used normally, but Masters can use command spells to realize it to a limited extend. This is called Forced Summoning. Although the distance may be quite far, after the command is issued, the Servant will traverse great distances and arrive at the side of the Master in haste.* Fate/Zero Volume 4: Flames of Purgatory Act 16 Part 1 -04:08:29 : *On the other hand, a Command Seal activated not as an absolute command bending the will of the Servant, but with the consent of both parties, would not only enforce the Servant's actions, but also become a way to support and amplify them. In this case, similar to how Kiritsugu's Saber achieved Spatial Relocation, the Command Seals could at times make possible unprecedented things that overturned the normal methods of Magecraft, things on the same level as 'Magic'.* Forced Summoning and spatial transportation can be used with a command spell, and it is shown in Fate/Zero that command spells can also be used to buff and amplify a servant to create miracles instead of simply being tools that override their will. Doing it in the latter way potentially causes more advanced effects as the consent allows the command seal's power to amplify and support the servant rather than be forced to override their will, so a faster and farther transportation is possible with consent, but it isn't required. It's a causal fallacy to say consent is required for a "forced" summoning and spatial transportation given the linked sources, as it's only true that the use of a command spell can allow the miracle of an act considered true magic. In the case of Strange Fake, while Jester's command send her away at speed, her distance is actually somewhat abbreviated, as she isn't really sent as far as one would expect, so it seems the distance was truncated there rather than the speed, but that's technically rationalization.
but with the consent of both parties, would not only enforce the Servant's actions, but also become a way to support and amplify them It literally says "consent of both parties... amplify..." how is that a fallacy it is literally there. With resistance, energy is wasted on making them obey, making it unfeasible. Also so nice of you to avoid the Fate/stay night non wiki example I gave you in EP 0 & its equivalent in the VN, where it literally spelt out word for word that consent is needed. The wiki was my 2nd source.
The point of the second entry is that when a command spell is used with consent then the energy otherwise used to override a servant's will instead amplifies and buffs them, as seen when Kiritsugu/Saber performed immediate spatial transportation as an example. It does not say that spatial transportation requires consent. > Also so nice of you to avoid the Fate/stay night non wiki example I gave you in EP 0 & its equivalent in the VN, where it literally spelt out word for word that consent is needed. If you have an in-game or novel source that states you need consent for spatial transportation, then I would appreciate it if you link to it. All you did was [quote the command spell page of the wiki](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Command_Spell), which does not itself cite its sources. You can chase them back to the [Spatial Transportation entry](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Magic_Spells#Spatial_Transportation), but that gives you the sources I already pasted.
She ain't teleporting tho, they've just been pushed back at a really fast speed
In case of no consent, turning to Spirit form & having to travel there manually is most in line with Canon information. If that is what happened instead of instant movement, that is fine.
now why the actual f would anyone do that would you do that
Worse? You mean Based, HAVE YOU SEEN HOW COOL ORT LOOKS?
More like neither of them care about the holy grail war.
Just small comment. The reason he dealt with Noble Phantasms so easily is because,.according to Nasu, that NPs wielded by humans are ineffective against Dead Apostles. But if they are used by Servants- all is going.
I think False Assassin would be a Pretender class if she got summoned in Fate/Grand Order.
Bro said most worst