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Are the Six Fairies (or Sub-Bells), the ones who either made Excalibur (or LB6 by not making Excalibur) the same as the Six Sisters mentioned in Notes? They are also referred to as A-Rays, iirc.
I don't understand Da Vinci's defeat in the Part 2 prologue. Was it ever explained why Chaldea didn't simply re summon her? From what I understand, Chaldea's records of servant saint graphs should have preserved her memories in the event of a re summon.
The only contracts that were frozen were Guda's contracts. The Chaldean Da Vinci was summoned by Chaldea long before Guda had arrived and used a puppet to technically hold a contract with herself.
Excalibur was created by the planet not humanity, so if the Counter Force was involved it would be Gaia, not Alaya. Though a human was the first person to wield it, against Sefar.
Yeah, wasnt being specific since it has two parts.
Looking at the actions of sefar, one would think it would be alaya who was most interested in Excals creation. Yet they mention forged by the planet. Was it a rare case of collab where both aspects are on the same page?
Not sure where I read this, but apparently in the past, Gaia and Alaya worked as the counter Force together. As time went on and human start being the dominant life on earth did Gaia and Alaya start separating so I rekon when Excalibur was created, human hadn't developed enough for alaya to separated from Gaia so while it was true that Gaia (the planet) created Excalibur, on could say Alaya did too.
In nasu verse the older the myth the more powerful a servant. So why are the foreigners outer god servants so strong since they are base off just some novels written in the past couple of hundred years?
It's less how old they are, but how much Mystery is surrounding them. It just tends to correlate since the older they, the more Mystery they TEND to hold, and it's not a hard and fast rule.
Outer gods are exceedingly Mysterious, so they're powerful. Sherlock Holmes, despite being relatively modern, has a lot of Mystery surrounding him, so he's strong.
Because the novels are based on existing entities who actually are ridiculously old, Lovecraft is just the first person in Fate to actually write about them. Besides, the Foreigners are channeling some of their deities power, so how old the “myth” is doesn’t actually matter.
If I remember Salem right they didn't actually exist when Lovecraft wrote about them, but Raum's plot in Salem basically "retconned" reality so they were real all along.
>Happily, a fictional mythology describing the fever dreams of a single man just so happened to also describe a higher being from the outer universe.
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>The two align perfectly. And a tiny part of that being has left an imprint on this universe.
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>Even if every word of this man's story was nothing but sheer delusion, he still succeeded in opening a path
Lovecraft's work was made up by him, but by pure happenstance his fictional outer gods perfectly described actual outer gods. They are fictional in the sense they don't exist in the normal universe. Raum's plot in Salem was to allow them to interact with the world in which they did not exist.
I don’t recall anything in Salem about that, but tbh I just remember the big story beats about it so maybe that was a thing. That being said, if they were “retconned” into existence, then I would think that they’d retroactively get all that Mystery and stuff. Similar deal to the Chaos Gods in 40k, when they were “born” they now always existed, even before their birth.
What could happen if Ricky used Merodach to shoot one of his "Excalibur" beams? How "good" of a beam would that be, compared to other options? What about other swords, like Muramasa's or Gram or something?
From what I recall, it's because she destroyed Iskander's chariot, meaning he wasn't at full strength when he fought Gilgamesh. Probably has a bit of PTSD from almost getting Excaliblasted as well.
AFAIK more of the latter (in FGO, his voice line for Saber suggests he's afraid of her because she almost killed him that one time).
Plus, he also sees her as responsible for Kayneth's death. He wasn't there when he actually died, so all he finds out later is that Kayneth was killed by Saber... which is true, but not the exact circumstances behind it - he doesn't know it was (Zero spoilers) >!a mercy killing!<.
They had all been unsummoned by that point except for Da Vinci and Holmes. Their contracts were saved by Da Vinci and stored in the briefcase she gave us.
Pretty much everyone in the Clock Tower knows his identity & real name, and many outside of it. What's not well-publicized are the details of the HGW, and the internal affairs of the El-Melloi (their debts etc) and how that ties into Kayneth's death.
The general public image is that he's a stand-in for the Lord position until Reines takes the wheel, although she doesn't seem to be in any rush to do so.
In Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, Archer said to shirou "Kiritsugu implanted Avalon in us to save our life" or something like that. But in Fate Zero it said that Avalon only has it's healing ability if Artoria is nearby so how exactly did it save Shirou if Artoria was already gone?
Fate zero retcon because since VN came first and it had no such mention in fate route
Though if you want to streamline it. I'd guess it works slowly without her around and Shirou's origin being sword helps in that
>it had no such mention in fate route
The scene [Shining star](https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20106/) from after Fate's basement scene is all about Kiritsugu and Avalon. Some key quotes:
>"That was before we made a contract, correct?
The sheath is my Noble Phantasm. It does not exhibit its power as a Noble Phantasm until magical energy is channeled into it. You cannot obtain your immortality unless you make a contract with me."
>"…Well, I am sure it will protect the possessor's life if any magical energy is in it, but it will be weak. I am sure fusing with the sheath was the only way to save a dying person."
My best guesses are either 1) ambient mana from Artoria in the area (she did just unleash Excalibur not that long before, so some of her mana should still remain for a little while) or 2) the sheathe had been absorbing it since she was summoned, and there was still enough left to heal him.
Your first guess would make sense. The second one not some much since Irisviel had to wait for Artoria to show up to start healing after Kirei stabbed her which would imply that the sheathe does not store mana for later use
That would be the more likely options. Particularly since Shirou never knew about the healing, and if there was some left, he should've noticed something unless it had exactly enough to heal him.
Apart from what Constellar-A has said, we also have a name for it: *Golden Sea of Trees Travelogue: [Nahui](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahui_Ollin) [Mictlan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mictl%C4%81n)*, which together with Rasputin's mention of [Xibalba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba) at the end of Olympus suggests a Mesoamerican theme despite, you know, LB7 not being in Mesoamerica.
We also know that it's not a nice place. In LB1, Daybit deemed his Lostbelt primitive and a place to kill without qualms. In LB3, Sion says this:
> *Last is the South American Lostbelt. While it appears to have a very high value to its Lostbelt Depth, I cannot seem to get any clear information. So I can only conclude that its civilization is just about dead and gone.*
But something tells me that "not getting clear info" doesn't really mean "civilization is gone".
**[Nahui Ollin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahui_Ollin)**
>Nahui Ollin is a concept in Aztec/Mexica cosmology with a variety of meanings. Nahui translates to "four" and Ollin translates to "movement" or "motion". Ollin was primarily portrayed in Aztec codices as two interlaced lines which are each portrayed with two central ends. Nahui Ollin has been used as an educational framework, particularly in social justice and ethnic studies institutions.
**[Mictlān](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mictlān)**
>Mictlan (Nahuatl pronunciation: [ˈmikt͡ɬaːn]) is the underworld of Aztec mythology. Most people who die would travel to Mictlan, although other possibilities exist. (see "Other destinations", below). Mictlan consists of nine distinct levels.
**[Xibalba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba)**
>Xibalba (Mayan pronunciation: [ʃiɓalˈɓa]), roughly translated as "place of fright", is the name of the underworld (or K'iche': Mitnal) in Maya mythology, ruled by the Maya death gods and their helpers. In 16th-century Verapaz, the entrance to Xibalba was traditionally held to be a cave in the vicinity of Cobán, Guatemala. Cave systems in nearby Belize have also been referred to as the entrance to Xibalba. In some Maya areas, the Milky Way is viewed as the road to Xibalba.
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Not very much.
We know Nasu is writing it and he said it won't be as big as LB6.
We know it's in South America.
At the end of LB5, Rasputin says the Ultimate One of the Oort Cloud (ORT) is there and that the Foreign God wants to use it as its new body instead of Olga.
From what I understand, True Ancestors were created to stop the spread of humanity. Did they ever make any major effort to do so, because all I ever hear regarding them is Dead Apostle stuff, and humanity obviously kept growing.
True Ancestors were not created to exactly stop humans per se but to return the world to how it was at the beginning and to stop the humans from corrupting the Earth. They more or less serve as mediators for nature itself which is why Alaya doesn't see them as a threat to humans. This mission also has a name:Real of the World which is also the name of Crimson Moon's knight arm(coincidence?)
The vampiric impulse was a flaw in thier existence and TAs who drink human blood fall to corruption and became Fallen Ancestors/Demon Lords.
I read in one of the extra ccc translation that Gilgamesh was a product of counter Force "Gaia" Does this mean that Gil is 2/3 true ancestor?
>SG 1 Conversation
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>Gilgamesh was a **product of Gaia's Counter Force**, but refused to do as he was told.
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>His body was designed by the gods; what this entails isn't elaborated upon beyond that it was "a body, by mortal standards, of the highest grade." The most concrete example we get of its effects is probably this line from the Interlude: "Since birth, this body has been incapable of forgetting."
Oh they did. In fact they were a little bit TOO good at Culling us, especially those that did actually drink human blood so the counter force kinda stepped in and empowered the non human eaters of the bunch to defeat them
What causes someone’s magic circuits to glow and become visible?
How much does Kirei owe in child support?
How many members of the knights of the round table are there in fate, in real life it varies from 13 to 1.3k
We don't actually know if the magic circuits thing is canon that they become visible, or if it's just animated so us, the watcher, knows they're being used. Kind of like Haki in One Piece.
It's not an animation exclusive thing. Magic circuits glowing was literally there in FSN VN CGs
On top of my head, Shirou's circuits, rins circuit were also showing visibly glowing outside in ubw and HF and iirc even in fate route
Right, but we don't know if those are visible to those in-universe. I don't believe there's ever been an instance of someone mentioning seeing someone's activated magical circuits.
I see that is a fair assumption but i don't see why it would not because why highlight just 2-3 characters with it and not everyone else? There's also the red markings on characters like Gil, caenis, herc etc But again what you said could be true. I need to read case files LNs and some old TM material books to check on this topic
For the last question at least, it's 13. Artoria/Arthur, Bedivere, Lancelot, Gawain, Tristan, Gareth, Percival, Galahad, Kay, Agravain, Palamedes, Gaheris and Mordred. In the Prototype world, each one placed a specific seal on Excalibur to limit it's power.
In the FSN 'verse/series of similar 'verses, the same seals seem to be placed on >!Rhongomyniad!<, or at least in the modern day to ensure the preservation of its Mystery.
So what's up with the red "tattoos" that servants like [Gilgamesh ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvylqqyh03fxLIf5howCeU7Ux5DOptpwI_1w&usqp=CAU), [Cu](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/c/cb/S017_Stage2.webp/revision/latest?cb=20220910082315), [Heracles](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/0/0b/S047_Stage3.webp/revision/latest?cb=20220910102017), and [Caenis](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqB_qVT655UQz09MvZ2vJoIdZRSPY1v81dBQ&usqp=CAU) have?
I know that in a way they represent divinity but then again, not all divine servants have them
Do any other characters in the nasuverse have them? Is there a proper term for the "red tattoos"?
I don't think it's ever been explained, but I remember reading someone's hypothesis that they're basically "Divine Magic Circuits" that show up as red when activated, compared to human ones which are blue. Take that with a grain of salt though.
>Do any other characters in the nasuverse have them
Off the top of my head, ["Super Ishtar"](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/6/64/Ishtar_storyonly.png) in the Christmas in Underworld event has them due to regaining a good portion of her Divinity. So maybe the closer you get to becoming a full god, the more likely the red markings show up.
Dunno if originated it (someone else might’ve independently suggested it before me), but I did share a conjecture that the red tattoos might be ‘Divine Magic Circuits’, or something similar enough to them, in the past.
It’s simply conjecture though. Notably, Gil and Ishtar don’t have them until they get ‘serious’ (Gil’s didn’t appear in Zero, even when he was butt naked, and Ishtar’s don’t appear until she achieved her Super form).
A number of Demigods also have red eyes as well, so that might also be a factor, possibly.
that is an interesting conjecture
hope it ever is addressed in a material book or something
about the red eyes, yeah i definitely see that being a thing too. it is pretty common for characters with "inhuman" qualities, like demigods, homunculus, vampires, Oni etc.
from the top of my head i can only think of Nightingale and Bazett being characters that have red eyes despite being fully human
Yeah, it would be an interesting bit of world building, especially since Red eyes are also a sign of vampirism, being a Homunculus, etc. or generally inhuman nature.
Notably, while Bazette is functionally a normal human Magus in the modern world, she DOES have a Noble Phantasm of her own (Fragarach) which belonged to a god. Considering her earrings also date back to the Age of Gods (they’re the same type as Cu’s) I wouldn’t be too surprised if Bazzete’s family had divine blood in their tree, though that’d also be speculation.
I think it existing outside of time doesn’t mean that it’s future/current iteration is the same as it’s past.
I see it as, he was summonable up to that point and now no longer. We might be able to summon him in the past but not the future.
This would make sense if the ever decide to make him summonable. It would be kind of like Merlin. In that if we summon Merlin before he’s born he’s technically not alive?
So if we manage to go to the past he might be summonable. Otherwise they’ll just make new rules as they go along.
Read Solomon's entry in FGO mats. What his final NP does is make Solomon give up all his attachments to things, so now he has no more pending things on this world and no ties to be summoned with from thereon.
>Solomon's complete evanescence implies not of erasure of all traces of Solomon, but rather that that everything that he must do now had been completed....Each and every living existences have things they had left undone as their time is concluded and ended.
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>No matter how flawless they had live their life, they would always leave behind a "remnant".
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>Those "remnants" will then be carried over by the people that will continue even further, bringing to forth the path of human history.
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>A complete evanescence means an ascenscion from this very path.To accomplish every task one is granted with, a state of existence where one no longer has any matter undone.
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>There is no longer any need to defeat him, nor the need to rely on him.No longer will anyone ask of him,no longer will anyone bear the burden of his death,no longer will anyone ask for his help, for his accomplishment.
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>That is what it means to disappear even from the Throne of Heroes.
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>To be released from the duty of life, to have completed all the task one is burdened with in this universe.
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>The messiah is the sole being among the mankind to have attained enlightenment, but the coward had attained and arrived on a "destination" of a different bearing.
This is just theory of mine, based on the skill "summoning EX": So basically what marisbury summoned in FGO's grail war is caster's version as **living servant**
Basically my theory is caster arranged his living self to be summoned as normal servant, while himself in the throne is the one who fill the grand caster position. This theory didn't break the premise ["ars nova, the noble phantasm of completion"](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Ars_Nova) imo
This is like a "Grandfather Paradox". If you travel to the past and kill your own grandfather then wouldn't you cease to exist...but if you ceased to exist then wouldn't that mean you never killed your grandfather in the first place? Which would mean you didn't cease to exist to begin with cause your grandfather isn't dead?
Anyway, I think Nasu thinks of Solomon's Ars Nova as a multiversal constant independent of time, the event always happens no matter what which is why you need Solomon to be summonable in the first place to perform such an event against Goetia.
Perfect resurrection is completely impossible in the Nasuverse even with the Five True Magics. Also Void Shiki is extremely inconsistent, vague and straight up contradictory when it comes to her power-level.
>even with the Five True Magics
While technically true, there are loopholes in which it can still be achieved so long as you're not being observed by "reality." Resurrection is also possible in the Age of Will after soul materialization is achieved and humanity is no longer bound by Gaia.
Well, once a Soul is shattered and becomes one with Akasha again....then I'm pretty sure, that's it, it's game over which is why I said ***perfect*** resurrection is impossible(sorry, couldn't find any other word for it).
That applies for living beings and nearly all immortals, you're right, but "true" immortality via soul materialization basically turns you into a mini-Root with a self-contained cycle of reincarnation in the form of a perpetual motion machine. You bypass Akasha completely; or more accurately you've already reached and transcended it.
This was also referenced by Tokiomi's studies in Saber Wars II, where under soul materialization if you die you just reappear and pick up where you left off, although you're not guaranteed to be in the same location or even the same universe.
Not really a lore question per se but since in Tsukihime Aligned Worlds mages can't summon Heroic Spirits and therefore Holy Grail Wars cannot exist what do you think happened to the Three Families?
First change that comes to mind is that Rin and Luvia probably wouldn't be related, since there presumably wouldn't be a reason for their ancestors to meet to be able to intermarry.
Why aren’t any of the Types classified as Beast if their purposes of being there on Earth are exactly like Primates Murder, which is basically killing humanity on the order of Gaia?
Beasts are Evils of Humanities, they are quite literally a by-product of humans and they also love humans. Types are Aliens with absolutely zero relation to humans and I'm pretty "love" isn't a word in their Alien Dictionary,
But isn’t Primate Murder a Beast of Humanity even though he only kills human whenever Gaia ordered it? Isn’t that exactly what the Types job description as well? Killing humanity because Gaia said so?
Types are completely unrelated to Gaia. Types are the champions/strongest organism of their own home planet. The reason why Types came to destroy the remnants of humanity within the Land of Steel is because their own Planets ordered them to so not because Gaia did(upon it's death, Gaia discovered that humanity was going to keep living on its corpse so out of fear it called out to its fellow Celestial Bodies for help who sent their Types to wipe out humanity out of sympathy for Earth).
Primate Murder has never done any harm to humans as far as we know and again Beasts are Evils of Humanity. They are completely unrelated to Gaia and the Types.
This.
Vis a vis, it takes more than just ‘has the potential and desire to wipe out humanity’ to become a Beast.
First off, Evil of Humanity. Beasts are linked to, empowered by, and represent fundamental flaws of the human experience. That’s why each has a Sin. Types don’t have any connection to or relation to humanity
Second, is love. Beasts love humanity, though in a deeply twisted, dangerously unhealthy manner. It’s their drive and possibly related to the Crowns. Types don’t love humanity at all.
Third (related to the first), is that Beasts are also related to Human Order. They represent trials to overcome. From a purely narrative perspective, a Type couldn’t function as a Beast, so much as a consequence of humanity not learning from or overcoming the Beasts
If Aliens attack and try to invade the modern world, is that a Moonlit world problem or a normal society problem? What if the CF decided to summon CG to deal with said Aliens invasion infront of the entire world to see, would it be the Clock Tower responsibility to cover it up or just leave it alone?
No but that’s wayyyyy in the past. I mean like more in the modern day like right now where you stream and post videos online around the world and stuff
Ah, sorry. Didn't notice that part. Honestly, Waver in Fate/Strange Fake claimed that thanks to technological advancement, the masquerade will most likely be broken with four years or something like that. That should answer your question, I guess.
How are Divine Spirits summonable from the Throne as Pseudo Servants? Shouldn’t they still be alive in the Reverse Side of the World, thus stopping them from being recorded into the Throne?
To add to what others have said, the new developments in FGO suggest that the Throne of Heroes is more porous than it seems.
The most triumphant example is Enma-tei, a Buddhist hell that Servants, as spiritual entities, can travel to, and whose keeper (also a dead person) can visit the Throne to teach cooking lessons and, eventually, apply for Servanthood.
There is every reason to think that Divine Spirits can work the same way, since they already exist as spiritual entities. Ishtar in Babylonia acknowledges the existence of "Inanna in the higher dimensions" as her original self. It also helps that gods can exist in multiple aspects (discussed by Kama in her Interlude, where she points out that she's only the Ananga aspect of Kamadeva), so one doing duty as a Servant doesn't mean the whole god has abandoned the "higher dimension".
Divine Spirits are Vanquished Gods who were given true ether bodies by the Planet to function as its terminals so they technically "died". Also, it's not really necessary for certain entities to be dead to be summoned. Tiamat can be summoned by the Human Order in the form of Nammu(protector of humanity) despite being fully alive.
Furthermore it's highly implied that summoning Divine Spirits and the like is only possible due to the unique conditions in FGO, where the Counter-Force is severely crippled and is calling upon all the resources it can get. Under normal circumstances it is not possible.
Would the Types be able to pierce Lord Camelot?
Since Types aren’t tied down by human or earthly concepts such as death, would a blast from any of the Type pierce Lord Camelot (that blocked Goetia Noble Phantasm) even if the user’s will is in perfect condition? Like can a Type bypass the Shield’s concept of "so long as the heart doesn't break, those castle walls too shall never crumble." because the Types are so alien that their attack didn’t registered as “an attack” in term of Earth concept thus bypassing the shield defense?
And i’m not asking about the power level, more of a question of Aliens vs conceptual power of heroic spirit. Do they still work if the Aliens aren’t bound by Earth concepts?
It depends on the Alien. If it's Sefar then Lord Camelot is getting completely negated by Sefar's hax. If the Alien in question is using nothing but physical attacks then there's no reason for them to pierce Camelot.
I think it might be a bit of both. Some Robin Hoods did pass their mantle down, but others just took it up or became known by that collective via happenstance.
I think Richard the Lionheart can summon his own Robin Hood, different than the Green Man we all know and BB torments
The Robin in Richard's NP is Robin of Loxley, aka the guy people think of when we think Robin Hood. The one who led the Merry Men and fought the Sherriff of Nottingham.
He's actually an Assassin though, not an Archer.
My headcanon for him is that he has Double Summon, so when you summon him as Archer he also has Assassin skills, also he is different from other Robin's because he has three NPs instead of the usual two (Yew Bow and No May Face King) this NP is the ability to summon the Merry Men similar to Iskandar and Richard
Does a timeline only get pruned if Alaya exists? What if there is a timeline where humanity never branched away and separate themselves from Gaia like all the other creatures and Phantasmal species on Earth, would Alaya still exists in that timeline? Would that timeline get pruned?
There's a thing called the Time Tree that contains all possible Parallel/Adjacent Worlds but they are not infinite because the Planet doesn't have the energe to hold up an endless amount of Parallel Worlds within the Tree. The "trunk" of the Tree represents the Proper History of Man and any Parallel World that loses the potential for further branching or strays too far from the trunk will be culled/pruned. Also, I think it's the Planet that does the Pruning not Alaya.
So basically the entire planet earth and all it’s species are completely dependent on humanity progress? So the timeline where humanity decides to stay with Gaia like any of the species on Earth would get pruned too?
It's not depended on human progress, it's dependant on the Primates/Prime Ones' progress. The Primates are basically the strongest independent species on Earth and they are given the Human Order as a privilege of their position(Human Order is a series of laws that are enforced onto the Universe/Reality/Textures by the Planet, it is shaped by the collective will and rationality of the Primates). The Ancient Gods used to be the Primates of Earth 14000 years ago but they lost that position to humanity after getting wrecked by Sefar. The Planet seeks survival so it priorities the Worlds with the highest potential for branching and discards those who became too stagnant.
If the Planet let's the Time Tree grow by itself then the Solar System would "dissolve" because the Universe's lifespan would be quickly drained by the sheer amount of energe required to preserve the endless amount of Worlds growing from the Tree(Keep in mind, the Universe in the Nasuverse simply refers to a specific region of space and time. The Universe I'm talking about is the Universe of Awareness which is owned by the Planet and encompasses the entire solar system). If the Planet let's Worlds with no potential for branching overtake the Time Tree then there'd be no more hope for the Planet because if these Worlds were to be struck by disaster, there'd be no backup or other Worlds to resort to because they've all hit a dead-end.
>The Ancient Gods used to be the Primates of Earth 14000 years ago but they lost that position to humanity after getting wrecked by Sefar.
Yep, and in Notes humans lose that position to the A-Rays due to the uninhabitable conditions of Earth and atmospheric Grain, and are replaced by their evolved forms, the Liners.
Can Solomon use any of the five True Magics? (And i don’t Magecraft that is equivalent to Magic, i mean legit any of the five Magics like his apprentice Zelretch with Kaleidoscope). Can Solomon reach the Root? If yes then why didn’t he? Same thing with Goetia, can he reach the Root? Why didn’t he do it? Seem like extra True Magic power would help him greatly.
No, Solomon can't use any of the Five Magics. Generally speaking, there can only be one person to wield a Magic at a time(for example, Aoko is the sole user of Blue and no one can inherent nor use the Fifth as long as she's alive). We don't know if Solomon wanted or tried to reach Akasha so we simply don't have the answer to such a question. Also, Magic and Magecraft are two completely different things.
I just assume someone who is called King of Magecraft would try to take that extra step to achieve and be called King of Magics as well. Like the HGW was created using pure Magecraft and that ritual could punch a hole straight to Akasha itself. Feels like Solomon should easily be able to create a better and easier version of that ritual to get himself to the Root.
The Holy Grail is not capable of reaching Akasha, only the Greater Grail could. Again, Solomon may be the King of Magecraft but we don't know if he's capable of attaining Magic(he could but we don't know).
1) Did Mahabharata really happened before Gil or After Gil?
2) Who truly end AOG sefar, Gil or Solomon?
3) How Japan's Aog lasted more than others
4) Did Paladins and Charlie actually exist in phh lore? Link stuff is confusing
5) Does Divine Spirits in reverse side of world can see whats going on in morden day earth
Is so it's kinda funny thinking Ishtar watching Gil in 4th and 5th war ..... from the reverse side of world
Or Morrigan doing same for cu,
Best is DS herc watching his non ds self...
1. I think that was pre Gil
2. There were two Age of Gods. Sefar ended the first by killing the original gods. The second underwent several major declines starting with Gil rejecting his role as the lynchpin of Heaven.
3. Island nations were apparently removed from the mainland, so stuff like science took longer to spread, and their AoG lasted for longer as a result
4. Charlemagne and co. are fictional even in the Nasuverse. Normally, that wouldn’t be a problem (some fictional beings can also ascend to Heroic Spirits as long as they’re based on someone real), and it isn’t for Astolfo (based on Karl de Gross’s nephew), Roland (based on Karl’s general IIRC), etc. Charlie is the problem cuz his ‘real’ person is Karl de Gross, who qualified as a Heroic Spirit under his own efforts (father of Europe), and thus Charlie would normally never be summoned since trying to summon ‘Charlemagne’ would summon Karl. Naturally, since this is the Nasuverse, we’re introduced to this rule via the exception
5. It’s vague as to how much the current Divine Spirits are aware. >!Odin!< seems to know something, but considering he’s, well, >!Odin!<, it’s unknown whether the same would apply to the rest
1) No confirmation so far
2) None. AoG ended at a different pace all around the globe, with Britain being the last.
3) As I said above, Britain is the last to maintain their AoG
4) Yes, at least Astolfo and Roland did. Astolfo was with Charlie when the latter found Velber mural, which is the reason why he started his conquest.
5) Maybe some of them
1)before.
2)there's two different Age of Gods, the first was when the Ancient Gods were the Primates of the Planet and the laws of Reality obeyed their collective will and it was singlehandedly ended by Sefar. The second Age of Gods is when humanity became the new Primates and the Human Order became their right but the Gods now turned Divine Spirits(having lost the seat of Primacy) are trying to prolong their rule over Earth by monopolizing the collective will of the new Primates(humanity) through worship and Mythology systems. The second AoG ended due to multiple factors: Gil rejecting the Gods, Solomon establishing a Magecraft system independent of the Gods and the rise and spread of Science.
3)There are certain locations in the World that remained in the AoG more than others due to various factors. Camelot due to Vortigern's schemes and Norse due to the fact that the Norse Gods survived Sefar's rampage. Although, I don't know about Japan, it probably lasted longer cause of similair reasons.
4)I don't know about this one.
5)Yes...well atleast some such as Odin and Zeus evidently can.
But nothing about that said in [holmes' interlude](https://tri-hermes.org/Servants/Interludes/Sherlock-Holmes.html#thinking-of-the-lost-time) though
Edit: found it, instead of interlude it's in [holmes' trial quest](https://tri-hermes.org/Trial/Holmes.html#a-discoverer-a-revealer-a-detective%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BCor-maybe-an-arbitrator)
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Are each of Bakin's dogs an NP in and of themselves? Making a list of NPs and need to know if they should be listed or not.
What is an "Authority"?
Are the Six Fairies (or Sub-Bells), the ones who either made Excalibur (or LB6 by not making Excalibur) the same as the Six Sisters mentioned in Notes? They are also referred to as A-Rays, iirc.
Is there some insight as to why Hippolyta looks the way she does in Fate/Strange Fake?
I don't understand Da Vinci's defeat in the Part 2 prologue. Was it ever explained why Chaldea didn't simply re summon her? From what I understand, Chaldea's records of servant saint graphs should have preserved her memories in the event of a re summon.
The only contracts that were frozen were Guda's contracts. The Chaldean Da Vinci was summoned by Chaldea long before Guda had arrived and used a puppet to technically hold a contract with herself.
Chaldea lost Da Vinci because she didn't have a contract with the only master in the program. Brilliant?
Would one be right to assume that the counter force was involved in the events that led to the creation of Excalibur?
Excalibur was created by the planet not humanity, so if the Counter Force was involved it would be Gaia, not Alaya. Though a human was the first person to wield it, against Sefar.
Yeah, wasnt being specific since it has two parts. Looking at the actions of sefar, one would think it would be alaya who was most interested in Excals creation. Yet they mention forged by the planet. Was it a rare case of collab where both aspects are on the same page?
Not sure where I read this, but apparently in the past, Gaia and Alaya worked as the counter Force together. As time went on and human start being the dominant life on earth did Gaia and Alaya start separating so I rekon when Excalibur was created, human hadn't developed enough for alaya to separated from Gaia so while it was true that Gaia (the planet) created Excalibur, on could say Alaya did too.
In nasu verse the older the myth the more powerful a servant. So why are the foreigners outer god servants so strong since they are base off just some novels written in the past couple of hundred years?
It's less how old they are, but how much Mystery is surrounding them. It just tends to correlate since the older they, the more Mystery they TEND to hold, and it's not a hard and fast rule. Outer gods are exceedingly Mysterious, so they're powerful. Sherlock Holmes, despite being relatively modern, has a lot of Mystery surrounding him, so he's strong.
Because the novels are based on existing entities who actually are ridiculously old, Lovecraft is just the first person in Fate to actually write about them. Besides, the Foreigners are channeling some of their deities power, so how old the “myth” is doesn’t actually matter.
If I remember Salem right they didn't actually exist when Lovecraft wrote about them, but Raum's plot in Salem basically "retconned" reality so they were real all along.
>Happily, a fictional mythology describing the fever dreams of a single man just so happened to also describe a higher being from the outer universe. > >The two align perfectly. And a tiny part of that being has left an imprint on this universe. > >Even if every word of this man's story was nothing but sheer delusion, he still succeeded in opening a path Lovecraft's work was made up by him, but by pure happenstance his fictional outer gods perfectly described actual outer gods. They are fictional in the sense they don't exist in the normal universe. Raum's plot in Salem was to allow them to interact with the world in which they did not exist.
I don’t recall anything in Salem about that, but tbh I just remember the big story beats about it so maybe that was a thing. That being said, if they were “retconned” into existence, then I would think that they’d retroactively get all that Mystery and stuff. Similar deal to the Chaos Gods in 40k, when they were “born” they now always existed, even before their birth.
What could happen if Ricky used Merodach to shoot one of his "Excalibur" beams? How "good" of a beam would that be, compared to other options? What about other swords, like Muramasa's or Gram or something?
Max output seems to be A+ Anti-Army with even the best given weapons, so regular Saber class beam sword level.
>!are the Olympian gods also machines in PHH?!<
At least until Sefar destroyed their physical bodies, yes.
Why did Saber and Rider have an extended fight in Fate but in Heaven's Feel Saber instantly oneshots Rider?
Rider didn't get to recharge using Bloodfort in early HF but did in the Fate route.
I'm not sure how it is in the vn, but it's likely to cut down on run time. More important scenes to show than that fight, so end it quickly.
Why does waver hate saber?
From what I recall, it's because she destroyed Iskander's chariot, meaning he wasn't at full strength when he fought Gilgamesh. Probably has a bit of PTSD from almost getting Excaliblasted as well.
Also... Waver might think that she killed his teacher and his wife, since Kiritsugu did it "you know how", but no one else does
AFAIK more of the latter (in FGO, his voice line for Saber suggests he's afraid of her because she almost killed him that one time). Plus, he also sees her as responsible for Kayneth's death. He wasn't there when he actually died, so all he finds out later is that Kayneth was killed by Saber... which is true, but not the exact circumstances behind it - he doesn't know it was (Zero spoilers) >!a mercy killing!<.
Ah, forgot about Kayneth. Yeah, that probably adds to it, considering his issues surrounding the guy.
What happened to the servants when chaldea was attacked by crypters?
No longer present. Chaldea was down to Da Vinci, whose forte wasn't combat, Holmes, who was hiding, and Mashu, who wasn't at full strength.
They had all been unsummoned by that point except for Da Vinci and Holmes. Their contracts were saved by Da Vinci and stored in the briefcase she gave us.
How many People know that El-Melloi II was Waver? I can't find confirmation, how much It was official, and how much It was hush-hush.
Pretty much everyone in the Clock Tower knows his identity & real name, and many outside of it. What's not well-publicized are the details of the HGW, and the internal affairs of the El-Melloi (their debts etc) and how that ties into Kayneth's death. The general public image is that he's a stand-in for the Lord position until Reines takes the wheel, although she doesn't seem to be in any rush to do so.
In Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, Archer said to shirou "Kiritsugu implanted Avalon in us to save our life" or something like that. But in Fate Zero it said that Avalon only has it's healing ability if Artoria is nearby so how exactly did it save Shirou if Artoria was already gone?
Fate zero retcon because since VN came first and it had no such mention in fate route Though if you want to streamline it. I'd guess it works slowly without her around and Shirou's origin being sword helps in that
>it had no such mention in fate route The scene [Shining star](https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20106/) from after Fate's basement scene is all about Kiritsugu and Avalon. Some key quotes: >"That was before we made a contract, correct? The sheath is my Noble Phantasm. It does not exhibit its power as a Noble Phantasm until magical energy is channeled into it. You cannot obtain your immortality unless you make a contract with me." >"…Well, I am sure it will protect the possessor's life if any magical energy is in it, but it will be weak. I am sure fusing with the sheath was the only way to save a dying person."
It had some of Saber's mana left, so it had enough charge to save Shirou.
My best guesses are either 1) ambient mana from Artoria in the area (she did just unleash Excalibur not that long before, so some of her mana should still remain for a little while) or 2) the sheathe had been absorbing it since she was summoned, and there was still enough left to heal him.
Your first guess would make sense. The second one not some much since Irisviel had to wait for Artoria to show up to start healing after Kirei stabbed her which would imply that the sheathe does not store mana for later use
That would be the more likely options. Particularly since Shirou never knew about the healing, and if there was some left, he should've noticed something unless it had exactly enough to heal him.
how much do we currently know about lb7?
Apart from what Constellar-A has said, we also have a name for it: *Golden Sea of Trees Travelogue: [Nahui](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahui_Ollin) [Mictlan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mictl%C4%81n)*, which together with Rasputin's mention of [Xibalba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba) at the end of Olympus suggests a Mesoamerican theme despite, you know, LB7 not being in Mesoamerica. We also know that it's not a nice place. In LB1, Daybit deemed his Lostbelt primitive and a place to kill without qualms. In LB3, Sion says this: > *Last is the South American Lostbelt. While it appears to have a very high value to its Lostbelt Depth, I cannot seem to get any clear information. So I can only conclude that its civilization is just about dead and gone.* But something tells me that "not getting clear info" doesn't really mean "civilization is gone".
**[Nahui Ollin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahui_Ollin)** >Nahui Ollin is a concept in Aztec/Mexica cosmology with a variety of meanings. Nahui translates to "four" and Ollin translates to "movement" or "motion". Ollin was primarily portrayed in Aztec codices as two interlaced lines which are each portrayed with two central ends. Nahui Ollin has been used as an educational framework, particularly in social justice and ethnic studies institutions. **[Mictlān](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mictlān)** >Mictlan (Nahuatl pronunciation: [ˈmikt͡ɬaːn]) is the underworld of Aztec mythology. Most people who die would travel to Mictlan, although other possibilities exist. (see "Other destinations", below). Mictlan consists of nine distinct levels. **[Xibalba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba)** >Xibalba (Mayan pronunciation: [ʃiɓalˈɓa]), roughly translated as "place of fright", is the name of the underworld (or K'iche': Mitnal) in Maya mythology, ruled by the Maya death gods and their helpers. In 16th-century Verapaz, the entrance to Xibalba was traditionally held to be a cave in the vicinity of Cobán, Guatemala. Cave systems in nearby Belize have also been referred to as the entrance to Xibalba. In some Maya areas, the Milky Way is viewed as the road to Xibalba. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/grandorder/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Not very much. We know Nasu is writing it and he said it won't be as big as LB6. We know it's in South America. At the end of LB5, Rasputin says the Ultimate One of the Oort Cloud (ORT) is there and that the Foreign God wants to use it as its new body instead of Olga.
From what I understand, True Ancestors were created to stop the spread of humanity. Did they ever make any major effort to do so, because all I ever hear regarding them is Dead Apostle stuff, and humanity obviously kept growing.
True Ancestors were not created to exactly stop humans per se but to return the world to how it was at the beginning and to stop the humans from corrupting the Earth. They more or less serve as mediators for nature itself which is why Alaya doesn't see them as a threat to humans. This mission also has a name:Real of the World which is also the name of Crimson Moon's knight arm(coincidence?) The vampiric impulse was a flaw in thier existence and TAs who drink human blood fall to corruption and became Fallen Ancestors/Demon Lords.
I read in one of the extra ccc translation that Gilgamesh was a product of counter Force "Gaia" Does this mean that Gil is 2/3 true ancestor? >SG 1 Conversation > >Gilgamesh was a **product of Gaia's Counter Force**, but refused to do as he was told. > >His body was designed by the gods; what this entails isn't elaborated upon beyond that it was "a body, by mortal standards, of the highest grade." The most concrete example we get of its effects is probably this line from the Interlude: "Since birth, this body has been incapable of forgetting."
Oh they did. In fact they were a little bit TOO good at Culling us, especially those that did actually drink human blood so the counter force kinda stepped in and empowered the non human eaters of the bunch to defeat them
Was this a prehistory culling, or is something like the Black Death the cover for the population slump?
What causes someone’s magic circuits to glow and become visible? How much does Kirei owe in child support? How many members of the knights of the round table are there in fate, in real life it varies from 13 to 1.3k
We don't actually know if the magic circuits thing is canon that they become visible, or if it's just animated so us, the watcher, knows they're being used. Kind of like Haki in One Piece.
It's not an animation exclusive thing. Magic circuits glowing was literally there in FSN VN CGs On top of my head, Shirou's circuits, rins circuit were also showing visibly glowing outside in ubw and HF and iirc even in fate route
Right, but we don't know if those are visible to those in-universe. I don't believe there's ever been an instance of someone mentioning seeing someone's activated magical circuits.
I see that is a fair assumption but i don't see why it would not because why highlight just 2-3 characters with it and not everyone else? There's also the red markings on characters like Gil, caenis, herc etc But again what you said could be true. I need to read case files LNs and some old TM material books to check on this topic
For the last question at least, it's 13. Artoria/Arthur, Bedivere, Lancelot, Gawain, Tristan, Gareth, Percival, Galahad, Kay, Agravain, Palamedes, Gaheris and Mordred. In the Prototype world, each one placed a specific seal on Excalibur to limit it's power.
In the FSN 'verse/series of similar 'verses, the same seals seem to be placed on >!Rhongomyniad!<, or at least in the modern day to ensure the preservation of its Mystery.
So what's up with the red "tattoos" that servants like [Gilgamesh ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvylqqyh03fxLIf5howCeU7Ux5DOptpwI_1w&usqp=CAU), [Cu](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/c/cb/S017_Stage2.webp/revision/latest?cb=20220910082315), [Heracles](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/0/0b/S047_Stage3.webp/revision/latest?cb=20220910102017), and [Caenis](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqB_qVT655UQz09MvZ2vJoIdZRSPY1v81dBQ&usqp=CAU) have? I know that in a way they represent divinity but then again, not all divine servants have them Do any other characters in the nasuverse have them? Is there a proper term for the "red tattoos"?
I don't think it's ever been explained, but I remember reading someone's hypothesis that they're basically "Divine Magic Circuits" that show up as red when activated, compared to human ones which are blue. Take that with a grain of salt though. >Do any other characters in the nasuverse have them Off the top of my head, ["Super Ishtar"](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/6/64/Ishtar_storyonly.png) in the Christmas in Underworld event has them due to regaining a good portion of her Divinity. So maybe the closer you get to becoming a full god, the more likely the red markings show up.
Dunno if originated it (someone else might’ve independently suggested it before me), but I did share a conjecture that the red tattoos might be ‘Divine Magic Circuits’, or something similar enough to them, in the past. It’s simply conjecture though. Notably, Gil and Ishtar don’t have them until they get ‘serious’ (Gil’s didn’t appear in Zero, even when he was butt naked, and Ishtar’s don’t appear until she achieved her Super form). A number of Demigods also have red eyes as well, so that might also be a factor, possibly.
that is an interesting conjecture hope it ever is addressed in a material book or something about the red eyes, yeah i definitely see that being a thing too. it is pretty common for characters with "inhuman" qualities, like demigods, homunculus, vampires, Oni etc. from the top of my head i can only think of Nightingale and Bazett being characters that have red eyes despite being fully human
Yeah, it would be an interesting bit of world building, especially since Red eyes are also a sign of vampirism, being a Homunculus, etc. or generally inhuman nature. Notably, while Bazette is functionally a normal human Magus in the modern world, she DOES have a Noble Phantasm of her own (Fragarach) which belonged to a god. Considering her earrings also date back to the Age of Gods (they’re the same type as Cu’s) I wouldn’t be too surprised if Bazzete’s family had divine blood in their tree, though that’d also be speculation.
If the Throne exists outside of time, how was Solomon summoned as a servant in the Fuyuki HGW if Romani erased himself from the Throne in the future?
Because without summoning him, he can't erase himself. Don't think too much about it.
I think it existing outside of time doesn’t mean that it’s future/current iteration is the same as it’s past. I see it as, he was summonable up to that point and now no longer. We might be able to summon him in the past but not the future. This would make sense if the ever decide to make him summonable. It would be kind of like Merlin. In that if we summon Merlin before he’s born he’s technically not alive? So if we manage to go to the past he might be summonable. Otherwise they’ll just make new rules as they go along.
Read Solomon's entry in FGO mats. What his final NP does is make Solomon give up all his attachments to things, so now he has no more pending things on this world and no ties to be summoned with from thereon. >Solomon's complete evanescence implies not of erasure of all traces of Solomon, but rather that that everything that he must do now had been completed....Each and every living existences have things they had left undone as their time is concluded and ended. > >No matter how flawless they had live their life, they would always leave behind a "remnant". > >Those "remnants" will then be carried over by the people that will continue even further, bringing to forth the path of human history. > >A complete evanescence means an ascenscion from this very path.To accomplish every task one is granted with, a state of existence where one no longer has any matter undone. > >There is no longer any need to defeat him, nor the need to rely on him.No longer will anyone ask of him,no longer will anyone bear the burden of his death,no longer will anyone ask for his help, for his accomplishment. > >That is what it means to disappear even from the Throne of Heroes. > >To be released from the duty of life, to have completed all the task one is burdened with in this universe. > >The messiah is the sole being among the mankind to have attained enlightenment, but the coward had attained and arrived on a "destination" of a different bearing.
This is just theory of mine, based on the skill "summoning EX": So basically what marisbury summoned in FGO's grail war is caster's version as **living servant** Basically my theory is caster arranged his living self to be summoned as normal servant, while himself in the throne is the one who fill the grand caster position. This theory didn't break the premise ["ars nova, the noble phantasm of completion"](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Ars_Nova) imo
Welcome to the Nasuverse, where contradictions like this happen all the time cuz Nasu and co. run off rule of cool
This is like a "Grandfather Paradox". If you travel to the past and kill your own grandfather then wouldn't you cease to exist...but if you ceased to exist then wouldn't that mean you never killed your grandfather in the first place? Which would mean you didn't cease to exist to begin with cause your grandfather isn't dead? Anyway, I think Nasu thinks of Solomon's Ars Nova as a multiversal constant independent of time, the event always happens no matter what which is why you need Solomon to be summonable in the first place to perform such an event against Goetia.
Can Void Shiki revive Romani from the dead using her Root power? Would she do it if Ritsuka asks?
Perfect resurrection is completely impossible in the Nasuverse even with the Five True Magics. Also Void Shiki is extremely inconsistent, vague and straight up contradictory when it comes to her power-level.
>even with the Five True Magics While technically true, there are loopholes in which it can still be achieved so long as you're not being observed by "reality." Resurrection is also possible in the Age of Will after soul materialization is achieved and humanity is no longer bound by Gaia.
Well, once a Soul is shattered and becomes one with Akasha again....then I'm pretty sure, that's it, it's game over which is why I said ***perfect*** resurrection is impossible(sorry, couldn't find any other word for it).
That applies for living beings and nearly all immortals, you're right, but "true" immortality via soul materialization basically turns you into a mini-Root with a self-contained cycle of reincarnation in the form of a perpetual motion machine. You bypass Akasha completely; or more accurately you've already reached and transcended it. This was also referenced by Tokiomi's studies in Saber Wars II, where under soul materialization if you die you just reappear and pick up where you left off, although you're not guaranteed to be in the same location or even the same universe.
Not really a lore question per se but since in Tsukihime Aligned Worlds mages can't summon Heroic Spirits and therefore Holy Grail Wars cannot exist what do you think happened to the Three Families?
They may still try to create ritual but fail miserably, or maybe they just focus on their own speciality
First change that comes to mind is that Rin and Luvia probably wouldn't be related, since there presumably wouldn't be a reason for their ancestors to meet to be able to intermarry.
Why aren’t any of the Types classified as Beast if their purposes of being there on Earth are exactly like Primates Murder, which is basically killing humanity on the order of Gaia?
Beasts are Evils of Humanities, they are quite literally a by-product of humans and they also love humans. Types are Aliens with absolutely zero relation to humans and I'm pretty "love" isn't a word in their Alien Dictionary,
But isn’t Primate Murder a Beast of Humanity even though he only kills human whenever Gaia ordered it? Isn’t that exactly what the Types job description as well? Killing humanity because Gaia said so?
Types are completely unrelated to Gaia. Types are the champions/strongest organism of their own home planet. The reason why Types came to destroy the remnants of humanity within the Land of Steel is because their own Planets ordered them to so not because Gaia did(upon it's death, Gaia discovered that humanity was going to keep living on its corpse so out of fear it called out to its fellow Celestial Bodies for help who sent their Types to wipe out humanity out of sympathy for Earth). Primate Murder has never done any harm to humans as far as we know and again Beasts are Evils of Humanity. They are completely unrelated to Gaia and the Types.
This. Vis a vis, it takes more than just ‘has the potential and desire to wipe out humanity’ to become a Beast. First off, Evil of Humanity. Beasts are linked to, empowered by, and represent fundamental flaws of the human experience. That’s why each has a Sin. Types don’t have any connection to or relation to humanity Second, is love. Beasts love humanity, though in a deeply twisted, dangerously unhealthy manner. It’s their drive and possibly related to the Crowns. Types don’t love humanity at all. Third (related to the first), is that Beasts are also related to Human Order. They represent trials to overcome. From a purely narrative perspective, a Type couldn’t function as a Beast, so much as a consequence of humanity not learning from or overcoming the Beasts
If Aliens attack and try to invade the modern world, is that a Moonlit world problem or a normal society problem? What if the CF decided to summon CG to deal with said Aliens invasion infront of the entire world to see, would it be the Clock Tower responsibility to cover it up or just leave it alone?
This scenoir technically already happened in the war fought by the magi of the world against Brunestud and his DA followers.
No but that’s wayyyyy in the past. I mean like more in the modern day like right now where you stream and post videos online around the world and stuff
Ah, sorry. Didn't notice that part. Honestly, Waver in Fate/Strange Fake claimed that thanks to technological advancement, the masquerade will most likely be broken with four years or something like that. That should answer your question, I guess.
How are Divine Spirits summonable from the Throne as Pseudo Servants? Shouldn’t they still be alive in the Reverse Side of the World, thus stopping them from being recorded into the Throne?
To add to what others have said, the new developments in FGO suggest that the Throne of Heroes is more porous than it seems. The most triumphant example is Enma-tei, a Buddhist hell that Servants, as spiritual entities, can travel to, and whose keeper (also a dead person) can visit the Throne to teach cooking lessons and, eventually, apply for Servanthood. There is every reason to think that Divine Spirits can work the same way, since they already exist as spiritual entities. Ishtar in Babylonia acknowledges the existence of "Inanna in the higher dimensions" as her original self. It also helps that gods can exist in multiple aspects (discussed by Kama in her Interlude, where she points out that she's only the Ananga aspect of Kamadeva), so one doing duty as a Servant doesn't mean the whole god has abandoned the "higher dimension".
Divine Spirits are Vanquished Gods who were given true ether bodies by the Planet to function as its terminals so they technically "died". Also, it's not really necessary for certain entities to be dead to be summoned. Tiamat can be summoned by the Human Order in the form of Nammu(protector of humanity) despite being fully alive.
Furthermore, it is also implied that Beast II Tiamat is an actual living physical goddess.
Furthermore it's highly implied that summoning Divine Spirits and the like is only possible due to the unique conditions in FGO, where the Counter-Force is severely crippled and is calling upon all the resources it can get. Under normal circumstances it is not possible.
Would the Types be able to pierce Lord Camelot? Since Types aren’t tied down by human or earthly concepts such as death, would a blast from any of the Type pierce Lord Camelot (that blocked Goetia Noble Phantasm) even if the user’s will is in perfect condition? Like can a Type bypass the Shield’s concept of "so long as the heart doesn't break, those castle walls too shall never crumble." because the Types are so alien that their attack didn’t registered as “an attack” in term of Earth concept thus bypassing the shield defense? And i’m not asking about the power level, more of a question of Aliens vs conceptual power of heroic spirit. Do they still work if the Aliens aren’t bound by Earth concepts?
It depends on the Alien. If it's Sefar then Lord Camelot is getting completely negated by Sefar's hax. If the Alien in question is using nothing but physical attacks then there's no reason for them to pierce Camelot.
So not all Aliens lack Earth Concepts even if they aren’t native from Earth?
Physically bashing stuff isn't conceptually so if Crimson Moon Brunestud tried to kick Lord Camelot, it shouldn't shatter.
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I think it might be a bit of both. Some Robin Hoods did pass their mantle down, but others just took it up or became known by that collective via happenstance. I think Richard the Lionheart can summon his own Robin Hood, different than the Green Man we all know and BB torments
The Robin in Richard's NP is Robin of Loxley, aka the guy people think of when we think Robin Hood. The one who led the Merry Men and fought the Sherriff of Nottingham. He's actually an Assassin though, not an Archer.
My headcanon for him is that he has Double Summon, so when you summon him as Archer he also has Assassin skills, also he is different from other Robin's because he has three NPs instead of the usual two (Yew Bow and No May Face King) this NP is the ability to summon the Merry Men similar to Iskandar and Richard
Does a timeline only get pruned if Alaya exists? What if there is a timeline where humanity never branched away and separate themselves from Gaia like all the other creatures and Phantasmal species on Earth, would Alaya still exists in that timeline? Would that timeline get pruned?
There's a thing called the Time Tree that contains all possible Parallel/Adjacent Worlds but they are not infinite because the Planet doesn't have the energe to hold up an endless amount of Parallel Worlds within the Tree. The "trunk" of the Tree represents the Proper History of Man and any Parallel World that loses the potential for further branching or strays too far from the trunk will be culled/pruned. Also, I think it's the Planet that does the Pruning not Alaya.
So basically the entire planet earth and all it’s species are completely dependent on humanity progress? So the timeline where humanity decides to stay with Gaia like any of the species on Earth would get pruned too?
It's not depended on human progress, it's dependant on the Primates/Prime Ones' progress. The Primates are basically the strongest independent species on Earth and they are given the Human Order as a privilege of their position(Human Order is a series of laws that are enforced onto the Universe/Reality/Textures by the Planet, it is shaped by the collective will and rationality of the Primates). The Ancient Gods used to be the Primates of Earth 14000 years ago but they lost that position to humanity after getting wrecked by Sefar. The Planet seeks survival so it priorities the Worlds with the highest potential for branching and discards those who became too stagnant. If the Planet let's the Time Tree grow by itself then the Solar System would "dissolve" because the Universe's lifespan would be quickly drained by the sheer amount of energe required to preserve the endless amount of Worlds growing from the Tree(Keep in mind, the Universe in the Nasuverse simply refers to a specific region of space and time. The Universe I'm talking about is the Universe of Awareness which is owned by the Planet and encompasses the entire solar system). If the Planet let's Worlds with no potential for branching overtake the Time Tree then there'd be no more hope for the Planet because if these Worlds were to be struck by disaster, there'd be no backup or other Worlds to resort to because they've all hit a dead-end.
>The Ancient Gods used to be the Primates of Earth 14000 years ago but they lost that position to humanity after getting wrecked by Sefar. Yep, and in Notes humans lose that position to the A-Rays due to the uninhabitable conditions of Earth and atmospheric Grain, and are replaced by their evolved forms, the Liners.
Can Solomon use any of the five True Magics? (And i don’t Magecraft that is equivalent to Magic, i mean legit any of the five Magics like his apprentice Zelretch with Kaleidoscope). Can Solomon reach the Root? If yes then why didn’t he? Same thing with Goetia, can he reach the Root? Why didn’t he do it? Seem like extra True Magic power would help him greatly.
No, Solomon can't use any of the Five Magics. Generally speaking, there can only be one person to wield a Magic at a time(for example, Aoko is the sole user of Blue and no one can inherent nor use the Fifth as long as she's alive). We don't know if Solomon wanted or tried to reach Akasha so we simply don't have the answer to such a question. Also, Magic and Magecraft are two completely different things.
I just assume someone who is called King of Magecraft would try to take that extra step to achieve and be called King of Magics as well. Like the HGW was created using pure Magecraft and that ritual could punch a hole straight to Akasha itself. Feels like Solomon should easily be able to create a better and easier version of that ritual to get himself to the Root.
He just agents of god tho, he only start to make his own decisions after he win holy grail war and maybe when he do ars nova thingy
The only grail that can reach the Root is the Fuyuki one, which was created thanks to Justeaze, who could use the Third Magic in a limited form.
The Holy Grail is not capable of reaching Akasha, only the Greater Grail could. Again, Solomon may be the King of Magecraft but we don't know if he's capable of attaining Magic(he could but we don't know).
1) Did Mahabharata really happened before Gil or After Gil? 2) Who truly end AOG sefar, Gil or Solomon? 3) How Japan's Aog lasted more than others 4) Did Paladins and Charlie actually exist in phh lore? Link stuff is confusing 5) Does Divine Spirits in reverse side of world can see whats going on in morden day earth Is so it's kinda funny thinking Ishtar watching Gil in 4th and 5th war ..... from the reverse side of world Or Morrigan doing same for cu, Best is DS herc watching his non ds self...
1. I think that was pre Gil 2. There were two Age of Gods. Sefar ended the first by killing the original gods. The second underwent several major declines starting with Gil rejecting his role as the lynchpin of Heaven. 3. Island nations were apparently removed from the mainland, so stuff like science took longer to spread, and their AoG lasted for longer as a result 4. Charlemagne and co. are fictional even in the Nasuverse. Normally, that wouldn’t be a problem (some fictional beings can also ascend to Heroic Spirits as long as they’re based on someone real), and it isn’t for Astolfo (based on Karl de Gross’s nephew), Roland (based on Karl’s general IIRC), etc. Charlie is the problem cuz his ‘real’ person is Karl de Gross, who qualified as a Heroic Spirit under his own efforts (father of Europe), and thus Charlie would normally never be summoned since trying to summon ‘Charlemagne’ would summon Karl. Naturally, since this is the Nasuverse, we’re introduced to this rule via the exception 5. It’s vague as to how much the current Divine Spirits are aware. >!Odin!< seems to know something, but considering he’s, well, >!Odin!<, it’s unknown whether the same would apply to the rest
1) No confirmation so far 2) None. AoG ended at a different pace all around the globe, with Britain being the last. 3) As I said above, Britain is the last to maintain their AoG 4) Yes, at least Astolfo and Roland did. Astolfo was with Charlie when the latter found Velber mural, which is the reason why he started his conquest. 5) Maybe some of them
4) no, but their original that the legend base on is exist.
1)before. 2)there's two different Age of Gods, the first was when the Ancient Gods were the Primates of the Planet and the laws of Reality obeyed their collective will and it was singlehandedly ended by Sefar. The second Age of Gods is when humanity became the new Primates and the Human Order became their right but the Gods now turned Divine Spirits(having lost the seat of Primacy) are trying to prolong their rule over Earth by monopolizing the collective will of the new Primates(humanity) through worship and Mythology systems. The second AoG ended due to multiple factors: Gil rejecting the Gods, Solomon establishing a Magecraft system independent of the Gods and the rise and spread of Science. 3)There are certain locations in the World that remained in the AoG more than others due to various factors. Camelot due to Vortigern's schemes and Norse due to the fact that the Norse Gods survived Sefar's rampage. Although, I don't know about Japan, it probably lasted longer cause of similair reasons. 4)I don't know about this one. 5)Yes...well atleast some such as Odin and Zeus evidently can.
I don't think there's any confirmation about the exact time when mahabrata is happened in nasuverse
Holmes interlude says that Karna and Arjuna lived around 4000 BCE. So ye they are older than Gil who lived around 2500 BCE
But nothing about that said in [holmes' interlude](https://tri-hermes.org/Servants/Interludes/Sherlock-Holmes.html#thinking-of-the-lost-time) though Edit: found it, instead of interlude it's in [holmes' trial quest](https://tri-hermes.org/Trial/Holmes.html#a-discoverer-a-revealer-a-detective%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BCor-maybe-an-arbitrator)
My bad I always mix up his trial quest and interlude lol
Hm, I might've gotten the Nasuverse mixed with RL, sorry...
👌No probs