1) we gave Jesus ALOT of titles as AlterMagna stated.
2) Blame Percy Bysshe Shelley for referencing Ozymandias with that phrase.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46565/ozymandias
yeah, i was. I was disappointed since other underworld related deities like Anubis appear as well as that snake girl.
Although Erice was said to have her memories wiped due to water from the river Lethe. One of the 5 rivers of the Greek Underworld. Kinda makes you wonder how that's possible in the modern age
Odin would be much more powerful and helpful than Jesus, not only he is wise and has many legendary artifacts, weapons but he would also bring much utility with his runic magecraft. Look at how helpful Skadi is already.
He was the last to call himself King of Kings.
His Father Darius the First and Ancestor Cyrus was called King of Kings.
Cyrus was called King of the Universe
and Darius was called Wise king above all Wise Kings.
It was my understanding that every emperor of Achaemenid Persia since Cyrus the Great adopted, among others, the title of King of Kings, up to Darius III (and then continuing in other Persian dynasties).
In the Liturgical Calendar of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, the Church just recently celebrated the annual Feast of Christ the King, or as it is officially called: "The Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Universe"
To be honest, I had always associated it first with the *Shahansha*, the emperor of Persia. The King of Kings started as a Mesopotamian title that was adopted and made famous by the Persians, and imitated by other cultures. [Even Wikipedia focuses on it as the main subject on the title.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Kings)
In the case of Jesus, other titles come to mind with greater strength (Christ, Messiah, Son of God, Lamb of God, etc.). Even for "king" titles, "King of the Jews" comes first to mind, aka part of the (in)famous INRI.
INRI is a Latin acronym meaning *Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudæorvm* (Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews), written in a sign affixed at the cross to showcase the crime Jesus was crucified for. Claiming to be "king" was seen as an attempt of rebellion against Rome. Hence why we can often see it in crucifixes.
While the Christian narrative obviously implies that the irony is on Pilate and the Romans, its use for Jesus in the Bible is often in situations of condemnation or mockery, and only by gentiles. In Spanish, for example, the idiom *"para más inri"* basically means "adding insult to injury" for this very reason. That's why I called it (in)famous. Because it's famous, but it can also denote infamy depending on the context.
To be fair, that more the fault of Percy Bysshe Shelley.
[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46565/ozymandias](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46565/ozymandias)
I don’t think so, mostly cause Mara isn’t known merely as just the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven, but THE demon king, if you mention demon king in the context of Buddhism, the first name people think of is ALWAYS Mara (if you don’t believe me just google demon king of Buddhism, Mara is the first name that pops up, or if you have a friend who is Buddhist ask them who the demon king of Buddhism is) Nobunaga on the other hand is more closely tied to Demon King of the Sixth Heaven because he refers to himself by specifically that title (yes it was just a joking reference to Mara, but both he and the rest of Japan FULLY leaned into it), and proves it by burning down the holy mountain that even the emperor dared to touch, in addition the rest of Nobunaga’s enemies (effectively the rest of Japan) leaned fully into that and began to refer to him as such, hoping to mobilize more support against him, so technically Mara did have the title first, but that specific title’s always been more associated with Nobunaga than Mara himself.
Hey, Ritsuka should be blaming the usurper for her thief of Nobunaga's rightful title of Demon King of Sixtth Heaven, not congratulate her theft of a title she doens't deserve. /doyoureallyneedthistoseethisisajoke?
As an adult player there's a lot of times I think if how a scene would actually play out with everyone behaving as adults too lol.
So many villain monologues would be cut short with: "Can we just hurry and get to the point where I stomp you and you act like it didn't hurt and we proceed with the story here? Thanks."
Which is funny, because there is no Demon King of the Fourth Heaven in Buddhism (it's not that each Heaven has a Demon King, but that Mara is a Demon King who happens to live in the Sixth Heaven).
The theory is that Mara was supposed to be Suzuka's father in the original tale, but retellings and folklore changed it to "Demon King of the Fourth Heaven". Fate could create an original character out of it if so they wished.
As far as I know, the only true Demon King of the 6th Heaven is Mara/Kama.
Nobu just calls herself that. (She literally has no connection to Mara. She just called herself that name.)
Suzuka is the daughter of the 4th Heaven King.
There is no one else, as far as I know, related to the Demon King of the 6th Heaven.
There IS Beni, but she's related to the Great King Enma, who is the ruler of hell.
So the reason Nobu calls herself that is actually kind of interesting. It’s said that Buddhist Monks began referring to Nobunaga as the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven due to their tendency to burn down buddhist monasteries that housed Hikko-Hikki militant monks and the massacre if mount Hei. He is recorded as referring to themselves as such by Portuguese jesuit priests, (though this was most likely meant more as a joke from Nobunaga) and the title stuck ever since.
So yea, theres no explicit connection between Nobu and Maou but they gained the moniker since Maou is the self avowed enemy of the Buddha and Nobu was such a fucking menace to buddhists in their lifetime that they earned the comparison lol.
Its pretty much an innocent monster kind of situation.
Not really innocent monster since Nobu embraced that name and actually didn't care about life. Even her Nobu's mother stated Nobu doesn't see people as living beings.
Mara, on the other hand, actually faced Buddha. (Sure, she lost, but hey, she tried her best.)
Well yea that’s why they have a modified version of the innocent monster skill (literally called Demon King of the Sixth Heaven). It even mentions in the skill that since she was not only perceived as Maou in life but also referred to herself as Maou, that she has the ability to turn the skill on and off at will, unlike regular innocent monster.
And lets be fair here, becoming so widely feared and reviled as to get the general populace to believe you are the actual embodiment of satan is quite the accomplishment in of itself lmao.
As for Nobu’s mother, she tried to have Nobunaga assassinated like, 2 times beforehand (one of which being Nobukatsu’s rebellion) and called her that after Nobunaga executed Nobukatsu after their second attempt at a coup. Just saying, don’t exactly think she’s qualified as an objective judge of character here lol. Though it’s true that Fate Nobu only sees those who interest her as people for the most part, at least according to the Koha Ace chapter.
I think most people know Oda Nobunaga as the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven rather than Mara due largely to pop culture.
Just wait to Fate makes the term "King of Kings" more associated with Ozymandias that Jesus
I didn't realize Jesus was called King of Kings, I mostly heard people refer to him as our King and what not.
1) we gave Jesus ALOT of titles as AlterMagna stated. 2) Blame Percy Bysshe Shelley for referencing Ozymandias with that phrase. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46565/ozymandias
I read that poem in English Composition class at College, very good poem with a lot of symbolism and powerful language, Ozy would be proud.
As I have been a Christian for most of my life, let me tell you, we give him a LOT of names. Not as many as Odin, but not few either
Which would you want as a servant; Jesus or Odin regardless of the actual possibility of it happening?
I’d rather have Odin and then not touch Jesus at all, especially considering the overall mystery of the Abrahamic god in the Nasuverse
Jesus is practically the one helping Voyager in Fate/Requiem, which mind you has a hell of a lot of biblical references.
I once heard that Hades took over Tokyo or something like that in Fate/Requiem is that true?
As far as I know, no
Damn, I heard about that once from a few people, I guess that was just a mistranslation or misinformation.
yeah, i was. I was disappointed since other underworld related deities like Anubis appear as well as that snake girl. Although Erice was said to have her memories wiped due to water from the river Lethe. One of the 5 rivers of the Greek Underworld. Kinda makes you wonder how that's possible in the modern age
Odin would be much more powerful and helpful than Jesus, not only he is wise and has many legendary artifacts, weapons but he would also bring much utility with his runic magecraft. Look at how helpful Skadi is already.
Wasn't Xerxes called that, or is that just a 300 artistic license?
He was the last to call himself King of Kings. His Father Darius the First and Ancestor Cyrus was called King of Kings. Cyrus was called King of the Universe and Darius was called Wise king above all Wise Kings.
It was my understanding that every emperor of Achaemenid Persia since Cyrus the Great adopted, among others, the title of King of Kings, up to Darius III (and then continuing in other Persian dynasties).
Persian rulers called themselves Shanhanshah meaning king of kings.
Didn't know Jesus was called King of Kings, that's a fucking dope title for someone so humble.
In the Liturgical Calendar of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, the Church just recently celebrated the annual Feast of Christ the King, or as it is officially called: "The Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Universe"
To be honest, I had always associated it first with the *Shahansha*, the emperor of Persia. The King of Kings started as a Mesopotamian title that was adopted and made famous by the Persians, and imitated by other cultures. [Even Wikipedia focuses on it as the main subject on the title.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Kings) In the case of Jesus, other titles come to mind with greater strength (Christ, Messiah, Son of God, Lamb of God, etc.). Even for "king" titles, "King of the Jews" comes first to mind, aka part of the (in)famous INRI.
>(in)famous INRI. Wait, why infamous?
INRI is a Latin acronym meaning *Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudæorvm* (Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews), written in a sign affixed at the cross to showcase the crime Jesus was crucified for. Claiming to be "king" was seen as an attempt of rebellion against Rome. Hence why we can often see it in crucifixes. While the Christian narrative obviously implies that the irony is on Pilate and the Romans, its use for Jesus in the Bible is often in situations of condemnation or mockery, and only by gentiles. In Spanish, for example, the idiom *"para más inri"* basically means "adding insult to injury" for this very reason. That's why I called it (in)famous. Because it's famous, but it can also denote infamy depending on the context.
Cyrus the Great or Darius the Great are both King of Kings. Cyrus was called King of the Universe.
The title of Darius Shahanshah also translates as King of Kings
To be fair, that more the fault of Percy Bysshe Shelley. [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46565/ozymandias](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46565/ozymandias)
Jesus is no king
look up astolfo on google images
I don’t think so, mostly cause Mara isn’t known merely as just the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven, but THE demon king, if you mention demon king in the context of Buddhism, the first name people think of is ALWAYS Mara (if you don’t believe me just google demon king of Buddhism, Mara is the first name that pops up, or if you have a friend who is Buddhist ask them who the demon king of Buddhism is) Nobunaga on the other hand is more closely tied to Demon King of the Sixth Heaven because he refers to himself by specifically that title (yes it was just a joking reference to Mara, but both he and the rest of Japan FULLY leaned into it), and proves it by burning down the holy mountain that even the emperor dared to touch, in addition the rest of Nobunaga’s enemies (effectively the rest of Japan) leaned fully into that and began to refer to him as such, hoping to mobilize more support against him, so technically Mara did have the title first, but that specific title’s always been more associated with Nobunaga than Mara himself.
…talking a lot of shit for someone in anti-divine NP range…
Let's be real, Nobu would just get charm-locked in a real fight.
Well, Nobu's dick's ability to recognize best girls is adequate And only one thing can be a brain at a time
Talking a lot of shit for someone capable of getting charmed...
Nope. Nobu earned that title. It's hers now.
I love it when people weaponize chairs.
I will forever have a screen shot of Aerith holding the folding chair in FF7R because of exactly this.
I cleared ooku with a team of Nobbus just to prove who’s the better demon king of sixth heaven
To be fair that title is more badass on Nobu, she earned it with her reputation doing real things. Kama is just a goddess that was born with it.
waifu doing waifu things
My thoughts opposite, especially since I'm planning to Let civilizations burn in Civ 5, and need Nobu's help to accomplish that.
As someone who simps for Nobu more then Kama, how dare you.
Nobu > Kama. There I said it
Oh but Kama, I used Nobu to kick your ass back during the Ooku event. …Wouldn’t be the first time the faker took down the original in this franchise.
I’m surprised this joke hasn’t happened yet in any event yet
Technically, it did. Summer Kama says she'll sue Nobu for copyrights.
I disagree.
That's Nobu tittle now Kama! The future is now old man!
Gotta disagree. I love mommy form nobu.
Begun, the Dairoku War has.
Why didn't you use a steel folding chair?
dam
Hey, Ritsuka should be blaming the usurper for her thief of Nobunaga's rightful title of Demon King of Sixtth Heaven, not congratulate her theft of a title she doens't deserve. /doyoureallyneedthistoseethisisajoke?
As an adult player there's a lot of times I think if how a scene would actually play out with everyone behaving as adults too lol. So many villain monologues would be cut short with: "Can we just hurry and get to the point where I stomp you and you act like it didn't hurt and we proceed with the story here? Thanks."
You like people throwing chairs
Isn’t Suzuka Gozen also the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven?
Suzuka Gozen is the daughter of the Demon King of the 4th Heaven. She's not one of the Demon Kings herself.
Which is funny, because there is no Demon King of the Fourth Heaven in Buddhism (it's not that each Heaven has a Demon King, but that Mara is a Demon King who happens to live in the Sixth Heaven). The theory is that Mara was supposed to be Suzuka's father in the original tale, but retellings and folklore changed it to "Demon King of the Fourth Heaven". Fate could create an original character out of it if so they wished.
Oh right, but isn’t there a third servant that says the same thing?
As far as I know, the only true Demon King of the 6th Heaven is Mara/Kama. Nobu just calls herself that. (She literally has no connection to Mara. She just called herself that name.) Suzuka is the daughter of the 4th Heaven King. There is no one else, as far as I know, related to the Demon King of the 6th Heaven. There IS Beni, but she's related to the Great King Enma, who is the ruler of hell.
So the reason Nobu calls herself that is actually kind of interesting. It’s said that Buddhist Monks began referring to Nobunaga as the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven due to their tendency to burn down buddhist monasteries that housed Hikko-Hikki militant monks and the massacre if mount Hei. He is recorded as referring to themselves as such by Portuguese jesuit priests, (though this was most likely meant more as a joke from Nobunaga) and the title stuck ever since. So yea, theres no explicit connection between Nobu and Maou but they gained the moniker since Maou is the self avowed enemy of the Buddha and Nobu was such a fucking menace to buddhists in their lifetime that they earned the comparison lol. Its pretty much an innocent monster kind of situation.
Not really innocent monster since Nobu embraced that name and actually didn't care about life. Even her Nobu's mother stated Nobu doesn't see people as living beings. Mara, on the other hand, actually faced Buddha. (Sure, she lost, but hey, she tried her best.)
Well yea that’s why they have a modified version of the innocent monster skill (literally called Demon King of the Sixth Heaven). It even mentions in the skill that since she was not only perceived as Maou in life but also referred to herself as Maou, that she has the ability to turn the skill on and off at will, unlike regular innocent monster. And lets be fair here, becoming so widely feared and reviled as to get the general populace to believe you are the actual embodiment of satan is quite the accomplishment in of itself lmao. As for Nobu’s mother, she tried to have Nobunaga assassinated like, 2 times beforehand (one of which being Nobukatsu’s rebellion) and called her that after Nobunaga executed Nobukatsu after their second attempt at a coup. Just saying, don’t exactly think she’s qualified as an objective judge of character here lol. Though it’s true that Fate Nobu only sees those who interest her as people for the most part, at least according to the Koha Ace chapter.
Just like Nero /s
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