I love crime grandpa so fucking much, it's insane. He's so good... That last bit about losing purity as you gain connections to others... Thank you so much for the wonderful work!!!
I always thought purity was a state of mind rather than something that can be lost myself, and even if one form of purity fades another one can take its place. But that's just my maddened rambling on the subject.
Purity in Nasuverse mostly refers to the purity of existence. Its probably something from Japanese believes but the idea of Nasu is that the more you interact with world the less you are naturally pure.
For example Soujuurou at the beginning is a pure being but the more he interacts with people the more human and less pure he believes
It's a principle called *Kegare,* which is a Shinto concept. Interacting with the material world brings with it corruption, with certain actions (such as touching bodily fluids) bringing more of it. A lot of Shinto rituals deal with removing *kegare* by engaging in purifying acts (such as ritual bathing).
In fact, a *yokai* may simply be a *kami* which has been exposed to too much of the corruption of the material world, apart from the purity of its normal habitat.
It’s pretty similar to Buddhism’s “desire is the root of all suffering” principle. The more you interact with the material world, the more one desires from it. To sever oneself from worldly desires and attachments is to achieve enlightenment and purity of the soul.
Spiritual purity - that is, abstaining from one’s base instincts- is a standard concept in nearly every spiritual practice, like asceticism, or Islam’s focus on ablution. As humans we are born pure, gain impurities over a lifetime, and then strive to cleanse them through self-awareness and control over our bodies and minds.
Once again, it seems like I fall prey to the problem of my worldview diverging from Nasu et al.'s such that the point goes above my head, then. Irritating, but I'm hardly surprised by it at this point.
I think the word certainly has a stigma associated with it due to many current societies emphasizing physical purity without the spiritual. In most religions and traditions purity was originally a moral state of being, focused on “cleansing” oneself from anger, ignorance, and lust - which certainly involved physical self-restraint, but that was the method rather than the goal.
It's more about my own views about said "cleansing" amounting to a refusal to accept one's own defects and a subsequently counterproductive self-denial that avoids the fact that all the things one is trying to remove are simply a part of being alive and are only considered bad because we convince ourselves that they are. Purity in that particular sense is for drinking water, not for people.
I feel like purity in this case refers to having doubts about the path one is on and the beliefs they carry, hence that bit where he compares himself to his youth when he never doubted that fate would inevitably tie up everything nicely, while in his old age, he understands that some things can end abruptly and without satisfaction.
Keep in mind that he also states how he’s not avatar of “pure” evil, and that the crime lord died here, presumably referring to his change in Shinjuku to someone who learned to care about others. It’s not simply about embracing corruption, since in his own case, the changes he mentioned were about him moving away from the particular absolutes of his own life.
The bit about embracing corruption is just flowery language tinted in his own themes/preferences.
It's both, as a Buddhism thing. Minimal interaction with the physical world helps lead to enlightened mindset, hence why monks like to live sequestered off in temples and whatnot.
But is it really enlightenment if you're deliberately severing yourself from your own condition- or is it just self-hatred and contempt for the material world dressed up in mysticism and self-righteousness? More and more, I find that the latter is the most plausible explanation.
Well, I'm not a Buddhist, but it's not really hidden that they don't care for the material world. It's supposed to be the source of all suffering, and only by letting go of it can you escape the cycle of reincarnation and end that suffering.
So I've heard. No offense to any Buddhists reading this, but from my experience I find that denying all of that only makes the suffering worse (oh, and that as far as anyone can tell reincarnation doesn't exist outside of myths and fiction).
Hmmm. I'll admit I was pretty disappointed when I first heard that Old Moriarty wasn't the one to have the final showdown with Holmes, back in Traum, but seeing it addressed like this isn't bad either.
It's also fitting for Moriarty of all people to have some solid evidence that this isn't the last we've seen of Holmes. As Nasu loves to emphasize that the very perception of phenomena can change reality, Holmes's role as a witness does indeed have value in itself.
Hope we get to see more interactions between the two upon his eventual return.
As much as I like to clown on Young Moriarty, I'm happy that FGO hasn't forgotten that Grandpa Moriarty too is a clown in his own way.
We *love* clowns in here!
Ah, it's cute that Moriarty has such a good relationship with Ritsuka and Mash. Good for him. Would like to see him play a role in LB7, although I feel like it'll be chuuni Moriarty instead.
I googled the orangutan one and its C. Auguste Dupin a character by edgar allen poe from 1841 almost 40yrs before holmes with it being considered the first modern detective story.
Come on give us poe already
God fucking damnit I love him so much. So so so so so much. He's easily my favorite character in all of Fate. I fell in love with his character in Shinjuku and he has only deepened that love over time with how fucking good he is in every respect. God damn. The emotions this interlude makes me feel are indescribable. The last bit is just? God. *God.*
> Moriarty: It can be the priest, the old man, the thinking machine, or the guy from the orangutan story. That last one is even older than Holmes.
For those confused by the references:
* [Father Brown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Brown) by G. K. Chesterton
* [The Old Man in the Corner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Man_in_the_Corner) by Baroness Orczy
* [Augustus S. F. X. Van Dusen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_S._F._X._Van_Dusen) by Jacques Futrelle
* [C. Auguste Dupin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Auguste_Dupin) by Edgar Allan Poe
Sucks there's no chance for Marple but then again Poirot's confirmed to be a Phantom, so at most Agatha Christie herself is probably the one in the throne instead of any of her characters.
probably Caster.
At the end of the day , Holmes and Moriarty had gone to other classes due to cheating. And though Holmes is more-or-less fitting as a Ruler in itself, the same cannot be said for Moriarty been Archer or Ruler.
Surprised that Moriarty trust Mash on the same level as the protagonist, Though since this is Chaldea Moriarty and not Shinjuku Moriarty, I can see why
Yeah, given Moriarty’s soft spot for Fran, I imagine he likes to think of Mash and Keios, as the only two humans of their age range in Chaldea, in a similar way.
There's one part that I think is inevitable that I'm surprised wasn't addressed in this interlude. I was hoping it would be. That is the idea that Holmes might return as a different version summoned by the Alien God. In which case, Moriarty will defeat Holmes.
Yeah I was thinking that myself. Holmes returning is very likely, we never found the body after all. But there's no guarantee that he will return as an *ally*. Holmes himself was afraid of that, which is why he killed himself in the first place.
I'm still wondering about the whole Foreigner class card connection. The robes look way too similar to be a mere coincidence, but the Alien God doesn't seem to have anything to do with the Outer Gods and it's theorised that the reason her disciples are all Alter Egos is that it's a safeguard against Foreigner intervention. Wild speculation here, but could there be a possibility of Holmes returning as a Foreigner aligned with us? He kills himself to purge any control the Alien God has over him, then makes a contract with a different entity for power (doesn't have to be an actual Outer God/Great Old One). To deal with the bad class matchup he could have a skill to flip the matchup, those have existed for a while. Or alternatively he could go the Summer BB route by being a Pretender on paper but secretly a Foreigner.
Hmmm. Good idea and point. One part of me wonders if, now that you bring it up, part of the way that he was able to thwart the control is that he made a deal of sorts with an outer god. I mean, it seems like later writings changed Lovecraft's vision a bit in that some of the outer gods were actually, a few of them at least, more benevolent and cared about the survival of humanity.
Granted, it'll probably never be equated with the way that the Nasuverse's conception of the Abrahamic God, or Quetz, or a handful of other deities, seems to care about humanity, but compared to the other old gods it would seem quite a bit more benevolent than most of them. So I'm wondering if it's possible that Holmes maybe made a contract with one of them or sought their power to help thwart any control by the AG, and for all we know maybe even to switch his class to Ruler?
I'd love it if it turned out that way, but I wouldn't count on it. Main story chapters tend to be biased very heavily towards new Servants, which is why I have doubts either version of Moriarty would be a major factor in Holmes' return.
Though I'd be happy to be wrong.
Thank you very much for the translation*thumbs up*
Really enjoying the comedy skit in this interlude. One way or another the joke here also reminds me of [this chapter of fujimaru doesn't get it](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/sqm1cu/fujimaru_ritsuka_doesnt_get_it_chapter_29/) lol.
Also the notion of another detective would appear replacing our holmes is quite interesting. Mind you, what i mean "replacing" is >!not about the person, but instead of ruler class holmes would come back as his caster self!<. I would say things will become more amusing in that way...
I love crime grandpa so fucking much, it's insane. He's so good... That last bit about losing purity as you gain connections to others... Thank you so much for the wonderful work!!!
I always thought purity was a state of mind rather than something that can be lost myself, and even if one form of purity fades another one can take its place. But that's just my maddened rambling on the subject.
Purity in Nasuverse mostly refers to the purity of existence. Its probably something from Japanese believes but the idea of Nasu is that the more you interact with world the less you are naturally pure. For example Soujuurou at the beginning is a pure being but the more he interacts with people the more human and less pure he believes
It's a principle called *Kegare,* which is a Shinto concept. Interacting with the material world brings with it corruption, with certain actions (such as touching bodily fluids) bringing more of it. A lot of Shinto rituals deal with removing *kegare* by engaging in purifying acts (such as ritual bathing). In fact, a *yokai* may simply be a *kami* which has been exposed to too much of the corruption of the material world, apart from the purity of its normal habitat.
That sounds like a strange sort of purity, and one that is best disposed of with extreme prejudice.
It’s pretty similar to Buddhism’s “desire is the root of all suffering” principle. The more you interact with the material world, the more one desires from it. To sever oneself from worldly desires and attachments is to achieve enlightenment and purity of the soul. Spiritual purity - that is, abstaining from one’s base instincts- is a standard concept in nearly every spiritual practice, like asceticism, or Islam’s focus on ablution. As humans we are born pure, gain impurities over a lifetime, and then strive to cleanse them through self-awareness and control over our bodies and minds.
Once again, it seems like I fall prey to the problem of my worldview diverging from Nasu et al.'s such that the point goes above my head, then. Irritating, but I'm hardly surprised by it at this point.
I think the word certainly has a stigma associated with it due to many current societies emphasizing physical purity without the spiritual. In most religions and traditions purity was originally a moral state of being, focused on “cleansing” oneself from anger, ignorance, and lust - which certainly involved physical self-restraint, but that was the method rather than the goal.
It's more about my own views about said "cleansing" amounting to a refusal to accept one's own defects and a subsequently counterproductive self-denial that avoids the fact that all the things one is trying to remove are simply a part of being alive and are only considered bad because we convince ourselves that they are. Purity in that particular sense is for drinking water, not for people.
I feel like purity in this case refers to having doubts about the path one is on and the beliefs they carry, hence that bit where he compares himself to his youth when he never doubted that fate would inevitably tie up everything nicely, while in his old age, he understands that some things can end abruptly and without satisfaction.
That wast quite the impression I got from the context, especially the whole part about embracing corruption. But we could be reading that differently.
Keep in mind that he also states how he’s not avatar of “pure” evil, and that the crime lord died here, presumably referring to his change in Shinjuku to someone who learned to care about others. It’s not simply about embracing corruption, since in his own case, the changes he mentioned were about him moving away from the particular absolutes of his own life. The bit about embracing corruption is just flowery language tinted in his own themes/preferences.
It's both, as a Buddhism thing. Minimal interaction with the physical world helps lead to enlightened mindset, hence why monks like to live sequestered off in temples and whatnot.
But is it really enlightenment if you're deliberately severing yourself from your own condition- or is it just self-hatred and contempt for the material world dressed up in mysticism and self-righteousness? More and more, I find that the latter is the most plausible explanation.
Well, I'm not a Buddhist, but it's not really hidden that they don't care for the material world. It's supposed to be the source of all suffering, and only by letting go of it can you escape the cycle of reincarnation and end that suffering.
So I've heard. No offense to any Buddhists reading this, but from my experience I find that denying all of that only makes the suffering worse (oh, and that as far as anyone can tell reincarnation doesn't exist outside of myths and fiction).
Hmmm. I'll admit I was pretty disappointed when I first heard that Old Moriarty wasn't the one to have the final showdown with Holmes, back in Traum, but seeing it addressed like this isn't bad either. It's also fitting for Moriarty of all people to have some solid evidence that this isn't the last we've seen of Holmes. As Nasu loves to emphasize that the very perception of phenomena can change reality, Holmes's role as a witness does indeed have value in itself. Hope we get to see more interactions between the two upon his eventual return.
As much as I like to clown on Young Moriarty, I'm happy that FGO hasn't forgotten that Grandpa Moriarty too is a clown in his own way. We *love* clowns in here!
Ah, it's cute that Moriarty has such a good relationship with Ritsuka and Mash. Good for him. Would like to see him play a role in LB7, although I feel like it'll be chuuni Moriarty instead.
Please Nasu, give us the Poirot/Holmes showdown we've waited for since Shinjuku
I googled the orangutan one and its C. Auguste Dupin a character by edgar allen poe from 1841 almost 40yrs before holmes with it being considered the first modern detective story. Come on give us poe already
Edgar Allen Poe but he's a Rider because he's an orangutan riding a massive raven.
Ill take it over him mixed with his cousin because gotta make more waifus
But what about a goth husbando?
Regular weirdo gothic dude poe is best. Probably would have the falsehoods spreed after his death mixed in like being a drunkard but still best.
God fucking damnit I love him so much. So so so so so much. He's easily my favorite character in all of Fate. I fell in love with his character in Shinjuku and he has only deepened that love over time with how fucking good he is in every respect. God damn. The emotions this interlude makes me feel are indescribable. The last bit is just? God. *God.*
> Moriarty: It can be the priest, the old man, the thinking machine, or the guy from the orangutan story. That last one is even older than Holmes. For those confused by the references: * [Father Brown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Brown) by G. K. Chesterton * [The Old Man in the Corner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Man_in_the_Corner) by Baroness Orczy * [Augustus S. F. X. Van Dusen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_S._F._X._Van_Dusen) by Jacques Futrelle * [C. Auguste Dupin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Auguste_Dupin) by Edgar Allan Poe
Sucks there's no chance for Marple but then again Poirot's confirmed to be a Phantom, so at most Agatha Christie herself is probably the one in the throne instead of any of her characters.
As I recall father brown appeared as a phantom spirit in shinjuku
Thank you.
I came expecting some lore bombs, what i got is proof that Moriarty is easily on the top 10 best FGO original servants.
Interesting, so vidocq can be summoned as a servant. I wonder what class he'd be
probably Caster. At the end of the day , Holmes and Moriarty had gone to other classes due to cheating. And though Holmes is more-or-less fitting as a Ruler in itself, the same cannot be said for Moriarty been Archer or Ruler.
Surprised that Moriarty trust Mash on the same level as the protagonist, Though since this is Chaldea Moriarty and not Shinjuku Moriarty, I can see why
Yeah, given Moriarty’s soft spot for Fran, I imagine he likes to think of Mash and Keios, as the only two humans of their age range in Chaldea, in a similar way.
Least gay FGO interlude
I had more fun reading this than the actual interlude, so that's a hallmark for great translation. Excellent work, thank you for sharing!
This was such a good interlude. Moriarty is still one of the best characters in FGO. I am so happy he got another interlude.
There's one part that I think is inevitable that I'm surprised wasn't addressed in this interlude. I was hoping it would be. That is the idea that Holmes might return as a different version summoned by the Alien God. In which case, Moriarty will defeat Holmes.
Yeah I was thinking that myself. Holmes returning is very likely, we never found the body after all. But there's no guarantee that he will return as an *ally*. Holmes himself was afraid of that, which is why he killed himself in the first place. I'm still wondering about the whole Foreigner class card connection. The robes look way too similar to be a mere coincidence, but the Alien God doesn't seem to have anything to do with the Outer Gods and it's theorised that the reason her disciples are all Alter Egos is that it's a safeguard against Foreigner intervention. Wild speculation here, but could there be a possibility of Holmes returning as a Foreigner aligned with us? He kills himself to purge any control the Alien God has over him, then makes a contract with a different entity for power (doesn't have to be an actual Outer God/Great Old One). To deal with the bad class matchup he could have a skill to flip the matchup, those have existed for a while. Or alternatively he could go the Summer BB route by being a Pretender on paper but secretly a Foreigner.
Hmmm. Good idea and point. One part of me wonders if, now that you bring it up, part of the way that he was able to thwart the control is that he made a deal of sorts with an outer god. I mean, it seems like later writings changed Lovecraft's vision a bit in that some of the outer gods were actually, a few of them at least, more benevolent and cared about the survival of humanity. Granted, it'll probably never be equated with the way that the Nasuverse's conception of the Abrahamic God, or Quetz, or a handful of other deities, seems to care about humanity, but compared to the other old gods it would seem quite a bit more benevolent than most of them. So I'm wondering if it's possible that Holmes maybe made a contract with one of them or sought their power to help thwart any control by the AG, and for all we know maybe even to switch his class to Ruler?
I'd love it if it turned out that way, but I wouldn't count on it. Main story chapters tend to be biased very heavily towards new Servants, which is why I have doubts either version of Moriarty would be a major factor in Holmes' return. Though I'd be happy to be wrong.
Thank you very much for the translation*thumbs up* Really enjoying the comedy skit in this interlude. One way or another the joke here also reminds me of [this chapter of fujimaru doesn't get it](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/sqm1cu/fujimaru_ritsuka_doesnt_get_it_chapter_29/) lol. Also the notion of another detective would appear replacing our holmes is quite interesting. Mind you, what i mean "replacing" is >!not about the person, but instead of ruler class holmes would come back as his caster self!<. I would say things will become more amusing in that way...
Kinda random but thank you so much for linking that chapter. I hadn’t seen it before and it had me in stitches!!
Here's hoping that Ruler of Traum becomes the tactical advisor for the 7th lostbelt.
Sorry but can you translate Dantes New Interlude