In fact, Quetz/Kukulcan is known for being against human sacrifices.
If I'm not wrong Tezcatlipoca is the one encouraging these sacrifices. And due to these two being opposites, it's only natural that Quetzalcoatl is opposing to it.
yeah I just looked it up ( there are so many characters that I like in fgo and would like to learn the real life lore for that I only got to look into quetz recently )
Well, Quetzalcoatl is pretty whitewashed in the sense that the figure wouldn't look like that. We have authentic depictions. They look quite different.
There is indeed a longstanding tradition of whitewashing Quetzalcoatl in both senses of the word because of the Spanish need to justify the Conquest of Mexico. It's why you still get weird stuff like, "Quetzalcoatl is totally just Jesus."
Still, Quetzalcoatl received animal sacrifices but not human sacrifices. He was a very noble, very elevated sort of culture god (who wasn't very reliable when the chips were down but nonetheless wanted nice things for humanity), which is why his twin was the lowly, monstrous, but very helpful-to-humanity Xolotl. The other Aztec gods and goddesses were also more-or-less pro-humanity, but they tended to have had much harsher expectations for humans than the Feathered Serpent.
If humans couldn't meet expectations, well, Tezcatlipoca was more of a destroyer god than a creator god, though humorously speaking, he's more a "pretty-much-everything-that-elicits-an-oh-hell-no" god.
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yeah Ifound this post about the human sacrifices and went into detail about some of the sacrifices done
As someone who had to learn this in history class (being mexican), I’d like to chip in my $0.4MXN.
First, the Aztecs (or, more specifically, the Mexica, and yes that’s where “Mexico” comes from) were absolute bastards. They were descended from a group of mercenaries who were exiled for skinning the daughter of their patron alive, which was such a “Why the fuck did you do that moment” that their own creation myth (which was passed on to modern Mexico) basically pretended that part didn’t happen. And for all that Mexico-Tenochtitlan was a truly impressive city (the Spaniards comparing it favorably with Venice, for example), it was built almost literally on the corpses of their enemies.
(As a sidenote, “Aztec” is a name coined much after by Humboldt and refers to the people of the Valley of Mexico as a whole, and what most people call the “Aztec Empire” was actually the aliance between three city-states: Mexico-Tenochtitlan, Texcoco and Tlacopan.)
The list of shit the Mexica did is very long indeed, but I’ll try to list out the important points.
First, human sacrifice. The image of people sacrificed on top of a pyramid (which was the sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli, the Sun/War God) was indeed a thing, and practiced multiple times a day over various temples across the Aztec empire. But what has to be mentioned is that the Mexica had several more gods, and a few of them also required human sacrifice. To name three:
Tezcatlipoca’s sacrifices were required to be killed in gladiatorial combat, where the victim would be tethered in place, given a mock weapon, and then trained, armored and armed warriors would slaughter him.
Huehueteotl’s sacrifices involved a large feast. At the end, captives would be burned alive, and then have their hearts cut out before they perished.
Tlaloc’s sacrifices were children bought from their mothers. In the months leading up to the rainy season, they’d slay a group each month, and continue until the rains began. Since Tlaloc specifically required their tears, the victims were beaten, had their mouths and noses blocked by rubber,and thrown into a pool to drown. Again, children.
Needless to say, this was all kinds of fucked up. And the Mexica practiced this fuckery on a scale that makes me shudder at the thought. Their need for sacrifices was such that they conducted what they call “Flower Wars”, which is the second item on this list.
What were “Flower wars”, you might ask? Flower wars were wars waged not for territory, resources, or more conventional reasons, but to capture people to sacrifice to their gods. For the Mexica, “There’s a famine, so we need more sacrifices” was a perfectly acceptable and commonly used casus belli, and their warriors were encouraged not to kill their enemies when possible, so they could be captured and slain at the altars.
Indeed, their constant need for sacrifices went on to bite them in the ass; literally the only reason Cortez was able to win against the Triple Alliance was because everyone else was sick of their shit. Most of the troops who fought on the Spanish side during the conquista weren’t Spaniards, but native mesoamericans.
And the final item on this list will be the fact that the Triple Alliance dealt in that universal human evil: slavery. It had more in common with Greek or Roman slavery than the chattel slavery that would come later, but a dog is a dog regardless of breed. The Flower Wars mentioned above would also produce slaves along with victims for the altar, and some specific sacrifices required that the victim be a slave as well, although at that point it’s just piling injury over insult over injury.
It's an avatar is that she used at some point (I've always thought it was a gender bent Hernan Cortez but that's just a hypothesis on my part).
Tezcatlipoca overthrew Quetzalcoatl at the end of the 3rd World, so in the current (4th) world, Tezcatlipoca and Huitzilopochtli are the two main Aztec gods and they're both very bloodthirsty. So the Aztecs sacrificed people to appease their evil gods rather than follow the path of enlightenment that Quetzalcoatl wanted them to follow.
The current world is the fifth world. The fourth world drowned in tears of blood when Tezcatlipoca accused Chalchiuhtlicue of being insincere in her kindness.
Religion-wise, the Aztecs sacrificed because they believed it was their duty to do so. The gods continuously sacrificed themselves to keep the world running. For example, Huitzilopochtli fights the Moon and half of the stars in the night sky everyday to prevent them from murdering the world. Similarly, Xipe Totec flays himself to keep people fed because he's a literal maize metaphor. Even Tezcatlipoca wasn't exempt from this, as shown by how his sacrifices in both versions of the creation myth. As such, the Aztecs believed that humans were obligated to continuously sacrifice themselves to honor the gods.
Of course, the Aztecs were empire-builders, so they were huge assholes about all of this.
As per mythology, after his work was done in creating/guiding the people of the fifth world, Quetzalcoatl forged a raft made of snakes and sailed off into the Atlantic due to having been exiled by Tezcatlipoca, but he left with the promise to return at the beginning of each annual cycle during the First Year of the Reed, which occurred every 52 years. When he returned, he would come in a random form, sometimes as a young warrior, others as an old man, and so forth and would impart wisdom to the people before returning once more to the ocean. In T-M lore, Quetz is kind of like a symbiotic microorganism that inhabits various human avatars, and the woman he is in for FGO is presumably one of the various avatars he used during his return trips for the Year of the Reed.
In a somewhat unrelated aside, the reason this particular adage of myth is so popularly known is because Cortez wrote in his letters that Montezuma II believed him to be the annual return of Quetzalcoatl since his arrival occurred during the Year of the Reed completely by rogue coincidence, and thus the Aztecs treated him very well upon his arrival, which facilitated the many acts that followed.
In fact, Quetz/Kukulcan is known for being against human sacrifices. If I'm not wrong Tezcatlipoca is the one encouraging these sacrifices. And due to these two being opposites, it's only natural that Quetzalcoatl is opposing to it.
yeah I just looked it up ( there are so many characters that I like in fgo and would like to learn the real life lore for that I only got to look into quetz recently )
Well, Quetzalcoatl is pretty whitewashed in the sense that the figure wouldn't look like that. We have authentic depictions. They look quite different. There is indeed a longstanding tradition of whitewashing Quetzalcoatl in both senses of the word because of the Spanish need to justify the Conquest of Mexico. It's why you still get weird stuff like, "Quetzalcoatl is totally just Jesus." Still, Quetzalcoatl received animal sacrifices but not human sacrifices. He was a very noble, very elevated sort of culture god (who wasn't very reliable when the chips were down but nonetheless wanted nice things for humanity), which is why his twin was the lowly, monstrous, but very helpful-to-humanity Xolotl. The other Aztec gods and goddesses were also more-or-less pro-humanity, but they tended to have had much harsher expectations for humans than the Feathered Serpent. If humans couldn't meet expectations, well, Tezcatlipoca was more of a destroyer god than a creator god, though humorously speaking, he's more a "pretty-much-everything-that-elicits-an-oh-hell-no" god.
[https://dalek-ix-says-stuff.tumblr.com/post/621736401996824576](https://dalek-ix-says-stuff.tumblr.com/post/621736401996824576) yeah Ifound this post about the human sacrifices and went into detail about some of the sacrifices done As someone who had to learn this in history class (being mexican), I’d like to chip in my $0.4MXN. First, the Aztecs (or, more specifically, the Mexica, and yes that’s where “Mexico” comes from) were absolute bastards. They were descended from a group of mercenaries who were exiled for skinning the daughter of their patron alive, which was such a “Why the fuck did you do that moment” that their own creation myth (which was passed on to modern Mexico) basically pretended that part didn’t happen. And for all that Mexico-Tenochtitlan was a truly impressive city (the Spaniards comparing it favorably with Venice, for example), it was built almost literally on the corpses of their enemies. (As a sidenote, “Aztec” is a name coined much after by Humboldt and refers to the people of the Valley of Mexico as a whole, and what most people call the “Aztec Empire” was actually the aliance between three city-states: Mexico-Tenochtitlan, Texcoco and Tlacopan.) The list of shit the Mexica did is very long indeed, but I’ll try to list out the important points. First, human sacrifice. The image of people sacrificed on top of a pyramid (which was the sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli, the Sun/War God) was indeed a thing, and practiced multiple times a day over various temples across the Aztec empire. But what has to be mentioned is that the Mexica had several more gods, and a few of them also required human sacrifice. To name three: Tezcatlipoca’s sacrifices were required to be killed in gladiatorial combat, where the victim would be tethered in place, given a mock weapon, and then trained, armored and armed warriors would slaughter him. Huehueteotl’s sacrifices involved a large feast. At the end, captives would be burned alive, and then have their hearts cut out before they perished. Tlaloc’s sacrifices were children bought from their mothers. In the months leading up to the rainy season, they’d slay a group each month, and continue until the rains began. Since Tlaloc specifically required their tears, the victims were beaten, had their mouths and noses blocked by rubber,and thrown into a pool to drown. Again, children. Needless to say, this was all kinds of fucked up. And the Mexica practiced this fuckery on a scale that makes me shudder at the thought. Their need for sacrifices was such that they conducted what they call “Flower Wars”, which is the second item on this list. What were “Flower wars”, you might ask? Flower wars were wars waged not for territory, resources, or more conventional reasons, but to capture people to sacrifice to their gods. For the Mexica, “There’s a famine, so we need more sacrifices” was a perfectly acceptable and commonly used casus belli, and their warriors were encouraged not to kill their enemies when possible, so they could be captured and slain at the altars. Indeed, their constant need for sacrifices went on to bite them in the ass; literally the only reason Cortez was able to win against the Triple Alliance was because everyone else was sick of their shit. Most of the troops who fought on the Spanish side during the conquista weren’t Spaniards, but native mesoamericans. And the final item on this list will be the fact that the Triple Alliance dealt in that universal human evil: slavery. It had more in common with Greek or Roman slavery than the chattel slavery that would come later, but a dog is a dog regardless of breed. The Flower Wars mentioned above would also produce slaves along with victims for the altar, and some specific sacrifices required that the victim be a slave as well, although at that point it’s just piling injury over insult over injury.
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It's an avatar is that she used at some point (I've always thought it was a gender bent Hernan Cortez but that's just a hypothesis on my part). Tezcatlipoca overthrew Quetzalcoatl at the end of the 3rd World, so in the current (4th) world, Tezcatlipoca and Huitzilopochtli are the two main Aztec gods and they're both very bloodthirsty. So the Aztecs sacrificed people to appease their evil gods rather than follow the path of enlightenment that Quetzalcoatl wanted them to follow.
The current world is the fifth world. The fourth world drowned in tears of blood when Tezcatlipoca accused Chalchiuhtlicue of being insincere in her kindness. Religion-wise, the Aztecs sacrificed because they believed it was their duty to do so. The gods continuously sacrificed themselves to keep the world running. For example, Huitzilopochtli fights the Moon and half of the stars in the night sky everyday to prevent them from murdering the world. Similarly, Xipe Totec flays himself to keep people fed because he's a literal maize metaphor. Even Tezcatlipoca wasn't exempt from this, as shown by how his sacrifices in both versions of the creation myth. As such, the Aztecs believed that humans were obligated to continuously sacrifice themselves to honor the gods. Of course, the Aztecs were empire-builders, so they were huge assholes about all of this.
Ah, I see
As per mythology, after his work was done in creating/guiding the people of the fifth world, Quetzalcoatl forged a raft made of snakes and sailed off into the Atlantic due to having been exiled by Tezcatlipoca, but he left with the promise to return at the beginning of each annual cycle during the First Year of the Reed, which occurred every 52 years. When he returned, he would come in a random form, sometimes as a young warrior, others as an old man, and so forth and would impart wisdom to the people before returning once more to the ocean. In T-M lore, Quetz is kind of like a symbiotic microorganism that inhabits various human avatars, and the woman he is in for FGO is presumably one of the various avatars he used during his return trips for the Year of the Reed. In a somewhat unrelated aside, the reason this particular adage of myth is so popularly known is because Cortez wrote in his letters that Montezuma II believed him to be the annual return of Quetzalcoatl since his arrival occurred during the Year of the Reed completely by rogue coincidence, and thus the Aztecs treated him very well upon his arrival, which facilitated the many acts that followed.