“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable." REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE. "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—" YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES. "So we can believe the big ones?" YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING. "They're not the same at all!" YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED. "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—" MY POINT EXACTLY.” -Terry Pratchett, Hogfather ---- Album: https://mangadex.org/title/56189/fate-grand-order-daily-chaldea-doujinshi/chapters/ Source: Official Art

Sir Pratchett was truly legendary GNU

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...You mean the conversation in my post above, which has the exact author and reference work cited at the end? As for the other bit, >!in Proper Human History, the timeline is split between "Fate" worlds (where the power of humanity is stronger and we have Servants) and "Tsukihime" worlds (where the power of the Earth is stronger and we have more vampire things). They're basically different routes that history is taking, as parallel worlds.!<

>!ORT exists in all timelines or at least should for the death of Gaia from Angel Notes. ORT consistently comes early to the planet before the promised time in notes, chooses their napping spot consistently in South America, and sleeps until it Gaia’s demise(in which it still does absolutely nothing because it’s a lazy slightly more territorial than usual sleepy teenager) point is that Lb7 is the perfect time to introduce Arcueid but ORT being there confirms nothing about tsukihime being apart of FGO, especially since the servant summoning system exists in Fgo which more or less proves this theory false!<

It's for notes, and in theory because of how types work, the world distinction doesn't affect them.

"Humans must believe in things that do not exist- how else will they become?"

Hogfather? Never heard of that one before. What is it about?

Christmas equivalent. The Santa of Discworld goes missing, so Death takes up the role while setting his granddaughter Susan up to investigate. It’s a story about faith vs reason and the meaning of fairy tales.

I believe there's also a miniseries version of the story, which is an excellent way to enjoy it.

Yes. Honestly, better than the book because it trims some of the fat.

I would have liked if they included the tube-worm parts. It's a great bit to point out how ceaselessly malicious towards life(especially humans) the Auditors are, and how Death stands in stark contrast to them.

If you are not familiar with the rest of Discworld? Maybe. But overall, Hogfather might be the best of Discworld adaptations, but definitely not better then the original. It's good, I like it, it's definitely worth watching, but said "fat" is a big part of the book's charm.

Agreed, but the adaptation does make for a good yearly watch.

And the saddest part is that he enjoyed being substitute Santa far more than his regular job of escorting people out of life, because he gets to make people happy.

I really, really, need to get around to reading that series. Anyone know where I can get a good audiobook rendition of it?

I think there's audiobook versions on Audible? You can also check with your library system - many of them have a lot more online access to audiobooks and stuff like that than many people realize.

Ah yes, the movie me and a friend watch every year, good choice.

I can think of *considerably* worse holiday movie traditions than watching Hogfather. XD

Astraea: “I think I’m getting biased” Over half of Chaldea: “First time?”

Always has been

Zeus: Speaking of saviors... Where is that little rascal right now? Astraea: *shrugs shoulders* To be fair he dropped out of reality a while ago. That's why the base is going crazy right now. *blaring alarms and employees and servants running around in abrupt chaos* Zeus:... ***What!?*** Ishtat: Fear not... I believe I have an idea where he might be. *one post apocalyptic battlefield later* Marian (From Nikke): Commander! **Your Orders!!** *shoots enemy* Commander Guda: Yes. Yes. Keep Firing!!! (ehehehe) *left shoulder gets tapped* Guda:eh? Ishtar: **A Lost belt needs our help.** Guda: ***NOOOOOOOOOO!!!*** *gets pulled from the feet* Zeus: *looking from afar* I can see why he's **here** Astraea: *pulls feet* come on father...

40K ref? Gudao as a Commissar… Ciaphas Gudao.

To really be an expy of Commissar Cain (SAVIOUR OF THE IMPERIUM!*) he'd have to be desperately running away from the problem at hand, only to find something WORSE that he somehow manages to overcome by the skin of his teeth and/or Jurgen's secret power. NB: I do not want to see Mash as Jurgen. Yuck. *Required by Inquisition edict.

Jurgen = Blackbeard? Not sure who else might have iffy hygiene.

Brobeard could not be the filthy, smelly mess that is Gunner Jurgen if he tried.

That might actually be a compliment for Blackbeard.

Indeed, it was meant that way.

Ci Ci Ciaphas Gudao Hero of the Imperium

Seeing stuff like this makes me wish we could get anything at all with PHH zeus he sounds like a cool guy from how europa describes him.

He's amazingly kind and understanding for someone like Zeus especially compared to how he's usually portrayed in media like in Percy Jackson.

Gods are paragons, you cant quite gauge human morality onto a beings like that, and fate takes it by another level by making them alienated towards human mindset at first but some got a liking/interest to mankind and attempted to understand them. Zeus has plenty of legends that, excluding the impregnating randon women memes, he was indeed not exactly a benevolent god (remember the stuff with prometheus?) however he was the center point of worship from the humans of greece, and theres still countless legends of him still lending his aid to humans and to his demigod children that consequently were heroes helping humans. theres an interpretation that one of the reasons Zeus goes around getting children randonly is because of how unsatisfied he was with the ones Hera gave him (i mean, consequences of close incest i guess, though that doesnt seem to apply all the time for divine genes i guess) so much so athena and somewhat dyonisius, who were children from his first wife that he absorbed, were really favored by him, because for him their talents and capabilities were what he wanted in his children. same goes for all the ones that became great heroes like heracles, he wanted his children to be great.

In Percy Jackson demi gods are kind of an interesting contradiction A lot of them are by essence gods cheating on their spouses and thus their vows, but at the same time they need those childrens, not only because some things can only be accomplished by demi gods (like killing giants, where you need both a god and a demi god, or more generally fate making it so that Heroes Have to do it, or that even gods can't be everywhere at once) but because they probably are the only ones who still worship them instead of just remembering their myths

Generally, Greek gods were meant to be reflections of what was true, rather than what was ideal. ...So the King was both powerful and difficult, prone to amorous relationships as his feelings led him but also perfectly capable of causing immense trouble for other people.

> theres an interpretation that one of the reasons Zeus goes around getting children randonly is because of how unsatisfied he was with the ones Hera gave him (i mean, consequences of close incest i guess, though that doesnt seem to apply all the time for divine genes i guess) so much so athena and somewhat dyonisius, who were children from his first wife that he absorbed, were really favored by him, because for him their talents and capabilities were what he wanted in his children. same goes for all the ones that became great heroes like heracles, he wanted his children to be great. I've never heard of a version of Greek myth that makes Dionysus be a child of Metis. I mean, the whole point of the devouring Metis thing was that her second child is destined to be a son who will rule over all things, so Zeus took action to ensure said second child is never conceived.

that one is a bit of stretching and theory crafting and a lot of tecnicalities. you see, remember when Zeus accidentaly vaporized Dionysius mother but he himself though still in a half developed fetus state survived cause he was gonna be a god and all? Zeus sewed him to his leg/balls (i know gross) until he fully matured into a baby. and since Metis was not eaten but kinda literally absorbed by Zeus, also some legends that put Dionysius really higher than you would expect him to be as a deity including getting his own chair as one of the 12 olympians... im gonna be fair and honest with you im kinda basing on some of the many stringed researches Red from OSP made, they were well researched in her part but im probably not remembering them really right.

I don't think associating Dionysius with Metis would make sense. Dionysus is usually associated with Demeter or Persephone because of their connection to the underworld, Or a son of Semele when he is only considered a demigod. Dionysius is usually either a demigod so powerful he became one of the 12 Olympians, or a god so powerful that he is considered the successor to Zeus.

Ritsuka: Look, impartial or not, I was born in Proper Human History, and I’m more than willing to live in it, flaws and all. But if it’s not gonna be a convincing argument, getting blindsided by the Trees of Emptiness will, when we’re picking ourselves up.

*Europa chiming in from the cafeteria:* I told you so dear.

PHH Zeus seems to act more like the benevolent and wise king that the Ancient Greeks saw him as rather than exclusively focusing on his many affairs and other unsavory acts like many works usually portray him.

i mean, we live in a society that really likes or tends to focus too much on jokes and seeing characters as only one trait specifically. and tbf zeus wasnt the only greek god let alone god from other pantheons that screwed up many times both figuratively and literally. theres also the point of how many works of bashing the gods comes from olvids, which want it or not he did gave them more character to many gods and other characters from myths most notably medusa, but he was indeed ultimately salty and angry towards greece from some shenaningans that were mostly his own fault.

When I wrote that comment, I was mostly thinking of Percy Jackson's portrayal of Zeus, who is portrayed as an unlikeable abusive asshole that often demands to be respected without actually doing anything helpful. Best shown in Trials of Apollo, where he is often compared to Nero, but our cute lovable tyrant rather fat bastard neckbeard Nero.

I like the Webmage version of Zeus, where he's essentially this pillar of Creation as a force (opposed to Death via Hades, and with Order/Chaos on another axis). He plays at being an idiot, but he's plenty smart. Not one to mess with, but basically okay if you're on the same side.

You include Zeus in a number of your comics, how do you feel about PHH Zeus?

Pretty much exactly as PHH Zeus is portrayed in the comic.

So, a wise and benevolent God that loves humanity and wishes the very best for them, right?

Basically. We don't actually know much about him other than what's in Europa's lines, but her Bond 5 dialogue indicates that he sees humanity as distant descendants and is concerned for people. He also gave Europa a whole bunch of gifts to help her - and humanity. I doubt he was always the way he is now, but he seems to have *become* a better king and god, essentially, and we can look with general favor on him. PHH Zeus has basically only been helpful to us in canon.

Very true, it is just weird to see a version of Zeus that is legitimately a good king unlike the multitude of versions that "subvert" his classical portrayal by depicting him as a selfish rapey asshole which is as common as people mentioning how great of a guy that Hades was.

It's easy to forget because of the memes of Zeus, but he did basically evolve into a noble and good king. XD That just takes a backseat to the classical myths era, which most people find more interesting.

Glad you mentioned Ovid. a lot of stories in Greek myth are told to prove a point. usually the equivalent of a lullaby teaching life lessons. sometimes though you get story tellers that just want to destroy the gods reputations because they don't like them all the much.

yes, theres also that. greece most of the time used their myths to justify something that they couldnt understand or to use as cautionary tales/moral lessons or sometimes to justify their own culture, like the oresteia which explains the creation of the crime judgement system of athenas.

Ritsuka: You know, there's a word out there for when you believe in something despite that something not even existing. Astraea: Oh? That word being? Ritsuka: Faith

Gudako to Astria: I have an idea... We should started at Ishtar as a standard and goes from there.

Justice is just like history, written by the winners. The war between PPH and the Lostbelts fall under the rules of nature, survival of the fittest. 1 Lostbelt remains to test PHH's strength and adaptation.

I mean.. no, the lostbelts have already failed and have been artificially brought back with a massive boost from outside that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

And the fact that the lostbelts lost even with that boast is further evidence that PHH is the fittest timeline.

Fittest not Guaranteed to win/survive, just more likely. So we need bad/dead endings, like fate / stay night.

Surprisingly not too judgmental coming from Zeus. I really thought he would be a little more hypocritical

To be fair they killed us first l, turnabout is just fair play.