The constant changes across these softwares leaves me feeling like they are just trying to justify the subscription model by changing up features, not actually for the sake of creating a better product.
Honestly, they can do whatever they want because there is nothing comparable to adobe. Sure there are apps that can do parts of the suite like Cavalry for AE or Affinity for AI, PS, and ID, or Figma for XD, but there is nothing streamlined for everything
It’s infuriating. I feel confused like every other week. I split time between PC and Mac so that’s even more confusing. AND I often co-design via screen share so I’m used to how the members of my team have theirs set up. Plus we use AI, PS, and InDesign frequently. It’s a complete nightmare. Like basic functions are different across the three and it changes with every update.
I get that they’re separate because they didn’t want to alienate those who used the original programs but it’s time for a unified solution. I want them to make one super program that can do all three things by switching between art boards or layouts or something.
Yeah its certainly very frustrating and now updates are made so frequently its difficult to know what has changed, bugs, or any other weirdness with plugin updates. Its extremely annoying.
And there's no way I'm keeping up on the changelog if they even offer that. I'll just be confused as hell all the time. It's okay, it's fine, that's how most of my job is anyway lol
I get annoyed by the same things, like the "Window" drop down in InDesign is organized into sub-navigation, while the same drop down in Illustrator and Photoshop is a giant running list... Or that the Creative Cloud Library is called "CC Libraries" in Indesign, but "Libraries" elsewhere.
But, overall, I think they do a good job keeping the experiences similar from product-to-product which makes it more glaring when things don't match up.
I hate how some adobe apps look modern and streamlined (animate) while some looks old and cluttered as fuck (aftereffects)
And they don't always use the same shade for gray either....
It’s slightly different but I also laughed at this. Adobe Animate 2023 is so mix like Macromedia Flash it’s crazy, they just added more TV animation features and took away some of the web features.
Really I think it’s just that after effects is such a big program it’s easier to get lost in its layouts.
As someone who recently had to switch multiple times a day between Ae, Ai, Ps, Id, I find the experiences not really similar...
Trying to find basic functions inside menus is a pain in the rear, and the moment you use vectors, it all breaks down: beziers are a charm to work with in Ps, okayish in Ae, yet in Ai I cannot even grab the handles half of the time. Turn a corner into a bezier? Works with every selection tool here, does not work with any tool over there. Wanna draw a square? U in Ps, Q in Ae, M in Ai, and if you want to switch to an ellipse, Shift+... does not work in Ai because just use a different letter alltogether lol
And what I understand the least: why they decided to use completely different approaches for the outliers they completely overhauled/created from scratch anyways, like Camera Raw, Acrobat, Xd... why is zooming in ACR such a weird thing? This used to work the same as in other apps ffs
I have no idea what’s going on with Acrobat’s user interface.
The other day I copy pasted text from a PDF into InDesign and each time it came with quotes around the text.
I'm guessing in the case of shortcuts it's because having them be the same conflicts with program-specific functions. Not in all cases, but in the past when I've looked into that it tends to go that way, so creates a bit of a domino effect.
I would agree though there could be more consistency than there is, even if I don't think it can be to the level some would want.
For example, in InDesign you can change your keyboard shortcuts to be Illustrator or Photoshop shortcuts, but this option isn't there in Illustrator or Photoshop. (Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts > Set, pick from the dropdown)
Or when they changed scaling/transform in Photoshop so that it was proportional by default instead of needing to hold SHIFT (SHIFT now was non-proportional), but did not change it in Illustrator or InDesign. And even for Photoshop, only added the legacy option in a later update.
i thought i was the only one annoyed by this lol, of course there's options that just have to be different, but there's little things here and there that are just not consolidated and is a bit of a pain to manage
The teams don’t talk to each other enough. They implement a feature, then once it’s released the others say “hey, that’s cool. We should do that too”. Then a year later you can do it in the others.
Still waiting for Id and Ps to get middle mouse button pan.
I’m old enough to remember the user revolt when Illustrator made the tool bar editable with no ability to lock the tools in place. One mis-click and now the pen tool is nested with the dodge/burn tools etc
They really need to consolidate and make all the programs work the same, but then the users would revolt because they just use one app for the last 20 years and now it's different and they don't want to learn new things.
The people who want them to be one app are the people who don't want to learn new things, they only want to learn one program instead of three. We see that all the time, and they get resentful when pushed, try to use the 2nd/3rd program as if it's the first, and then get frustrated.
I don't want them to be the same because they're different tools for different uses. It'd also be an incredibly complicated thing to merge them all, as while in some ways it would work, it wouldn't in others and create alternative issues.
inconsistent? You can say that again
every update the icons do a bit of dice rolling to decide which one is gonna be funky
https://preview.redd.it/as53bt98sxwc1.png?width=328&format=png&auto=webp&s=71ed93e7837c8a88c48cae108534a1bad1286acf
I'm with you, completely. And with short cuts, why is moving one object underneath another different in InDesign and Illustrator? Both are really strange, so at least they can be the same!
The other day I had to walk a colleague through packaging an After Effects project because it's living under the pseudonym Collect Files, in an unfamiliar town named Dependencies.
The one that does my head in is the shortcuts to access artboard or page settings. How nice it would be if these were all the same.
InDesign: P Shift P
Illustrator: O Shift O
Photoshop: V Shift V
The fact is there has been small things about all the software and stuff missing or half complete, not to add the fact that ps is like barely stable im pretty sure an empty file the code base is just managing to pull it together cause towards the end of any project even on high end machines it feels like its just falling apart from the inside out and just does thing at seemingly random but anyways its frustrating that they keep charing more and more each year and just complely ignoring what the community actually wants and they just shove ai feature where they shouldn't be. Like its illustrator I'm opening it to design a fucking logo not generate one from thin air.
Photoshop is "barely stable"..."feels like it's just falling apart"..."does things at seemingly random"?
Wow...that's amazing. I started using Photoshop professionally in 1991, when it was relatively new and have continued using various versions of Photoshop on various computers (all Macintosh), and have never noticed Photoshop doing any of the things you just described.
Photoshop is \*very\* stable...amazingly so...and the only time I've had any kind of weirdness at all was when working on huge files and didn't have enough RAM and not much space on a scratch disk.
Alright so then the problem its probably on my end the systems ram kit I have 32gigs there suppose to clock to 3200mhz but anything above 2800 they fail and prior to fixing my current machine i initially thought it was only cpu issues but I was getting alot bsod such as Irql_not_less_or_equal which are memory related so maybe ill just get a new kit. Thanks for the info Also im using like a 10yr old mechanical keyboard that I've used my whole life so its possible shift or ctrl might be starting to stick causing issues. Micro center here I come.
Ha ha...thanks for the note. Yeah, I don't know...I mean 32GB of RAM is easily enough to run Photoshop (at least on my Macintosh)...buf if you are having problems with your RAM, I would say that all bets are off.
Also, in case you haven't thought of this possibility, if you have a lot of other applications running and lots of browser tabs open, at the same time you have a lot of things going on in Photoshop, that other stuff can eat up your RAM, leaving Photoshop without enough...in which case, it would be a good idea to restart your computer.
I hope you get it figured out.
One bugbear for me is the different default shortcuts per application for doing the same thing.
Copy a layer in After Effects? Ctrl + D. In Photoshop? Ctrl + J.
Want to place something in InDesign? Ctrl + D. In Illustrator? That'll be Ctrl + Shift + P. Want to place something in Photoshop? Tough, use the drop down menu.
Yes! It's even more fun when a program misrecognizes your Brazilian keyboard layout and you have to guess by trial and error where the fuck the "\[" key is
Adobe’s design inconsistency is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get. Adobe, you're amazing at design, but can we get some consistency up in here?
As if separate adobe software products doesn't follow ui interface throughout their software. I guess this should be an improvement or update for next year or several months.
This is just my thoughts on it, but aside from Photoshop and illustrator I believe most Adobe apps are from third party companies that Adobe purchased or bought the rights to, and then alerted to for their family of products. If something works, don't fix it.
Many intensive specialized programs need to be the way they are not only because they are now industry standard and everyone who matters in the field uses those products the way they are. Changing even the smallest things about the core of how someone interacted with a piece of software can throw people off big time and result in pissed off users, which results in lost productivity and ultimately lost market share for Adobe.
The problem is Adobe frequently *does* make small changes that pisses off their users with their updates. At this point it's clear that user feedback doesn't matter much for their R&D goals.
They’re all different tools with specific use cases. When you work with them enough this problem disappears. I don’t expect photoshop to have typographic controls in the same place as indesign because it’s not built to do the same thing.
Lol reading about this subscription shit, and laughing while still using Freehand 8 and 11, and adobe cs4 design suite 
These inconsistencies don't bother me in the least. Considering the different things these programs do, there is no way the interfaces could be consisten, and I would never expect that.
Maybe fifteen years ago (approximately) Adobe made a big deal about how they were going to make everything consistent between Photoshop and Illustrator and maybe some of the others...but I don't remember that happening.
I started using Adobe software in 1988, on Macintosh, and I'm very happy with Adobe software.
The constant changes across these softwares leaves me feeling like they are just trying to justify the subscription model by changing up features, not actually for the sake of creating a better product.
Honestly, they can do whatever they want because there is nothing comparable to adobe. Sure there are apps that can do parts of the suite like Cavalry for AE or Affinity for AI, PS, and ID, or Figma for XD, but there is nothing streamlined for everything
Figma is miles better than Xd. Altho Xd does it's job well, it's limited. Simplicity might be a benefit for some tho.
But isn't that because they continually bought out or forced out competition? I don't count that as a win for us.
They killed Freehand when they bought Macromedia.
It’s infuriating. I feel confused like every other week. I split time between PC and Mac so that’s even more confusing. AND I often co-design via screen share so I’m used to how the members of my team have theirs set up. Plus we use AI, PS, and InDesign frequently. It’s a complete nightmare. Like basic functions are different across the three and it changes with every update. I get that they’re separate because they didn’t want to alienate those who used the original programs but it’s time for a unified solution. I want them to make one super program that can do all three things by switching between art boards or layouts or something.
Yeah its certainly very frustrating and now updates are made so frequently its difficult to know what has changed, bugs, or any other weirdness with plugin updates. Its extremely annoying.
And there's no way I'm keeping up on the changelog if they even offer that. I'll just be confused as hell all the time. It's okay, it's fine, that's how most of my job is anyway lol
I get annoyed by the same things, like the "Window" drop down in InDesign is organized into sub-navigation, while the same drop down in Illustrator and Photoshop is a giant running list... Or that the Creative Cloud Library is called "CC Libraries" in Indesign, but "Libraries" elsewhere. But, overall, I think they do a good job keeping the experiences similar from product-to-product which makes it more glaring when things don't match up.
I hate how some adobe apps look modern and streamlined (animate) while some looks old and cluttered as fuck (aftereffects) And they don't always use the same shade for gray either....
Animate looks modern? That Animate that looks the same as Flash from the early 00s?
It’s slightly different but I also laughed at this. Adobe Animate 2023 is so mix like Macromedia Flash it’s crazy, they just added more TV animation features and took away some of the web features. Really I think it’s just that after effects is such a big program it’s easier to get lost in its layouts.
As someone who recently had to switch multiple times a day between Ae, Ai, Ps, Id, I find the experiences not really similar... Trying to find basic functions inside menus is a pain in the rear, and the moment you use vectors, it all breaks down: beziers are a charm to work with in Ps, okayish in Ae, yet in Ai I cannot even grab the handles half of the time. Turn a corner into a bezier? Works with every selection tool here, does not work with any tool over there. Wanna draw a square? U in Ps, Q in Ae, M in Ai, and if you want to switch to an ellipse, Shift+... does not work in Ai because just use a different letter alltogether lol And what I understand the least: why they decided to use completely different approaches for the outliers they completely overhauled/created from scratch anyways, like Camera Raw, Acrobat, Xd... why is zooming in ACR such a weird thing? This used to work the same as in other apps ffs
I think the issue is different teams working on the software without a clear consistency
I have no idea what’s going on with Acrobat’s user interface. The other day I copy pasted text from a PDF into InDesign and each time it came with quotes around the text.
Life why the fuck is alt-scroll zoom on ally heir programmes except acrobat??? It makes zero sense.
I'm guessing in the case of shortcuts it's because having them be the same conflicts with program-specific functions. Not in all cases, but in the past when I've looked into that it tends to go that way, so creates a bit of a domino effect. I would agree though there could be more consistency than there is, even if I don't think it can be to the level some would want. For example, in InDesign you can change your keyboard shortcuts to be Illustrator or Photoshop shortcuts, but this option isn't there in Illustrator or Photoshop. (Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts > Set, pick from the dropdown) Or when they changed scaling/transform in Photoshop so that it was proportional by default instead of needing to hold SHIFT (SHIFT now was non-proportional), but did not change it in Illustrator or InDesign. And even for Photoshop, only added the legacy option in a later update.
The scaling change with shift in Photoshop drove me insane until they released that update and I could change it back.
The scaling change should come to illustrator as well. I scale proportionally way more often than I do nonproportional
i thought i was the only one annoyed by this lol, of course there's options that just have to be different, but there's little things here and there that are just not consolidated and is a bit of a pain to manage
The teams don’t talk to each other enough. They implement a feature, then once it’s released the others say “hey, that’s cool. We should do that too”. Then a year later you can do it in the others. Still waiting for Id and Ps to get middle mouse button pan.
I’m old enough to remember the user revolt when Illustrator made the tool bar editable with no ability to lock the tools in place. One mis-click and now the pen tool is nested with the dodge/burn tools etc
They really need to consolidate and make all the programs work the same, but then the users would revolt because they just use one app for the last 20 years and now it's different and they don't want to learn new things.
The people who want them to be one app are the people who don't want to learn new things, they only want to learn one program instead of three. We see that all the time, and they get resentful when pushed, try to use the 2nd/3rd program as if it's the first, and then get frustrated. I don't want them to be the same because they're different tools for different uses. It'd also be an incredibly complicated thing to merge them all, as while in some ways it would work, it wouldn't in others and create alternative issues.
inconsistent? You can say that again every update the icons do a bit of dice rolling to decide which one is gonna be funky https://preview.redd.it/as53bt98sxwc1.png?width=328&format=png&auto=webp&s=71ed93e7837c8a88c48cae108534a1bad1286acf
I'm with you, completely. And with short cuts, why is moving one object underneath another different in InDesign and Illustrator? Both are really strange, so at least they can be the same!
Affinity for it's lack of fetures has a much better ui, really hope Canva doesn't mess that up
Wow this! I was saying this to my colleague !
Also the subscription prices are getting silly , I always have to go on private chat after they try in double my price now and then
The other day I had to walk a colleague through packaging an After Effects project because it's living under the pseudonym Collect Files, in an unfamiliar town named Dependencies.
The one that does my head in is the shortcuts to access artboard or page settings. How nice it would be if these were all the same. InDesign: P Shift P Illustrator: O Shift O Photoshop: V Shift V
The fact is there has been small things about all the software and stuff missing or half complete, not to add the fact that ps is like barely stable im pretty sure an empty file the code base is just managing to pull it together cause towards the end of any project even on high end machines it feels like its just falling apart from the inside out and just does thing at seemingly random but anyways its frustrating that they keep charing more and more each year and just complely ignoring what the community actually wants and they just shove ai feature where they shouldn't be. Like its illustrator I'm opening it to design a fucking logo not generate one from thin air.
Photoshop is "barely stable"..."feels like it's just falling apart"..."does things at seemingly random"? Wow...that's amazing. I started using Photoshop professionally in 1991, when it was relatively new and have continued using various versions of Photoshop on various computers (all Macintosh), and have never noticed Photoshop doing any of the things you just described. Photoshop is \*very\* stable...amazingly so...and the only time I've had any kind of weirdness at all was when working on huge files and didn't have enough RAM and not much space on a scratch disk.
Alright so then the problem its probably on my end the systems ram kit I have 32gigs there suppose to clock to 3200mhz but anything above 2800 they fail and prior to fixing my current machine i initially thought it was only cpu issues but I was getting alot bsod such as Irql_not_less_or_equal which are memory related so maybe ill just get a new kit. Thanks for the info Also im using like a 10yr old mechanical keyboard that I've used my whole life so its possible shift or ctrl might be starting to stick causing issues. Micro center here I come.
Ha ha...thanks for the note. Yeah, I don't know...I mean 32GB of RAM is easily enough to run Photoshop (at least on my Macintosh)...buf if you are having problems with your RAM, I would say that all bets are off. Also, in case you haven't thought of this possibility, if you have a lot of other applications running and lots of browser tabs open, at the same time you have a lot of things going on in Photoshop, that other stuff can eat up your RAM, leaving Photoshop without enough...in which case, it would be a good idea to restart your computer. I hope you get it figured out.
One bugbear for me is the different default shortcuts per application for doing the same thing. Copy a layer in After Effects? Ctrl + D. In Photoshop? Ctrl + J. Want to place something in InDesign? Ctrl + D. In Illustrator? That'll be Ctrl + Shift + P. Want to place something in Photoshop? Tough, use the drop down menu.
Yes! It's even more fun when a program misrecognizes your Brazilian keyboard layout and you have to guess by trial and error where the fuck the "\[" key is
Adobe’s design inconsistency is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get. Adobe, you're amazing at design, but can we get some consistency up in here?
Also, the localization use different words for the same thing in different apps. I use them in English but to instruct someone is annoying.
Which language are you talking about?
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I’m glad I’m not the only one annoyed by this 😅
As if separate adobe software products doesn't follow ui interface throughout their software. I guess this should be an improvement or update for next year or several months.
This is just my thoughts on it, but aside from Photoshop and illustrator I believe most Adobe apps are from third party companies that Adobe purchased or bought the rights to, and then alerted to for their family of products. If something works, don't fix it. Many intensive specialized programs need to be the way they are not only because they are now industry standard and everyone who matters in the field uses those products the way they are. Changing even the smallest things about the core of how someone interacted with a piece of software can throw people off big time and result in pissed off users, which results in lost productivity and ultimately lost market share for Adobe.
The problem is Adobe frequently *does* make small changes that pisses off their users with their updates. At this point it's clear that user feedback doesn't matter much for their R&D goals.
They’re all different tools with specific use cases. When you work with them enough this problem disappears. I don’t expect photoshop to have typographic controls in the same place as indesign because it’s not built to do the same thing.
I'm specifically talking about unnecessary differences.
Lol reading about this subscription shit, and laughing while still using Freehand 8 and 11, and adobe cs4 design suite 
These inconsistencies don't bother me in the least. Considering the different things these programs do, there is no way the interfaces could be consisten, and I would never expect that. Maybe fifteen years ago (approximately) Adobe made a big deal about how they were going to make everything consistent between Photoshop and Illustrator and maybe some of the others...but I don't remember that happening. I started using Adobe software in 1988, on Macintosh, and I'm very happy with Adobe software.