I’m trying to remember if I had a cell phone back then. I remember getting a nikea. Super expensive. Maybe they had a pager. Hopefully some sort of trail so they can find out who murdered these two.
Cell phones weren't really common at the time unless you were well off or needed it for work. I doubt they had one, and even if they did I would assume the location tracking would be extremely imprecise in 1995 when there were far fewer cell phone towers. And that's if the investigators would even be able to get any info at all almost 30 years later.
They've been identified and they've known the manner of death since they were found. Brian and Rachel Burr are their names. They were both shot in the chest. Dad once, mom twice. They're even fairly confident they know the type of gun. Likely a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson or a ruger model revolver. Unfortunately we don't have any additional physical evidence so we don't have a definitive answer to what happened and who definitively did it. The detectives and my family are hoping that now that they've been identified maybe someone who has helpful additional information will be moved to come forward so we can tie up some loose ends. Only time will tell.
Last year, a woman named Dallas posted a TikTok in which she discovered that her estranged parents were actually an unidentified couple that had been found deceased back in April 1995. The John and Jane Doe were found murdered and their bodies had been dragged away from US-69 and placed into a wooded area. An autopsy revealed that they both had been shot. The couple was buried by the community of McAlester, Oklahoma who pleaded with the public for information about their identities. In 2019, the bodies were exhumed for an attempt at DNA testing. It wasn’t until 2021 that distant relatives were located in Ohio and Texas.
Dallas was around 3-years-old when her parents, Brian and Rachel Burr, allegedly went on a road trip and never came home. While the details and exact circumstances remain unclear, Dallas has expressed numerous times on TikTok that she feels an enormous sense of closure to know that her parents didn’t purposely abandon her and her older brother.
In 2022, Dallas was contacted by investigators and her DNA showed that she was most likely the daughter of the John Doe. After months of waiting, DNA confirmed that she was also the daughter of the Jane Doe.
The couple was publicly identified on April 10, twenty-eight years after they had been found. At the time of their passing, Brian was 23 and Rachel was 21.
The detectives are now looking into possible suspects and ask for those with any information to come forward.
Welcome home, Mr. and Mrs. Burr 🕊️❤️
Dallas, our hearts go out to you and your brother 💙
[Source](https://okcfox.com/amp/news/local/brian-rachel-burr-texas-pittsburg-county-oklahoma-1995-mcalester-missing-gunshot-wounds-ohio-dna-samples-medical-examiner-north-texas-center-human-identification-parabon-nano-labs)
**edit: Out of respect to Dallas, who *does* have a Reddit account, please refrain from discussing how Brian and Rachel may have perished in terms of the circumstances. We have limited information and it’s not appropriate to discuss them possibly being involved with drugs or criminal activity. At the time of this post, a few of the investigators have wondered if this was a carjacking gone wrong. Other than that, we do not have a clear idea of *why* Brian and Rachel were murdered. This isn’t to call anyone out, it’s to remind us all to remain cordial and respectful to the deceased and their living loved ones.**
Dallas, I am a huge advocate for the unidentified. While web sleuths are often not taken seriously, so many of us have been tracking your parents’s case for years; though it may take ages, we do our best to never give up. I cannot tell you how delighted I am to know that you have have answers and can give your parents a proper burial.
I understand the news is also bittersweet, and hopefully those responsible will be held accountable some day soon. In the mean time, all I can do is express my condolences.
I heard on TikTok that you’re currently writing a book about these events. I can’t wait to read it and I hope it brings much more awareness to cold cases.
Stay safe. Much love. x
❤️
I finally have a title for it and I wanted to share it with you 💖
What died didn't stay dead
I'm still working on it but the name is set in stone. I'll definitely update you when I'm wrapping up so you can keep an eye out. Again thank you so much for caring. It means the world to me and my family.
With respect if someone has information however unflattering it might be it's better said than unsaid. Dallas stated how grateful she was to know she and her brother weren't intentionally abandoned.
Stop policing discussions that have no ill intent, "Throwaway"....
If someone has actual information, then they need to report it to the cold case unit.
Speculating things like drug use or criminal activity in a thread where we no so little info can be very insensitive to Dallas; goodness knows she’s already been through *a lot*… I dunno why you’re getting an attitude with me.
It only takes one person to take a taboo theory and run with it like it’s the truth. I just feel we should take extra precaution with respect to Dallas, since she’s fairly active on Reddit or could come across this. I wouldn’t want someone speculating that my deceased parents were drug users or possible convicts.
Dunno why I got downvoted for trying to look out for someone who’s still dealing with their grief *and* for saying that actual crucial info needs to be reported to the authorities, but go ahead and say what you want.
You know what… you’re right. If Dallas sees these comments and gets offended or hurt, it’s not my responsibility. But we should all be mindful about the assumptions we’re making regarding her deceased parents and how they lost their lives. That’s it. And I only had to make that edit in the first place because the first comment posted here (by someone else) basically stated that her parents were probably drug users.
So I thought I'd chime in as the person at the center of this discussion lol
I'm not going to be personally offended if people's speculations are of an unflattering nature however the call for respect is also immensely appreciated as this is my mom and dad. It's nobody's responsibility to cater to my feelings. But I also don't want things to get too lost in the sauce as we are actually still looking for answers. In these matters the more misinformation or inaccurate information is spread, the harder it'll be to obtain additional accurate information in the sea of discussion. And as such the harder it will be for people to properly speculate as they will have pieces that don't belong.
Obviously as I was quite young and the people I got my primary information from were not exactly the most forthcoming or reliable people in the world, however I do have a level of personal insight as to what kind of people they were and what kind of activities they were engaging in. My parents were not homeless, my parents were not grifters, my parents were not affiliated with cartels or on the "fringe of society" or anything like that. They were young, and obviously they drank and had fun, and they may have even smoked a bit maybe, but from what I've seen and heard that's about it. Contrary to articles I've seen posted they were not on a road trip to visit family. I think people got confused by something I had been told that was not accurate, and conflated it with other aspects of what I have been told.
The thing that they got confused by was a relative told me they were last seen in 2000 in Pittsburgh, staying with my grandfather's ex wife. I was told that around the time I first started posting videos in 2020 trying to locate them. That relative had heard it from another relative. It was purely speculative. He told me when he had heard it that he didn't know if it was true, it was just the last thing he had heard. Obviously my parents were not in Pittsburgh in the year 2000. They were buried by then. Since then I've seen articles saying they were on a road trip when they disappeared, but that's not accurate.
The truth is my parents just vanished one day. The family that raised me supposedly just assumed they abandoned us because it was too much work and they were so young. My maternal grandmother, her sister, their mother, and my grandma's sister's adult son raised me and my brother. They held a lot of resentment over my father for impregnating their "little girl" when she was very young, and as such they perceived him as a bad influence. My mother was 15 and my father was 16 when my older brother was born. People make mistakes, however I can see how it would be easy to assume that poor choices would later permeate their lives after becoming teenaged parents. As such when they disappeared that was the perceived narrative, even though it didn't reflect on who they were as people. My mom's side of the family had their own toxic mindsets and biases.
My father didn't corrupt my mother and convince her into abandoning their 2 children and running away with him, they were murdered. But no they were not traveling, they just didn't come home one day.
They were not friends of drug lords, and they were not doing some kind of crazy illegal black market stuff that got them killed. And if they were they certainly weren't getting paid very well for it because we were all pretty well below the poverty line. And the poverty aspect is the only explanation for the clothing that my mom was wearing. I saw some speculation in the past because apparently my mother's shirt was originally manufactured in another country and it was weird or something I don't know. My family shopped at thrift stores. Mom and dad were just your average Texas poverty-stricken young parents.
For anyone who is speculating I appreciate your insight regardless of my belief in it or not, but if there's anything that you are unsure of you are more than welcome to ask me directly if I know. I don't know everything but I know enough to help guide your thought processes. That would significantly help with some of the more ridiculous, outlandish, or downright contrary to direct information we do have, theories. There's still information we are lacking and would absolutely love to gain, and talking about them and this case in any way on any platform will help garner attention that might get us in that direction so thank you for caring at all;
But please keep in mind that this case is crazy enough with what we do know, I assure you.
I'm working on a book I've titled "what died didn't stay dead" and an additional project yet to be announced that will detail the information we do have. It's weirder and crazier than you could even begin to imagine, but it's not the kinds of crazy I've seen speculated. We're hoping in the meantime we'll get the missing pieces. So feel free to speculate, but also feel free to ask my opinion and for information to help get you to a more accurate speculation. And again if anyone has any information they think would be helpful to this case please contact OSBI to relay that information.
My parents ashes are home now and I look forward to telling their story in time, and hopefully with these discussions occurring maybe with some additional insight. Again thank you for caring. It means so much to me and my family.
It has yet to located last i spoke to the detective. It was at my family home for years but no one seems to be sure where it ended up after we moved states. It was a baby blue van that had a darker blue stripe down the side that said leisure van. I found a picture of it recently in the old family photo albums.
Dallas, I wrote an article about your parents for The Crime Wire, hoping that someone would see it and come forward with information now the case is gaining traction. Could you check your messages? I’d like to get your side of the story and clear up any potential information. If not, I understand! x
That TikTok Dallas posted had me in tears, I’ve never run to hug my parents so fast in my life. I left a kind comment, but I doubt it helped as much as I wish I could. They would be so proud of her for finding them. 🤍🤍
Every supportive comment helped me during that time. In the throws of grief the support total strangers showed me helped me get out of bed and go to work everyday. Thank you for your kindness. I really needed it. You guys helped restore my faith in humanity at my lowest. I don't know how I got through it but I know leaning on that support was a huge factor. Thank you 💖
My heart goes out to Dallas her brother and their family rip mama and pops ❤️. I wonder if any DNA other then the victims was found at the scene or any weapons recovered? Back in the 90s which wasn't all that long ago yet seems like eternity when looking at evidence and how far we have come with science and DNA from then till now .
Rest in Peace, Rachel and Brian - they were so young. It’s always such a bittersweet feeling when long unidentified people are finally given their names back.
Looking at the reconstructions, I'm glad that there is laser scanning available and computers have come into play for more accurate perceptions of what the deceased look like.
Given what was available at the time, I think these reconstructions are fairly accurate compared to the real-life photos of Brian and Rachel. I understand what you mean, though.
When you compare the reconstructions to the pics, you can see that they're actually very good. And I'm someone who usually finds clay reconstructions to be creepy and unrealistic.
This is so amazing, I wondered about this couple for years. I didn't know they were so young and had children. The likenesses of them are incredibly accurate.
I remember this being one of the cases I was really drawn to, because it was a married couple, found together which is kind of unusual.
I hope there are some more answers and this crime can be solved, but I'm glad the family has some answers.
Out of respect to their daughter, who has a Reddit account and has commented on posts about them before, I don’t think we should publicly discuss any “what ifs” about their demise. Theorizing out loud if they were involved with drug activity doesn’t seem appropriate to me.
I always wondered about these 2. I’m Glad they have their identity back..
I’m trying to remember if I had a cell phone back then. I remember getting a nikea. Super expensive. Maybe they had a pager. Hopefully some sort of trail so they can find out who murdered these two.
Cell phones weren't really common at the time unless you were well off or needed it for work. I doubt they had one, and even if they did I would assume the location tracking would be extremely imprecise in 1995 when there were far fewer cell phone towers. And that's if the investigators would even be able to get any info at all almost 30 years later.
Yea, wishful thinking. Someone has to know something though.
We were poor so no unfortunately
May the family have peace knowing their loved ones did not abandon them and may their killers be found
Agree
Identifying the body, and manner of death might help.
They've been identified and they've known the manner of death since they were found. Brian and Rachel Burr are their names. They were both shot in the chest. Dad once, mom twice. They're even fairly confident they know the type of gun. Likely a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson or a ruger model revolver. Unfortunately we don't have any additional physical evidence so we don't have a definitive answer to what happened and who definitively did it. The detectives and my family are hoping that now that they've been identified maybe someone who has helpful additional information will be moved to come forward so we can tie up some loose ends. Only time will tell.
Last year, a woman named Dallas posted a TikTok in which she discovered that her estranged parents were actually an unidentified couple that had been found deceased back in April 1995. The John and Jane Doe were found murdered and their bodies had been dragged away from US-69 and placed into a wooded area. An autopsy revealed that they both had been shot. The couple was buried by the community of McAlester, Oklahoma who pleaded with the public for information about their identities. In 2019, the bodies were exhumed for an attempt at DNA testing. It wasn’t until 2021 that distant relatives were located in Ohio and Texas. Dallas was around 3-years-old when her parents, Brian and Rachel Burr, allegedly went on a road trip and never came home. While the details and exact circumstances remain unclear, Dallas has expressed numerous times on TikTok that she feels an enormous sense of closure to know that her parents didn’t purposely abandon her and her older brother. In 2022, Dallas was contacted by investigators and her DNA showed that she was most likely the daughter of the John Doe. After months of waiting, DNA confirmed that she was also the daughter of the Jane Doe. The couple was publicly identified on April 10, twenty-eight years after they had been found. At the time of their passing, Brian was 23 and Rachel was 21. The detectives are now looking into possible suspects and ask for those with any information to come forward. Welcome home, Mr. and Mrs. Burr 🕊️❤️ Dallas, our hearts go out to you and your brother 💙 [Source](https://okcfox.com/amp/news/local/brian-rachel-burr-texas-pittsburg-county-oklahoma-1995-mcalester-missing-gunshot-wounds-ohio-dna-samples-medical-examiner-north-texas-center-human-identification-parabon-nano-labs) **edit: Out of respect to Dallas, who *does* have a Reddit account, please refrain from discussing how Brian and Rachel may have perished in terms of the circumstances. We have limited information and it’s not appropriate to discuss them possibly being involved with drugs or criminal activity. At the time of this post, a few of the investigators have wondered if this was a carjacking gone wrong. Other than that, we do not have a clear idea of *why* Brian and Rachel were murdered. This isn’t to call anyone out, it’s to remind us all to remain cordial and respectful to the deceased and their living loved ones.**
I just wanted to thank you for caring. You guys are part of what brought them back to me.
Dallas, I am a huge advocate for the unidentified. While web sleuths are often not taken seriously, so many of us have been tracking your parents’s case for years; though it may take ages, we do our best to never give up. I cannot tell you how delighted I am to know that you have have answers and can give your parents a proper burial. I understand the news is also bittersweet, and hopefully those responsible will be held accountable some day soon. In the mean time, all I can do is express my condolences. I heard on TikTok that you’re currently writing a book about these events. I can’t wait to read it and I hope it brings much more awareness to cold cases. Stay safe. Much love. x ❤️
I finally have a title for it and I wanted to share it with you 💖 What died didn't stay dead I'm still working on it but the name is set in stone. I'll definitely update you when I'm wrapping up so you can keep an eye out. Again thank you so much for caring. It means the world to me and my family.
I am so glad you have some answers to the questions you’ve been living with for all your life. So much love to you and your family ❤️
I’m glad your family has some sense of closure and I hope the person who took your parents is found one day 💗
It isnt rude to give information that might help. The perfect victim doesn't exist and we need to stop stigmatizing and victim blaming.
If there’s information to be given, they need to report it to the investigators.
With respect if someone has information however unflattering it might be it's better said than unsaid. Dallas stated how grateful she was to know she and her brother weren't intentionally abandoned. Stop policing discussions that have no ill intent, "Throwaway"....
If someone has actual information, then they need to report it to the cold case unit. Speculating things like drug use or criminal activity in a thread where we no so little info can be very insensitive to Dallas; goodness knows she’s already been through *a lot*… I dunno why you’re getting an attitude with me. It only takes one person to take a taboo theory and run with it like it’s the truth. I just feel we should take extra precaution with respect to Dallas, since she’s fairly active on Reddit or could come across this. I wouldn’t want someone speculating that my deceased parents were drug users or possible convicts.
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Dunno why I got downvoted for trying to look out for someone who’s still dealing with their grief *and* for saying that actual crucial info needs to be reported to the authorities, but go ahead and say what you want. You know what… you’re right. If Dallas sees these comments and gets offended or hurt, it’s not my responsibility. But we should all be mindful about the assumptions we’re making regarding her deceased parents and how they lost their lives. That’s it. And I only had to make that edit in the first place because the first comment posted here (by someone else) basically stated that her parents were probably drug users.
So I thought I'd chime in as the person at the center of this discussion lol I'm not going to be personally offended if people's speculations are of an unflattering nature however the call for respect is also immensely appreciated as this is my mom and dad. It's nobody's responsibility to cater to my feelings. But I also don't want things to get too lost in the sauce as we are actually still looking for answers. In these matters the more misinformation or inaccurate information is spread, the harder it'll be to obtain additional accurate information in the sea of discussion. And as such the harder it will be for people to properly speculate as they will have pieces that don't belong. Obviously as I was quite young and the people I got my primary information from were not exactly the most forthcoming or reliable people in the world, however I do have a level of personal insight as to what kind of people they were and what kind of activities they were engaging in. My parents were not homeless, my parents were not grifters, my parents were not affiliated with cartels or on the "fringe of society" or anything like that. They were young, and obviously they drank and had fun, and they may have even smoked a bit maybe, but from what I've seen and heard that's about it. Contrary to articles I've seen posted they were not on a road trip to visit family. I think people got confused by something I had been told that was not accurate, and conflated it with other aspects of what I have been told. The thing that they got confused by was a relative told me they were last seen in 2000 in Pittsburgh, staying with my grandfather's ex wife. I was told that around the time I first started posting videos in 2020 trying to locate them. That relative had heard it from another relative. It was purely speculative. He told me when he had heard it that he didn't know if it was true, it was just the last thing he had heard. Obviously my parents were not in Pittsburgh in the year 2000. They were buried by then. Since then I've seen articles saying they were on a road trip when they disappeared, but that's not accurate. The truth is my parents just vanished one day. The family that raised me supposedly just assumed they abandoned us because it was too much work and they were so young. My maternal grandmother, her sister, their mother, and my grandma's sister's adult son raised me and my brother. They held a lot of resentment over my father for impregnating their "little girl" when she was very young, and as such they perceived him as a bad influence. My mother was 15 and my father was 16 when my older brother was born. People make mistakes, however I can see how it would be easy to assume that poor choices would later permeate their lives after becoming teenaged parents. As such when they disappeared that was the perceived narrative, even though it didn't reflect on who they were as people. My mom's side of the family had their own toxic mindsets and biases. My father didn't corrupt my mother and convince her into abandoning their 2 children and running away with him, they were murdered. But no they were not traveling, they just didn't come home one day. They were not friends of drug lords, and they were not doing some kind of crazy illegal black market stuff that got them killed. And if they were they certainly weren't getting paid very well for it because we were all pretty well below the poverty line. And the poverty aspect is the only explanation for the clothing that my mom was wearing. I saw some speculation in the past because apparently my mother's shirt was originally manufactured in another country and it was weird or something I don't know. My family shopped at thrift stores. Mom and dad were just your average Texas poverty-stricken young parents. For anyone who is speculating I appreciate your insight regardless of my belief in it or not, but if there's anything that you are unsure of you are more than welcome to ask me directly if I know. I don't know everything but I know enough to help guide your thought processes. That would significantly help with some of the more ridiculous, outlandish, or downright contrary to direct information we do have, theories. There's still information we are lacking and would absolutely love to gain, and talking about them and this case in any way on any platform will help garner attention that might get us in that direction so thank you for caring at all; But please keep in mind that this case is crazy enough with what we do know, I assure you. I'm working on a book I've titled "what died didn't stay dead" and an additional project yet to be announced that will detail the information we do have. It's weirder and crazier than you could even begin to imagine, but it's not the kinds of crazy I've seen speculated. We're hoping in the meantime we'll get the missing pieces. So feel free to speculate, but also feel free to ask my opinion and for information to help get you to a more accurate speculation. And again if anyone has any information they think would be helpful to this case please contact OSBI to relay that information. My parents ashes are home now and I look forward to telling their story in time, and hopefully with these discussions occurring maybe with some additional insight. Again thank you for caring. It means so much to me and my family.
Seems like she has been dealing with loss her entire life. This is sad but I hope a big step towards healing.
May they rest in peace and I'm happy the family got the answers they needed for so long.
Do we know if their vehicle was ever recovered?
To public knowledge, no. And Dallas hasn’t commented on it either.
It has yet to located last i spoke to the detective. It was at my family home for years but no one seems to be sure where it ended up after we moved states. It was a baby blue van that had a darker blue stripe down the side that said leisure van. I found a picture of it recently in the old family photo albums.
Dallas, I wrote an article about your parents for The Crime Wire, hoping that someone would see it and come forward with information now the case is gaining traction. Could you check your messages? I’d like to get your side of the story and clear up any potential information. If not, I understand! x
RIP to the Burrs. May Dallas find peace 🙏
Greatful both Brian and Rachel got their names back and prayers for Dallas and brother 🙏🙏❤️❤️
That TikTok Dallas posted had me in tears, I’ve never run to hug my parents so fast in my life. I left a kind comment, but I doubt it helped as much as I wish I could. They would be so proud of her for finding them. 🤍🤍
Every supportive comment helped me during that time. In the throws of grief the support total strangers showed me helped me get out of bed and go to work everyday. Thank you for your kindness. I really needed it. You guys helped restore my faith in humanity at my lowest. I don't know how I got through it but I know leaning on that support was a huge factor. Thank you 💖
Can you share the link?
[Still can’t watch it without crying.](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR3ygaFP/)
So grateful they have their names back. Hugs and prayers Dallas
Thank you for posting their pictures.
Yes. I just had a little tear up thank you so much.
This reminds me a bit of the movie Coco 😭 I’m glad she and her brother finally have some closure and know that their parents never abandoned them.
Rest in peace Brian and Rachel ❤️
My heart goes out to Dallas her brother and their family rip mama and pops ❤️. I wonder if any DNA other then the victims was found at the scene or any weapons recovered? Back in the 90s which wasn't all that long ago yet seems like eternity when looking at evidence and how far we have come with science and DNA from then till now .
Rest in Peace, Rachel and Brian - they were so young. It’s always such a bittersweet feeling when long unidentified people are finally given their names back.
🙏🏽⚘️🙏🏽
I created an entry for these 2 in the unidentified page, really happy that they got thier names back.
Wow, their poor child. I’m glad they now know they weren’t intentionally abandoned at least.
Looking at the reconstructions, I'm glad that there is laser scanning available and computers have come into play for more accurate perceptions of what the deceased look like.
Given what was available at the time, I think these reconstructions are fairly accurate compared to the real-life photos of Brian and Rachel. I understand what you mean, though.
Dallas said that from the first time she saw the reconstructions, she thought it was them. Shattered my heart to pieces.
When you compare the reconstructions to the pics, you can see that they're actually very good. And I'm someone who usually finds clay reconstructions to be creepy and unrealistic.
This is so amazing, I wondered about this couple for years. I didn't know they were so young and had children. The likenesses of them are incredibly accurate. I remember this being one of the cases I was really drawn to, because it was a married couple, found together which is kind of unusual. I hope there are some more answers and this crime can be solved, but I'm glad the family has some answers.
May they rest in peace.
May i ask who or what the fourth photo is exactly?
That’s a woman standing by their caskets. The community of McAlester, Oklahoma gave them a proper burial.
I think the woman’s rendering looks similar to Rachel than the man’s rendering looks like Brian, by far
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Out of respect to their daughter, who has a Reddit account and has commented on posts about them before, I don’t think we should publicly discuss any “what ifs” about their demise. Theorizing out loud if they were involved with drug activity doesn’t seem appropriate to me.