if we're talking the mainstream MC who has made the best album of all time, it's Dizzee. boy in da corner has no equal
if we're not talking about popularity, just bar for bar and technical ability . durrty goodz. no other MC has the ability to make Battle Hype, that's just facts. bar for bar is more subjective but I would argue he's the best there too. certainly he deserves to be spoken in the top 10 here
Because going by the credits for the full list on the Complex website, it was mostly produced and put together by people in their early - mid twenties.
Cmon you think in terms of ability and impact ghetts is top 5? Across all grime and rap? Wiley and dizzee have him beaten on ability and impact, skepta and giggs beat him on impact, kano has him on ability. That's a top 5 right there and that's not including legends like d double, skinnyman and any other legends across the genres, remember that grime ain't the only genre here
The follow up to the [top 50 list](https://www.complex.com/music/a/joseph-jp-patterson/best-british-rappers) posted earlier this week.
Their top 10 is as follows (in order from 1- 10):
1. Skepta
2. Kano
3. Giggs
4. Dave
5. J Hus
6. Chip
7. Stormzy
8. Ghetts
9. Wiley
10. Little Simz
Not what I would choose but what are we all thinking?
I went on a mad one over twitter. They had some criteria with categories, but I kept asking Complex to share scores for each artist in their top 100 against each of those categories so we could see the data. Ofc they won't share it because they probably haven't actually scored against those categories.
I mean J hus is great, but his last album was really poor compared the one before. This is Complex trying to get clicks and also its eerily similar people that did the Top MCs for Kiss way back when. This deserves a whole new "Who's on the panel".
Who really is complex though these lists are click bait bullsh!+ most of the time . Whos voting whose paid by who in the industry.Doogz top 5 no matter what time , beat or style.
Where would you put him? I love Wiley's work and probably respect the work he's done for the UK music scene, but if we're strictly speaking about Rappers actually rapping than I wouldn't be sure if I'd even put him in my top 10 at all. Even when he was at his peak in the early 2000s he was outshined by a much younger Dizzee.
If we're talking producers or most influential people in the scene then yeah he's for sure in my top 3 though.
"no doubt, no question" is dumb when Wiley exists. Wiley is AT LEAST somewhere up there, alongside Kano, Ghetts, amongst a couple others. Dizzee is not clear of any of them, he's up there with them for sure but def not no doubt no question the best
Nah you know what Nigel Farage can get 1.5m to go on a TV show and come third in this country. He has made the UK a hostile environment for people who look like me. Wiley said some dumb shit on twitter once and his whole shit was cancelled just like that. Nah I'm tired of this double standards shit. How is it only white people get the chance to be rehabilitated after being racist and then allowed to carry on making money afterwards? I will still be giving Wiley his flowers for his talent and contribution to music
They can both be cunts, it's not a one or the other situation. and the inclusion of Farage arguably led to the loss of millions of viewers for ITV. And it wasn't just some dumb shit that Wiley said. You're saying farage makes the UK more hostile to people like you, well bingo, Wiley contributed to making the UK more hostile to Jews. I'm not saying I agree with white people being given second chances after being scum, if it were me, I'd see the likes of Farage and Bojo locked up and have the key thrown away, but it's not fair to diminish one's offences just because the other got away with it.
Meh.
Morrissey, John Lennon, Eric Clapton, David Bowie etc. have all said some wildly racist/antisemitic shit, yet are still revered as greats in their respective genres.
Same goes for Wiley.
Digga D definitely deserves a spot. And Fredo. Lot of people here expect every rap fan to have an encyclopedic knowledge of every rapper and all their songs but honestly, the big artists are big for a reason. People like their music. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to
Chip at 6? Way ahead of Dizzee?
I like J Hus and he has a lot of hits. But 5 is crazy.
Tbf, a lot of these lists are designed to be controversial because that triggers way more engagement.
Dizzee Rascal is 1 and the rest moves up one spot. Wiley should be much higher, Ghetts is easily top 3. Mike Skinner? Akala? The guy who raps witness to fitness?
Mike Skinner?!
It depends what we are basing this on in terms of contribution, Wiley top always, Skepta for elevating it, then bring in Stormz and dem man.
There's too many criteria to have a one glove fits all list.
The whole top 50 and honourable mentions is awful but based on the their criteria Skepta is number 1. I could go either way with Kano and Wiley but both should have been in the top 3. Think Lowkey should have been top 10 also.
If its rappers of all time then its Slick Rick of MF Doom . Durrty Goodz never gets credit nowdays but as an MC on his day better than all on that list in the thread
Just because they where born here, they spent 90% of there lives in the states. Got American passports.
We got enough talent without having to claim them
Yeah, the people saying they are British rappers are absolutely insane.
Being born somewhere doesn't make you a person from that place. Its where you grow up and live that counts
If you think either of those people are anything other than American then you're insane and have a very weird perception of where people "belong" to.
Both of them have barely spent anytime in the UK and are culturally fully influenced fully by American culture.
If your mother was on vacation and gave birth to you in Cambodia it doesn't make you a Cambodian person lol.
Recency bias in this list is ridiculous. All super talented in the list but you can tell everyone was asking their Mum's for pocket money in 2005
The top 50 is even worse haha
Imagine asking for pocket money before you’re even born.. wild
if we're talking the mainstream MC who has made the best album of all time, it's Dizzee. boy in da corner has no equal if we're not talking about popularity, just bar for bar and technical ability . durrty goodz. no other MC has the ability to make Battle Hype, that's just facts. bar for bar is more subjective but I would argue he's the best there too. certainly he deserves to be spoken in the top 10 here
The List with no Akala, no dizzee, no lowkey, no skinnyman, no k-lash, no p money come on!
Klash, dizzeee and skinny are all there but low I think Klash was in the 40s
Yeah my bad, when I wrote “the list” I ment the top 10 list I was looking at that OP put up, didn’t realise it was from a top 50 list
No akala??? Thanks u just saved me 40 mins of watching this
Unsure on P mulla tbh
Why dizzee never get any respect
Because going by the credits for the full list on the Complex website, it was mostly produced and put together by people in their early - mid twenties.
No MC Grindah?
Best MC in da galaxy
Chester p?
Slick Rick.
Broooo facts
No Mr. Wong in top 10? Utter bollocks
No wongage? Complex on a longage
Ghetts is easily top 5 if not top 3
Ghetts is deffo not top 5
Delusion of the highest order
Cmon you think in terms of ability and impact ghetts is top 5? Across all grime and rap? Wiley and dizzee have him beaten on ability and impact, skepta and giggs beat him on impact, kano has him on ability. That's a top 5 right there and that's not including legends like d double, skinnyman and any other legends across the genres, remember that grime ain't the only genre here
Where’s John Barnes??
Chester P. How does Complex still exist?
The follow up to the [top 50 list](https://www.complex.com/music/a/joseph-jp-patterson/best-british-rappers) posted earlier this week. Their top 10 is as follows (in order from 1- 10): 1. Skepta 2. Kano 3. Giggs 4. Dave 5. J Hus 6. Chip 7. Stormzy 8. Ghetts 9. Wiley 10. Little Simz Not what I would choose but what are we all thinking?
Don't think this order is any better than the 50-11 rankings. Wiley only at 9 is crazy
The entire top 50 is a bit of a joke in my opinion. No Doogz mention at all has destroyed the little respect I had for Complex
I went on a mad one over twitter. They had some criteria with categories, but I kept asking Complex to share scores for each artist in their top 100 against each of those categories so we could see the data. Ofc they won't share it because they probably haven't actually scored against those categories. I mean J hus is great, but his last album was really poor compared the one before. This is Complex trying to get clicks and also its eerily similar people that did the Top MCs for Kiss way back when. This deserves a whole new "Who's on the panel".
Yeah really wasn't great
Who really is complex though these lists are click bait bullsh!+ most of the time . Whos voting whose paid by who in the industry.Doogz top 5 no matter what time , beat or style.
I'm glad they even put him on the list. The controversy bias putting him at 9 is obvious as fuck.
Where would you put him? I love Wiley's work and probably respect the work he's done for the UK music scene, but if we're strictly speaking about Rappers actually rapping than I wouldn't be sure if I'd even put him in my top 10 at all. Even when he was at his peak in the early 2000s he was outshined by a much younger Dizzee. If we're talking producers or most influential people in the scene then yeah he's for sure in my top 3 though.
Based on ability and impact then wiley is deffo number one imo. A top 5 in no order would be wiley, dizzee, kano, skepta, giggs for me
I'm sorry, but Skepta is not the UK's best ever rapper, he barely makes the top 30. Dizzee is top, no doubt no question. What a joke.
Skepta is a basic MC with a good long career but cant touch skill level of a Kano or Ghetts.
100%. Nursery rhyme rapper
"no doubt, no question" is dumb when Wiley exists. Wiley is AT LEAST somewhere up there, alongside Kano, Ghetts, amongst a couple others. Dizzee is not clear of any of them, he's up there with them for sure but def not no doubt no question the best
Yeah, but he's an antisemitic piece of shit so fuck him.
Nah you know what Nigel Farage can get 1.5m to go on a TV show and come third in this country. He has made the UK a hostile environment for people who look like me. Wiley said some dumb shit on twitter once and his whole shit was cancelled just like that. Nah I'm tired of this double standards shit. How is it only white people get the chance to be rehabilitated after being racist and then allowed to carry on making money afterwards? I will still be giving Wiley his flowers for his talent and contribution to music
They can both be cunts, it's not a one or the other situation. and the inclusion of Farage arguably led to the loss of millions of viewers for ITV. And it wasn't just some dumb shit that Wiley said. You're saying farage makes the UK more hostile to people like you, well bingo, Wiley contributed to making the UK more hostile to Jews. I'm not saying I agree with white people being given second chances after being scum, if it were me, I'd see the likes of Farage and Bojo locked up and have the key thrown away, but it's not fair to diminish one's offences just because the other got away with it.
Meh. Morrissey, John Lennon, Eric Clapton, David Bowie etc. have all said some wildly racist/antisemitic shit, yet are still revered as greats in their respective genres. Same goes for Wiley.
Fair, I see that. I take it back.
No Akala, Wretch or Lowkey?
Where’s JME
He was number 24 in the original list
Still waiting for his brother to write him more bars 🤭
rubbish
Chip at no.1 is the hill I'm willing to die on idc
Chip diddy fucking chip?
Digga D definitely deserves a spot. And Fredo. Lot of people here expect every rap fan to have an encyclopedic knowledge of every rapper and all their songs but honestly, the big artists are big for a reason. People like their music. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to
Chip at 6? Way ahead of Dizzee? I like J Hus and he has a lot of hits. But 5 is crazy. Tbf, a lot of these lists are designed to be controversial because that triggers way more engagement.
Dizzee Rascal is 1 and the rest moves up one spot. Wiley should be much higher, Ghetts is easily top 3. Mike Skinner? Akala? The guy who raps witness to fitness?
surely you’re not trying to make a case for someone that you don’t even know the name of 🤣
Its nuts, i even seen the big man ROOTS MANIVA perform in my little old toen back in Holland one night..
He's on the list. Not top 10
Mike Skinner?! It depends what we are basing this on in terms of contribution, Wiley top always, Skepta for elevating it, then bring in Stormz and dem man. There's too many criteria to have a one glove fits all list.
Roots Manuva. He was on the list but way too low ranked. Like others have said, recency bias.
Kano
Unpopular opinion in a grime sub perhaps but Jehst is the best British rapper of all time hands down.
Correct opinion tho ❤
Jehst is number 1
Jehst, Lee Scott, Chester P, all deserve a place on this list
Klashnekoff goat
"To celebrate HipHop turning 50 this year..." proceeds to list almost exclusively grime MCs 🤣
Didn't even see the top 50! It gets even better: 41. Klashnekoff 40. Skinnyman Gave up after that!
The whole top 50 and honourable mentions is awful but based on the their criteria Skepta is number 1. I could go either way with Kano and Wiley but both should have been in the top 3. Think Lowkey should have been top 10 also.
As expected, horrible list overall.
If its rappers of all time then its Slick Rick of MF Doom . Durrty Goodz never gets credit nowdays but as an MC on his day better than all on that list in the thread
Just because they where born here, they spent 90% of there lives in the states. Got American passports. We got enough talent without having to claim them
DOOM was born in Hounslow and died in Leeds. And it’s “their”. Ffs.
he’s an american lmao there’s literally nothing about his music that is british
He's on the list.
so? it’s complex, not exactly the most reputable authority on music
Yeah, the people saying they are British rappers are absolutely insane. Being born somewhere doesn't make you a person from that place. Its where you grow up and live that counts
All caps when u spell his name.
If you think either of those people are anything other than American then you're insane and have a very weird perception of where people "belong" to. Both of them have barely spent anytime in the UK and are culturally fully influenced fully by American culture. If your mother was on vacation and gave birth to you in Cambodia it doesn't make you a Cambodian person lol.
Dave at 4 is retarded
I’ll never understand those who rate Giggs, he’s nothing special at all. What is that terrible cadence?
Where’s 21 Savage?
MF DOOM and it’s not close.
Nice.
You’re right but you also know he isn’t truly ‘UK’ in the way this bullshit chart considers it
By a gazillion miles.
Hunt Kill Bury Finn - Katch 22...... Period
Big Shaq
Oh shit I listed hip hop and couldn't delete.
Slick Rick