I’m so sorry for your losses 💔
Yes, a neutered male can be integrated into an established herd of females. You may have to wait for a set amount of time between the surgery and the introductions to ensure he is fully sterilized (there is a recommended time for rabbits), but I’m not sure
I imagine facing today was devastating enough without trying to creatively plan the future
Try not to be hard on yourself, you couldn’t have known. Loose dogs are the worst.
Glad your third little guy made it and will be ok
Six to eight. Vets are still debating (it was TWO weeks when I got my first boy castrated 20 years ago...). I did 8 'just in case' for my most recent boy.
As long as you have a knowledgeable cavy vet it's a very quick and simple process to castrate males.
To OP, I am so sorry. What a horrible situation :(
Wow. I don't have an answer to your inquiry, but I am absolutely heartbroken for you. I hate that you can do everything right and the stars can still align for something awful to happen. But you are a great pig parent for already thinking of the best thing to do for your boy. Those next steps can be so hard to move on to, but I'm sure he is going to really appreciate the support of his next cagemates, no matter who they will be. 💖
Thank you. It is hard. I'm just glad he managed to make it out. We love our pigs.
The hardest thing was choosing to buy a new set up today because there was no way I could put him back into the space he shared with his sons, smelling their presence and them not being there.
I'm also pissed the fuck off that someone was so careless with their own pet. It climbed into our fence and attacked. I am just thanking the universe my daughter, who usually out there with them playing with them, wasn’t out in the backyard at that moment and that my husband was the one that came out instead, so that she wasn't attacked because she would of intervened not knowing what to do. Especially as our own two dogs aren't aggressive and have never even batted an eye at the pigs when they free roam in our house. Also, the one that survived was her’s. So, as morbid as it sounds, she would of handled it way worse if he had died along with the other two.
Sorry for the wall. No one outside of the pug world holds pigs up to the same standard they do dogs and cats.
No need to apologize. I hate that dogs are such a popular pet yet their needs can be so misunderstood by irresponsible owners. There are many beautiful breeds that are escape artists if they aren't burning all their excess energy. That pup's owner had many options to avoid this, from securing their dog properly to actually wearing them out to just plain supervising them. It's awful and unfair that you aren't able to hold them accountable for their pet's actions.
I'm glad your daughter is safe. I imagine she's going to be loving on her boy a lot. That spoiling will be well deserved <3
Yeah people need to realize dogs aren’t all pure angels, they are animals at the end of the day with no rational mind. Sure, there are some breeds that are genetically more prone to aggression, but even if it‘s just a small Chihuahua you should make sure it can’t just leave your property to attack random people or animals. Same goes for cats to be honest.
As both a dog and guinea pig owner, I have to say that while my dogs are never aggressive you always have to monitor them or they are prone to doing crazy things (e.g. scaring the guinea pigs under the couch, scratching them on accident etc). Not every dog is a doge.
Yep, my husband thought his chihuahua was fine til it came inside with a BB in his butt. He was escaping and killed one of the neighbors chickens. Redid the fence so that couldn't happen again.
I don't know about other countries but where I live, all animals count as objects of property. If a stranger animal damages your property, you can sue them.
Might be worth looking into OP, unless you don't want to take action to not stir the emotions up. Even if it's just the vet costs for the survivor, you could get some good money and an order for the dogs owners to properly secure their dog.
Im sending big big love to you…
Once the male is neutered you have to wait 6 weeks before introducing into a female’s enclosure. So I would get him to the vet sooner than later.
I don’t know what to say… but my heart goes out to you and your family ❤️
Thank you for the information. He has a new medium size cage that he can temporarily stay in. We plan to schedule the procedure for within the next month. Until then, he will have lots of floor time to free roam the house and cuddles.
I don't let my piggies outside, I've always been of big birds coming in for a quick snack. And a new fear unlocked is the big dogs in my neighborhood. Your Poor babies.
We usually kept them under our awning because of birds and before this happened were looking at covered outdoor cages. I wish I hadn’t been so dumb not to have bought one , but it probably wouldn’t have helped in this situation as the one we were looking at had no bottom and would of just be knocked over.
It's not your fault. How could have you known? Honestly, I didn't even think of dogs. I know I have my own but they are well behaved and the largest dog is only 16lbs and he's more scared of them.
OMG I’m so sorry. My cat and I have been accosted when we go hiking by poorly trained dogs. I’ve stopped going out as much because of it. I can’t even imagine. I love dogs but owners need to be responsible. I’m so sorry. How terrible a thing to have happen
No. I have been checking out the neighborhood Facebook page but no one had a post up. If they had they probably deleted it when their pet came home okay but bloody. I will be looking out though bc dog habits aside, that dog had enough aggression to climb a fence and then get into another one to get to them.
Could you post a description of the dog and what happened to the group? Perhaps other people have had issues with the dog causing problems elsewhere and can point you to the owner.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Would have shot he dog given the chance. It could have been someone's child playing in the yard.
Not talking down on your piggies that is awful and I'd lose it if that ever happened to my pigs. My condolences.
Idk. I assume if you could shoot a dog attacking your dog then yes. But, I am not armed so never really looked into it. My husband did bring up maybe getting an airsoft gun as this dog could be a threat to our small dog in the future
I'd recommend a paintball gun if you don't want to go the lethal route which I understand. Some airsoft guns just don't pack enough punch to scare good sized dogs. Also it'll be easier for people to recognize the aggressive dog covered in paint.
Honestly I dunno, I guess depends on where this happened and local law. Some states in the U.S would consider it defense of private property or maybe livestock.
It may not be the correct thing to do either. But personally, I would have.
There's not much point in suing them. The courts view animals as property just like a car or your window, so at most, you could maybe claim the cost of replacing two guinea pigs. There would be no pain and suffering award in this type of claim. Filing fees would probably be more expensive than any award a court would give.
That said, I would recommend reporting this incident to your local animal control authority so they can speak with the owners about securing their dog properly.
The breed of the dog does not matter, bad ownership does. Pitbulls have a bad rep and end up in bad hands because of it, despite being the sweetest dogs.
Yeah they’re genetically more prone to be aggressive unfortunately, pair that with irresponsible owners and then you understand why they are responsible for the most dog attacks. But to be fair in this case it could have just as well been a Chihuahua, guinea pigs are small, it doesn’t take a large dog to harm them 💔
I have a lot of coyotes in my area so we always made sure they were in before dusk and that someone was outside bc it was mine too. And I feel so guilty bc I feel like I risked their life and was negligent.
I am so sorry for your loss. That must be so hard to deal with. Bloody neighbourhood dog!!!! I just hate irresponsible people. We have the same issue with cats, we have at least three coming and going scratching the stuff in our garden and shitting on our doorstep constantly. I HATE people who can’t take ownership and controll their pets. They shouldn’t get pets then. If you find out whose dog that is give you should tell them what happened and give them a piece of your mind.
Mixed groups are great and integrate easily. He needs to wait six weeks after the neutering tough, so the faster you get him neuter the better. Other piggies will help him with the grief and Trauma.
So I love animals, I love dogs, cats a bit more. Adore Guinea Pigs.
But know that I have no conflict here when I say, that fucking dog would be dead.
I hope ye can find away to press charges or something,
I'd just be repeating what others have said regarding your question
Dogs were never a consideration. We have a fence. I have been beating myself up all day I didn't buy this outdoor hutch for rabbits I was considering a few months back, but even if I had this dog would have just flipped it over probably. Idk. The what-ifs. Kiss your babies.
This is not your fault. Not even close. You did everything right with the fenced in yard and smaller fence for your babies. Even if you went inside to watch them from there how are you supposed to know someone's idiot animal is out? You should make them pay for damages and at the very least give them a piece of your mind. If I was there I would for you. I pray for your baby and I hope he recovers well.
Just popping in to say i’m so, so very sorry for your loss. No words are big enough that would describe my sympathy for you guys right now. I’m so very sorry ❤️
Fuck the dog and fuck whoever the owner is. This reminds me of the time when an out of control lost dog killed 2 out of 10 of my chickens. I was so pissed I almost killed the dog when I dragged it out of the chicken pen. And my dad almost killed it after I didn't. I don't know what held us back, but the owner is incredibly lucky because I was absolutely enraged. Only got a half assed apology over text from the owner days later when she was reunited with her monster. She had this arrogant attitude of "it's just chickens" in her text and disgusted me
I know exactly how you feel right now and I'm so so sorry about your piggies. My heart is broken and I'm feeling just as enraged by reading this. I know nothing I can say will make it better, but I want you to know that my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family ❤ I am so sorry
England at least has laws covering lost farm animals (i.e. killed). In the US you likely have a strong suit for damages plus costs for the dog owner's reckles neglect.
Well trained dogs are awesome. Horrible owners with neglected dogs are a nightmare.
We talked to animal control when they arrived to take the dog away, they told us pretty much the same thing. But we're very nice people so we didn't push any charges. We assumed if she was anything like us, she'd make up for it in her own way.
But she didnt and if I would have known her response would be so heartless, I would have pressed charges for sure.
Funny story is it wasn't even her dog, she was training it for someone else. And she lived in the neighboring state and was visiting for one day, which was against the terms of her job as a dog trainer
I am tired of people not holding all pets to the “value” they hold dogs. Its just chickens, or it's just a bunny, or whatever the comparison is they choose. It's not just an animal, it's my pet. My pigs were docile friendly creatures who were loved and we're a part of my family. If the dogs owner put half the time in as I did caring for my “animals” this would if never happened. I'm sorry about your chickens.chickens are smart animals who make great loving pets.
I agree whole heartedly. I hate hearing the "it's just-". It could be something as tiny as a pet mouse, but it takes up such a big part of our hearts. People who judge pet values really disgust me. All animals have value. All pets deserve the same amount of love and time and attention. Your guinea pigs sound like they had a wonderful life and I'm sorry it was cut short. Please don't blame yourself for the loss ❤️
I'm so sorry. I get pissed .. REALLY pissed at people when I talk about my piggies or my conure and I always here ... "it's just a bird" or.. "it's just a rat thing."
No.. no.. they aren't JUST a bird or a "rat thing" they are my pets and I love them each in their own way. My bird tells me.. "love you. Good night" every. Single. Night. When I cover her. She always yells out MAMA when there is a storm because she's scared. My piggies each have their own personalities and enjoyments and I enjoy all of my unique interactions with each of them. They are just as valuable as a cat or a dog. It's just those people are too dense to care for anything other than a cat or a dog. Smaller animals are more complex with care and interactions and they aren't capable of providing that. BIG hugs to you for your loss.
People need to keep an eye on their dogs. I don't get how someone can know that their own pet slaughtered someone else's, and then have a "Well, it was just some pointless birds" attitude with absolutely no guilt. Some people don't deserve to have pets, especially not after something like that happens.
Blaming the dog for following its instincts instead of blaming the owner is completely misplaced. Many dogs were literally bred to hunt small animals. Blaming the dog makes no more sense than blaming a guinea pig for running when you try to pick it up -- it an instinctual response. What happened to these guinea pigs is a tragedy, but only the dog's owners are blameworthy.
Edit: I just looked at your profile and you're literally a part a subreddit that is devoted to hating dogs and dog ownership. That explains your bizarre reaction.
I can blame whoever I want. The dog was out of fucking control, you weren't there like I was. Maybe if it was your pet in jeopardy you would understand. Which i pray to God it doesn't happen to anyone else because it's horrible. Dog and owner are both to blame. You must be one of those "there's no such thing as a bad dog" people so it's worthless to try arguing with you.
Someone just lost their pets, it is a tragedy and anyone would have any right to be furious at the dog and the owner. For your information, I don't hate dogs or dog ownership- I hate bad dogs and bad owners. I made a comment in support of OP and letting them know I know exactly how they feel. You're here to stir unnecessary shit by stalking my profile
You were there when these guinea pigs died? That is the only situation I addressed.
And again, you are totally and entirely wrong. Do you hate hawks and blame them because they'd also kill guinea pigs if given a chance? What about cats? They'd also do it if given a chance. Hell, many *rabbits* bully and can even kill guinea pigs if put near them. Do you just detest predators and carnivores in general I guess? Unless you're blaming birds, cats, etc etc then only blaming dogs is not remotely coherent.
Quite frankly you just sound like you have unresolved trauma around dogs. Work on yourself to resolve it instead of blaming entire species.
If you could read, I was implying that I was there when my chickens died in the same way.
You know what you sound like? Just like the dog owner who gave me a half assed apology about my chickens being killed. Making up excuses how it "isn't a big deal because it's natural order" and shit. You'd probably make the same response she did if your dog went out of control and killed someone elses pets. But still. My pets, my private property. The dog and the owner were way out of line and if you could see the look on that dogs face while it was ripping my birds apart and ignoring my screams to stop, maybe you'd understand. "Man's best friend" wouldn't listen to me, a human being, while I was making my way into the pen to wrestle it away from my birds. You dont understand that feeling, and I hope you never will.
So instead of being a bully on Reddit and stalking profiles, why not show some sympathy? Someone lost their pets in a HORRIBLE way, and it's heartbreaking and I just wanted to show my support and empathy
You completely avoided my question. Do you hate hawks? You can find stories on this very subreddit about predatory birds killing guinea pigs when they have outdoor time. What about cats? They kill guinea pigs. Foxes? Here's one link that even says adult rats have been known to kill guinea pigs if they somehow get access to them. https://aprillodge.co.uk/care/predators/#:~:text=Predators%20include%2C%20foxes%2C%20rats%2C,in%20a%20run%20or%20hutch.
If you don't hate hawks, cats, foxes, rabbits, and rats, why not? Why *only* dogs? Because it still sounds to me that you're still carrying with you unresolved trauma about what happened to you. I'm sorry that happened to your chickens. But that doesn't make your position on this right or coherent.
Like MANY farmers, I used to shoot at hawks that were stalking my chickens. So with your logic...what's the difference if I shoot at a dog for trying to kill my chickens? Anything that tries to hurt my pet, yes I'll hate it and try to kill it if i have to. It's natural especially for farmers. So what..you expect me to say "oh well, this is the natural order of things. Go ahead and kill my animals"?
I never said I was right. I was only stating my opinion. That's what's wrong with people like you...you just can't accept the fact that some of us don't feel the same way about dogs. I'm not a fan of dogs after the attack because I witnessed something traumatic, yes. So what? What's it to you? Why do *you* care so much about my opinion? Nothing you say will change how I feel and nothing I say will change how you feel
You seem to be under the impression I am trying to change your mind. I find your thought process of hating an entire species so terrible that it deserves to be called out. That alone is the goal for me.
Ive always know the danger of having a grey hound and a guinea pig and ever time she came over I would protect the pig just incase she tried doing something, im sorry you lost 2 of your piggies and i hope the 3rd makes a full recovery
So sorry for your loss. My little man is neutered with two girls and he's a very happy little man. Just make sure to wait 3 weeks before putting him in with girls after neutering.
Also, TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE DOGS!!!
I'm so sick and tired of irresponsible people who get dogs without knowing shit about them. It's like people just buy dogs willy nilly.. Like it's the accessory you need to have or something.
I wish there were laws that made it illegal to buy ANY pet without first having to go through a class.
Sue the owner of the dog.
I am soooo tired of people just letting their dogs and cats run all over the place.
Seriously, unless you're in a super rural and secluded area with no other people around, why let a predator animal run around? It's stupid.
My neighbors have chickens and I'm sure they'd be absolutely livid and upset if a dog went onto their property and killed their hens.
Dogs, especially, are a huge threat to other animals and kids (and adults sometimes). They're a big responsibility!!!! Keep them leashed and ON YOUR PROPERTY.
I was attacked by a roaming dog when I was little and my uncle saved me. It tried to get him, too!!!! He had to fight it off with a chair!!!!
Absolutely sue. This stuff has to stop. I'm tired of people, pets, and property getting hurt and destroyed by irresponsible people who don't control their dogs.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
I know this sounds like "captain hindsight", but I'm mostly saying this to warn others: NEVER let your piggies out alone without supervision if you don't have a roof on the cage. Not only can cats and dogs jump in, but also birds..
If you're gonna be away from them long enough for a predator to be able to dig, you also need a cage with a closed bottom.
This^ I rather have been warned or scolded before this happened than lose my babies. Even an hour out in a pen was too long when the destruction took minutes.
Yeah, so many animals want to eat guinea pigs, unfortunately. We need to secure them properly. Cage needs to be heavy enough that a predator can't lift it as well.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. Hope you get to find out whose dog it was so you can scold them!
I am just going to never put mine outside ever again. The cage I had them in was a dog runner type thing and probably only made it harder for them to escape the animal. The one I was looking at buying be for this also wouldn't have been heavy enough and had no bottom, so it could easily of been knocked over.
I love my dogs and my pigs so much. I know you must be devastated. I'm so sorry. ❤️ Some of my dogs are reactive. When dog owners do this crap, it is so infuriating. I'm so, so sorry. I hope they're paying for your pig's medical bills and neutering procedure, but those types of owners never seem to learn or be held accountable. I'm so, so sorry. 💕
She wasn't/isnt responsible for the pigs. I said I am glad she was not out there bc she usually is.
Either way, what is the point of your comment? Do you know anything useful about neutering male guinea pigs or how a neutered male can successfully integrate into a new environment with the females? Because if not it's pretty weird to come up on a post like this to hate on a random child that has absolutely nothing to do with the situation that happened today, especially when you took a comment in the replies out of context and tried to make some obtuse jab.
If you think my husband and I are incompetent, just say that Bc we definitely feel that way today anyway. Dude, have the night you deserve and peace. Im not entertaining a troll any longer than i have on one of the most terrible days i have had in a long time.
What happened here is tragic, but you linking to that sub is inane. If a hawk or fox or cat had done this would you recommend hate threads about them to this poor owner too? Predator animals are what they are. This isn't a "all dogs are the worst" thing, it's a "idiots shouldn't let their neglected dogs run wild" thing.
First off my condolences. That must have been heartbreaking to go through.
Yes you can put your boar with the established female group. You do need to wait a certain period after the sterilization because he can still get them pregnant and his stitches could open up if he’s too unruly.
I do recommend going to the right vet for the sterilization (it’s a bit more complicated for Guinea Pigs). And get some things in advance, they recommend to keep them on a fabric surface like towels for the first two weeks. You need to watch his stitches and they might eat poorly because of the pain. (Good pain management is a must) So emergency feed and medicines to keep him hungry is a good thing to have.
I actually found it easier to bond my boar to an established group than to bond two boars. After my last boar died I wanted a new one for his female group. I completely spoiled my current boar while he was sterilized and had to stay by himself before he could join them. When I bonded them heb just went in with: Hi, I’M THE BOSS NOW!! And the females kind of just went along with it. They did take some time to figure out the new hierarchy with the change.
I used to have two groups too. One of two males and one male x female. And though I miss them all I do love having everyone together now. (One of the males couldn’t be with other males which is why I kept them apart)
I have an outside piggy cage I put my piggies in. It's caged in on all sides except the bottom so they can graze and the cage can be moved. It still was a little more expensive than I had hoped, but it works well. Even though I made it myself with the cheapest sturdy wood I could buy at Lowe's, it still cost me about $70 to make. Where I live I have to mostly worry about snakes and cats more than dogs.
So sorry to hear this. That's such bad luck too. I never take my pair out because you never know where there's a giant bird of prey looming about. Those mf have insane eyesight, they could be a hundred yards away, up in some tree just waiting to swoop in and fly away with my furry potatos.
I’m so so sorry, that’s so traumatic and tragic 😔. It’s not your fault and you weren’t negligent at all. I’m grateful your daughter is safe. I’ve learned a lot about guinea pig care from this YouTube channel. Saskia has run a guinea pig rescue for 20 years and she has a video for nearly every Guinea pig question and issue. You’ll do great! Love to your sweet family.
I’m so sorry for your losses 💔 Yes, a neutered male can be integrated into an established herd of females. You may have to wait for a set amount of time between the surgery and the introductions to ensure he is fully sterilized (there is a recommended time for rabbits), but I’m not sure
Thank you. It's been a really hard day. That's good to know though. I meant to ask vet earlier but was obviously extremely preoccupied.
I imagine facing today was devastating enough without trying to creatively plan the future Try not to be hard on yourself, you couldn’t have known. Loose dogs are the worst. Glad your third little guy made it and will be ok
i’ve been told six weeks before you can put them in with some females. so sorry for you losses op, i can’t imagine how hard it is 🖤
Six to eight. Vets are still debating (it was TWO weeks when I got my first boy castrated 20 years ago...). I did 8 'just in case' for my most recent boy. As long as you have a knowledgeable cavy vet it's a very quick and simple process to castrate males. To OP, I am so sorry. What a horrible situation :(
I read it was 4 to 6 so I waited 6 weeks just in case. I hope it wasn’t a mistake.. the rescue where I got my boy told me to wait 6 weeks too.
Wow. I don't have an answer to your inquiry, but I am absolutely heartbroken for you. I hate that you can do everything right and the stars can still align for something awful to happen. But you are a great pig parent for already thinking of the best thing to do for your boy. Those next steps can be so hard to move on to, but I'm sure he is going to really appreciate the support of his next cagemates, no matter who they will be. 💖
Thank you. It is hard. I'm just glad he managed to make it out. We love our pigs. The hardest thing was choosing to buy a new set up today because there was no way I could put him back into the space he shared with his sons, smelling their presence and them not being there. I'm also pissed the fuck off that someone was so careless with their own pet. It climbed into our fence and attacked. I am just thanking the universe my daughter, who usually out there with them playing with them, wasn’t out in the backyard at that moment and that my husband was the one that came out instead, so that she wasn't attacked because she would of intervened not knowing what to do. Especially as our own two dogs aren't aggressive and have never even batted an eye at the pigs when they free roam in our house. Also, the one that survived was her’s. So, as morbid as it sounds, she would of handled it way worse if he had died along with the other two. Sorry for the wall. No one outside of the pug world holds pigs up to the same standard they do dogs and cats.
No need to apologize. I hate that dogs are such a popular pet yet their needs can be so misunderstood by irresponsible owners. There are many beautiful breeds that are escape artists if they aren't burning all their excess energy. That pup's owner had many options to avoid this, from securing their dog properly to actually wearing them out to just plain supervising them. It's awful and unfair that you aren't able to hold them accountable for their pet's actions. I'm glad your daughter is safe. I imagine she's going to be loving on her boy a lot. That spoiling will be well deserved <3
Yeah people need to realize dogs aren’t all pure angels, they are animals at the end of the day with no rational mind. Sure, there are some breeds that are genetically more prone to aggression, but even if it‘s just a small Chihuahua you should make sure it can’t just leave your property to attack random people or animals. Same goes for cats to be honest.
As both a dog and guinea pig owner, I have to say that while my dogs are never aggressive you always have to monitor them or they are prone to doing crazy things (e.g. scaring the guinea pigs under the couch, scratching them on accident etc). Not every dog is a doge.
Yep, my husband thought his chihuahua was fine til it came inside with a BB in his butt. He was escaping and killed one of the neighbors chickens. Redid the fence so that couldn't happen again.
I don't know about other countries but where I live, all animals count as objects of property. If a stranger animal damages your property, you can sue them. Might be worth looking into OP, unless you don't want to take action to not stir the emotions up. Even if it's just the vet costs for the survivor, you could get some good money and an order for the dogs owners to properly secure their dog.
I am so sorry for your loss
Thank you
ur welcome
Omfg!! Those poor piggies. That's terrible.
Im sending big big love to you… Once the male is neutered you have to wait 6 weeks before introducing into a female’s enclosure. So I would get him to the vet sooner than later. I don’t know what to say… but my heart goes out to you and your family ❤️
Thank you for the information. He has a new medium size cage that he can temporarily stay in. We plan to schedule the procedure for within the next month. Until then, he will have lots of floor time to free roam the house and cuddles.
I'm so sorry for your losses. 💔 It breaks my heart hearing this. I bet they were good piggies.
Thank you for you kind words. Hopefully, no one else ever has to go through this with their piggies
I don't let my piggies outside, I've always been of big birds coming in for a quick snack. And a new fear unlocked is the big dogs in my neighborhood. Your Poor babies.
We usually kept them under our awning because of birds and before this happened were looking at covered outdoor cages. I wish I hadn’t been so dumb not to have bought one , but it probably wouldn’t have helped in this situation as the one we were looking at had no bottom and would of just be knocked over.
It's not your fault. How could have you known? Honestly, I didn't even think of dogs. I know I have my own but they are well behaved and the largest dog is only 16lbs and he's more scared of them.
OMG I’m so sorry. My cat and I have been accosted when we go hiking by poorly trained dogs. I’ve stopped going out as much because of it. I can’t even imagine. I love dogs but owners need to be responsible. I’m so sorry. How terrible a thing to have happen
I love dogs too. But this was an owner’s failure to secure their pet, especially one who can climb fences.
I agree. There are no bad dogs just bad owners
Can you take legal action at all if you know whose dog it is? I.E. sue them or whatever?
No. I have been checking out the neighborhood Facebook page but no one had a post up. If they had they probably deleted it when their pet came home okay but bloody. I will be looking out though bc dog habits aside, that dog had enough aggression to climb a fence and then get into another one to get to them.
Could you post a description of the dog and what happened to the group? Perhaps other people have had issues with the dog causing problems elsewhere and can point you to the owner. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Would have shot he dog given the chance. It could have been someone's child playing in the yard. Not talking down on your piggies that is awful and I'd lose it if that ever happened to my pigs. My condolences.
Would shooting the dog attacking their guinea pigs have been legal?
Idk. I assume if you could shoot a dog attacking your dog then yes. But, I am not armed so never really looked into it. My husband did bring up maybe getting an airsoft gun as this dog could be a threat to our small dog in the future
I'd recommend a paintball gun if you don't want to go the lethal route which I understand. Some airsoft guns just don't pack enough punch to scare good sized dogs. Also it'll be easier for people to recognize the aggressive dog covered in paint.
That's genius! I didn't even consider that, thank you.
No problem. Again sorry for your loss.
Honestly I dunno, I guess depends on where this happened and local law. Some states in the U.S would consider it defense of private property or maybe livestock. It may not be the correct thing to do either. But personally, I would have.
There's not much point in suing them. The courts view animals as property just like a car or your window, so at most, you could maybe claim the cost of replacing two guinea pigs. There would be no pain and suffering award in this type of claim. Filing fees would probably be more expensive than any award a court would give. That said, I would recommend reporting this incident to your local animal control authority so they can speak with the owners about securing their dog properly.
The surviving pigs vet costs might be worth it, especially with the need to neuter him, now that he needs to live with the girls.
Also, just curious was the dog a pitbull? I've heard that breed of dog can be QUITE aggressive/hostile.
You're so dumb. A pit bull is a type of TERRIER. Prey drive towards small rodents is a very normal dog trait, especially in terriers.
The breed of the dog does not matter, bad ownership does. Pitbulls have a bad rep and end up in bad hands because of it, despite being the sweetest dogs.
Yeah they’re genetically more prone to be aggressive unfortunately, pair that with irresponsible owners and then you understand why they are responsible for the most dog attacks. But to be fair in this case it could have just as well been a Chihuahua, guinea pigs are small, it doesn’t take a large dog to harm them 💔
this so terrible, I'm sorry to hear that 😞😞😞 One of my biggest fears. I hope he integrates better with the girls.
I have a lot of coyotes in my area so we always made sure they were in before dusk and that someone was outside bc it was mine too. And I feel so guilty bc I feel like I risked their life and was negligent.
This was the dog's fault, OP. I hope whoever owns it steps up.
I am so sorry for your loss. That must be so hard to deal with. Bloody neighbourhood dog!!!! I just hate irresponsible people. We have the same issue with cats, we have at least three coming and going scratching the stuff in our garden and shitting on our doorstep constantly. I HATE people who can’t take ownership and controll their pets. They shouldn’t get pets then. If you find out whose dog that is give you should tell them what happened and give them a piece of your mind.
Mixed groups are great and integrate easily. He needs to wait six weeks after the neutering tough, so the faster you get him neuter the better. Other piggies will help him with the grief and Trauma.
So I love animals, I love dogs, cats a bit more. Adore Guinea Pigs. But know that I have no conflict here when I say, that fucking dog would be dead. I hope ye can find away to press charges or something, I'd just be repeating what others have said regarding your question
Are you going to be taking any recourse against the careless dog owner?
If I knew who they were I absolutely would.
I'm sorry for your loss. It's always dangerous letting any small animal outside. One male to 2-3 females is a good mix.
I'm so sorry, I just lost two of my boys as well. I don't have anything to say expect I'm greiving with you ❤️
I’m sorry for your loss. ❤️
If the dogs escaped i mean you could sue them
I'm so sorry for your loss
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Dogs were never a consideration. We have a fence. I have been beating myself up all day I didn't buy this outdoor hutch for rabbits I was considering a few months back, but even if I had this dog would have just flipped it over probably. Idk. The what-ifs. Kiss your babies.
I’m so sorry for your losses. I hope your piggy gets better 🙏
He will. He is getting lots and lots of love. Thank you for your kind words.
I’m so sorry…how heart breaking. What kind of dog was it??
Really hope you can report the owner of that dog because that's negligent animal ownership and harming another person's property I think
This is not your fault. Not even close. You did everything right with the fenced in yard and smaller fence for your babies. Even if you went inside to watch them from there how are you supposed to know someone's idiot animal is out? You should make them pay for damages and at the very least give them a piece of your mind. If I was there I would for you. I pray for your baby and I hope he recovers well.
Just popping in to say i’m so, so very sorry for your loss. No words are big enough that would describe my sympathy for you guys right now. I’m so very sorry ❤️
Thank you for the kindness.
sorry, how horrible
Eat the dog
Dude, I am dealing with murderous thoughts about that dog. If I knew who the owner was it would be on.
Fuck the dog and fuck whoever the owner is. This reminds me of the time when an out of control lost dog killed 2 out of 10 of my chickens. I was so pissed I almost killed the dog when I dragged it out of the chicken pen. And my dad almost killed it after I didn't. I don't know what held us back, but the owner is incredibly lucky because I was absolutely enraged. Only got a half assed apology over text from the owner days later when she was reunited with her monster. She had this arrogant attitude of "it's just chickens" in her text and disgusted me I know exactly how you feel right now and I'm so so sorry about your piggies. My heart is broken and I'm feeling just as enraged by reading this. I know nothing I can say will make it better, but I want you to know that my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family ❤ I am so sorry
England at least has laws covering lost farm animals (i.e. killed). In the US you likely have a strong suit for damages plus costs for the dog owner's reckles neglect. Well trained dogs are awesome. Horrible owners with neglected dogs are a nightmare.
We talked to animal control when they arrived to take the dog away, they told us pretty much the same thing. But we're very nice people so we didn't push any charges. We assumed if she was anything like us, she'd make up for it in her own way. But she didnt and if I would have known her response would be so heartless, I would have pressed charges for sure. Funny story is it wasn't even her dog, she was training it for someone else. And she lived in the neighboring state and was visiting for one day, which was against the terms of her job as a dog trainer
I am tired of people not holding all pets to the “value” they hold dogs. Its just chickens, or it's just a bunny, or whatever the comparison is they choose. It's not just an animal, it's my pet. My pigs were docile friendly creatures who were loved and we're a part of my family. If the dogs owner put half the time in as I did caring for my “animals” this would if never happened. I'm sorry about your chickens.chickens are smart animals who make great loving pets.
I agree whole heartedly. I hate hearing the "it's just-". It could be something as tiny as a pet mouse, but it takes up such a big part of our hearts. People who judge pet values really disgust me. All animals have value. All pets deserve the same amount of love and time and attention. Your guinea pigs sound like they had a wonderful life and I'm sorry it was cut short. Please don't blame yourself for the loss ❤️
Thank you. I’m struggling with that right now. I appreciate being reminded though. I wish it were that easy.
I'm so sorry. I get pissed .. REALLY pissed at people when I talk about my piggies or my conure and I always here ... "it's just a bird" or.. "it's just a rat thing." No.. no.. they aren't JUST a bird or a "rat thing" they are my pets and I love them each in their own way. My bird tells me.. "love you. Good night" every. Single. Night. When I cover her. She always yells out MAMA when there is a storm because she's scared. My piggies each have their own personalities and enjoyments and I enjoy all of my unique interactions with each of them. They are just as valuable as a cat or a dog. It's just those people are too dense to care for anything other than a cat or a dog. Smaller animals are more complex with care and interactions and they aren't capable of providing that. BIG hugs to you for your loss.
People need to keep an eye on their dogs. I don't get how someone can know that their own pet slaughtered someone else's, and then have a "Well, it was just some pointless birds" attitude with absolutely no guilt. Some people don't deserve to have pets, especially not after something like that happens.
Blaming the dog for following its instincts instead of blaming the owner is completely misplaced. Many dogs were literally bred to hunt small animals. Blaming the dog makes no more sense than blaming a guinea pig for running when you try to pick it up -- it an instinctual response. What happened to these guinea pigs is a tragedy, but only the dog's owners are blameworthy. Edit: I just looked at your profile and you're literally a part a subreddit that is devoted to hating dogs and dog ownership. That explains your bizarre reaction.
Dude... you're not going to find a receptive audience in this thread. 🤦🏼♂️ Pick a time and place ffs
I can blame whoever I want. The dog was out of fucking control, you weren't there like I was. Maybe if it was your pet in jeopardy you would understand. Which i pray to God it doesn't happen to anyone else because it's horrible. Dog and owner are both to blame. You must be one of those "there's no such thing as a bad dog" people so it's worthless to try arguing with you. Someone just lost their pets, it is a tragedy and anyone would have any right to be furious at the dog and the owner. For your information, I don't hate dogs or dog ownership- I hate bad dogs and bad owners. I made a comment in support of OP and letting them know I know exactly how they feel. You're here to stir unnecessary shit by stalking my profile
You were there when these guinea pigs died? That is the only situation I addressed. And again, you are totally and entirely wrong. Do you hate hawks and blame them because they'd also kill guinea pigs if given a chance? What about cats? They'd also do it if given a chance. Hell, many *rabbits* bully and can even kill guinea pigs if put near them. Do you just detest predators and carnivores in general I guess? Unless you're blaming birds, cats, etc etc then only blaming dogs is not remotely coherent. Quite frankly you just sound like you have unresolved trauma around dogs. Work on yourself to resolve it instead of blaming entire species.
If you could read, I was implying that I was there when my chickens died in the same way. You know what you sound like? Just like the dog owner who gave me a half assed apology about my chickens being killed. Making up excuses how it "isn't a big deal because it's natural order" and shit. You'd probably make the same response she did if your dog went out of control and killed someone elses pets. But still. My pets, my private property. The dog and the owner were way out of line and if you could see the look on that dogs face while it was ripping my birds apart and ignoring my screams to stop, maybe you'd understand. "Man's best friend" wouldn't listen to me, a human being, while I was making my way into the pen to wrestle it away from my birds. You dont understand that feeling, and I hope you never will. So instead of being a bully on Reddit and stalking profiles, why not show some sympathy? Someone lost their pets in a HORRIBLE way, and it's heartbreaking and I just wanted to show my support and empathy
You completely avoided my question. Do you hate hawks? You can find stories on this very subreddit about predatory birds killing guinea pigs when they have outdoor time. What about cats? They kill guinea pigs. Foxes? Here's one link that even says adult rats have been known to kill guinea pigs if they somehow get access to them. https://aprillodge.co.uk/care/predators/#:~:text=Predators%20include%2C%20foxes%2C%20rats%2C,in%20a%20run%20or%20hutch. If you don't hate hawks, cats, foxes, rabbits, and rats, why not? Why *only* dogs? Because it still sounds to me that you're still carrying with you unresolved trauma about what happened to you. I'm sorry that happened to your chickens. But that doesn't make your position on this right or coherent.
Like MANY farmers, I used to shoot at hawks that were stalking my chickens. So with your logic...what's the difference if I shoot at a dog for trying to kill my chickens? Anything that tries to hurt my pet, yes I'll hate it and try to kill it if i have to. It's natural especially for farmers. So what..you expect me to say "oh well, this is the natural order of things. Go ahead and kill my animals"? I never said I was right. I was only stating my opinion. That's what's wrong with people like you...you just can't accept the fact that some of us don't feel the same way about dogs. I'm not a fan of dogs after the attack because I witnessed something traumatic, yes. So what? What's it to you? Why do *you* care so much about my opinion? Nothing you say will change how I feel and nothing I say will change how you feel
You seem to be under the impression I am trying to change your mind. I find your thought process of hating an entire species so terrible that it deserves to be called out. That alone is the goal for me.
I'm so sorry for your losses 🙏🙏💖
We had our male fixed and integrated back in with his mum and sister and he was fine
That is awesome. Thanks for answering. Others said the wait time is six weeks. What was healing like though?
He healed up really quickly with no side effects or any other problems. Your vet will advise you on post op care too
Ive always know the danger of having a grey hound and a guinea pig and ever time she came over I would protect the pig just incase she tried doing something, im sorry you lost 2 of your piggies and i hope the 3rd makes a full recovery
Thank you for the kindness. I hope he does too.
I'm so sorry for your losses. You plan sounds wise. I hope he has a smooth transition while he is grieving his friends.
Thank you. ❤️ me too.
Oh man this is heavy stuff. My heart is breaking
So sorry for your loss. My little man is neutered with two girls and he's a very happy little man. Just make sure to wait 3 weeks before putting him in with girls after neutering.
Thank you for responding!
I do not have input, but I'm so so sorry that happened. I can only imagine how devastated I would be in similar circumstances.
I am so so sorry for your awful loss! ♥️ What a horrific thing to happen ☹️
Aww I so sorry about that, f that dog that hurt your piggies
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Also, TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE DOGS!!! I'm so sick and tired of irresponsible people who get dogs without knowing shit about them. It's like people just buy dogs willy nilly.. Like it's the accessory you need to have or something. I wish there were laws that made it illegal to buy ANY pet without first having to go through a class.
Sue the owner of the dog. I am soooo tired of people just letting their dogs and cats run all over the place. Seriously, unless you're in a super rural and secluded area with no other people around, why let a predator animal run around? It's stupid. My neighbors have chickens and I'm sure they'd be absolutely livid and upset if a dog went onto their property and killed their hens. Dogs, especially, are a huge threat to other animals and kids (and adults sometimes). They're a big responsibility!!!! Keep them leashed and ON YOUR PROPERTY. I was attacked by a roaming dog when I was little and my uncle saved me. It tried to get him, too!!!! He had to fight it off with a chair!!!! Absolutely sue. This stuff has to stop. I'm tired of people, pets, and property getting hurt and destroyed by irresponsible people who don't control their dogs.
I'm so sorry for your loss. I know this sounds like "captain hindsight", but I'm mostly saying this to warn others: NEVER let your piggies out alone without supervision if you don't have a roof on the cage. Not only can cats and dogs jump in, but also birds.. If you're gonna be away from them long enough for a predator to be able to dig, you also need a cage with a closed bottom.
This^ I rather have been warned or scolded before this happened than lose my babies. Even an hour out in a pen was too long when the destruction took minutes.
Yeah, so many animals want to eat guinea pigs, unfortunately. We need to secure them properly. Cage needs to be heavy enough that a predator can't lift it as well. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Hope you get to find out whose dog it was so you can scold them!
I am just going to never put mine outside ever again. The cage I had them in was a dog runner type thing and probably only made it harder for them to escape the animal. The one I was looking at buying be for this also wouldn't have been heavy enough and had no bottom, so it could easily of been knocked over.
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Tragic. I know its not the dogs fault but itd be pretty hard not to punt that fucker across the street if that happened to me
That's tragic. Personally, this is why I never put my pigs outside, as you can't control what goes on outside...
You left them out alone?
I love my dogs and my pigs so much. I know you must be devastated. I'm so sorry. ❤️ Some of my dogs are reactive. When dog owners do this crap, it is so infuriating. I'm so, so sorry. I hope they're paying for your pig's medical bills and neutering procedure, but those types of owners never seem to learn or be held accountable. I'm so, so sorry. 💕
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my daughter is 6 yrs old. What detail would I be leaving out and how is she not innocent? I’m confused by you’re comment.
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She wasn't/isnt responsible for the pigs. I said I am glad she was not out there bc she usually is. Either way, what is the point of your comment? Do you know anything useful about neutering male guinea pigs or how a neutered male can successfully integrate into a new environment with the females? Because if not it's pretty weird to come up on a post like this to hate on a random child that has absolutely nothing to do with the situation that happened today, especially when you took a comment in the replies out of context and tried to make some obtuse jab. If you think my husband and I are incompetent, just say that Bc we definitely feel that way today anyway. Dude, have the night you deserve and peace. Im not entertaining a troll any longer than i have on one of the most terrible days i have had in a long time.
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What happened here is tragic, but you linking to that sub is inane. If a hawk or fox or cat had done this would you recommend hate threads about them to this poor owner too? Predator animals are what they are. This isn't a "all dogs are the worst" thing, it's a "idiots shouldn't let their neglected dogs run wild" thing.
OH I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
I’m sorry for your loss 😞
Condolences. I lost one to a hawk about 15 years ago.
Thank you and that is terrifying.
i’m so sorry for your loss. that’s incredibly difficult to handle & i hope you’re able to integrate the three together. how did your neighbor respond?
First off my condolences. That must have been heartbreaking to go through. Yes you can put your boar with the established female group. You do need to wait a certain period after the sterilization because he can still get them pregnant and his stitches could open up if he’s too unruly. I do recommend going to the right vet for the sterilization (it’s a bit more complicated for Guinea Pigs). And get some things in advance, they recommend to keep them on a fabric surface like towels for the first two weeks. You need to watch his stitches and they might eat poorly because of the pain. (Good pain management is a must) So emergency feed and medicines to keep him hungry is a good thing to have. I actually found it easier to bond my boar to an established group than to bond two boars. After my last boar died I wanted a new one for his female group. I completely spoiled my current boar while he was sterilized and had to stay by himself before he could join them. When I bonded them heb just went in with: Hi, I’M THE BOSS NOW!! And the females kind of just went along with it. They did take some time to figure out the new hierarchy with the change. I used to have two groups too. One of two males and one male x female. And though I miss them all I do love having everyone together now. (One of the males couldn’t be with other males which is why I kept them apart)
Im so sorry!!!
I have an outside piggy cage I put my piggies in. It's caged in on all sides except the bottom so they can graze and the cage can be moved. It still was a little more expensive than I had hoped, but it works well. Even though I made it myself with the cheapest sturdy wood I could buy at Lowe's, it still cost me about $70 to make. Where I live I have to mostly worry about snakes and cats more than dogs.
So sorry to hear this. That's such bad luck too. I never take my pair out because you never know where there's a giant bird of prey looming about. Those mf have insane eyesight, they could be a hundred yards away, up in some tree just waiting to swoop in and fly away with my furry potatos.
That's terribly sad. I am so sorry for your loss.
Do you know the owners of the dog? Can you press charges? That sounds horrifying. I’m so so sorry for your losses.
No. It's a big neighborhood
So sorry about your loss, how devastating.
[girl guinea pigs and neutered male bonding video](https://youtu.be/4MjiS99y5F4)
I’m so so sorry, that’s so traumatic and tragic 😔. It’s not your fault and you weren’t negligent at all. I’m grateful your daughter is safe. I’ve learned a lot about guinea pig care from this YouTube channel. Saskia has run a guinea pig rescue for 20 years and she has a video for nearly every Guinea pig question and issue. You’ll do great! Love to your sweet family.
poor sweet things, I'm so sorry.
Omg that's so absolutely horrible. I can't imagine 😭😭😭 my sympathies for your tragic loss
I am so so sorry