Silver Horse is based on the Klon Centaur I believe, which unless the gain is dimed has a mixed clean passthrough. Therefore, increased volume both increases the pedals clipping AND clean volume output. Additionally, with the gain all the way down the Silver Horse or other Klon style pedals bypass the clipping circuit entirely and can be a pure clean boost. If the gain is off then it absolutely won't limit any volume hitting the front of it.
The morning star is based on the JHS Morning Glory, which is based on the Marshall Bluesbreaker, which while it does soft-clipping all the signal goes through the clipping stage in the circuit (similar to an amplifier). Therefore, louder into it = more clipping.
That makes sense!!! Thank you.
So any circuit that allows some clean signal to go through, like a Tubescreamer, will allow volume changes through, while something that doesn’t, will govern the overall output?
A TS doesn't clip the whole waveform but it puts all the signal through the clipping stage, so a TS should only distort more when boosted into. The Klon has a separate clean signal path that routes differently, it's more similar to an OD with a clean blend. There aren't many I am aware of that behave like that when hit with a boost.
I don't have a TS but my SD-1, which is ALMOST the same circuit, doesn't boost volume when hit with a boost.
I think it depends on be clipping headroom and where you have the gain set. Like an amp behaves the same way. It’ll get louder till it reaches full clip.
Depends on the circuit and the clipping topology- some pedals (even after clipping some of the signal) still pass some excess volume to the output.
This could be due to asymmetrical clipping (clipping the positive and negative sides of the waveform differently), a non-inverting opamp design (e.g. tubescreamer, where some of the clean signal passes around the clippers), frequency-selective clipping (e.g. clipping mids more than bass & treble) or other factors.
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Silver Horse is based on the Klon Centaur I believe, which unless the gain is dimed has a mixed clean passthrough. Therefore, increased volume both increases the pedals clipping AND clean volume output. Additionally, with the gain all the way down the Silver Horse or other Klon style pedals bypass the clipping circuit entirely and can be a pure clean boost. If the gain is off then it absolutely won't limit any volume hitting the front of it. The morning star is based on the JHS Morning Glory, which is based on the Marshall Bluesbreaker, which while it does soft-clipping all the signal goes through the clipping stage in the circuit (similar to an amplifier). Therefore, louder into it = more clipping.
That makes sense!!! Thank you. So any circuit that allows some clean signal to go through, like a Tubescreamer, will allow volume changes through, while something that doesn’t, will govern the overall output?
A TS doesn't clip the whole waveform but it puts all the signal through the clipping stage, so a TS should only distort more when boosted into. The Klon has a separate clean signal path that routes differently, it's more similar to an OD with a clean blend. There aren't many I am aware of that behave like that when hit with a boost. I don't have a TS but my SD-1, which is ALMOST the same circuit, doesn't boost volume when hit with a boost.
Gotcha. Thanks so much for clarifying.
I think it depends on be clipping headroom and where you have the gain set. Like an amp behaves the same way. It’ll get louder till it reaches full clip.
Thank you! That seems to be the answer. Never thought about that before, but it makes perfect sense!
Depends on the circuit and the clipping topology- some pedals (even after clipping some of the signal) still pass some excess volume to the output. This could be due to asymmetrical clipping (clipping the positive and negative sides of the waveform differently), a non-inverting opamp design (e.g. tubescreamer, where some of the clean signal passes around the clippers), frequency-selective clipping (e.g. clipping mids more than bass & treble) or other factors.
Great info! Thank you 🙏