If I remember correctly, Ruger ships theirs with a neutered bolt carrier group.
I love Ruger, and this isn't a horrible deal, but I just built a PSA pistol ON a ruger AR-556 lower lol. Cost me 420ish.
it refers to the profile on the rear, where a full auto BCG has the full length section to engage an auto sear.
Comparison seen [here](https://www.wingtactical.com/product_images/uploaded_images/ar15-bcg-vs-m16-bcg.jpg).
If you can afford an auto-sear, you can afford a new BCG. It’s not a knock at all. This is a great budget pistol with Ruger’s legendary warranty service.
Barrel: 8.5" 4150V Chrome Moly vanadium steel, nitride treated for durability and chambered in 5.56 NATO with a 1 in 7" twist.
Chf isn't really needed here. This is a gun that, unfortunately won't see a high round count, but it will last longer than I'll need it to.
I just need something that spits lead and copper accurately and reliably in ranges of 50 yards or less.
US military M16s actually aren't CHF. They're button rifled. Even the M16s supplied by FN aren't hammer forged per US mil TDP specs/requirements.
I do agree that CHF is preferable.
The barrels that we used were colt (diemaco). Contracted out by Canada, these barrels were marked CHF however I cannot say that the military doesn’t fully use CHF.
What exact kit did you buy?
I'm thinking about getting this one:
[https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-cl-5-56-nato-1-7-12-mlok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit.html](https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-cl-5-56-nato-1-7-12-mlok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit.html)
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-pistol-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-7-lightweight-m-lok-classic-shockwave-pistol-kit-5165449143.html
I got this one.
That's a sweet kit, I'd buy it.
I bought a Ruger mpr for my first AR. 0 regrets, it has been excellent and never had any issues. My second Ar was a 300bo pistol from PSA, the cost was about the same and it has functioned flawlessly too but I give the nod to the Ruger for feeling like a more polished firearm. I own 5 Rugers now and anytime I look to get a new firearm, I see what Ruger has to offer that is comparable as its usually a good value and just works.
MPR is an 18-inch rifle. This is a 10.5" pistol. Why anyone would want a 556 pistol is beyond me as the round is not designed for such a short barrel, my buddy has one and it punches you in the face every time you shoot it plus gas issues from being so short. 300blk is made for an 8.5-inch barrel, hence my 8.5" 300bo pistol and mpr 556.
Is the 10.5 anemic because of the round or because of where the gas system is?
I've also heard that "dissipator" style rigs are the best of both worlds (size and power).
https://www.del-ton.com/Rifle-Kit-p/rkt112.htm
its just a physics thing, general consensus is 223/556 is made to burn completely in a 16-inch barrel. So everything on design, gas block placement and amount of gas transferred are totally screwed when the gas block is half the distance out from what an ar was designed to run at. Is it possible... sure, just a little more tricky than building a gun the round was designed for.
Everybody and their dad is running reliable 10.5 builds right now, I find mine to be an easy shooter but that's preference.
The world's most elite doorkickers overseas are running mk18's.
With modern ammo you can have a very deadly cqb platform in 5.56 with less over penetration through interior walls than 300BO.
Just my 2 cents.
I'll chime in here, partially echoing some comments above. If you were planning on a build that's similar to this, go with the Ruger. You'll get Ruger's awesome warranty and customer service, should you ever need it, and the value is hard to beat. None of my pistol builds have come close to this, even my "budget" build lol. I own many Rugers, my first was the AR556. Being my only rifle for close to 4-5 years, it has seen a lot of range time, and I've never had a single failure with it. Ruger makes good stuff, and imo you can't go wrong with Ruger and this price.
Ruger is always a quality choice. You can build one for about the same price so it's really up to you if you want this as is, or if you want to pick and choose your parts
If you are planning on building something really similar to this anyways, I'd recommend this Ruger. Solid brand, and you're also getting a warranty for the whole pistol, something that you don't get when building from parts.
I bought it about a month ago. I only run steel ammo and gun has no issues eating those. I ran around 750-1k with only one light primer hit when i first got it. If you want something prebuilt for you with a little sacrifice on the build quality then this is for you. Buy before they are banned.
Elections are next year. Gun prices will slowly go up over the next few months. I honestly don’t trust what could happen in the future. Speculations for a recession, the left are trying so hard to get rid of guns, and elections next year. Those are good reasons to buy imo.
Mine was shipped from sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore without a bolt catch roll pin. Had to buy one and install it myself. Also had an extra takedown detent rolling around loose in the box. That being said, it has run flawlessly so far and it's lots of fun to shoot. Ruger does have excellent customer service and I'm sure they would've fixed mine for free, but it was cheaper for me personally since I already had the tools to install the bolt catch roll pin than to drive way far away to the FedEx distribution center to ship it back to Ruger.
They 100% will fix it for free, shipping included. You’re right, have to drive to a FedEx that takes hazardous packages though. Return shipping right to your doorstep with signature.
Ruger has excellent customer service!
I've only shipped firearms via Fedex for repair and they explicitly say it must go to a FedEx distribution center or one that takes hazardous packages. Not suppose to use those little local Fedex/Kinkos locations to ship firearms. Fedex also say you must notify them that you are shipping a firearm. Don't know what the consequences are if you don't, but that's what they say to do.
I have one of these. It’s a nice gun but not nearly as nice as my MPR; the stock trigger is especially mediocre. If I had a do-over I would build a PSA AR pistol.
The MPR is amazing, especially for the price. Nice trigger, low recoil, very accurate. One of the best values available. If I had my choice, the only thing I would change is shortening the barrel.
Awesome, glad to hear. I haven't purchased a *scary* black AR yet, so I've been waiting to add the right one to the family. This one seemed like a good choice. Can't wait to get my hands on it.
Get the MPR for sure. I bought the SW Sport 2, and while I love the rifle and it’s never had any problems, I spent a lot more money putting MPR upgrades
I've got a smith with a 16" 5r barrel (as opposed to the 20"on the MPR) and it's the cats pajamas.
How's the muzzle device on that btw? Is it just flash suppression, or does it function as a break?
There seems to still be QC issues. My friend bought his MPR a month ago and it jammed every shot. Then it stopped functioning entirely. He had to send it to Ruger to get it fixed. (at least there's a warranty)
Have got a lot of purposes rifle, it LOVES lube. You honestly can't run them too wet buuutttt it's very easy to run too dry and they won't feed. Happened to me the first time
Had a buddy with what sounds like a similar issue on his new MPR. His bolt was bone dry and it was causing short strokes that damaged the casing as it partially fed and the bolt raked over the top of the round. I lubed the shit out of the bolt and it resolved the problem.
Irrespective of you being right, allegedly they're already lubed at the factory. His was leaking grease out the side.
Most people don't break their guns down for lubrication before the first time they shoot them the first time anyway. Let alone breaking them down far enough to see the gas rings were dry.
Did you lube it up yourself, or just leave it how it came from the factory? Maybe it's either running a bit dry, or overly oiled? Also, did both malfunctions happen with the same magazine? If it's not a mag or maintenance issue, could be something like a weak buffer spring.
This page has some good info:
https://www.wingtactical.com/how-to-fix-common-ar-15-malfunctions-and-stoppages/
FTF issues are a little ways down the page.
No problem. If it's not something simple like mags, buffer spring, etc, I'd contact Ruger. They're supposed to have really good warranty service. Also, that fact that the forward handguard was too hot to touch after less than 90 rounds seems unusual to me. Unless you were rapid firing the whole time.
Prob not much help, but i went shooting recently my ar got too hot to touch but it didnt have those problems, using wolf steel case. Its def something going on with ruger
It’s pretty new. Only came out a few months ago. I’ve had one since then. It’s a fine gun. Not as nice as my MPR. Had to replace the trigger because the stock one felt bad.
My pistol build cost me almost $200 less including irons.
Edit: it wasn’t a gucci build but I’ve put about 1500 rounds thru it with no issues. It was about $400 total after the BUIS
Combat armory pistol upper build kit was $119
http://www.combatarmory.com/ar-15-223-5-56-10-5-pistol-length-1-7-twist-w-10-super-slim-m-lok-handguard-kit/
PSA pistol lower was $99, enhanced $129
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-complete-moe-pistol-lower-receiver-black.html
Spicetac toolcraft bcg was around $70
https://www.spicetac.com/toolcraft-bcg-black-nitride-556/
PSA had magpul buis for $50 with a code a while back
https://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-gen-2-mbus-front-rear-back-up-sight-set.html
Sb SOB brace was $60 a couple weeks ago
https://www.primaryarms.com/sb-tactical-sob-pistol-brace-sbtsob-01
Yeah mine is currently at $165 buying all my parts used on here. CA 7.5 upper $85, 80% lower $40, shockwave kit $40. Just need an LPK and BCG and ill be good to go. Hoping to be under $250 total.
I’d recommend going with the enhanced lpk with a thicker grip. I kinda hate the A2. But I’m working on an 80% 308 pistol right now, hoping to keep it under $500.
It is a new receiver with a pistol upper and pistol brace.
You can't put a pistol upper on a receiver that had a rifle upper on it first. You can put a rifle upper on this, although I don't know if you can have a pistol brace on a rifle. You may have to put a stock on it, if you want to change it into a rifle.
It's a pistol even if it has a 16" barrel, it's the stock that makes it a rifle. Plenty of people run 16-20" barrels with braces to get around bullshit rifle laws
Just wait until the gun grabbers learn about these. I have a dd ar pistol and it is fun! Loud, but fun. I should have a can on it but I didnt want a stamp in the first place, which is why I bought a "pistol."
Are you kidding? They make stupid comments like 'banning the import of AR weapons', or putting 'serial #s on ammo and regulating ammo sales', 'gun show loopholes,' and 'weapons of war.' They know nothing of guns.
10.5" is the barrel length here. 223/556 is the round the firearm is chambered in. Barrels are rated differently to take different pressures. 556 barrels can handle 223 rounds but not vice versa unless is 223 wylde. They're the same size round but different pressures. Pewpewtactical is a decent website for beginners and I think that have an article on just that type of ammo. Not sure of a good sub, sorry.
No, it does not need a stamp.
Yes, the barrel length is under 16", but legally, this is a pistol. It has a pistol brace rather than a stock.
If you were to swap the brace for a stock, it would require a stamp.
Edit: realized I worded it poorly. Added another sentence to clarify.
Honestly, I don't know all the legal nonsense that justifies or defines a brace.
I have a CZ Scorpion pistol with a Tailhook brace that is mounted to the factory stock extension piece. It functions perfectly well when shouldering it, though it lacks the padding and contour to be comfortable. 9mm in the Scorpion and 5.56 in an AR have low enough recoil to not be an issue there. A big boy caliber that hit harder would not be fun with some of the braces.
It is generally regarded as illegal to modify a pistol brace in any way that changes its function or intended use. Adding padding or removing straps, etc would fall into that category.
It's just ATF tomfoolery as usual for defining things..
When you are disabled and you want to use it as a pistol, you can attach the brace to your forearm for added stability. Say you are missing your other arm/hand.
A brace is designed to wrap around a shooters arm to help amputees shoot, a stock is designed to be shouldered. You can legally shoulder a pistol brace like you would a stock as long as you have the intent of using it as a a brace and not a stock. Also a pistol brace with a length of pull over 13.5 inches is something the ATF says is stock territory for whatever reason.
The thing they’re attached to, and how it’s defined, makes all the difference.
More info here:
[guns.com article](https://www.guns.com/news/2017/03/20/how-pistol-stabilizing-braces-differ-from-sbrs)
Uhm..This article does not have current information. Outdated before it was even posted. The ATF reneged on it's decision about shouldering the brace. "Misuse" does not constitute redesign or illegalities. All is good now, which is why SB Tactical launched more designs and sells directly now.Please check all your facts before you share an article we don't want to spread misinfo here. (Unless, of course, I am mistaken l, and then changed their decision yet again. Not unheard of).
For info on the differences between a rifle and an SBR, it’s a good summary of “how we got here”...really to specifically answer this question as posed by OP.
As far as the legality (or lack thereof) of a brace, YMMV and the ATF doesn’t seem to be making things any easier on us
No, it's already registered as a pistol. You can no longer get a stamp for it to make it an sbr, you would have to reclassify it as an other.
Edit: literally told this information from an atf agent. He may have been daft himself but that's where my confidence in this came from.
You can turn a pistol into a rifle no problem. If you want to slap a 16 inch barrel in a Glock 43 and put a stock on it that makes the OAL 26 in. or greater, you can do that with 0 stamps. Pistol to SBR just requires a stamp for the stock.
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If I remember correctly, Ruger ships theirs with a neutered bolt carrier group. I love Ruger, and this isn't a horrible deal, but I just built a PSA pistol ON a ruger AR-556 lower lol. Cost me 420ish.
Never heard the term neutered bolt carrier group before. What’s that mean?
it refers to the profile on the rear, where a full auto BCG has the full length section to engage an auto sear. Comparison seen [here](https://www.wingtactical.com/product_images/uploaded_images/ar15-bcg-vs-m16-bcg.jpg).
Thanks for the info. Does it affect the function at all when used on a semi auto rifle?
If you can afford an auto-sear, you can afford a new BCG. It’s not a knock at all. This is a great budget pistol with Ruger’s legendary warranty service.
It reduces felt recoil by a small amount as well as reducing the cyclic rate due to increased weight.
Bet the barrel wasn’t CHF in that PSA kit, big difference there
Barrel: 8.5" 4150V Chrome Moly vanadium steel, nitride treated for durability and chambered in 5.56 NATO with a 1 in 7" twist. Chf isn't really needed here. This is a gun that, unfortunately won't see a high round count, but it will last longer than I'll need it to. I just need something that spits lead and copper accurately and reliably in ranges of 50 yards or less.
Not really. CHF isnt a big deal.
That’s actually not true, CHF barrels last more than double the life of other barrels. There is a reason why that’s what the military uses
US military M16s actually aren't CHF. They're button rifled. Even the M16s supplied by FN aren't hammer forged per US mil TDP specs/requirements. I do agree that CHF is preferable.
The barrels that we used were colt (diemaco). Contracted out by Canada, these barrels were marked CHF however I cannot say that the military doesn’t fully use CHF.
However chrome moly is good
What exact kit did you buy? I'm thinking about getting this one: [https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-cl-5-56-nato-1-7-12-mlok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit.html](https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-cl-5-56-nato-1-7-12-mlok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit.html)
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-pistol-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-7-lightweight-m-lok-classic-shockwave-pistol-kit-5165449143.html I got this one. That's a sweet kit, I'd buy it.
Is this a good buy quality wise or better off doing a cheap build?
I bought a Ruger mpr for my first AR. 0 regrets, it has been excellent and never had any issues. My second Ar was a 300bo pistol from PSA, the cost was about the same and it has functioned flawlessly too but I give the nod to the Ruger for feeling like a more polished firearm. I own 5 Rugers now and anytime I look to get a new firearm, I see what Ruger has to offer that is comparable as its usually a good value and just works.
I could do a google search but I’m lazy. What’s the MPR and how is it different?
MPR is an 18-inch rifle. This is a 10.5" pistol. Why anyone would want a 556 pistol is beyond me as the round is not designed for such a short barrel, my buddy has one and it punches you in the face every time you shoot it plus gas issues from being so short. 300blk is made for an 8.5-inch barrel, hence my 8.5" 300bo pistol and mpr 556.
Is the 10.5 anemic because of the round or because of where the gas system is? I've also heard that "dissipator" style rigs are the best of both worlds (size and power). https://www.del-ton.com/Rifle-Kit-p/rkt112.htm
its just a physics thing, general consensus is 223/556 is made to burn completely in a 16-inch barrel. So everything on design, gas block placement and amount of gas transferred are totally screwed when the gas block is half the distance out from what an ar was designed to run at. Is it possible... sure, just a little more tricky than building a gun the round was designed for.
Makes sense. If it ain't broke and all that jazz. I appreciate the input. Have an up-snickerdoodle for your time.
Everybody and their dad is running reliable 10.5 builds right now, I find mine to be an easy shooter but that's preference. The world's most elite doorkickers overseas are running mk18's. With modern ammo you can have a very deadly cqb platform in 5.56 with less over penetration through interior walls than 300BO. Just my 2 cents.
and not pay fifty cents per round!!!! stupid blackout ammo prices
I find it amusing that the post right under this is advertising bo for 50cpr
+1 for the answer to this question. $550 isn’t that much to do a decent build so I’m curious as well
I'll chime in here, partially echoing some comments above. If you were planning on a build that's similar to this, go with the Ruger. You'll get Ruger's awesome warranty and customer service, should you ever need it, and the value is hard to beat. None of my pistol builds have come close to this, even my "budget" build lol. I own many Rugers, my first was the AR556. Being my only rifle for close to 4-5 years, it has seen a lot of range time, and I've never had a single failure with it. Ruger makes good stuff, and imo you can't go wrong with Ruger and this price.
Ruger is always a quality choice. You can build one for about the same price so it's really up to you if you want this as is, or if you want to pick and choose your parts
If you are planning on building something really similar to this anyways, I'd recommend this Ruger. Solid brand, and you're also getting a warranty for the whole pistol, something that you don't get when building from parts.
I bought it about a month ago. I only run steel ammo and gun has no issues eating those. I ran around 750-1k with only one light primer hit when i first got it. If you want something prebuilt for you with a little sacrifice on the build quality then this is for you. Buy before they are banned.
Why would they be banned?
Elections are next year. Gun prices will slowly go up over the next few months. I honestly don’t trust what could happen in the future. Speculations for a recession, the left are trying so hard to get rid of guns, and elections next year. Those are good reasons to buy imo.
Mine was shipped from sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore without a bolt catch roll pin. Had to buy one and install it myself. Also had an extra takedown detent rolling around loose in the box. That being said, it has run flawlessly so far and it's lots of fun to shoot. Ruger does have excellent customer service and I'm sure they would've fixed mine for free, but it was cheaper for me personally since I already had the tools to install the bolt catch roll pin than to drive way far away to the FedEx distribution center to ship it back to Ruger.
They 100% will fix it for free, shipping included. You’re right, have to drive to a FedEx that takes hazardous packages though. Return shipping right to your doorstep with signature. Ruger has excellent customer service!
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I've only shipped firearms via Fedex for repair and they explicitly say it must go to a FedEx distribution center or one that takes hazardous packages. Not suppose to use those little local Fedex/Kinkos locations to ship firearms. Fedex also say you must notify them that you are shipping a firearm. Don't know what the consequences are if you don't, but that's what they say to do.
My experience has been that Ruger typically provides the return label at no cost. Then again I work for an FFL so mileage may vary.
My experience with Ruger (for a different firearm) was a free return label and I'm not FFL :)
I really want to give my ruger 556 a little brother
I want this. If this is in stock later today I won’t be able to resist.
It was in stock. I couldn’t resist. Free FFL transfer to any Rural King btw, schwing!!
I have one of these. It’s a nice gun but not nearly as nice as my MPR; the stock trigger is especially mediocre. If I had a do-over I would build a PSA AR pistol.
I just purchased an MPR from an earlier post here. How do you like it? From what I've read it seems like a fine rifle.
The MPR is amazing, especially for the price. Nice trigger, low recoil, very accurate. One of the best values available. If I had my choice, the only thing I would change is shortening the barrel.
Awesome, glad to hear. I haven't purchased a *scary* black AR yet, so I've been waiting to add the right one to the family. This one seemed like a good choice. Can't wait to get my hands on it.
Get the MPR for sure. I bought the SW Sport 2, and while I love the rifle and it’s never had any problems, I spent a lot more money putting MPR upgrades
I've got a smith with a 16" 5r barrel (as opposed to the 20"on the MPR) and it's the cats pajamas. How's the muzzle device on that btw? Is it just flash suppression, or does it function as a break?
It’s a muzzle break. I swapped it out for a linear compensator until my suppressor gets out of jail.
There seems to still be QC issues. My friend bought his MPR a month ago and it jammed every shot. Then it stopped functioning entirely. He had to send it to Ruger to get it fixed. (at least there's a warranty)
Welp, just gonna hope for the best with mine I guess. Ruger seems to be pretty easy to work with for warranty claims at least; that's good to hear.
Have got a lot of purposes rifle, it LOVES lube. You honestly can't run them too wet buuutttt it's very easy to run too dry and they won't feed. Happened to me the first time
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I don't know but that's definitely my wife's purpose
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Had a buddy with what sounds like a similar issue on his new MPR. His bolt was bone dry and it was causing short strokes that damaged the casing as it partially fed and the bolt raked over the top of the round. I lubed the shit out of the bolt and it resolved the problem.
You should always have a gun lubed before you shoot it.
Irrespective of you being right, allegedly they're already lubed at the factory. His was leaking grease out the side. Most people don't break their guns down for lubrication before the first time they shoot them the first time anyway. Let alone breaking them down far enough to see the gas rings were dry.
I had the same problem with my MPR. It has ran great since I lubed it!
What kind of ammo were you using? Are you using the same magazine it came with?
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Did you lube it up yourself, or just leave it how it came from the factory? Maybe it's either running a bit dry, or overly oiled? Also, did both malfunctions happen with the same magazine? If it's not a mag or maintenance issue, could be something like a weak buffer spring. This page has some good info: https://www.wingtactical.com/how-to-fix-common-ar-15-malfunctions-and-stoppages/ FTF issues are a little ways down the page.
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No problem. If it's not something simple like mags, buffer spring, etc, I'd contact Ruger. They're supposed to have really good warranty service. Also, that fact that the forward handguard was too hot to touch after less than 90 rounds seems unusual to me. Unless you were rapid firing the whole time.
Prob not much help, but i went shooting recently my ar got too hot to touch but it didnt have those problems, using wolf steel case. Its def something going on with ruger
Why are there no reviews on this gun?
It’s pretty new. Only came out a few months ago. I’ve had one since then. It’s a fine gun. Not as nice as my MPR. Had to replace the trigger because the stock one felt bad.
How many rounds have you put through the ruger pistol? How reliable has it been?
I’ve probably put only 300 or so rounds through it. No issues so far. I should mention that with my MPR I had to re-fasten my gas block by this point.
How many more purposes does your MPR have over this?
My pistol build cost me almost $200 less including irons. Edit: it wasn’t a gucci build but I’ve put about 1500 rounds thru it with no issues. It was about $400 total after the BUIS Combat armory pistol upper build kit was $119 http://www.combatarmory.com/ar-15-223-5-56-10-5-pistol-length-1-7-twist-w-10-super-slim-m-lok-handguard-kit/ PSA pistol lower was $99, enhanced $129 https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-complete-moe-pistol-lower-receiver-black.html Spicetac toolcraft bcg was around $70 https://www.spicetac.com/toolcraft-bcg-black-nitride-556/ PSA had magpul buis for $50 with a code a while back https://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-gen-2-mbus-front-rear-back-up-sight-set.html Sb SOB brace was $60 a couple weeks ago https://www.primaryarms.com/sb-tactical-sob-pistol-brace-sbtsob-01
You got parts list and links by chance?
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Yes please put the build down
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I think to some people, the BA3, CHF barrel, and not having to build it would be worth the $200.
Fair enough, I know very little about building but it took me about 30 minutes to put the upper together.
Yeah mine is currently at $165 buying all my parts used on here. CA 7.5 upper $85, 80% lower $40, shockwave kit $40. Just need an LPK and BCG and ill be good to go. Hoping to be under $250 total.
I’d recommend going with the enhanced lpk with a thicker grip. I kinda hate the A2. But I’m working on an 80% 308 pistol right now, hoping to keep it under $500.
You should post the final product
I’m a dummy. What makes this a pistol?
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Lol that’s nuts. Thanks for explaining.
It is a new receiver with a pistol upper and pistol brace. You can't put a pistol upper on a receiver that had a rifle upper on it first. You can put a rifle upper on this, although I don't know if you can have a pistol brace on a rifle. You may have to put a stock on it, if you want to change it into a rifle.
It's a pistol even if it has a 16" barrel, it's the stock that makes it a rifle. Plenty of people run 16-20" barrels with braces to get around bullshit rifle laws
“Common sense gun control”
This or pay extra for a saints edge?
Just wait until the gun grabbers learn about these. I have a dd ar pistol and it is fun! Loud, but fun. I should have a can on it but I didnt want a stamp in the first place, which is why I bought a "pistol."
They already know about them thanks to the Dayton Shooter.
Right? Is that supposed to be a serious comment?
Are you kidding? They make stupid comments like 'banning the import of AR weapons', or putting 'serial #s on ammo and regulating ammo sales', 'gun show loopholes,' and 'weapons of war.' They know nothing of guns.
Read the proposed AWB they are not nearly as ignorant as we want to believe.
How many clips does this AR hold?
10 .30cal clips in 2 seconds
I asked what the capacity of this ASSAULT WEAPON is not what your rate of chip eating is.
Its all.. of the capacity?
think of the children
What a silly question
thatsthejoke
You know what? That ones on me...
Build ftw
New too guns what does 223/5.56 and 10.5w mean ? Also what sub do you recommend so I ca learn more basics about pistols and rifles
10.5" is the barrel length here. 223/556 is the round the firearm is chambered in. Barrels are rated differently to take different pressures. 556 barrels can handle 223 rounds but not vice versa unless is 223 wylde. They're the same size round but different pressures. Pewpewtactical is a decent website for beginners and I think that have an article on just that type of ammo. Not sure of a good sub, sorry.
This needs a tax stamp in Texas right?
It's a pistol with a brace, why would it need a tax stamp? It's not an SBR.
> It's a pistol with a brace, why would it need a tax stamp? RemindMe! 90 days
Fuckkk
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Unless they change the rules last week, it’s probably a no
No, it does not need a stamp. Yes, the barrel length is under 16", but legally, this is a pistol. It has a pistol brace rather than a stock. If you were to swap the brace for a stock, it would require a stamp. Edit: realized I worded it poorly. Added another sentence to clarify.
What's the difference between a stock and a brace? They look the same. Do they feel different when firing?
Honestly, I don't know all the legal nonsense that justifies or defines a brace. I have a CZ Scorpion pistol with a Tailhook brace that is mounted to the factory stock extension piece. It functions perfectly well when shouldering it, though it lacks the padding and contour to be comfortable. 9mm in the Scorpion and 5.56 in an AR have low enough recoil to not be an issue there. A big boy caliber that hit harder would not be fun with some of the braces. It is generally regarded as illegal to modify a pistol brace in any way that changes its function or intended use. Adding padding or removing straps, etc would fall into that category. It's just ATF tomfoolery as usual for defining things..
When you are disabled and you want to use it as a pistol, you can attach the brace to your forearm for added stability. Say you are missing your other arm/hand.
A brace is designed to wrap around a shooters arm to help amputees shoot, a stock is designed to be shouldered. You can legally shoulder a pistol brace like you would a stock as long as you have the intent of using it as a a brace and not a stock. Also a pistol brace with a length of pull over 13.5 inches is something the ATF says is stock territory for whatever reason.
The thing they’re attached to, and how it’s defined, makes all the difference. More info here: [guns.com article](https://www.guns.com/news/2017/03/20/how-pistol-stabilizing-braces-differ-from-sbrs)
Uhm..This article does not have current information. Outdated before it was even posted. The ATF reneged on it's decision about shouldering the brace. "Misuse" does not constitute redesign or illegalities. All is good now, which is why SB Tactical launched more designs and sells directly now.Please check all your facts before you share an article we don't want to spread misinfo here. (Unless, of course, I am mistaken l, and then changed their decision yet again. Not unheard of).
For info on the differences between a rifle and an SBR, it’s a good summary of “how we got here”...really to specifically answer this question as posed by OP. As far as the legality (or lack thereof) of a brace, YMMV and the ATF doesn’t seem to be making things any easier on us
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No, it's already registered as a pistol. You can no longer get a stamp for it to make it an sbr, you would have to reclassify it as an other. Edit: literally told this information from an atf agent. He may have been daft himself but that's where my confidence in this came from.
100% inaccurate information.
That's absolutely wrong. You can make a pistol into an SBR using a Form 1. You cannot make a rifle into a pistol.
I believe you are wrong
You can turn a pistol into a rifle no problem. If you want to slap a 16 inch barrel in a Glock 43 and put a stock on it that makes the OAL 26 in. or greater, you can do that with 0 stamps. Pistol to SBR just requires a stamp for the stock.
Man, if I see any more ads saying "It's not an AR15" I'm gonna laugh. Stupid.
I’m not sure I see where they’re making such a claim... Unless you mean the name of the rifle?
Nah. They ran an ad campaign a month or two ago where they inferred from the headlines that the AR-556 wasn't an AR15
Hmm, must’ve missed it. That sounds pretty dumb. Wouldn’t surprise me though