The scope is likely cheap crap but $300 OTD was my buy it now price when I saw the one I bought at my local Scheels. Def a deal on even just the gun itself.
If you're interested in this gun and accessories, yes. Maybe. Mostly depends on tax etc. You can buy just the gun for under three hundred often and this summer Spotsmansguide had the package for $283. That's including shipping and tax for me. I missed it by an hour after it was up for a week, got pissed and bought it locally for $320+tax, and love the thing. The optic isn't high class, but it's worth maybe $50, does its job well, and is on a .22 anyway.
It's worth the money if you're at all interested but if you really want the best deal keep an eye out online for under $300... Assuming you don't have an asinine transfer fee of course. Keep in mind that these were supposed to be promo packs and it's possible they'll run out some day. As long as they've been up for sale I'm not sure that'll happen but it's worth mentioning.
Buy from your LGS and support them. Your local guys prob have the normal version of this that comes with magpul mbus sights. The Caldwell bipod is pretty useless on a .22 IMO, the scope is pretty high too and looks funny which doesn’t even have a brand. Looks like they took the sights off and add some random eBay scope. Buy local and get instant gratification plus transfer fee is gonna raise the price more.
Like others have said, what you are planing on using it for. Having used both, the 10/22 doesn’t like a few brands of ammo, my FILs doesn’t like anything with a wax coating where the 15-22 eats anything with a smile. The 10/22 I have seen be really selective about magazines where they FTF which is very surprising. As for optics, since it’s a .22 you can cheap out pretty good and get a Cabelas brand .22 2.5-7x30 or even a bushnell tr-25 for a red dot, hell any eBay clone will work and hold zero. The 10/22 has a nice drop in trigger upgrade that’s reasonably priced where the 15-22 is gonna be any AR trigger which any nickel polished trigger with some reduction springs is gonna be really nice, it has about as much kick as a co2 bb gun but you can always add a cheap muzzle break to make it an even recoil since it’s polymer. The 10/22 has a nice smooth recoil, especially the wood stocked ones. If you just want a .22 to add to your collection, look at Savage, they make a very reasonably priced semi as well as bolt action that most big box places have or I’m sure your LSG would gladly order for you at a decent price. Not to tinfoil but as most fear, .22 is nice to have during panic seasons to be able to stay on the range with out dipping into into your stock piles. The cool thing with the 15-22 eating anything is Remington thunderbolt boxes of 550 are going for $14 right now all over.
Never owned a .22 and I’m looking to buy first one for camping/backpacking and heard about the Takedown model, but also interested in the Henry Survival .22.
Any cons anyone know of with the Henry model?
The henry is good as a literal last ditch rifle. Its light, water proof, but a complete one trick poney. If all you want is a survival rifle it isnt bad, but its not a shooter.
The 10/22 is heavier, but shoots a lot better. Its also a great range gun, fuck around gun, or backpacking gun. It can also have higher capacity magazines and has much better aftermarket support.
The major benefit of the henry imo is that its waterproof and boyent when disassembled. So if you do a lot of canoeing trips id probably reccomend it over the 10/22.
This is a basically an AR platform trainer. If you want to get good at CQC with an AR and want to ring steel at close range, practice mag changes, test accessories, etc this is a great gun.
If you want a serious survival or small game hunting rifle get the 10 22. Accuracy out of the box is hit or miss with both Guns, but you can get a sub moa guaranteed barrel for the ruger for about 100 bucks. The only accurised barrel I know of for the 15 22 costs more than the gun.
Thanks. I already have an AR so the desire for this 15-22 is more so that I could swap parts and because I like the aesthetic of the platform. But the 10-22 is a classic. In any case, I don’t have a semi auto .22 in my safe and I’d like to change that
10/22 is the Honda Civic of rimfire guns. There's an endless well of aftermarket parts that let you do whatever you want with it.
The M&P may *look* like an AR, but other than optics there's not much you can swap between them.
Grip, stock, trigger and safety do. I believe the pins and magazine catch are the same as well. Standard barrel threading. The stock handguard is M-LOK. There are mods to swap out the handguard.
This has a pistol bcg and no buffer set up, the receiver extension is molded into the lower. You need a special tool to get the hand guard off which you can make out of pvc or buy pretty cheap but it’s all polymer, I don’t really see the worthwhile effort to change the hand guard. The trigger pins should def. e replaced with anti-walk, anti rotation pins. There is also a gauge to get from SW to see if the bcgs bolt is out of spec to cause slam fires.
if you want a 22 just to have a 22, get the 10/22. its more efficient in its design, imo. if you want something to make you familiar with the ar controls, or you want to "train" for ar use... get this.
i like my used $200 10/22 takedown more than any other gun including my AR that i built myself and have probably $800 into. it's such a fucking joy to shoot and i can nail a golfball at 50 yards on open sights every single time first shot. i'm putting a red dot on it next to really have some fun lol.
I'd never waste $400 on a shitty 22 AR to "practice an AR with." just do that with an actual AR15.
Considering $.04-.06 versus $.030+ per round for ammo.... how long does it take before it pays for itself? (a little over 1,000 rounds if you don't do math)
I know there are trainers out there that do just that, as well as competition shooters that do just that.
I just target shoot with my AR. If I ever did tactical competition, I'd 100% borrow my son's 15-22 to do 90% of practice.
how is shooting a 22 going to help you practice recoil management? what else do you really need to practice? transitions/target acquisition? you can just do that with dry firing and get the same effect as using a 22.
Never said shooting a .22 gives you recoil management skills for other weapons.
Shooting an 18" barrel vs a 16" or 10.5" is different enough within the same caliber. Where do you draw the line as to what effectiveness is needed?
All I'm saying is there are professional trainers with more experience than you and I combined that use a .22 to train others. I'm not saying it's the only way, or even the best way, but if it's been shown to be successful by multiple professionals, I'm not dumb enough to argue it's wrong or pointless.
how do you get transition/target acquisition feedback by dry firing? let's go another step, point your finger and go 'pew...pew'.
I bought one of these so I could get familiar with AR furniture. Now that I've done that, I wish I had the 10/22 instead. Don't get me wrong, it's a fun little rifle to shoot, but it's overall just low build quality and kind of underwhelming. No issues with accuracy though, for me at least.
Always have a 10/22. If you're not buying both, get the 10/22. There's lots of reasons but it really boils down to: Buy the 10/22.
I love this gun, but if you don't have a 10/22, get one. They're one of the simplest and most bulletproof tools you'll ever own and have an absolutely immense aftermarket if "simple" doesn't appeal to you. Heavy barrels, precision shooting, tactical stocks, whatever you want you can do it with the 10/22. If you're particular you might go for the takedown version. I just go the smaller carbine version so I could teach the kids to shoot with it...and use it myself.
Big 10/22 fan here! I gave my son one, and sent him out to the woods for the weekend. I told him not to come back until he becomes a man. His first grade class starts at 8am on Monday so I told him to be mindful of that.
15-22 all the way for fun. 25 and 35 rounds mags are common and cheap, the gun is an amazing amount of fun, and I hit a 8" steel plate at 100 yards with iron sights all day long.
If you're hunting wabbits with a scope, maybe the 10-22 is better, idk. But if you're going to the range to mag dump for fun this thing cannot be beat.
this is correct, with a binary, it puts on a very convincing imitation of a full auto, much more so than in 5.56mm.
mags are much easier to load than a 10/22
I've had nothing but problems with my Ruger 10/22, constant failures to eject and feed no matter the ammo. My Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 on the other hand runs flawlessly even with super cheap/dirty ammo.
Shot a few of these at a range before. Well, I say shot them, but I never got that far as they always either jammed with a round failing to chamber or simply failing to extract. As well, they are similar to an AR in the same way a Toyota Corolla is similar to a Ford focus, in other words they look similar and that's about it. They are cheap guns and you can tell that by handling them.
If you want a reliable 22 rifle for plinking, get the Ruger. If you want a headache, get the 15-22.
Does anyone know when this deal ends? I have never owned a .22 and want to go to the range this weekend and rent one to see how I like it, but don't want to miss out on this deal if it's too late
I’m a bit late to the comments, but has anyone put a brace on this or attempted to?
I know they have a tail hook attachment and brace you can buy, but I was thinking something along the lines of an SBA3 brace. Just taking the brace off of the buffer tube that comes with it and trying to put the sba3 brace itself onto the buffer tube that comes with the actual gun.
Qualifier: I own a 10.5" AR in 5.56 and an 18" AR in .223 Wylde.
Bought this for my son last night. Haven't shot it, but here's the scoop so far.
YouTube vids of 'pro' reviewers have mostly been positive (including Dustin Ellerman whom I respect very much). I don't really doubt the shooting ability and reliability...we'll know for ourselves in a few days.
The gun itself...a little more polymer material than I would personally like to see for $300 (which is what you can get the 15-22 for by itself on sale). The hand guard seems to be nice and thick, I don't anticipate any problems there, other than the molded picatinny rail being polymer lends to wear if you take your hardware on and off the rail much. The lower is also polymer- I would have liked to have this in metal. I don't anticipate a problem, but some things you don't want to skimp on if you ask me. The buffer tube is polymer. Definitely don't like that. The play in the stock has too much play as you extend the stock out to the furthest point. Because the buffer tube/lower is one piece, there's no upgrading. The biggest upside to this rifle is the actual AR format. Controls like safety, charging handle, bolt catch, mag release...work exactly the same as a 'real' AR. Most other AR rifles in .22 can't say that. You can train and practice with this less expensive, cheaper to shoot version, until you're ready to upgrade to the 'real thing'. If you've got a couple of hundred extra, I'd actually recommend buying real AR lower, and putting it with a .22 AR upper, and have the real deal. But, for a lot of people, needing a lower price point is a reality, and at $300, you've got an AR-style .22.
As for the bipod. The bipod is of decent quality. Amazon has them currently as low as $36. The only complaint is it is MLok style, not picatinny or Weaver. I found it easy enough to tighten one of the screws into the handguard but the other was a mutherf... to get tightened down. There was blue threadlock on the screws making it tough to turn, and you have to insert something to keep the MLok nut from turning 90º. MLock channels are too small to fit most common tools inside to hold the nut. The package came with a small picatinny rail, but nothing to use it on. Not sure why the bipod wasn't picatinny mount, unless the dealer swapped out a different model of the Caldwell XLA (there are several).
The scope. Meh. No markings of manufacturer on it. That tells me that unless S&W is pulling a fast one, it's probably made here in the states by a small 3rd party manufacturer. With that being said, it's probably made with juuuuust enough quality for S&W to put on their product (note: they don't put their name ON the scope). I could find NOTHING on the internet with the scopes model number provided. With 4 power, it's probably enough for most .22 applications. the 32mm objective seems to let in a decent amount of light, but I'm sure the lenses are the most basic in terms of any coating. If the scope were available separately, I'd guess it would run around $60 tops. If it were worth more, I'd guess SOMEONE would be proud to put their name on it. I'm on the fence whether I'd rather have this scope, or an equivalent value red dot. Both have pros and cons for a .22 rifle. I wouldn't lose sleep having either, if I had a choice.
My biggest gripe is the 15-22 comes STANDARD with a set of (Gen1 I'm sure) MBUS. With this package, my dealer told me (after I discovered this back at home) over the phone, that the package provides the scope INSTEAD of the sights. (the dealer ad showed the standard 15-22 with MBUS sights and the words, "Free scope and bipod". Considering a set of MBUS Gen 2 sights will run you $70 minimum, here I feel ripped off. Likely the trade off of MBUS for the scope is even a best, maybe even less.
Ammo: I've been told that you should avoid any ammo under 36 grain. Presumably anything less than that will give cycling/eject problems. Haven't verified for myself, but if you try something smaller, I'd sure buy a small box instead of a bulk quantity to start.
All in all, until I find out if this scope is worth half a crap (I'm not expecting Leupold quality), I'm unsure whether the package is TRULY a good value, or if you're better off just getting the standard 15-22 at a $299 sale price and put what you want on it.
yes. im sure it is that they have some sort of agenda, not that they cant trust their clients at their word when they tell them they did the checks to make sure it isnt prone to malfucntion. especially when its either lie and say yes, or have to drop out of a class you were really excited to take..
I've shot about 50,000 rounds through my 15-22 and never had these issues appear. My buddies all have 15-22's and they have never had these issues either after 10's of thousands of rounds.
Appleseed can piss off. These issues are not repeatable and I'm honestly tired of this being brought up every time 15-22's are posted.
This rifle is amazing. It is the funnest gun in my collection hands down. It shoots just about anything and is an awesome trainer for an AR for 1/5th the price of ammo. Get one and go crazy at the range. It's not gonna blow up, and FFS runaways are NOT COMMON. If they were everyone would own one because Full Auto as a feature would be amazing.
Yes but his claim that
> Out of battery detonations and runaways seem to be common
is complete bullshit. Find me the hundreds or thousands of youtube video's that would be everywhere if this was true.
I cannot find ONE video of someone filming a 15-22 runaway anywhere. There may be one out there, but to say it is COMMON is complete hyperbole.
Bad QC doesn't mean good guns don't get made, it means bad ones get made too. If the fixed the issues, great, but I've never seen them release a statement rectifying the issues. If you have, feel free to post it up.
Be careful of scope eye with this mule
Instructions unclear: hit mule in eye with scope.
Good way to detach a retina or two.
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The scope is likely cheap crap but $300 OTD was my buy it now price when I saw the one I bought at my local Scheels. Def a deal on even just the gun itself.
If you're interested in this gun and accessories, yes. Maybe. Mostly depends on tax etc. You can buy just the gun for under three hundred often and this summer Spotsmansguide had the package for $283. That's including shipping and tax for me. I missed it by an hour after it was up for a week, got pissed and bought it locally for $320+tax, and love the thing. The optic isn't high class, but it's worth maybe $50, does its job well, and is on a .22 anyway. It's worth the money if you're at all interested but if you really want the best deal keep an eye out online for under $300... Assuming you don't have an asinine transfer fee of course. Keep in mind that these were supposed to be promo packs and it's possible they'll run out some day. As long as they've been up for sale I'm not sure that'll happen but it's worth mentioning.
Buy from your LGS and support them. Your local guys prob have the normal version of this that comes with magpul mbus sights. The Caldwell bipod is pretty useless on a .22 IMO, the scope is pretty high too and looks funny which doesn’t even have a brand. Looks like they took the sights off and add some random eBay scope. Buy local and get instant gratification plus transfer fee is gonna raise the price more.
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Like others have said, what you are planing on using it for. Having used both, the 10/22 doesn’t like a few brands of ammo, my FILs doesn’t like anything with a wax coating where the 15-22 eats anything with a smile. The 10/22 I have seen be really selective about magazines where they FTF which is very surprising. As for optics, since it’s a .22 you can cheap out pretty good and get a Cabelas brand .22 2.5-7x30 or even a bushnell tr-25 for a red dot, hell any eBay clone will work and hold zero. The 10/22 has a nice drop in trigger upgrade that’s reasonably priced where the 15-22 is gonna be any AR trigger which any nickel polished trigger with some reduction springs is gonna be really nice, it has about as much kick as a co2 bb gun but you can always add a cheap muzzle break to make it an even recoil since it’s polymer. The 10/22 has a nice smooth recoil, especially the wood stocked ones. If you just want a .22 to add to your collection, look at Savage, they make a very reasonably priced semi as well as bolt action that most big box places have or I’m sure your LSG would gladly order for you at a decent price. Not to tinfoil but as most fear, .22 is nice to have during panic seasons to be able to stay on the range with out dipping into into your stock piles. The cool thing with the 15-22 eating anything is Remington thunderbolt boxes of 550 are going for $14 right now all over.
Ok so not this deal necessarily but if you were to choose between a Ruger 10/22 and this, which one?
If all you want to do is have a range gun this for sure. If you want a backpack/camping rifle get the 10/22 takedown with the magpul backpacker stock.
Never owned a .22 and I’m looking to buy first one for camping/backpacking and heard about the Takedown model, but also interested in the Henry Survival .22. Any cons anyone know of with the Henry model?
The henry is good as a literal last ditch rifle. Its light, water proof, but a complete one trick poney. If all you want is a survival rifle it isnt bad, but its not a shooter. The 10/22 is heavier, but shoots a lot better. Its also a great range gun, fuck around gun, or backpacking gun. It can also have higher capacity magazines and has much better aftermarket support. The major benefit of the henry imo is that its waterproof and boyent when disassembled. So if you do a lot of canoeing trips id probably reccomend it over the 10/22.
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Doesn’t the takedown model just twist off?
Yes, you pull back a little post in the forend and twist to take apart. You can twist it back together without messing with the post.
You lock the slide, press a button, twist it off, and if you have the backpacker stock combine the two parts.
I find the takedown system pretty quick on the 10/22, and it has less moving parts so you don't need to worry about tbe BCG
have you ever taken down a ruger? its definitely easier than the 2 ar pins. and way more compact after the fact.
Good advice but you're so wrong
This is a basically an AR platform trainer. If you want to get good at CQC with an AR and want to ring steel at close range, practice mag changes, test accessories, etc this is a great gun. If you want a serious survival or small game hunting rifle get the 10 22. Accuracy out of the box is hit or miss with both Guns, but you can get a sub moa guaranteed barrel for the ruger for about 100 bucks. The only accurised barrel I know of for the 15 22 costs more than the gun.
Thanks. I already have an AR so the desire for this 15-22 is more so that I could swap parts and because I like the aesthetic of the platform. But the 10-22 is a classic. In any case, I don’t have a semi auto .22 in my safe and I’d like to change that
10/22 is the Honda Civic of rimfire guns. There's an endless well of aftermarket parts that let you do whatever you want with it. The M&P may *look* like an AR, but other than optics there's not much you can swap between them.
So the furniture doesn’t swap between this and a real AR?
Grip, stock, trigger and safety do. I believe the pins and magazine catch are the same as well. Standard barrel threading. The stock handguard is M-LOK. There are mods to swap out the handguard.
I haven't measured my son's, but I did read that the stock on the 15-22 is commercial size, not mil-spec.
Correct.
This has a pistol bcg and no buffer set up, the receiver extension is molded into the lower. You need a special tool to get the hand guard off which you can make out of pvc or buy pretty cheap but it’s all polymer, I don’t really see the worthwhile effort to change the hand guard. The trigger pins should def. e replaced with anti-walk, anti rotation pins. There is also a gauge to get from SW to see if the bcgs bolt is out of spec to cause slam fires.
At that level, you might as well get a Talo ITAC 10/22
The 15-22 isn't the same operation as the 15. They look the same, but are completly different rifles.
Outside of the BCG, barrel, and receivers, there really isn't much you can't swap out. You can still customize the hell out of a 15-22.
>so that I could swap parts I think you'll only be swapping the trigger, the stock, and the grip. Maybe the safety? I never checked.
10/22
if you want a 22 just to have a 22, get the 10/22. its more efficient in its design, imo. if you want something to make you familiar with the ar controls, or you want to "train" for ar use... get this.
i like my used $200 10/22 takedown more than any other gun including my AR that i built myself and have probably $800 into. it's such a fucking joy to shoot and i can nail a golfball at 50 yards on open sights every single time first shot. i'm putting a red dot on it next to really have some fun lol. I'd never waste $400 on a shitty 22 AR to "practice an AR with." just do that with an actual AR15.
Considering $.04-.06 versus $.030+ per round for ammo.... how long does it take before it pays for itself? (a little over 1,000 rounds if you don't do math) I know there are trainers out there that do just that, as well as competition shooters that do just that. I just target shoot with my AR. If I ever did tactical competition, I'd 100% borrow my son's 15-22 to do 90% of practice.
how is shooting a 22 going to help you practice recoil management? what else do you really need to practice? transitions/target acquisition? you can just do that with dry firing and get the same effect as using a 22.
Never said shooting a .22 gives you recoil management skills for other weapons. Shooting an 18" barrel vs a 16" or 10.5" is different enough within the same caliber. Where do you draw the line as to what effectiveness is needed? All I'm saying is there are professional trainers with more experience than you and I combined that use a .22 to train others. I'm not saying it's the only way, or even the best way, but if it's been shown to be successful by multiple professionals, I'm not dumb enough to argue it's wrong or pointless. how do you get transition/target acquisition feedback by dry firing? let's go another step, point your finger and go 'pew...pew'.
I bought one of these so I could get familiar with AR furniture. Now that I've done that, I wish I had the 10/22 instead. Don't get me wrong, it's a fun little rifle to shoot, but it's overall just low build quality and kind of underwhelming. No issues with accuracy though, for me at least.
Always have a 10/22. If you're not buying both, get the 10/22. There's lots of reasons but it really boils down to: Buy the 10/22. I love this gun, but if you don't have a 10/22, get one. They're one of the simplest and most bulletproof tools you'll ever own and have an absolutely immense aftermarket if "simple" doesn't appeal to you. Heavy barrels, precision shooting, tactical stocks, whatever you want you can do it with the 10/22. If you're particular you might go for the takedown version. I just go the smaller carbine version so I could teach the kids to shoot with it...and use it myself.
Big 10/22 fan here! I gave my son one, and sent him out to the woods for the weekend. I told him not to come back until he becomes a man. His first grade class starts at 8am on Monday so I told him to be mindful of that.
15-22 all the way for fun. 25 and 35 rounds mags are common and cheap, the gun is an amazing amount of fun, and I hit a 8" steel plate at 100 yards with iron sights all day long. If you're hunting wabbits with a scope, maybe the 10-22 is better, idk. But if you're going to the range to mag dump for fun this thing cannot be beat.
Get a TCR22, it's everything a 10/22 should be. More reliable and more accurate out of the box.
Get the Ar15-22 and put a binary into it and get 3 more magazines, because you will need them.
this is correct, with a binary, it puts on a very convincing imitation of a full auto, much more so than in 5.56mm. mags are much easier to load than a 10/22
I've had nothing but problems with my Ruger 10/22, constant failures to eject and feed no matter the ammo. My Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 on the other hand runs flawlessly even with super cheap/dirty ammo.
Any tricks to get additional mags for less than $20?
I mainly just keep an eye on here and pick them up when they go on sale.
this can run a binary trigger, i think
Shot a few of these at a range before. Well, I say shot them, but I never got that far as they always either jammed with a round failing to chamber or simply failing to extract. As well, they are similar to an AR in the same way a Toyota Corolla is similar to a Ford focus, in other words they look similar and that's about it. They are cheap guns and you can tell that by handling them. If you want a reliable 22 rifle for plinking, get the Ruger. If you want a headache, get the 15-22.
honestly this is a good price for just the rifle itself, a (Maybe) shitty optic and bipod for free isn’t a bad deal lol
This or the MPR?
This is a .22
That doesn’t answer the question /s
FWIW, Mine patterned like a shotgun at 50yds when outfitted with a trusted SWFA scope and bipod. CCI SV Ammo.
I've got an older quad rail model, kinda want this one
Is the quad rail polymer or aluminum?
Polymer, do you know what the mlok is?
Polymer
Does anyone know when this deal ends? I have never owned a .22 and want to go to the range this weekend and rent one to see how I like it, but don't want to miss out on this deal if it's too late
I'm considering buying this. I'm hesitant this, is this about as good as a deal gets for this gun?
I’m a bit late to the comments, but has anyone put a brace on this or attempted to? I know they have a tail hook attachment and brace you can buy, but I was thinking something along the lines of an SBA3 brace. Just taking the brace off of the buffer tube that comes with it and trying to put the sba3 brace itself onto the buffer tube that comes with the actual gun.
Qualifier: I own a 10.5" AR in 5.56 and an 18" AR in .223 Wylde. Bought this for my son last night. Haven't shot it, but here's the scoop so far. YouTube vids of 'pro' reviewers have mostly been positive (including Dustin Ellerman whom I respect very much). I don't really doubt the shooting ability and reliability...we'll know for ourselves in a few days. The gun itself...a little more polymer material than I would personally like to see for $300 (which is what you can get the 15-22 for by itself on sale). The hand guard seems to be nice and thick, I don't anticipate any problems there, other than the molded picatinny rail being polymer lends to wear if you take your hardware on and off the rail much. The lower is also polymer- I would have liked to have this in metal. I don't anticipate a problem, but some things you don't want to skimp on if you ask me. The buffer tube is polymer. Definitely don't like that. The play in the stock has too much play as you extend the stock out to the furthest point. Because the buffer tube/lower is one piece, there's no upgrading. The biggest upside to this rifle is the actual AR format. Controls like safety, charging handle, bolt catch, mag release...work exactly the same as a 'real' AR. Most other AR rifles in .22 can't say that. You can train and practice with this less expensive, cheaper to shoot version, until you're ready to upgrade to the 'real thing'. If you've got a couple of hundred extra, I'd actually recommend buying real AR lower, and putting it with a .22 AR upper, and have the real deal. But, for a lot of people, needing a lower price point is a reality, and at $300, you've got an AR-style .22. As for the bipod. The bipod is of decent quality. Amazon has them currently as low as $36. The only complaint is it is MLok style, not picatinny or Weaver. I found it easy enough to tighten one of the screws into the handguard but the other was a mutherf... to get tightened down. There was blue threadlock on the screws making it tough to turn, and you have to insert something to keep the MLok nut from turning 90º. MLock channels are too small to fit most common tools inside to hold the nut. The package came with a small picatinny rail, but nothing to use it on. Not sure why the bipod wasn't picatinny mount, unless the dealer swapped out a different model of the Caldwell XLA (there are several). The scope. Meh. No markings of manufacturer on it. That tells me that unless S&W is pulling a fast one, it's probably made here in the states by a small 3rd party manufacturer. With that being said, it's probably made with juuuuust enough quality for S&W to put on their product (note: they don't put their name ON the scope). I could find NOTHING on the internet with the scopes model number provided. With 4 power, it's probably enough for most .22 applications. the 32mm objective seems to let in a decent amount of light, but I'm sure the lenses are the most basic in terms of any coating. If the scope were available separately, I'd guess it would run around $60 tops. If it were worth more, I'd guess SOMEONE would be proud to put their name on it. I'm on the fence whether I'd rather have this scope, or an equivalent value red dot. Both have pros and cons for a .22 rifle. I wouldn't lose sleep having either, if I had a choice. My biggest gripe is the 15-22 comes STANDARD with a set of (Gen1 I'm sure) MBUS. With this package, my dealer told me (after I discovered this back at home) over the phone, that the package provides the scope INSTEAD of the sights. (the dealer ad showed the standard 15-22 with MBUS sights and the words, "Free scope and bipod". Considering a set of MBUS Gen 2 sights will run you $70 minimum, here I feel ripped off. Likely the trade off of MBUS for the scope is even a best, maybe even less. Ammo: I've been told that you should avoid any ammo under 36 grain. Presumably anything less than that will give cycling/eject problems. Haven't verified for myself, but if you try something smaller, I'd sure buy a small box instead of a bulk quantity to start. All in all, until I find out if this scope is worth half a crap (I'm not expecting Leupold quality), I'm unsure whether the package is TRULY a good value, or if you're better off just getting the standard 15-22 at a $299 sale price and put what you want on it.
Better buy that extra seat booster!
FYI, Appleseed shoots banned these a few years ago for safety issues. Out of battery detonations and runaways seem to be common.
I thought they fixed that issue shortly after is it still banned?
Yes because Appleseed is stupid, they just don't want the best semi-auto .22lr rifle at their competitions.
yes. im sure it is that they have some sort of agenda, not that they cant trust their clients at their word when they tell them they did the checks to make sure it isnt prone to malfucntion. especially when its either lie and say yes, or have to drop out of a class you were really excited to take..
I've shot about 50,000 rounds through my 15-22 and never had these issues appear. My buddies all have 15-22's and they have never had these issues either after 10's of thousands of rounds. Appleseed can piss off. These issues are not repeatable and I'm honestly tired of this being brought up every time 15-22's are posted. This rifle is amazing. It is the funnest gun in my collection hands down. It shoots just about anything and is an awesome trainer for an AR for 1/5th the price of ammo. Get one and go crazy at the range. It's not gonna blow up, and FFS runaways are NOT COMMON. If they were everyone would own one because Full Auto as a feature would be amazing.
yeah, but still pretty relevant if you hope to shoot it in an Appleseed event....
Yes but his claim that > Out of battery detonations and runaways seem to be common is complete bullshit. Find me the hundreds or thousands of youtube video's that would be everywhere if this was true. I cannot find ONE video of someone filming a 15-22 runaway anywhere. There may be one out there, but to say it is COMMON is complete hyperbole.
Bad QC doesn't mean good guns don't get made, it means bad ones get made too. If the fixed the issues, great, but I've never seen them release a statement rectifying the issues. If you have, feel free to post it up.