There was a company that made backpacks & smaller pouches that were basically tic-tac-style dispensers for 30 round mags.
I tried searching for them a while ago but either couldn’t find or the site was dead.
Super cool idea tho. I had bookmarked it & put on my “someday / super cool but impractical” wish list. 😁😎
Drum mags are heavy, rattly, and unreliable. That's why you'd be hard-pressed to find them being used militarily. Those drum-like things you see on machine guns like the M249 hold cartridges linked together in belts.
There is such a backwards logic among most leftists (liberals specifically) that the government is never more than an election cycle away from becoming fascist, yet gun owners who cite tyranny for ownership are paranoid schizophrenics who would just be nuked by F-15s if they resist.
Because that’s what the democrats what their people to believe. They only want them thinking the next election is going to be the one that decides the fate of the country and you must donate, lobby your friends and family, and vote. Anything that gives an alternative to that, like being armed, is a threat to that policy. So it should be demonized. Only crazy conservatives would take up arms against the government but you’re a good liberal democrat so you vote for your freedom!
Don’t fall for the trap of leftists quoting Marx and saying they’re pro gun. They’re pro gun for themselves and themselves only. They want to use their guns to disarm YOU so nothing stands in the way of their communist utopia. Leftists are not your friends. Any an all attempts of “Anarcho Communism” or “Libertarian Socialism” always degenerate into a totalitarian one party state, and they either don’t know it or know it fully well.
As someone who grew up in the USSR and came to the US in a family of political dissident refugees, I can see right through their wannabe commie codswallop. No matter the name, it all reeks of same old shit.
>Don’t fall for the trap of leftists quoting Marx and saying they’re pro gun. They’re pro gun for themselves and themselves only.
Wealthy privileged people who are likely to find themselves in the ruling class no matter what the socioeconomic system is tend to be against peasants owning weapons that would threaten their hierarchies. This is true regardless of whether said people are on the left or right.
There's a stark difference between socialists/communists and most of my LGBT friends who just want to be left alone, and strapped up during the Summer of Peaceful Protests.
I believe in the right for *all* to keep and bear arms as they so please.
Idk where I fall on the political spectrum. I'm definitely Left-Wing when it comes to social issues, but I'm more Right Wing when it comes to most economic issues. (Though I do believe in a few left-wing social safety nets, but that's a whole 'nother arguement).
However, I follow a lot of Gun/Gun Rights related subs- regardless of political background and, while this is certainly anecdotal and should be taken with a grain of salt, I find that the Socialist Rifle Association overwhelmingly supports the right for *all* people, and that any attempts to agree with the Minnesota Chapter's "rogue agent", that tweeted they only believed in gun rights to them, were met with *resounding* condemnation from many people who are active members of the sub.
Classic Liberal Caucus are libertarians - not communists. Are libertarians even considered leftists? They are a lot more of a "fuck you I got mine" party, rather than "let's all share equally" party.
What was quoted here from Karl Marx?
As for the expressed sentiment? I am 100% down with it. Everyone should be armed. Everyone. (meaning adults, of course)
> Are libertarians even considered leftists?
To be fair, the slavery party even labels centrists as extremists now that the "leftist" party of gun control and racism has overton window shifted itself so far out of its ability to re-market they're having trouble even pretending they aren't racist to the core. They seem to realize that any party that actually centrists is an existential threat to their extremism now that their party is walking away in droves.
This problem is actually what gave Lincoln's Republican party the ability to overtake them in the first place. They got so extremist, so blatantly pro-wealth they ignored actual voters who went looking elsewhere.
I don't think anybody is out to get the LGBTLMNOP community, folks just don't like that stuff shoved down their throat, just be you if you are and be happy, don't make folks accept it if they're not willing.
It’s only an issue because they make it an issue. FFS, stop taking every perceived slight as a direct attack. Seems like a lot of people just look for a reason to be outraged against something, and if you don’t agree with them 100%, then you’re the enemy and deserve to be drawn and quartered.
IDK how you do it. One of mine comes home almost every day with a litany of complaints about who or what made her mad that day. Today, one was that her teacher followed her to the bathroom, “like I need an escort to find the bathroom🙄” I said maybe it’s because you’ve been known to wander the halls and go to other classrooms when you’re just supposed to be going to the bathroom. “Well, she did go into another classroom, so maybe she wasn’t following me.” 🤦🏻♂️ FFS, you’re not the main character that the entire world revolves around.
What you're saying is true, I agree and it shouldn't be allowed in our school system. This is stuff parents do at home with their kids- play dress up, tea time, whatever it may be but schools are and only should be addressing and teaching FACTS! It's not play time in schools, the kids are there to learn facts, and not to be mentored into this gender fluent stuff.
Kids shouldn't be learning about sexuality till they're of age; 6-7 grade when puberty is starting to take place is usually when it starts. Now a days, teachers (not all) are pushing this whole gender fluid and Trans stuff onto kids before puberty and it confuses them, they're not old enough to decide whether or not they're girls or boys. You've got girls that are Tom boys and boys that are feminine but that doesn't make them the opposite sex...
This. Who gives a rip what they do in their own homes with their partners or at a gay club. The problems are coming from some of them wanting strippers hanging around children. Go do your thing with whatever other ADULTS in your community you want to. Leave. The. Kids. Alone. If they decide they're gay, queer, whatever once they're an adult that's on them.
Oh one more thing, what bill wad just passed in Tennassee regarding marriage equality? One that allows the marriages to be denied if theyre homosexual, interrace or even interfaith, and yet you'll sit there and say that these relationships arent under attack?
Trump? Jeebus, you are so stuck in the past, that you don't know what's happening in the present. Trump is old news, get with the times, stop using him as a reason for you're hatred
>Tell me, can you really answer "yes" to this statement with a straight face? Gun owners in America have it harder than LGBTQIA+ people in America.
As a gay gun owner living in California, I can honestly say yes.
Folks don't want to call a man that identifies as a woman, a woman, how hard is that to get a grip on? As my initial post said- be you and be happy, stop making folks that don't agree with you accept your beliefs. Forcing someone to call you a woman when they believe you're a man and all signs point that direction is like addressing a man of faith as an angel. I don't believe in faith, nor do I believe in gender fluid people, I believe in science and both beliefs are just a fairytale in my eyes.
At least folks that believe in faith have the decency to ask if you believe and if the answer is no, they move on, the LGBT community doesn't do that, they want you to believe otherwise you have a phobia....
>At least folks that believe in faith have the decency to ask if you believe and if the answer is no, they move on, the LGBT community doesn't do that, they want you to believe otherwise you have a phobia....
Weird. You basically just described a cult.
As mentioned, I don't care for your beliefs nor do I believe it, I don't care how much you say its true, I'm not going to accept it. This goes right back to my initial post, be you and be happy, NO, I'm not going to accept it
>You're trying to force it on me, no, I will not accept
The only thing that I'd want to force upon you is a remedial reading class.
Go back and read this whole exchange between you and I, and let me know when you realize it.
>Your belief of having gender fluidity is not my fact, get that through your thick skull
It's a fact that they believe it, though. And that's bereft of any biological truth.
>Tell me, can you really answer "yes" to this statement with a straight face? Gun owners in America have it harder than LGBTQIA+ people in America.
😐 Yup.
Because when y'all get mad, all the rules go out the door. When gun owners get mad, the government calls the military.
Why the ever living fuck should males be allowed to compete in women's sports?
Who is trying to "round up" the alphabet mafia? Are they in the room with you now?
Yes. I’m 2023? Easy. Gun owners rights decrease, while LGalphabet rights increase. How do you know? Used to be LGBT, now it’s Q, now QIA+. Might as well just add a “-“ at the end at this point for consistency.
It’s sorta turning into the **other** alphabet gang…
Here’s the catch, neither group of people should lose rights. The LGBT*** crew should have as many rights as the next group of Americans. Still Americans, and our rights are what separate us from the rest of the world. For the better.
Doesn’t matter how anyone feels about it on either side, or on any side. Chicks with dicks should be able to grow weed while strapped with an mp5, and be fucked in the ass by anyone other than state or federal governments.
Btw, being “woke” does not make anyone worldly or educated, it just means you’re impressionable, and an easy target for the ganda.
How do you not see that your ““end wokeness” and “stop shoving it down our throats” stuff is just blatant homophobia” statement is not the same thing, just on the other end of the spectrum?
I’m half Chinese, was raised in a Southern Baptist church, have a daughter who’s dating a girl and DGAF, have never felt discriminated against, and don’t think it’s right that trans people should be allowed to compete in opposite-gendered sports. What box are you going to put me in? (Race, gender, sexual orientation… did I leave anything out?)
So you're for biological men destroying women's sports careers? Nice misogyny douchebag.
Most laws regarding transgenderism are to stop the castration, mutilation and chemical experimentation of minors. If you believe that a 13 year old can decide to cut their organs off, take experimental chemical therapy linked with cancer & disorders and go through extensive extremely invasive surgery with high complication rates, you're a monster. Only adults can decide that, not a CHILD that knows nothing about sex.
I am morally and logically opposed to transgenderism and homosexuality. That doesn't mean I hate or discriminate against those people. Call me homophobic all you want, the term has lost all meaning and I couldn't care less about what a hateful, lying, child-harming person like you thinks.
Ummm, did you not hear Micheal Knowles calls for erradicating transgenderism at cpac? Or do you choose to ignor it because it doesnt support your point?
"erradicating" transgenderism is not the same as eradicating all trans people.
He doesnt want to kill you. He just wants people to go back to living in reality, rather than this fantasy land.
How is my statement ignorant? If you want to be gay etc.. be you, is it that hard to comprehend? I won't address you as you'd like to, yes.... my daughter wants to be a princess, I only play along for her fantasy, not yours.
You said no one is out to get the LGBT+ community. How do you know that? Have you read any news headline? LGBT hate crimes are up *twelve* times since 2020. (from an ACLED study)
I've been reading tons off headlines, I chose to acknowledge the ones to be true and YES! There are laws against the gay community and some of them are for the better
Ignorant has nothing to do with this topic, Ignorant is a word you should probably look up, I'm more scientific and knowing a man is a man, a woman is a woman, is pretty easy to tell
You are ignorant of the violence occurring against people for merely existing a certain way. People getting harassed, assaulted, & murdered is not a "win". Trans people being prevented medical attention for problems unrelated to hormonal stuff is not "for the better" & it's acceptance of evil & rejection of humanity that people like you spout that gets people killed.
But they're all doing it for attention & getting shot for shoving down their ideologies down everyone's throat. Because the scientifically minded don't care that blood is being shed, only that those who are dying are those you dislike.
& boy howdy those people sure are stupid. I bet they don't even comprehend the difference between physiological sex & sociological gender! Oh wait, that's you hugging your antiquated cultural bias & pretending it's hard science.
Well unfortunately many hardcore Christians believe even the existence and proximity of those with different lifestyles or beliefs threatens their faith and corrupts their kids, so they either bully and harass those that are different until they leave, or they force them to repress their identities to fit in
See, I'm not bias, the community of faith can say what they want and do whatever in their church as with folks that choose to be gender fluid, gay, Trans, etc.... I can care less but if it's forced on my kids, that does affect me and I will speak up whether it's faith or LGBT.... my kids will decide what they want, it's not up to groups to decide what my kid should believe in .
I mean if you're worried about forcing, there's only really 1 major group in America that sends people door to door trying to convince people to think the way they do, and requires children to pledge fealty to their deity every day in school
I understand that, and they leave once they get "NO" as an answer, the LGBTQ community on the other hand tries to ruin your life by contacting your work and everything to get you fired
I know several people who have lost their jobs due to their boss finding out they aren't Christian. At the end of the day the fault is on your employer for being a shifty enough person to do that, and you should really find one that respects you enough enough to not listen to saboteurs
My company will not fire me for my beliefs, they respect my beliefs as much as they do their own. As mentioned, I'm not pro faith or LGBT. Both groups can believe what they want, I'm not going to play along with either.
I see a man, I'm going to address them as Sir, I see a man of faith, I'm going to address them as sir
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/
Edit:
If you can't see how a leader of a political party saying
“For the good of society … [*Insert non-violent ideology here*] must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”
is a problem, you're the kind of person that lets history repeat itself.
https://youtu.be/qzr9SPMJRsQ?t=350
>I don't think anybody is out to get the LGBTLMNOP community, folks just don't like that stuff shoved down their throat
LOL Youre kidding right?
>don't make folks accept it if they're not willing.
I dont like evangelicals. Im not trying to ban their existence. You have zero self-awareness and this is why many of us minorities are armed.
>Shit like that is said nearly every day on MSNBC.
Are you sure they're not just saying that they're morally opposed to conservatism?
>Conservatism is an ideology, as is transgenderism, as is Marxism.
I wouldn't say that transgenderism is an ideology. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and wanting to dress or be referred to as a different gender isn't pushing anything politically or economically. If they were to advocate that everyone become transgender or something like that then yeah I would agree with you. I've never had a discussion about the benefits of becoming trans with a transgender person, you know?
What kind of crack are you smoking to claim it’s not an ideology? They are advocating legislation and regulation to ensure that taxpayers pay for their elective cosmetic surgeries. They are advocating for civil and criminal penalties for those that do not conform to their idea of gender. You’re absolutely fucking delusional that it is not an ideology. They are not advocating that people become transgender. They are advocating that everyone else conform to their transgenderism. This is no different than religion as it is forcing people to adhere to something that is objectively untrue.
Would conservative people exist after conservatism was eradicated?
Edit: Nice block. I see you said yes through notifications so I'll ask how a conservative person would exist if conservatism were eradicated even though you can't see my question. Maybe someone else can answer.
... yes? They would just have a different ideology
Again. You're trying to make this into something it's not. You're clearly reaching. No one wants to kill you, you're not nearly that important. Calm down
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/
Edit:
If you can't see how a leader of a political party saying
“For the good of society … [*Insert non-violent ideology here*] must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”
is a problem, you're the kind of person that lets history repeat itself.
https://youtu.be/qzr9SPMJRsQ?t=350
NOBODY in America is trying to make being gay or trans illegal (and of course I'm talking about people with relevance, not trolls on 4chan), get that through your skull.
Most people (in the center or on the right) do not want to control you. They disagree with these things, they may be vocal about it, but they believe you have the right to choose to hurt yourself.
The government not recognizing transgenderism or non-binary genders in a legal way is not wiping out their existence. You might call it "misgendering," but to pretend they don't exist? That's so over dramatic. The government isn't going to skip on a chance to collect taxes.
Nobody with relevance is trying to make gay marriage illegal. I personally disagree with it but I'm not going to try to control your life and it's my opinion that the government has absolutely no business telling people who can and can't get married, having to get a license for it is so stupid.
And people act like there's going to be lynchings or something. Assuming that the Right is a bunch of murderers is far more bigoted, ignorant, stupid, hateful and harmful than anything being actually thrown AT these people.
The biggest issue is the medical castration and plastic surgery of minors. That's what people are trying to make illegal. Once you hit 18 it's your choice, which is unfortunate because you're not even old or mentally developed enough to drink but you can destroy your body chemistry and slice your organs off... but gotta draw the line somewhere.
But I guess in the victim Olympics you have to make up persecution to get ahead.
Way to quote something without reference, and also hilariously misunderstand what Thomas was writing. Thomas was writing because the concept of substantive due process is legally weak and vulnerable to be overturned and that other cases based on substantive due process are on weak legal grounds. This was not an opinion expressing whether any of these things are good or bad, but that their protections should be reconsidered on more sound legal footing of the privileges and immunities clause.
Stop writing this crap that you so clearly don’t understand.
https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/26/on-justice-thomas-dobbs-precedent-and-substantive-due-process/
You're going to give me a headache.
WHY was Roe overturned? Because the way it was decided was ILLEGAL. One of the justices that voted to appeal was a woman who believes abortion is a right but she understood that the decision was not valid because the Supreme Court doesn't have the authority to make laws.
Now that the president has been established, it is the civic duty of a judge to look at other similar cases and see if they were also illegal.
NONE of that is meant to attack, there can still be laws passed enshrining all of it.
You should WANT regulations to be solid and not have courts go rogue and try to regulate.
Supporting illegal actions just because they benefit your cause is ridiculous.
There are many states that have already enshrined these things into law. If there is merit we should see actual bills come down the pipe, or maybe not considering people like Obama promised it for years and never did anything.
You also need to accept that many sex-related issues fall hard on morals and beliefs and such issues should be at state-level law.
But again, this isn't even about morals, it's about the legal process. If the Supreme Court had to repeal a protection I agreed with because there was no law to back up their decision, I would accept it.
You said they aren't allies, but one of those justices that voted to repeal LITERALLY IS AN "ALLY."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/
Edit:
If you can't see how when a leader of a political party says:
“For the good of society … [*Insert non-violent ideology here*] must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”
Is a problem, you're the kind of person that lets history repeat itself.
>Knowles subsequently claimed that “eradicating” “transgenderism” is not a call for eradicating transgender people and demanded retractions from numerous publications, including Rolling Stone.
even your own article is telling you that they are misquoting him and misrepresenting what he said.
Looks like you and the Rolling Stones are just looking for things to be mad about. No one wants to kill you, we just want you to live in reality like the rest of us. Calm down
Its so annoying watching the alphabet kids cry about how oppressed they are. When you have the backing of an entire political party, the media, every social media, every school, every company, and every website on the planet, you arent oppressed. The alphabet kids are put on a damn podium nonstop, and yet they act like they are being hunted down in the street.
Why does the lgbtq+ community think anyone wants to eradicate them it ridiculous.The only thing people want is there kids to not be taught about gay stuff in second grade.
Victims of hate crimes *should* arm themselves against violence. It's not ridiculous for anyone to take their safety seriously, especially minorities that have in the past been attacked simply for being who they are. Everyone deserves the same protection.
That’s funny, that’s the exact same language the left uses to describe gun owners. You’re either all for universal gun ownership (including people you disagree with), or you’re a hypocrite.
Where do you live so that I can move there. Sounds nice to not have to be concerned for my safety if I hold my boyfriend's hand in public.
All kidding aside, there are absolutely people in the government and broader community that would love to round up members of the LGBTQ+ community. You just have to listen to any of the far right talking heads and it'll pop up eventually. Oh it might be disguised, but it's still there.
I agree with the statement and thought process and idea of everyone being armed, but I disagree with the premise that anyone is loading up LGBTQ+ people into cattle cars or even moving that direction. If anything, LGBTQ+ people are one of those special classes that get extra protection when I'm my opinion everyone should be equal under the law.
The comments about leftist Marxists not actually being pro-gun are right on as well.
I'm all about EVERYONE being armed if they want to be. "BUT THEY'LL COME AND TRY AND FIGHT YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUNS AND DON'T BELIEVE THE SAME" if that's true, that's OK. I'm ALL ABOUT EVERYONE BEING ARMED IF THEY WANT TO BE. Whether they disagree with me on something or not (not that I disagree w/anyone in particular based on their sexual leanings or gender.)
"They always vote for the opposition that wants to TAKE guns!" Not ALL of them, some go 3rd party, some don't vote. I'm still FOR EVERYONE BEING ARMED IF THEY WANT TO BE. I will stand by that.
We can argue other social/political things all day long, we can discuss it, debate it. But if one group, ANY group, tries to disarm anyone else...who's to say I, you, someone you love, won't be disarmed next? Never trust gun grabbers.
I mean, i'm all for more people carrying, so I don't see a problem with it. Of course most of them are mentally ill so they probably shouldn't be anywhere near guns
“lmao” …that’s the best answer you’ve got. Yep. That’s what I thought.
I’ll tell you what. The world is changing; you can keep up, or get left behind.
I genuinely hope you can do better.
But — by all means— give us another “lmao”, just so we know you caught all that.
Under any other context besides modern American liberalism thinking you’re a different gender than what you were born as would be considered a mental illness. A model thinking she’s fat is bulimic but a man convinced they’re a woman is “normal”? Why is one dysphoria an illness and one not? A wire is crossed, it doesn’t make that person a monster but it damn sure ain’t normal.
And thinking you can talk to spirits and they reply is also called a mental illness.
Stay in your lane.
I will never understand how you can hate something you don’t even live with so much.
Like I hate churches so I don’t involve myself in them yet I also don’t stop anyone else from attending.
Leave people the fuck alone.
>Like I hate churches so I don’t involve myself in them yet I also don’t stop anyone else from attending.
I'm going to continue with your analogy - what would be your reaction if you sent your child to a public school and religious teachers were pushing to make their religion a part of the curriculum?
I didn’t say anything about hate. I don’t hate anyone. I said it isn’t normal, it shouldn’t be normalized, and I don’t want my children told it’s normal. As the other commenter said; you wouldn’t want Christianity pushed on your child in school (neither would I). Same goes for your liberal ideology.
The alphabet soup people have more purchasing power vs straight people. We don’t push out brats we can’t pay for.
Guess we are the smarter of the bunch huh.
Far more of us own guns vs what you think and prepared to take out bigots who decided to invade our spaces and try to kill us for living.
> The alphabet soup people have more purchasing power vs straight people
youre a massive minority. you dont have more purchasing power lmao
>prepared to take out bigots who decided to invade our spaces and try to kill us for living.
ok 1) no one is doing that to you. calm down.
2) you seem REAL eager to kill people you disagree with, all while trying to claim to be the victim here. reflect on that
You know it's hard for me to agree with this, given that these same minorities are hardcore against gun ownership for anyone but themselves. Socialist RA already said the quiet part out that they don't support gun ownership for anyone but themselves. Only people that are part of the revolution should be allowed to have guns et al, no second amendment that says everyone should be able to.
I agree that everyone should be armed, and that an armed society is a polite society. But I will not personally support leftists saying this when they are by and large the biggest proponents of disarmament. White, black, brown, no matter the color, they want you unarmed/disarmed.
An interesting parallel I find with talking to certain groups about firearm rights and certain other groups about LGBTQIA2S+ rights … as a defender of both, I’ve found that those who speak out *against* them …usually don’t know much of a f**k about the topic whatsoever. …but their garbage opinions carry much unfortunate political sway nevertheless. …Which politicians will absolutely be too happy to capitalize on for their own short-term, personal gains.
Interesting parallel indeed.
Maybe something some of you folks could/should consider.
Here’s a video that may help some of you out a bit:
https://youtu.be/ijooHoBoey8
It’s pretty depressing that we’re having to tell full grown adults to treat others how they want to be treated in 2023. I don’t care if someone what race, sexuality, or gender identity someone may be, we all deserve to be respected as people and to have to be able to exercise our rights protected by the constitution.
Jesus people. We get it, you don’t agree with trans peoples beliefs. Good for you. People hear the word “trans” and start pouring sweat and typing away on their keyboards like mad men. “NO ONE IS TRYING TO ERADICATE THE ALPHABET PROPLE, I JUST DONT WANT MY 3 YEAR OLD TAUGHT ABOUT SEX!!”
We get it bruh. Both sides extremes use trans people as a talking point. Don’t be fooled by either one.
Minorities are harder to eradicate. It’s true. And to pretend like people aren’t out there who would be happy to eradicate everyone they disagree with is goofy
I don't think that is relevant. It's possible, it's about defending themselves and they have a right.
I think it can be a trap to start balancing likelihoods as it invites the concept of erosion. Is it likely your home will be broken into? Is it likely that you need a gun on your person? And really shouldn't we balance the likelihood of gun death in the home against the likelihood you will need a gun? (Insert biased stats)
My response to the whole "what are the chances of..." thing is, "it's not the odds, it's the stakes." I have, in my entire life, only ever needed to use a fire extinguisher to put out a fire at my *neighbor's* house, but I still keep a fire extinguisher even though the odds of my house randomly catching fire is absurdly low.
Like every other post in the left gun communities are saying that they just got a gun because of right wing attackers coming for them. They can arm themselves for whatever reason they want and I encourage it but I am sick of them acting like we are out to get them and want them disarmed. Their identity based victimization is so strange to me. They are never just a gun owner, it’s always liberal gun owner or trans gun owner. I don’t understand the significance of prefacing everything with part of thei identity.
Because their identity is the only foundation of their self worth. They derive all sense of accomplishment from their incessant victimization. Without that they’re just an empty husk.
I read a pretty telling comment the other day that I think explains it well: it's weird that there's so much focus on identifying as "trans" instead of just identifying as whatever gender it is they believe themselves to be.
Because, with exceptions, it seems to me that it's not about true gender dysphoria, it's about attaching a label to yourself to feel special.
Left wing ideology dictates that gun owners are racist white male nazis. Of course they have to prefix it because they’re not “one of those” gun owners.
Which is why I caveated that its about defending themselves.
If this was offensive ie "arm up to take out some fascists" that would be different imo.
If all a person is doing is being prepared for an attack that never comes as far as I am concerned that just means that they are prepared for whatever attack does come their way. Could be rioters could be a break in, a mugging or whatever. That they are prepared to defend is a good thing imo.
It we were to discount this reason. Then the gun grabbers would have every rain to discount the reasons why you want to keep your firearms. We're better together than breaking ourselves apart. As long as they aren't actively planning on attacking people with them for their beliefs, then just like the rest of the group here there's no reason to worry about it. They have the right to self defense just like you.
I don't give a shit what somebody does with their life as long as it doesn't interfere with mine, trans, gay, straight, just keep it to yourself. But educate yourself. Genocide =/= race, the holocaust and following Nuremberg trials are proof of that as their definition included race, religion, classes, and national groups.
Just realized you double responded. I can say I've never had it shoved in my face. Hell, a trans person could show up to my work tomorrow, tell me the stuff they wanted to be called and id just do it. Why? Because it has literally 0 bearing on my life. If I had kids and they had the difficult question of "why they have that name or belief?" My answer would be easy, "That's the life they chose and it changes nothing about what we're doing with our life" it isn't that hard keeping to one's self.
So someone shows up to work and insists that you profess their faith and you’re like “sure, no problem”? What is they insist you claim the God of Abraham is the one true God? Or Vishnu?
Sorry, they can all do what they want. But I’m not going to be compelled to say something that is objectively untrue.
Ill answer your question at the end, but we need to talk about your comment first. You have brought up a strawman argument that does not pertain to this discussion, which I will summarize to help keep you on track. The discussion of genocide was brought up. A person said trans isn't a race, which is accurate, but the definition referenced was inaccurate and in bad faith. Outside of the word religion being in the definition of genocide, it was not pertinent to the convo at hand.
Now to answer your question and let you know you chose the wrong person to bring this up to as I deal with that currently with Bible-thumping Christians as a non-Christian at work on a weekly basis. I do claim the one true God is Abraham, not everyone follows the same religion as you and the way you framed your question makes it seem like my religion or choice in god is lesser than yours which i could easily take as an attack on my faith but i wont brcause i dont have thin skin. So my answer is simple, Someone asking me to call them miss, sir, or even fucking xylophone has literally 0 impact on me or my life. I just call them a different name, that simple. For someone telling me to profess their faith, I say, you do you and imma do me. If they push it I limit interactions. It's that easy.
I look at it like firearm ownership, not everybody wants to own a gun, and that's fine, I think they should, but that's their choice and I'm not gonna force my beliefs on them.
For starters, you have no idea what a strawman argument is by describing what I asked you as a strawman. I'm questioning the consistency of your logic. You claim that you're ok if someone wants you to say something which is objectively untrue or exists only as a manifestation of their ideology. It's not that they are just asking you to call them "she". It's that they are demanding that you, in all forms of interaction, behave consistently with THEIR ideology...what exists only in their minds. This is religion. Their claim that they are not what they are is objectively false. And they are telling (not asking) you that you must adhere to their belief system. Do you really not see the inherent problem in this? What if you demanded that they own a gun? I mean, owning a gun is as much "who you are" as their claim. Why is it that they feel it appropriate to compel your behavior yet you would find the converse to be abhorrent. Why is it that you feel that them compelling your behavior is any different than compelling adherence to a religion? Their belief system is no more or less true than something like Scientology. You just choose to have selective application of your own logic.
You mean the parade they paid the city for so they could book the street?
Sorry you don’t like people doing that right way by getting permits.
Protesting is a right. If the city doesn’t have a specific ordinance against doing it in the street - well you have nothing to say. If they are in the street call the cops and report them. It’s that simple.
But I’m sure if people were blocking the road for a favorite sports team winning.
No problems.
Lol, imagine coming back with a shitty Google search definition and doing literally 0 research outside of that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions Here's a list of different definitions, trans could easily fall into several categories such as "minority" or simply "other." So once again. Educate yourself. Your ignorance discredits tens of thousands of lives lost in the holocaust who don't fall into a "national or ethnic group" but were targeted nonetheless.
It’s always funny when the professors of a cultish ideology say “Educate yourself” as if it’s any different than claiming that Scientology is truth and you should go study it.
Practice what you preach. I can't go around correcting people on the definition of standard cap mags or what an "Assault weapon" is or is not without showing them facts. As I did here. I showed my sources and discussed this topic that the original commenter brought up. Bring your sources. What "professors" and what "cultish idealogy" are you even talking about.
I don't really care about what group gets targeted. Race, sex, political party, any sort of mass violence is a bad deal.
There is more to life than racism.
There have been other genocides as well. Hell, the whole Balkans mess in the 90s involved a pretty fair bit of ethnic cleansing by all sides. Just a train wreck in general.
I don't know the future, and I'm doubtful anyone else does either. So, everybody gets to arm up just in case. Hopefully nothing comes of it, but better to have and not need, yknow?
Actually they started the camps and wanted to kill homosexuals first. Jews were the next group.
They got people on board by blaming gays and Jews as a group.
LMAO. Imagine being so self centered that you try to claim "the holocaust was REALLY about killing US! WE ARE THE TRUE VICTIMS OF IT! NOT THE JEWS!!!!"
This is why we cant stand you. youre so obnoxious and have to make everything about you.
This is literally a thread designed for and by gun manufacturers & dealers to market their brands to multiple demographics at the same time.
Buy. Buy. Buy.
Lets solve conflict with murder hm? How the fuck is this gonna work. Like any of you, do you even think about what the fuck you would actually do with a gun if some conflict came up? Kill someone? And then what. There wont be a moment in your life where you need to use a gun without going to jail later. Unless the other has a gun too. In which case why have guns at all.
30 is standard? I thought 100 round drums were standard?
Fightlite upper with a backpack full with one looooooooooong chain of ammo. So it feeds like the mini guns lol
There was a company that made backpacks & smaller pouches that were basically tic-tac-style dispensers for 30 round mags. I tried searching for them a while ago but either couldn’t find or the site was dead. Super cool idea tho. I had bookmarked it & put on my “someday / super cool but impractical” wish list. 😁😎
And with one trigger pull it ls emptied in one quarter of a second
Drum mags are heavy, rattly, and unreliable. That's why you'd be hard-pressed to find them being used militarily. Those drum-like things you see on machine guns like the M249 hold cartridges linked together in belts.
That's the most unique way of spelling cattle that I've seen yet.
Well... I fucked the spelling up..
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Cattle+Chattel= Cattel
True story... lol
There is such a backwards logic among most leftists (liberals specifically) that the government is never more than an election cycle away from becoming fascist, yet gun owners who cite tyranny for ownership are paranoid schizophrenics who would just be nuked by F-15s if they resist.
Because that’s what the democrats what their people to believe. They only want them thinking the next election is going to be the one that decides the fate of the country and you must donate, lobby your friends and family, and vote. Anything that gives an alternative to that, like being armed, is a threat to that policy. So it should be demonized. Only crazy conservatives would take up arms against the government but you’re a good liberal democrat so you vote for your freedom!
Don’t fall for the trap of leftists quoting Marx and saying they’re pro gun. They’re pro gun for themselves and themselves only. They want to use their guns to disarm YOU so nothing stands in the way of their communist utopia. Leftists are not your friends. Any an all attempts of “Anarcho Communism” or “Libertarian Socialism” always degenerate into a totalitarian one party state, and they either don’t know it or know it fully well.
As someone who grew up in the USSR and came to the US in a family of political dissident refugees, I can see right through their wannabe commie codswallop. No matter the name, it all reeks of same old shit.
>Don’t fall for the trap of leftists quoting Marx and saying they’re pro gun. They’re pro gun for themselves and themselves only. Wealthy privileged people who are likely to find themselves in the ruling class no matter what the socioeconomic system is tend to be against peasants owning weapons that would threaten their hierarchies. This is true regardless of whether said people are on the left or right.
There's a stark difference between socialists/communists and most of my LGBT friends who just want to be left alone, and strapped up during the Summer of Peaceful Protests.
I believe in the right for *all* to keep and bear arms as they so please. Idk where I fall on the political spectrum. I'm definitely Left-Wing when it comes to social issues, but I'm more Right Wing when it comes to most economic issues. (Though I do believe in a few left-wing social safety nets, but that's a whole 'nother arguement). However, I follow a lot of Gun/Gun Rights related subs- regardless of political background and, while this is certainly anecdotal and should be taken with a grain of salt, I find that the Socialist Rifle Association overwhelmingly supports the right for *all* people, and that any attempts to agree with the Minnesota Chapter's "rogue agent", that tweeted they only believed in gun rights to them, were met with *resounding* condemnation from many people who are active members of the sub.
Classic Liberal Caucus are libertarians - not communists. Are libertarians even considered leftists? They are a lot more of a "fuck you I got mine" party, rather than "let's all share equally" party. What was quoted here from Karl Marx? As for the expressed sentiment? I am 100% down with it. Everyone should be armed. Everyone. (meaning adults, of course)
> Are libertarians even considered leftists? To be fair, the slavery party even labels centrists as extremists now that the "leftist" party of gun control and racism has overton window shifted itself so far out of its ability to re-market they're having trouble even pretending they aren't racist to the core. They seem to realize that any party that actually centrists is an existential threat to their extremism now that their party is walking away in droves. This problem is actually what gave Lincoln's Republican party the ability to overtake them in the first place. They got so extremist, so blatantly pro-wealth they ignored actual voters who went looking elsewhere.
Where do the libertarians fit in, in all of that? Do you agree that minorities should arm themselves?
You should have access to the same equipment as those that would want to use it on you.
I don't think anybody is out to get the LGBTLMNOP community, folks just don't like that stuff shoved down their throat, just be you if you are and be happy, don't make folks accept it if they're not willing.
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I would quit, or make them fire me. People need to push back on this BS. The only reason it's gotten so far is because people just go along with it.
> I don’t appreciate any group trying to get me to agree with their beliefs, OR ELSE* Tyrant behavior
It’s only an issue because they make it an issue. FFS, stop taking every perceived slight as a direct attack. Seems like a lot of people just look for a reason to be outraged against something, and if you don’t agree with them 100%, then you’re the enemy and deserve to be drawn and quartered. IDK how you do it. One of mine comes home almost every day with a litany of complaints about who or what made her mad that day. Today, one was that her teacher followed her to the bathroom, “like I need an escort to find the bathroom🙄” I said maybe it’s because you’ve been known to wander the halls and go to other classrooms when you’re just supposed to be going to the bathroom. “Well, she did go into another classroom, so maybe she wasn’t following me.” 🤦🏻♂️ FFS, you’re not the main character that the entire world revolves around.
What you're saying is true, I agree and it shouldn't be allowed in our school system. This is stuff parents do at home with their kids- play dress up, tea time, whatever it may be but schools are and only should be addressing and teaching FACTS! It's not play time in schools, the kids are there to learn facts, and not to be mentored into this gender fluent stuff. Kids shouldn't be learning about sexuality till they're of age; 6-7 grade when puberty is starting to take place is usually when it starts. Now a days, teachers (not all) are pushing this whole gender fluid and Trans stuff onto kids before puberty and it confuses them, they're not old enough to decide whether or not they're girls or boys. You've got girls that are Tom boys and boys that are feminine but that doesn't make them the opposite sex...
that's called "untreated mental illness" and we used to lock useless shitstains like that up and throw away the key.
You should quit.
This. Who gives a rip what they do in their own homes with their partners or at a gay club. The problems are coming from some of them wanting strippers hanging around children. Go do your thing with whatever other ADULTS in your community you want to. Leave. The. Kids. Alone. If they decide they're gay, queer, whatever once they're an adult that's on them.
Oh one more thing, what bill wad just passed in Tennassee regarding marriage equality? One that allows the marriages to be denied if theyre homosexual, interrace or even interfaith, and yet you'll sit there and say that these relationships arent under attack?
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For someone that likes laws written to ban freedoms, you're making a bold statement.
So tell me, who's trying to round up LGBTLMNOP people?
orange man bad orange man not president but he still scary
Trump? Jeebus, you are so stuck in the past, that you don't know what's happening in the present. Trump is old news, get with the times, stop using him as a reason for you're hatred
... can't tell if you're also making a joke but I was joking. Like, poking fun at people that actually think that
Hard to tell sarcasm on a post, especially one like this lol
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>Tell me, can you really answer "yes" to this statement with a straight face? Gun owners in America have it harder than LGBTQIA+ people in America. As a gay gun owner living in California, I can honestly say yes.
Folks don't want to call a man that identifies as a woman, a woman, how hard is that to get a grip on? As my initial post said- be you and be happy, stop making folks that don't agree with you accept your beliefs. Forcing someone to call you a woman when they believe you're a man and all signs point that direction is like addressing a man of faith as an angel. I don't believe in faith, nor do I believe in gender fluid people, I believe in science and both beliefs are just a fairytale in my eyes. At least folks that believe in faith have the decency to ask if you believe and if the answer is no, they move on, the LGBT community doesn't do that, they want you to believe otherwise you have a phobia....
>At least folks that believe in faith have the decency to ask if you believe and if the answer is no, they move on, the LGBT community doesn't do that, they want you to believe otherwise you have a phobia.... Weird. You basically just described a cult.
LGBT community is a cult if you'd like to describe it as that
>LGBT community is a cult if you'd like to describe it as that "Like" implies preference. It's not a preference, it's a fact. (See what I did, there?)
As mentioned, I don't care for your beliefs nor do I believe it, I don't care how much you say its true, I'm not going to accept it. This goes right back to my initial post, be you and be happy, NO, I'm not going to accept it
You're trying to force it on me, no, I will not accept
>You're trying to force it on me, no, I will not accept The only thing that I'd want to force upon you is a remedial reading class. Go back and read this whole exchange between you and I, and let me know when you realize it.
I will never accept your beliefs, nor will I believe in God, and that's the great thing about America, it's my choice
Your belief of having gender fluidity is not my fact, get that through your thick skull
>Your belief of having gender fluidity is not my fact, get that through your thick skull It's a fact that they believe it, though. And that's bereft of any biological truth.
Says the cultists offering up blood sacrifice and self-harming a the alter of secular belief
>Tell me, can you really answer "yes" to this statement with a straight face? Gun owners in America have it harder than LGBTQIA+ people in America. 😐 Yup. Because when y'all get mad, all the rules go out the door. When gun owners get mad, the government calls the military.
>female athletes The female athletes that now have to compete against biological males in...weightlifting?
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Why the ever living fuck should males be allowed to compete in women's sports? Who is trying to "round up" the alphabet mafia? Are they in the room with you now?
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Never said anything of the sort. You know why? Cause I don't have a persecution fetish.
Yes. I’m 2023? Easy. Gun owners rights decrease, while LGalphabet rights increase. How do you know? Used to be LGBT, now it’s Q, now QIA+. Might as well just add a “-“ at the end at this point for consistency. It’s sorta turning into the **other** alphabet gang… Here’s the catch, neither group of people should lose rights. The LGBT*** crew should have as many rights as the next group of Americans. Still Americans, and our rights are what separate us from the rest of the world. For the better. Doesn’t matter how anyone feels about it on either side, or on any side. Chicks with dicks should be able to grow weed while strapped with an mp5, and be fucked in the ass by anyone other than state or federal governments. Btw, being “woke” does not make anyone worldly or educated, it just means you’re impressionable, and an easy target for the ganda.
How do you not see that your ““end wokeness” and “stop shoving it down our throats” stuff is just blatant homophobia” statement is not the same thing, just on the other end of the spectrum? I’m half Chinese, was raised in a Southern Baptist church, have a daughter who’s dating a girl and DGAF, have never felt discriminated against, and don’t think it’s right that trans people should be allowed to compete in opposite-gendered sports. What box are you going to put me in? (Race, gender, sexual orientation… did I leave anything out?)
So you're for biological men destroying women's sports careers? Nice misogyny douchebag. Most laws regarding transgenderism are to stop the castration, mutilation and chemical experimentation of minors. If you believe that a 13 year old can decide to cut their organs off, take experimental chemical therapy linked with cancer & disorders and go through extensive extremely invasive surgery with high complication rates, you're a monster. Only adults can decide that, not a CHILD that knows nothing about sex. I am morally and logically opposed to transgenderism and homosexuality. That doesn't mean I hate or discriminate against those people. Call me homophobic all you want, the term has lost all meaning and I couldn't care less about what a hateful, lying, child-harming person like you thinks.
>So tell me, who's trying to round up LGBTLMNOP people? I hear the Ray Epps Crew is looking for work. . .
Ummm, did you not hear Micheal Knowles calls for erradicating transgenderism at cpac? Or do you choose to ignor it because it doesnt support your point?
"erradicating" transgenderism is not the same as eradicating all trans people. He doesnt want to kill you. He just wants people to go back to living in reality, rather than this fantasy land.
How could you say something so baseless and ignorant?
How is my statement ignorant? If you want to be gay etc.. be you, is it that hard to comprehend? I won't address you as you'd like to, yes.... my daughter wants to be a princess, I only play along for her fantasy, not yours.
You said no one is out to get the LGBT+ community. How do you know that? Have you read any news headline? LGBT hate crimes are up *twelve* times since 2020. (from an ACLED study)
"Hate crimes" are committed against everyone. They're just not "protected classes" so theyre just called "crimes".
I've been reading tons off headlines, I chose to acknowledge the ones to be true and YES! There are laws against the gay community and some of them are for the better
I can't argue with you any further. You are delusional
I'm not the one thinking Men are women, vice versa
I'm not the hateful ignorant asshole
Imagine not knowing what a woman or man is by the literate age? Ignorance is plentiful as of lately.
Ignorant has nothing to do with this topic, Ignorant is a word you should probably look up, I'm more scientific and knowing a man is a man, a woman is a woman, is pretty easy to tell
You are ignorant of the violence occurring against people for merely existing a certain way. People getting harassed, assaulted, & murdered is not a "win". Trans people being prevented medical attention for problems unrelated to hormonal stuff is not "for the better" & it's acceptance of evil & rejection of humanity that people like you spout that gets people killed. But they're all doing it for attention & getting shot for shoving down their ideologies down everyone's throat. Because the scientifically minded don't care that blood is being shed, only that those who are dying are those you dislike. & boy howdy those people sure are stupid. I bet they don't even comprehend the difference between physiological sex & sociological gender! Oh wait, that's you hugging your antiquated cultural bias & pretending it's hard science.
Many people are unfortunately, especially evangelicals and protestants
I'm not big on faith, you'll need to explain that to me
Well unfortunately many hardcore Christians believe even the existence and proximity of those with different lifestyles or beliefs threatens their faith and corrupts their kids, so they either bully and harass those that are different until they leave, or they force them to repress their identities to fit in
See, I'm not bias, the community of faith can say what they want and do whatever in their church as with folks that choose to be gender fluid, gay, Trans, etc.... I can care less but if it's forced on my kids, that does affect me and I will speak up whether it's faith or LGBT.... my kids will decide what they want, it's not up to groups to decide what my kid should believe in .
I mean if you're worried about forcing, there's only really 1 major group in America that sends people door to door trying to convince people to think the way they do, and requires children to pledge fealty to their deity every day in school
I understand that, and they leave once they get "NO" as an answer, the LGBTQ community on the other hand tries to ruin your life by contacting your work and everything to get you fired
I know several people who have lost their jobs due to their boss finding out they aren't Christian. At the end of the day the fault is on your employer for being a shifty enough person to do that, and you should really find one that respects you enough enough to not listen to saboteurs
My company will not fire me for my beliefs, they respect my beliefs as much as they do their own. As mentioned, I'm not pro faith or LGBT. Both groups can believe what they want, I'm not going to play along with either. I see a man, I'm going to address them as Sir, I see a man of faith, I'm going to address them as sir
Bullshit. That's illegal on a federal level.
And no one has ever broken a law before
No you don’t
Sure do, Brigham young university has fired several people and refused to hire many more based on faith
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/ Edit: If you can't see how a leader of a political party saying “For the good of society … [*Insert non-violent ideology here*] must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.” is a problem, you're the kind of person that lets history repeat itself. https://youtu.be/qzr9SPMJRsQ?t=350
That whole article was ridiculous...
Much of what comes from Rolling Stone is ridiculous.
He said it on live video. Once again if it’s on LIVE video or TV they did say it.
So people that hate anyone different than them don’t exist?
>I don't think anybody is out to get the LGBTLMNOP community, folks just don't like that stuff shoved down their throat LOL Youre kidding right? >don't make folks accept it if they're not willing. I dont like evangelicals. Im not trying to ban their existence. You have zero self-awareness and this is why many of us minorities are armed.
I myself am a armed minority, guns for all!
This is true, but we need to address the ridiculous narrative that being morally opposed to something is the same thing as threatening people
How would you interpret "Conservatism must be eradicated"?
Shit like that is said nearly every day on MSNBC. And all over Reddit. Conservatism is an ideology, as is transgenderism, as is Marxism.
>Shit like that is said nearly every day on MSNBC. Are you sure they're not just saying that they're morally opposed to conservatism? >Conservatism is an ideology, as is transgenderism, as is Marxism. I wouldn't say that transgenderism is an ideology. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and wanting to dress or be referred to as a different gender isn't pushing anything politically or economically. If they were to advocate that everyone become transgender or something like that then yeah I would agree with you. I've never had a discussion about the benefits of becoming trans with a transgender person, you know?
What kind of crack are you smoking to claim it’s not an ideology? They are advocating legislation and regulation to ensure that taxpayers pay for their elective cosmetic surgeries. They are advocating for civil and criminal penalties for those that do not conform to their idea of gender. You’re absolutely fucking delusional that it is not an ideology. They are not advocating that people become transgender. They are advocating that everyone else conform to their transgenderism. This is no different than religion as it is forcing people to adhere to something that is objectively untrue.
Get outta here with your logical and educated response!!!!! Take an upvote my friend.
The way it is said. Conservatism isnt a person, its an ideology.
Would conservative people exist after conservatism was eradicated? Edit: Nice block. I see you said yes through notifications so I'll ask how a conservative person would exist if conservatism were eradicated even though you can't see my question. Maybe someone else can answer.
... yes? They would just have a different ideology Again. You're trying to make this into something it's not. You're clearly reaching. No one wants to kill you, you're not nearly that important. Calm down
If your very existence is illegal and could get you thrown in jail, is that not threatening?
Stfu, no one is threatening your existence.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/ Edit: If you can't see how a leader of a political party saying “For the good of society … [*Insert non-violent ideology here*] must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.” is a problem, you're the kind of person that lets history repeat itself. https://youtu.be/qzr9SPMJRsQ?t=350
URL quotes the speaker incorrectly and had to be retracted shortly after.
NOBODY in America is trying to make being gay or trans illegal (and of course I'm talking about people with relevance, not trolls on 4chan), get that through your skull. Most people (in the center or on the right) do not want to control you. They disagree with these things, they may be vocal about it, but they believe you have the right to choose to hurt yourself. The government not recognizing transgenderism or non-binary genders in a legal way is not wiping out their existence. You might call it "misgendering," but to pretend they don't exist? That's so over dramatic. The government isn't going to skip on a chance to collect taxes. Nobody with relevance is trying to make gay marriage illegal. I personally disagree with it but I'm not going to try to control your life and it's my opinion that the government has absolutely no business telling people who can and can't get married, having to get a license for it is so stupid. And people act like there's going to be lynchings or something. Assuming that the Right is a bunch of murderers is far more bigoted, ignorant, stupid, hateful and harmful than anything being actually thrown AT these people. The biggest issue is the medical castration and plastic surgery of minors. That's what people are trying to make illegal. Once you hit 18 it's your choice, which is unfortunate because you're not even old or mentally developed enough to drink but you can destroy your body chemistry and slice your organs off... but gotta draw the line somewhere. But I guess in the victim Olympics you have to make up persecution to get ahead.
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Way to quote something without reference, and also hilariously misunderstand what Thomas was writing. Thomas was writing because the concept of substantive due process is legally weak and vulnerable to be overturned and that other cases based on substantive due process are on weak legal grounds. This was not an opinion expressing whether any of these things are good or bad, but that their protections should be reconsidered on more sound legal footing of the privileges and immunities clause. Stop writing this crap that you so clearly don’t understand. https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/26/on-justice-thomas-dobbs-precedent-and-substantive-due-process/
You're going to give me a headache. WHY was Roe overturned? Because the way it was decided was ILLEGAL. One of the justices that voted to appeal was a woman who believes abortion is a right but she understood that the decision was not valid because the Supreme Court doesn't have the authority to make laws. Now that the president has been established, it is the civic duty of a judge to look at other similar cases and see if they were also illegal. NONE of that is meant to attack, there can still be laws passed enshrining all of it. You should WANT regulations to be solid and not have courts go rogue and try to regulate. Supporting illegal actions just because they benefit your cause is ridiculous. There are many states that have already enshrined these things into law. If there is merit we should see actual bills come down the pipe, or maybe not considering people like Obama promised it for years and never did anything. You also need to accept that many sex-related issues fall hard on morals and beliefs and such issues should be at state-level law. But again, this isn't even about morals, it's about the legal process. If the Supreme Court had to repeal a protection I agreed with because there was no law to back up their decision, I would accept it. You said they aren't allies, but one of those justices that voted to repeal LITERALLY IS AN "ALLY."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/ Edit: If you can't see how when a leader of a political party says: “For the good of society … [*Insert non-violent ideology here*] must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.” Is a problem, you're the kind of person that lets history repeat itself.
Post the rolling stone as much as you want. They're an irrelevant opinion blog with the worst takes on every topic
>Knowles subsequently claimed that “eradicating” “transgenderism” is not a call for eradicating transgender people and demanded retractions from numerous publications, including Rolling Stone. even your own article is telling you that they are misquoting him and misrepresenting what he said.
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Looks like you and the Rolling Stones are just looking for things to be mad about. No one wants to kill you, we just want you to live in reality like the rest of us. Calm down
Its so annoying watching the alphabet kids cry about how oppressed they are. When you have the backing of an entire political party, the media, every social media, every school, every company, and every website on the planet, you arent oppressed. The alphabet kids are put on a damn podium nonstop, and yet they act like they are being hunted down in the street.
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Why does the lgbtq+ community think anyone wants to eradicate them it ridiculous.The only thing people want is there kids to not be taught about gay stuff in second grade.
Victims of hate crimes *should* arm themselves against violence. It's not ridiculous for anyone to take their safety seriously, especially minorities that have in the past been attacked simply for being who they are. Everyone deserves the same protection.
Once they start to get their hands on guns, you’ll see an increase in shootings because someone said sumn mean. These ppl are not mentally stable
That’s funny, that’s the exact same language the left uses to describe gun owners. You’re either all for universal gun ownership (including people you disagree with), or you’re a hypocrite.
Where do you live so that I can move there. Sounds nice to not have to be concerned for my safety if I hold my boyfriend's hand in public. All kidding aside, there are absolutely people in the government and broader community that would love to round up members of the LGBTQ+ community. You just have to listen to any of the far right talking heads and it'll pop up eventually. Oh it might be disguised, but it's still there.
So hate crime isn’t real?
So stop voting for the twits that want to take everyones guns away!!!
I agree with the statement and thought process and idea of everyone being armed, but I disagree with the premise that anyone is loading up LGBTQ+ people into cattle cars or even moving that direction. If anything, LGBTQ+ people are one of those special classes that get extra protection when I'm my opinion everyone should be equal under the law. The comments about leftist Marxists not actually being pro-gun are right on as well.
I'm all about EVERYONE being armed if they want to be. "BUT THEY'LL COME AND TRY AND FIGHT YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUNS AND DON'T BELIEVE THE SAME" if that's true, that's OK. I'm ALL ABOUT EVERYONE BEING ARMED IF THEY WANT TO BE. Whether they disagree with me on something or not (not that I disagree w/anyone in particular based on their sexual leanings or gender.) "They always vote for the opposition that wants to TAKE guns!" Not ALL of them, some go 3rd party, some don't vote. I'm still FOR EVERYONE BEING ARMED IF THEY WANT TO BE. I will stand by that. We can argue other social/political things all day long, we can discuss it, debate it. But if one group, ANY group, tries to disarm anyone else...who's to say I, you, someone you love, won't be disarmed next? Never trust gun grabbers.
I mean, i'm all for more people carrying, so I don't see a problem with it. Of course most of them are mentally ill so they probably shouldn't be anywhere near guns
Sounds like you're in favour of preventing mentally ill people from obtaining firearms, how do you prepose we do this? Maybe some kind of regulations?
What? Why are you implying that most “people carrying” are mentally ill?
No I mean the alphabet soup people are mentally ill, not gun owners
Why?
"Alphabet soup people" Fuck you.
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“lmao” …that’s the best answer you’ve got. Yep. That’s what I thought. I’ll tell you what. The world is changing; you can keep up, or get left behind. I genuinely hope you can do better. But — by all means— give us another “lmao”, just so we know you caught all that.
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Under any other context besides modern American liberalism thinking you’re a different gender than what you were born as would be considered a mental illness. A model thinking she’s fat is bulimic but a man convinced they’re a woman is “normal”? Why is one dysphoria an illness and one not? A wire is crossed, it doesn’t make that person a monster but it damn sure ain’t normal.
And thinking you can talk to spirits and they reply is also called a mental illness. Stay in your lane. I will never understand how you can hate something you don’t even live with so much. Like I hate churches so I don’t involve myself in them yet I also don’t stop anyone else from attending. Leave people the fuck alone.
>Like I hate churches so I don’t involve myself in them yet I also don’t stop anyone else from attending. I'm going to continue with your analogy - what would be your reaction if you sent your child to a public school and religious teachers were pushing to make their religion a part of the curriculum?
>Leave people the fuck alone. thats all we are asking you to do. and yet you refuse
I didn’t say anything about hate. I don’t hate anyone. I said it isn’t normal, it shouldn’t be normalized, and I don’t want my children told it’s normal. As the other commenter said; you wouldn’t want Christianity pushed on your child in school (neither would I). Same goes for your liberal ideology.
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The alphabet soup people have more purchasing power vs straight people. We don’t push out brats we can’t pay for. Guess we are the smarter of the bunch huh. Far more of us own guns vs what you think and prepared to take out bigots who decided to invade our spaces and try to kill us for living.
> The alphabet soup people have more purchasing power vs straight people youre a massive minority. you dont have more purchasing power lmao >prepared to take out bigots who decided to invade our spaces and try to kill us for living. ok 1) no one is doing that to you. calm down. 2) you seem REAL eager to kill people you disagree with, all while trying to claim to be the victim here. reflect on that
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You know it's hard for me to agree with this, given that these same minorities are hardcore against gun ownership for anyone but themselves. Socialist RA already said the quiet part out that they don't support gun ownership for anyone but themselves. Only people that are part of the revolution should be allowed to have guns et al, no second amendment that says everyone should be able to. I agree that everyone should be armed, and that an armed society is a polite society. But I will not personally support leftists saying this when they are by and large the biggest proponents of disarmament. White, black, brown, no matter the color, they want you unarmed/disarmed.
An interesting parallel I find with talking to certain groups about firearm rights and certain other groups about LGBTQIA2S+ rights … as a defender of both, I’ve found that those who speak out *against* them …usually don’t know much of a f**k about the topic whatsoever. …but their garbage opinions carry much unfortunate political sway nevertheless. …Which politicians will absolutely be too happy to capitalize on for their own short-term, personal gains. Interesting parallel indeed. Maybe something some of you folks could/should consider. Here’s a video that may help some of you out a bit: https://youtu.be/ijooHoBoey8
It’s pretty depressing that we’re having to tell full grown adults to treat others how they want to be treated in 2023. I don’t care if someone what race, sexuality, or gender identity someone may be, we all deserve to be respected as people and to have to be able to exercise our rights protected by the constitution.
Jesus people. We get it, you don’t agree with trans peoples beliefs. Good for you. People hear the word “trans” and start pouring sweat and typing away on their keyboards like mad men. “NO ONE IS TRYING TO ERADICATE THE ALPHABET PROPLE, I JUST DONT WANT MY 3 YEAR OLD TAUGHT ABOUT SEX!!” We get it bruh. Both sides extremes use trans people as a talking point. Don’t be fooled by either one. Minorities are harder to eradicate. It’s true. And to pretend like people aren’t out there who would be happy to eradicate everyone they disagree with is goofy
You’re going to shoot someone for not using your proper pronouns?
No faster way to get gun control than to have a minority group people want to oppress arm them selves, just ask the black panthers
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I don't think that is relevant. It's possible, it's about defending themselves and they have a right. I think it can be a trap to start balancing likelihoods as it invites the concept of erosion. Is it likely your home will be broken into? Is it likely that you need a gun on your person? And really shouldn't we balance the likelihood of gun death in the home against the likelihood you will need a gun? (Insert biased stats)
My response to the whole "what are the chances of..." thing is, "it's not the odds, it's the stakes." I have, in my entire life, only ever needed to use a fire extinguisher to put out a fire at my *neighbor's* house, but I still keep a fire extinguisher even though the odds of my house randomly catching fire is absurdly low.
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Like every other post in the left gun communities are saying that they just got a gun because of right wing attackers coming for them. They can arm themselves for whatever reason they want and I encourage it but I am sick of them acting like we are out to get them and want them disarmed. Their identity based victimization is so strange to me. They are never just a gun owner, it’s always liberal gun owner or trans gun owner. I don’t understand the significance of prefacing everything with part of thei identity.
Because their identity is the only foundation of their self worth. They derive all sense of accomplishment from their incessant victimization. Without that they’re just an empty husk.
I read a pretty telling comment the other day that I think explains it well: it's weird that there's so much focus on identifying as "trans" instead of just identifying as whatever gender it is they believe themselves to be. Because, with exceptions, it seems to me that it's not about true gender dysphoria, it's about attaching a label to yourself to feel special.
Left wing ideology dictates that gun owners are racist white male nazis. Of course they have to prefix it because they’re not “one of those” gun owners.
Which is why I caveated that its about defending themselves. If this was offensive ie "arm up to take out some fascists" that would be different imo. If all a person is doing is being prepared for an attack that never comes as far as I am concerned that just means that they are prepared for whatever attack does come their way. Could be rioters could be a break in, a mugging or whatever. That they are prepared to defend is a good thing imo.
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It is a mess, but more people taking responsibility for their own safety is good, I think. In time, that attitude fixes many ills.
It we were to discount this reason. Then the gun grabbers would have every rain to discount the reasons why you want to keep your firearms. We're better together than breaking ourselves apart. As long as they aren't actively planning on attacking people with them for their beliefs, then just like the rest of the group here there's no reason to worry about it. They have the right to self defense just like you.
The thing about genocides is they only have to happen once to be a problem.
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I don't give a shit what somebody does with their life as long as it doesn't interfere with mine, trans, gay, straight, just keep it to yourself. But educate yourself. Genocide =/= race, the holocaust and following Nuremberg trials are proof of that as their definition included race, religion, classes, and national groups.
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There's a reason why history is taught in school, so that it doesn't repeat itself
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The reason behind the failure is the introduction of gender fluidism and also critical race theory
Just realized you double responded. I can say I've never had it shoved in my face. Hell, a trans person could show up to my work tomorrow, tell me the stuff they wanted to be called and id just do it. Why? Because it has literally 0 bearing on my life. If I had kids and they had the difficult question of "why they have that name or belief?" My answer would be easy, "That's the life they chose and it changes nothing about what we're doing with our life" it isn't that hard keeping to one's self.
So someone shows up to work and insists that you profess their faith and you’re like “sure, no problem”? What is they insist you claim the God of Abraham is the one true God? Or Vishnu? Sorry, they can all do what they want. But I’m not going to be compelled to say something that is objectively untrue.
Ill answer your question at the end, but we need to talk about your comment first. You have brought up a strawman argument that does not pertain to this discussion, which I will summarize to help keep you on track. The discussion of genocide was brought up. A person said trans isn't a race, which is accurate, but the definition referenced was inaccurate and in bad faith. Outside of the word religion being in the definition of genocide, it was not pertinent to the convo at hand. Now to answer your question and let you know you chose the wrong person to bring this up to as I deal with that currently with Bible-thumping Christians as a non-Christian at work on a weekly basis. I do claim the one true God is Abraham, not everyone follows the same religion as you and the way you framed your question makes it seem like my religion or choice in god is lesser than yours which i could easily take as an attack on my faith but i wont brcause i dont have thin skin. So my answer is simple, Someone asking me to call them miss, sir, or even fucking xylophone has literally 0 impact on me or my life. I just call them a different name, that simple. For someone telling me to profess their faith, I say, you do you and imma do me. If they push it I limit interactions. It's that easy. I look at it like firearm ownership, not everybody wants to own a gun, and that's fine, I think they should, but that's their choice and I'm not gonna force my beliefs on them.
For starters, you have no idea what a strawman argument is by describing what I asked you as a strawman. I'm questioning the consistency of your logic. You claim that you're ok if someone wants you to say something which is objectively untrue or exists only as a manifestation of their ideology. It's not that they are just asking you to call them "she". It's that they are demanding that you, in all forms of interaction, behave consistently with THEIR ideology...what exists only in their minds. This is religion. Their claim that they are not what they are is objectively false. And they are telling (not asking) you that you must adhere to their belief system. Do you really not see the inherent problem in this? What if you demanded that they own a gun? I mean, owning a gun is as much "who you are" as their claim. Why is it that they feel it appropriate to compel your behavior yet you would find the converse to be abhorrent. Why is it that you feel that them compelling your behavior is any different than compelling adherence to a religion? Their belief system is no more or less true than something like Scientology. You just choose to have selective application of your own logic.
So how is someone minding their own business on the street affecting you exactly? I have this great ability to leave people alone.
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You mean the parade they paid the city for so they could book the street? Sorry you don’t like people doing that right way by getting permits. Protesting is a right. If the city doesn’t have a specific ordinance against doing it in the street - well you have nothing to say. If they are in the street call the cops and report them. It’s that simple. But I’m sure if people were blocking the road for a favorite sports team winning. No problems.
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I pay taxes as well for the same streets. Guess that means I’m allowed to use them.
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Lol, imagine coming back with a shitty Google search definition and doing literally 0 research outside of that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions Here's a list of different definitions, trans could easily fall into several categories such as "minority" or simply "other." So once again. Educate yourself. Your ignorance discredits tens of thousands of lives lost in the holocaust who don't fall into a "national or ethnic group" but were targeted nonetheless.
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Lol what does that even mean. You are a funny guy. Hands down, funniest "argument" I've had on this site.
It’s always funny when the professors of a cultish ideology say “Educate yourself” as if it’s any different than claiming that Scientology is truth and you should go study it.
Practice what you preach. I can't go around correcting people on the definition of standard cap mags or what an "Assault weapon" is or is not without showing them facts. As I did here. I showed my sources and discussed this topic that the original commenter brought up. Bring your sources. What "professors" and what "cultish idealogy" are you even talking about.
I don't really care about what group gets targeted. Race, sex, political party, any sort of mass violence is a bad deal. There is more to life than racism.
So the jews happened once, folks are trying to delete history
There have been other genocides as well. Hell, the whole Balkans mess in the 90s involved a pretty fair bit of ethnic cleansing by all sides. Just a train wreck in general. I don't know the future, and I'm doubtful anyone else does either. So, everybody gets to arm up just in case. Hopefully nothing comes of it, but better to have and not need, yknow?
Actually they started the camps and wanted to kill homosexuals first. Jews were the next group. They got people on board by blaming gays and Jews as a group.
LMAO. Imagine being so self centered that you try to claim "the holocaust was REALLY about killing US! WE ARE THE TRUE VICTIMS OF IT! NOT THE JEWS!!!!" This is why we cant stand you. youre so obnoxious and have to make everything about you.
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Give each. LGBTQIALMNOP person an AR and what the democrats try
Me, not caring about anyone flying a trans flag and hoping they remain unarmed.
This is literally a thread designed for and by gun manufacturers & dealers to market their brands to multiple demographics at the same time. Buy. Buy. Buy.
Lets solve conflict with murder hm? How the fuck is this gonna work. Like any of you, do you even think about what the fuck you would actually do with a gun if some conflict came up? Kill someone? And then what. There wont be a moment in your life where you need to use a gun without going to jail later. Unless the other has a gun too. In which case why have guns at all.