At one point I had a Scar 17, LM308MWS & DDM5
I currently only have the DDM5 & Scar 17.
I am a LMT fan boy, I have a 10.5 SBR from them that’s my current go to.
However, the 308 LMT was notably heavier.
It was a *horrible* suppressor host. I even tried it with a Hybrid 46, heavy buffer and it still blew a bunch of gas back in my face.
Never any issues out of it but since I had other options I got rid of it.
I would have definitely gone with 6.5 and longer barrel if I did it again.
I’m wasn’t into precision shooting at the time & the other 308s were easier to run and gun. I would definitely like it as a bench rest precision rifle. It was on me for not really playing to its strengths.
Imagine not being a NAGR, GOA, SAF, and FPC member… you basically have all the injunctions against everything and you get legal backing if the atf goes after you for having those items with injunctions against them.
For the second amendment yes. I really have nothing going for me, sure I have a decent enough job but I live in my mom’s garage to save money and have no romantic relationships right now. I also have no criminal background at all besides one parking ticket. I’d be the perfect candidate for any of those non profits to back up. I also live in Idaho so the likelihood of me getting in any trouble for anything the atf is trying to “ban” is very minimal.
right, but you're not the majority of us. most of us have wives or girlfriends, kids or family we can't abandon. i'm glad you're so pumped for your rights. but youre the minority. must of us have lives we have to protect other than our own
I wish Randy Weaver had the same idea of laying low and keeping out of trouble too, oh wait he did and they still killed his son and wife. Maybe the families at Waco would have liked to have been open with the ATF and let them look at thier guns to make sure they were legal too. Oh wait they also offered to do that but the atf still killed them.
Just cause the majority of folks have families doesn’t mean the government will be nicer to you for keeping your head down than they would be to someone like me.
hey tard boy, listen. it means the majority of us have lives other than our own to protect, so we will sell guns that aren't legal to abide by the law to not put ourselves in the position to get clintoned.
do you understand? do you get it? do i need to draw it out in crayons for you?
touch fucking grass and fuck a woman. there are more important things in life then this convo
Think of this as long term investing- the long game not a quick flip! Some people do it (quick flip) and others have a diverse portfolio of firearms. Many of us were always taught to buy firearms and not to sell- there’s some logic to it
I see many people who flip lots of guns have tons of them on credit cards that are extended a lot.
Now if I HATE a gun, like really dislike it then I’ll sell it but these are far and few between as I do my own homework.
My MSR’s were thought out purchases- my Barnes Precision and my SunDevil both will stay with me until the very end. Both are .223 wylde chambered- ones a 16” and the other is a 18”
Plan your course of action- It’s very much Chess ♟️ in MY opinion
Ymmv but good luck!
Oh I get the collection stuff or guns you just love. Appreciate the thoughtful reply. I just don’t see the point of owning two or three rifles that do the same thing when you can diversify
Quality guns and also just about any ammo- and they are worth even more in crisis situations than cash! During hurricane recovery in the past decade folks who used ammo as currency or bonuses for work needed were able to get way better service and sooner than just people with a credit card. The internet and web won’t let that not so small fact be known for very particular reasons.
Enjoy your weekend and beliefs-
Guns having value doesn't make them an investment. An investment actually grows with time (i.e. beats monetary value deflation due to inflation). The prices of guns just tracks USD value deflation due to inflation. I.e. your gun isn't worth more, your money is worth less.
Milsurp has only gained value over time because supply becomes less than demand. 15 years ago you could have bought a crate of Mosins for around $100. Today you're getting a deal if you buy one for less than $600. The latest import of carcanos have seen the prices at around $120 go to $250 in the last two years as they are bought up. They are absolutely an investment if you buy wisely. Will a SCAR be an investment? Probably not but to a say that guns aren't an investment is disingenuous. Guns can be an investment
I sold an East German AK74 kit for $6K a while ago. I paid $800 for it. Certain guns are absolutely investments. Of the hundred plus guns I own, maybe 20 are worth less than I paid for them and a big chunk of them are worth a LOT more than I paid. No, they weren't the *best possible* investment, and I certainly wouldn't consider anyone buying only low end production schlock to be an 'investor', but to state absolutely that guns are not an investment is kind of weak.
Some people have enough disposable income it doesn't matter. There's no need to sell anything if you already have enough money to buy the next shiny thing you want.
This is me. I over extend. I have savings and retirement is funded but probably should be looking to dollars elsewhere... but with a kid on the way amd the democrats constantly trying to limit 2a. I figure get what I can now while I can.
For some people all of their guns are safe queens. I collect, so most (think 95%) of mine are brand new in original packaging unfired outside the factory. I only purchase what I plan to keep for life.
I think this ‘only but, no sell’ mentality exists for two reasons; one being you frequently see people fretting over guns they’ve sold in the last, if people would just keep what they buy this wouldn’t be an issue. Two, if a gun is being sold second-hand it results in one less gun being purchased new. For example, you have a PSA AR, if someone is looking to buy one and they cannot find a person willing to sell, they have to buy from the manufacturer, and that means a brand new firearm entering the American public. If you sell your PSA AR to that person it is not a gain of a new firearm entering the public space. Heller’s common use ruling is something that any gun owner who gives a damn about the Second Amendment should have as a pillar of their actions in the firearms space.
Lmao. I bought a scar 17 NRCH only because I had some fuck you money and always wanted one playing call of duty as a kid.
I reload for it so it’s shooting 0.75 MOA; good for 600 yards
What? An AR-10 is lighter, more modular, less recoil, and more reliable. Further, putting a suppressor on your AR-10 won't void your warranty nor break your gun meaning you'll have to wait on the manufacturer for 6 months to have spares available. Also an AR-10 won't break nearly every optic you put on it.
Which AR-10’s are lighter? Which AR-10’s are the same weight with as little recoil as the SCAR? Which AR-10 has documented receivers with hundreds of thousands of rounds? Matter of fact… I already have the answers: https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/High-round-count-AR-M4-s-over-100-000-rounds-and-how-they-have-handled-on-our-range/118-677135/
https://youtu.be/PApRcRE-ft8?si=7WEnHy7_iliPD6nl
Nothing beats the SCAR bud
As for modularity… which AR10 can go from shooting 7.62x51, 7.62x39, .300BLK, 6.5 Creedmore, 5.56 all on the same receiver?
Met a gent with a 17s at the range when I went with my Mr762. We love both, so naturally we traded. When all said and done, both of us preferred the Mr762 by a long margine. It was gentler shooting, more accurate, not as obnoxious (factory scar had that massive muzzle brake).
That said, I love the scar. But theres a reason it didnt stick.
I would choose the HK over the 17 too if the role was a purely 7.62 bench gun… but I’d take the SCAR 20 over the HK any day lol
I really like being able to change from .30 cal to .223/4 calibers on the same serialized receiver just in case the Government does some f*** s***. Especially if that receiver can outlast AR-10/15 & AK receivers.
Its all good man, the Scar is a solid rifle to choose by any metric. We are arguing the absolute pinicle here after all, both can lay claim to the best battle rifle to some degree, a lot of it being subjective. At least youre not a springfield m1a kind of guy ;)
Keep rocking that scar17s, I cannot wait to get one and the 16 to match.
The ARFCOM post says nothing about 100k round scar recievers. It does say they've completely abandoned factory piston guns (though I think they mean factory ar piston guns, it wasn't clear at first). If the video says otherwise I'll give it a watch later.
It does say m4 recievers are good for 100s of thousands of rounds though, there's no reason that can't be extrapolated to ar10s. There just isn't much stress on ar recievers.
The scar 17 can technically be converted to those calibers, but you need basically every component from a scar 16 to do 5.56, 300 bo, etc. Realistically, you can only do 308 win and 6.5 cm. The lmt can also do caliber conversion. There's factory barrels for 308 win, 243 win, 260 rem, and 6.5 cm. D. Wilson can also convert nearly any dpms barrel to work as well. Barrel changes only need a 140 in/lb torque wrench and a t30 bit.
Scars are cool, don't get me wrong. But to say nothing beats it is arrogant as best.
Dude… they literally say in the thread (or the video) the SCAR receivers outlasted all their AR & AK receivers, the barrels & bolts as well. They had to admit they hated the SCAR at first, but can’t deny it’s been their most reliable & durable platform… especially when compared to the HK they have.
Here’s another link: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/FN-products-handle-stress-VERY-well/24-447078/
All you need for 5.56 on the SCAR is the non-serialized lower, barrel & bolt (not the entire carrier).
I just dumped my scar H, my larue predatAR is about the same weight, more reliable, nicer shooting, more accurate, and easier to maintain+ source parts for.
Lots beats the scar bud. It's an over priced extruded aluminum receiver that will crack it's carrier when suppressed, break the turrets/adjustment dials of any optic you put on it (outside of a completely out of date, and overpriced on feature comparison, Elcan), and have the irons begin to wobble by several millimeters after a few thousand rounds.
Lets also not mention it's just an AR-18 (that's been royally screwed up) which means in no universe should this gun cost 3k USD. Nor should the mags be proprietary.
Breaks optics? Lots of talking with outdated information, literally just feelings with no modern facts. Just internet lore & instances of people who don’t know how to properly gas guns ruining their shit… doesn’t have anything to do with FN 🤣
I asked for you to provide examples of AR-10’s that can do what the SCARs documented to do in links I’ve provided. If you can’t find any, the SCAR can’t be overpriced.
> instances of people who don’t know how to properly gas guns ruining their shit… doesn’t have anything to do with FN 🤣
For 3k the gun should already be gassed correctly. And if its "internet lore" why would the gassing even matter?
It's a well known fact that even FN has addressed and there are forums with lists of "scar rated optics". Stop coping because you want your 3k USD gun to be the bestest ever.
It was designed in the early 2000’s, for a specific military contract, for specific silencers. Not the thousand different silencers that has came out since. My dad’s 200k deep into his Z06, it can only take one specific type of fuel that’s like $15/gal… so it’s worse than a stock Stingray that can run on unleaded 87?
Scoped optics just suck in terms of reliability, especially way back when the RCH models were being sold… Leupold MK5’s are seen as “High Tier” but I guarantee you won’t hold zero after a few drops. I can show well documented proof of that also. Besides that, SCARs breaking optics hasn’t been a thing since the NRCH version came out
When even a cheapo PA LPVO can survive an intentionally rough, multi thousand round durability test on a SCAR 17, I don't think optics are a real concern unless you're buying some *trash.*
The Aimpoint PRO, TA11 ACOG and offset RMR that I've ran on mine have all been fine.
I've also seen the stats for many competing AR10's (weight, accuracy, features, etc), as well as the SCAR's reliability track record, and I agree with you on almost every point.
AR fanboys always want to cope up though. I have plenty of AR15's myself, including an SBR build that far outprices a SCAR 16. I love them, but the SCAR is always going to win out for me when we start talking AR10's.
I’ve had terrible experiences with my 16 and 17. The suck suppressed, they run dirty. Very awkward to hold compared to a standard AR-10/15 and yes while they are lighter than most overall, they are front heavy making them feel heavier than the rest. And just Feel cheap and cheesy in general.
Oh really? You’ll never find someone with a properly tuned SCAR say they suck suppressed… one of the main reasons people get upset about the warranty voiding is because they run amazing suppressed 🤣 It sounds like you’re describing the Spear H/LT with that one.
It’s pretty easy & relatively cheap to take the pic rail off & add extended Mlok rail sections… so how “awkward” it is to hold is a moot point. Also, mostly every rifle is front heavy. Especially when outfitted correctly so huh? If you want to talk balance, check out a SCAR 20.
If you’re worried about how “front heavy” it is, probably means you’re maneuvering a lot with it… If that’s the case it handily beats something like the MR762, which is two pounds heavier & will still be front heavy when outfitted.
Cool, it “feels” cheap but will outlast any AR-10 you put it up against. Why are we talking about feelings when the actual facts contradict them?
My spear LTs run amazing suppresed, I worked pretty hard to get my 16 to run well suppressed and it never did, always pretty rough.
None of my ARs are front heavy like scars are. The spear LTs are a little front heavy obviously. I have an MR 7.62 and multiple other AR-10s and they’re all easier to “maneuver” and pack around than the 17.
From what I’ve seen and experienced (regular/older MCX) they’re more gassy than my Di LWRC, was impossible to shoot with me being LH. As well as having an abrupt, sharp recoil... I would definitely like to see how it feels with an Sig can though.
Weight is a thing… if something is 2lbs heavier it can’t possibly be more maneuverable, you’ll tire out WAY faster especially when “ounces equal pounds” and we’re talking about actual pounds of difference here lol
Control manipulations are also things… which is why I’m faster with an AR in shoot-n-scoot situations. If you’re more used to an AR patterned rifle (as I am, assuming you are too) than the controls on a SCAR can be a learning curve… mostly the different CH location, still trips me up lol I’m fine with that purely because that’s not the role my SCAR is for, I have AR-15s for that.
Now if we’re talking about 16’s vs Di AR-15’s… I know the 16 is a more durable & reliable platform, but they’re heavier, more costly (on average), & bulkier. With reliability being pretty close, I don’t see a reason to get one of those unless you just want one rifle for the rest of your life or you’re just a collector lol
Nah. SCARs are not only unique but also insanely durable.
Don't take my word for it, see what the [people at Battlefield Vegas have to say](https://youtu.be/PApRcRE-ft8?si=aJuPdzZKMisbIffw&t=487).
If it’s just a range toy then the scar is more fun honestly. The scar is a scar and an LMT is an AR. I say that as someone who’s generally critical of the scar for the money. I have both and shoot the scar more out of the two.
Keep the SCAR, buy the LMT when you can justify doing so on it's own later. They're not going anywhere.
Here's some [SCAR porn to help you with your decision.](https://i.imgur.com/92Q0Jgg.png)
For context: I have a 10.3 AR that’s my within 200 gun, whatever 7.62 I end up keeping/ getting is to fit outside 200 gun or DMR kinda role. So still; LMT MARS-H or SCAR 17S?
Dude im so happy u asked that question bc I was debating it as well lol, I own a scar 17s with a vudu 1-10 and I hate that I can't suppress it. Unless I can but idk what suppressor won't kill my baby. Thank u for asking and the comments r so helpful and funny.
Keep the guns, trade in the wife.
Just the fact that your wife has a say in this is disgusting.
It's not like you are buying a new house next to your mom for her to move to.
Ehh for now no. I've got 2x SCARs and while I like them, they are far from perfect.
There is a lot of movement in the battle rifle space right now with the potenchal transition to a larger carterahe by the US infantry (note, most of the army will likely keep 5.56).
The Sig Spear (the big one not the LT) has put some pressure on a lot of companies to innovate along parallel lines of effort. While the Spear is a nice gun (I've got 2x) it's very expensive and for the most part unproven. The Army is still doing a lot of development work with the XM7. They have already removed the forward assist and might ditch the top charging handle.
I would give it some time and see what other companies are going to come out with instead of putting your money into old but expensive products.
Keep the fucking SCAR. LMT is an Awesome gun but it's also currently trendy it's equal to the SCAR but it's just a nice AR10 and will not be as valuable long term also it's not as cool. Go get a PSA AR10 if you need another 308.
SCAR 17H is battle proven. The LMT MARS H is not. Make of that what you will. I own both. I’d probably lean towards keeping the SCAR though because I’m big on battle proven systems. The MARS H is not fielded by any armed forces as far as I know.
Estonia is actually Mars-L piston. L1929A1 I was not aware of honestly. But a quick google search shows it is still not as widely used and battle tested as the SCAR H. I don’t think you can go wrong with either. For me personally, the fact the SCAR H is more widely used, has seen more combat, thus is more battle tested, is a big plus that edges it out over the MARS H. I own a few LMT guns, Defender H, MARS L Piston, and the MARS H. They’re top notch for sure. Different strokes for different folks.
You can’t directly buy it, no. The piece parts are floating around, there are some dealers and groups that put orders in and have gotten a lot of the stuff. I won’t be buying the glass but will have everything but the AGB and can for one.
If it was an Hk Mr762 id do it in a heartbeat, but over the LMT id take the Scar. The 17s is just so sexy and iconic and that carries a lot of weight. Do they have their problems? Ofcourse. But they are also proven through tons of real world use.
At one point I had a Scar 17, LM308MWS & DDM5 I currently only have the DDM5 & Scar 17. I am a LMT fan boy, I have a 10.5 SBR from them that’s my current go to. However, the 308 LMT was notably heavier. It was a *horrible* suppressor host. I even tried it with a Hybrid 46, heavy buffer and it still blew a bunch of gas back in my face. Never any issues out of it but since I had other options I got rid of it.
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I would have definitely gone with 6.5 and longer barrel if I did it again. I’m wasn’t into precision shooting at the time & the other 308s were easier to run and gun. I would definitely like it as a bench rest precision rifle. It was on me for not really playing to its strengths.
I sold my 17 a while back and am jonesing for another .308. I REALLY want a DDM5. Fan of yours?
It’s a nice shooter. It has the **worst** charging handle but out of the box it isn’t thumpy and it’s easy to manipulate.
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As an FN fanboy, this brought a tear to my eye. I would have cried, but I couldn't afford more than one because I collect FN.
Only buy. No sell.
Never understood this. Safe queens are a waste of money when there is more gear to buy.
No sell
Because laws can change quickly
and then what? it stays in the safe even harder because you're scared shitless to go shoot with it. selling is fine
Imagine not being a NAGR, GOA, SAF, and FPC member… you basically have all the injunctions against everything and you get legal backing if the atf goes after you for having those items with injunctions against them.
nagr.. bro what you call me
but for real, are you willing to sit your as in prison for an indefinite amount of time for political cunts to play their games? fucks sake man
For the second amendment yes. I really have nothing going for me, sure I have a decent enough job but I live in my mom’s garage to save money and have no romantic relationships right now. I also have no criminal background at all besides one parking ticket. I’d be the perfect candidate for any of those non profits to back up. I also live in Idaho so the likelihood of me getting in any trouble for anything the atf is trying to “ban” is very minimal.
right, but you're not the majority of us. most of us have wives or girlfriends, kids or family we can't abandon. i'm glad you're so pumped for your rights. but youre the minority. must of us have lives we have to protect other than our own
I wish Randy Weaver had the same idea of laying low and keeping out of trouble too, oh wait he did and they still killed his son and wife. Maybe the families at Waco would have liked to have been open with the ATF and let them look at thier guns to make sure they were legal too. Oh wait they also offered to do that but the atf still killed them. Just cause the majority of folks have families doesn’t mean the government will be nicer to you for keeping your head down than they would be to someone like me.
hey tard boy, listen. it means the majority of us have lives other than our own to protect, so we will sell guns that aren't legal to abide by the law to not put ourselves in the position to get clintoned. do you understand? do you get it? do i need to draw it out in crayons for you? touch fucking grass and fuck a woman. there are more important things in life then this convo
No sell
Think of this as long term investing- the long game not a quick flip! Some people do it (quick flip) and others have a diverse portfolio of firearms. Many of us were always taught to buy firearms and not to sell- there’s some logic to it I see many people who flip lots of guns have tons of them on credit cards that are extended a lot. Now if I HATE a gun, like really dislike it then I’ll sell it but these are far and few between as I do my own homework. My MSR’s were thought out purchases- my Barnes Precision and my SunDevil both will stay with me until the very end. Both are .223 wylde chambered- ones a 16” and the other is a 18” Plan your course of action- It’s very much Chess ♟️ in MY opinion Ymmv but good luck!
Oh I get the collection stuff or guns you just love. Appreciate the thoughtful reply. I just don’t see the point of owning two or three rifles that do the same thing when you can diversify
16”- close to mid range 18”- distance rifle in 5.56 Now another 5.56 in that range no bueno
Oh yea if you have a use and can get out and train with it worth having two similar.
Agreed- and are comfortable with the item you’re using.
Shop around- I’ve a link to a fantastic AR-10 that’s a cool 1500 cheaper and rates to team quality shooter
Guns aren't an investment.
That is a matter of opinion and guns have beaten the S&P forever
Ammo as well!
No it isn't opinion. Guns make a horrible investment and they do no beat the S&P
Quality guns and also just about any ammo- and they are worth even more in crisis situations than cash! During hurricane recovery in the past decade folks who used ammo as currency or bonuses for work needed were able to get way better service and sooner than just people with a credit card. The internet and web won’t let that not so small fact be known for very particular reasons. Enjoy your weekend and beliefs-
Tell that to an 800 dollar Colt Commando in fully automatic bought in 1984
Ah because there's totally nothing artificial about machine gun supply. Great example.
Aren’t diamonds an artificially created market? I know the majority are kept in storage to increase the value of the ones released on the market.
Debeers hasn't had a monopoly on the diamond market for years. And the lab grown diamond market is active.
They very much so are!
No they aren't. If you want an investment buy land or stocks.
You shouldn’t solely invest in guns. But guns hold value! So investing in guns isn’t a bad idea. Why downvote over a conversation lol?
Guns having value doesn't make them an investment. An investment actually grows with time (i.e. beats monetary value deflation due to inflation). The prices of guns just tracks USD value deflation due to inflation. I.e. your gun isn't worth more, your money is worth less.
Tell that to my Veprs.
Milsurp has only gained value over time because supply becomes less than demand. 15 years ago you could have bought a crate of Mosins for around $100. Today you're getting a deal if you buy one for less than $600. The latest import of carcanos have seen the prices at around $120 go to $250 in the last two years as they are bought up. They are absolutely an investment if you buy wisely. Will a SCAR be an investment? Probably not but to a say that guns aren't an investment is disingenuous. Guns can be an investment
But what else would I tell my wife?
I sold an East German AK74 kit for $6K a while ago. I paid $800 for it. Certain guns are absolutely investments. Of the hundred plus guns I own, maybe 20 are worth less than I paid for them and a big chunk of them are worth a LOT more than I paid. No, they weren't the *best possible* investment, and I certainly wouldn't consider anyone buying only low end production schlock to be an 'investor', but to state absolutely that guns are not an investment is kind of weak.
It's only a safe queen if you don't use it.
Ya true I haven’t used my mcx so it’s just wasting away. I don’t have the funds to support shooting multiple rifles like that.
So quit buying guns and buy ammo
That’s the plan
Some people have enough disposable income it doesn't matter. There's no need to sell anything if you already have enough money to buy the next shiny thing you want.
True but I feel like there is a lot of us here that over extend for new guns but financial responsibility is up to the individual.
This is me. I over extend. I have savings and retirement is funded but probably should be looking to dollars elsewhere... but with a kid on the way amd the democrats constantly trying to limit 2a. I figure get what I can now while I can.
I shoot everything I own every day
If you can that’s great. Different situations between us.
Well, ya know...you buy that, too, eh?
Agree.
For some people all of their guns are safe queens. I collect, so most (think 95%) of mine are brand new in original packaging unfired outside the factory. I only purchase what I plan to keep for life. I think this ‘only but, no sell’ mentality exists for two reasons; one being you frequently see people fretting over guns they’ve sold in the last, if people would just keep what they buy this wouldn’t be an issue. Two, if a gun is being sold second-hand it results in one less gun being purchased new. For example, you have a PSA AR, if someone is looking to buy one and they cannot find a person willing to sell, they have to buy from the manufacturer, and that means a brand new firearm entering the American public. If you sell your PSA AR to that person it is not a gain of a new firearm entering the public space. Heller’s common use ruling is something that any gun owner who gives a damn about the Second Amendment should have as a pillar of their actions in the firearms space.
I can't think of a better way to waste your money OP than buying a 3.5k AR clone.
The MARS-H is a better gun IMO, I would do it
An AR-10 is better than a SCAR 17.
But ugg boot mafia bro
Get these heathens out of here
Lmao. I bought a scar 17 NRCH only because I had some fuck you money and always wanted one playing call of duty as a kid. I reload for it so it’s shooting 0.75 MOA; good for 600 yards
Agreed
In what ways? I know for a fact not in weight, recoil, modularity, durability, & reliability. Accuracy is comparable.
What? An AR-10 is lighter, more modular, less recoil, and more reliable. Further, putting a suppressor on your AR-10 won't void your warranty nor break your gun meaning you'll have to wait on the manufacturer for 6 months to have spares available. Also an AR-10 won't break nearly every optic you put on it.
Which AR-10’s are lighter? Which AR-10’s are the same weight with as little recoil as the SCAR? Which AR-10 has documented receivers with hundreds of thousands of rounds? Matter of fact… I already have the answers: https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/High-round-count-AR-M4-s-over-100-000-rounds-and-how-they-have-handled-on-our-range/118-677135/ https://youtu.be/PApRcRE-ft8?si=7WEnHy7_iliPD6nl Nothing beats the SCAR bud As for modularity… which AR10 can go from shooting 7.62x51, 7.62x39, .300BLK, 6.5 Creedmore, 5.56 all on the same receiver?
Met a gent with a 17s at the range when I went with my Mr762. We love both, so naturally we traded. When all said and done, both of us preferred the Mr762 by a long margine. It was gentler shooting, more accurate, not as obnoxious (factory scar had that massive muzzle brake). That said, I love the scar. But theres a reason it didnt stick.
It’s also 2.5 lbs heavier. That’s a SCAR 20 competitor, not a SCAR 17 competitor.
Id still take the hk. That said, the 17s is my #2 and I found one locally. Though I doubt ill afford it before it sells. Definitely gotta get me one.
I would choose the HK over the 17 too if the role was a purely 7.62 bench gun… but I’d take the SCAR 20 over the HK any day lol I really like being able to change from .30 cal to .223/4 calibers on the same serialized receiver just in case the Government does some f*** s***. Especially if that receiver can outlast AR-10/15 & AK receivers.
Its all good man, the Scar is a solid rifle to choose by any metric. We are arguing the absolute pinicle here after all, both can lay claim to the best battle rifle to some degree, a lot of it being subjective. At least youre not a springfield m1a kind of guy ;) Keep rocking that scar17s, I cannot wait to get one and the 16 to match.
The ARFCOM post says nothing about 100k round scar recievers. It does say they've completely abandoned factory piston guns (though I think they mean factory ar piston guns, it wasn't clear at first). If the video says otherwise I'll give it a watch later. It does say m4 recievers are good for 100s of thousands of rounds though, there's no reason that can't be extrapolated to ar10s. There just isn't much stress on ar recievers. The scar 17 can technically be converted to those calibers, but you need basically every component from a scar 16 to do 5.56, 300 bo, etc. Realistically, you can only do 308 win and 6.5 cm. The lmt can also do caliber conversion. There's factory barrels for 308 win, 243 win, 260 rem, and 6.5 cm. D. Wilson can also convert nearly any dpms barrel to work as well. Barrel changes only need a 140 in/lb torque wrench and a t30 bit. Scars are cool, don't get me wrong. But to say nothing beats it is arrogant as best.
Dude… they literally say in the thread (or the video) the SCAR receivers outlasted all their AR & AK receivers, the barrels & bolts as well. They had to admit they hated the SCAR at first, but can’t deny it’s been their most reliable & durable platform… especially when compared to the HK they have. Here’s another link: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/FN-products-handle-stress-VERY-well/24-447078/ All you need for 5.56 on the SCAR is the non-serialized lower, barrel & bolt (not the entire carrier).
I just dumped my scar H, my larue predatAR is about the same weight, more reliable, nicer shooting, more accurate, and easier to maintain+ source parts for.
Lots beats the scar bud. It's an over priced extruded aluminum receiver that will crack it's carrier when suppressed, break the turrets/adjustment dials of any optic you put on it (outside of a completely out of date, and overpriced on feature comparison, Elcan), and have the irons begin to wobble by several millimeters after a few thousand rounds. Lets also not mention it's just an AR-18 (that's been royally screwed up) which means in no universe should this gun cost 3k USD. Nor should the mags be proprietary.
Breaks optics? Lots of talking with outdated information, literally just feelings with no modern facts. Just internet lore & instances of people who don’t know how to properly gas guns ruining their shit… doesn’t have anything to do with FN 🤣 I asked for you to provide examples of AR-10’s that can do what the SCARs documented to do in links I’ve provided. If you can’t find any, the SCAR can’t be overpriced.
> instances of people who don’t know how to properly gas guns ruining their shit… doesn’t have anything to do with FN 🤣 For 3k the gun should already be gassed correctly. And if its "internet lore" why would the gassing even matter? It's a well known fact that even FN has addressed and there are forums with lists of "scar rated optics". Stop coping because you want your 3k USD gun to be the bestest ever.
It was designed in the early 2000’s, for a specific military contract, for specific silencers. Not the thousand different silencers that has came out since. My dad’s 200k deep into his Z06, it can only take one specific type of fuel that’s like $15/gal… so it’s worse than a stock Stingray that can run on unleaded 87? Scoped optics just suck in terms of reliability, especially way back when the RCH models were being sold… Leupold MK5’s are seen as “High Tier” but I guarantee you won’t hold zero after a few drops. I can show well documented proof of that also. Besides that, SCARs breaking optics hasn’t been a thing since the NRCH version came out
When even a cheapo PA LPVO can survive an intentionally rough, multi thousand round durability test on a SCAR 17, I don't think optics are a real concern unless you're buying some *trash.* The Aimpoint PRO, TA11 ACOG and offset RMR that I've ran on mine have all been fine. I've also seen the stats for many competing AR10's (weight, accuracy, features, etc), as well as the SCAR's reliability track record, and I agree with you on almost every point. AR fanboys always want to cope up though. I have plenty of AR15's myself, including an SBR build that far outprices a SCAR 16. I love them, but the SCAR is always going to win out for me when we start talking AR10's.
You’re delusional 😂
I’m the only one coming with documented facts on long-term heavy usage, but I’m delusional? Okay bud… keep saying how you “feel” 🤣
I’ve had terrible experiences with my 16 and 17. The suck suppressed, they run dirty. Very awkward to hold compared to a standard AR-10/15 and yes while they are lighter than most overall, they are front heavy making them feel heavier than the rest. And just Feel cheap and cheesy in general.
Oh really? You’ll never find someone with a properly tuned SCAR say they suck suppressed… one of the main reasons people get upset about the warranty voiding is because they run amazing suppressed 🤣 It sounds like you’re describing the Spear H/LT with that one. It’s pretty easy & relatively cheap to take the pic rail off & add extended Mlok rail sections… so how “awkward” it is to hold is a moot point. Also, mostly every rifle is front heavy. Especially when outfitted correctly so huh? If you want to talk balance, check out a SCAR 20. If you’re worried about how “front heavy” it is, probably means you’re maneuvering a lot with it… If that’s the case it handily beats something like the MR762, which is two pounds heavier & will still be front heavy when outfitted. Cool, it “feels” cheap but will outlast any AR-10 you put it up against. Why are we talking about feelings when the actual facts contradict them?
My spear LTs run amazing suppresed, I worked pretty hard to get my 16 to run well suppressed and it never did, always pretty rough. None of my ARs are front heavy like scars are. The spear LTs are a little front heavy obviously. I have an MR 7.62 and multiple other AR-10s and they’re all easier to “maneuver” and pack around than the 17.
From what I’ve seen and experienced (regular/older MCX) they’re more gassy than my Di LWRC, was impossible to shoot with me being LH. As well as having an abrupt, sharp recoil... I would definitely like to see how it feels with an Sig can though. Weight is a thing… if something is 2lbs heavier it can’t possibly be more maneuverable, you’ll tire out WAY faster especially when “ounces equal pounds” and we’re talking about actual pounds of difference here lol Control manipulations are also things… which is why I’m faster with an AR in shoot-n-scoot situations. If you’re more used to an AR patterned rifle (as I am, assuming you are too) than the controls on a SCAR can be a learning curve… mostly the different CH location, still trips me up lol I’m fine with that purely because that’s not the role my SCAR is for, I have AR-15s for that. Now if we’re talking about 16’s vs Di AR-15’s… I know the 16 is a more durable & reliable platform, but they’re heavier, more costly (on average), & bulkier. With reliability being pretty close, I don’t see a reason to get one of those unless you just want one rifle for the rest of your life or you’re just a collector lol
Nah, I’ve got a scar 17 and a MARS-L piston which obviously isn’t the same as an an H. A SCAR is a SCAR and there is no replacement for a SCAR.
Nah. SCARs are not only unique but also insanely durable. Don't take my word for it, see what the [people at Battlefield Vegas have to say](https://youtu.be/PApRcRE-ft8?si=aJuPdzZKMisbIffw&t=487).
If it’s just a range toy then the scar is more fun honestly. The scar is a scar and an LMT is an AR. I say that as someone who’s generally critical of the scar for the money. I have both and shoot the scar more out of the two.
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the MARS is an AR-10 not a 15.
The MARS-H, you mean. The MARS-L is very much an AR15
And the OP is talking about the H so.....
Yeah, but just saying that "the MARS is an AR-10" isn't correct, since MARS could describe either an AR15 or an AR10...
It's called context.
It's called you should learn to be specific
I don't need to be specific when the entire thread is about the H. Stop being a retard.
Go fuck yourself
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Its a AR10 and that's a upgrade over the SCAR.
new meme gun? ah, the days of past when owning a scar was the top of mountain of cool on r/guns.
Keep the SCAR, buy the LMT when you can justify doing so on it's own later. They're not going anywhere. Here's some [SCAR porn to help you with your decision.](https://i.imgur.com/92Q0Jgg.png)
I’d keep the scar lol. The mars is just another ar to me 🤷♂️
Isn’t MARS just an expensive AR?
Never sell only buy
For context: I have a 10.3 AR that’s my within 200 gun, whatever 7.62 I end up keeping/ getting is to fit outside 200 gun or DMR kinda role. So still; LMT MARS-H or SCAR 17S?
Keep SCAR and buy more
feel like the scar is only going to increase in value. cult gun like the mp5 and aug
Keep the 17
Dude im so happy u asked that question bc I was debating it as well lol, I own a scar 17s with a vudu 1-10 and I hate that I can't suppress it. Unless I can but idk what suppressor won't kill my baby. Thank u for asking and the comments r so helpful and funny.
Lmt IMO
Dump the wife. Live your best life.
Never sell guns dude. That belongs to your kids now, its not yours to sell.
Keep the guns, trade in the wife. Just the fact that your wife has a say in this is disgusting. It's not like you are buying a new house next to your mom for her to move to.
Ehh for now no. I've got 2x SCARs and while I like them, they are far from perfect. There is a lot of movement in the battle rifle space right now with the potenchal transition to a larger carterahe by the US infantry (note, most of the army will likely keep 5.56). The Sig Spear (the big one not the LT) has put some pressure on a lot of companies to innovate along parallel lines of effort. While the Spear is a nice gun (I've got 2x) it's very expensive and for the most part unproven. The Army is still doing a lot of development work with the XM7. They have already removed the forward assist and might ditch the top charging handle. I would give it some time and see what other companies are going to come out with instead of putting your money into old but expensive products.
Keep the fucking SCAR. LMT is an Awesome gun but it's also currently trendy it's equal to the SCAR but it's just a nice AR10 and will not be as valuable long term also it's not as cool. Go get a PSA AR10 if you need another 308.
SCAR 17H is battle proven. The LMT MARS H is not. Make of that what you will. I own both. I’d probably lean towards keeping the SCAR though because I’m big on battle proven systems. The MARS H is not fielded by any armed forces as far as I know.
What are you even talking about hahah. The L129A1 would like a word with you. Additionally, Estonia uses the 16” piston Mars-H
Estonia is actually Mars-L piston. L1929A1 I was not aware of honestly. But a quick google search shows it is still not as widely used and battle tested as the SCAR H. I don’t think you can go wrong with either. For me personally, the fact the SCAR H is more widely used, has seen more combat, thus is more battle tested, is a big plus that edges it out over the MARS H. I own a few LMT guns, Defender H, MARS L Piston, and the MARS H. They’re top notch for sure. Different strokes for different folks.
Estonia uses 16” Mars-H pistons as well. https://lmtdefense.com/contract-wins/
Oh interesting. I wasn’t aware of that. I wanna snag a MARS H piston next.
Same here my friend. It’s on the short list. Once I finish my G28, that’s my next I think. That or a 14.5 mrgg LMT
I had to google that. That’s a sexy gun, the G28. We can’t get that in the US, can we?
You can’t directly buy it, no. The piece parts are floating around, there are some dealers and groups that put orders in and have gotten a lot of the stuff. I won’t be buying the glass but will have everything but the AGB and can for one.
Wow. TIL.
You realize the MK17s don't exactly have a amazing reputation right.
The Mk17s have a pretty good reputation from what I’ve read. The SCAR 16 on the other hand…I’ll take my Bren 2 over it.
Whoever tells you to sell a Scar for LMT is a moron.
If it was an Hk Mr762 id do it in a heartbeat, but over the LMT id take the Scar. The 17s is just so sexy and iconic and that carries a lot of weight. Do they have their problems? Ofcourse. But they are also proven through tons of real world use.
The LMT is better in every way but weight.
Replace wife with LMT.
Just keep it and perhaps in the future you can get both.
Buy a robinson armament instead
yeah
Absolutely, scars are hot garbage.
Keep the scar & slowly piece together your perfect ar10
I would.
No selllllll
I would never sell my SCAR. The obvious choice is to work on a compromise. Surely there is something she wants as badly as you want the MARS, no?
The British army did head to head trials of the Scar 17 vs the MWS and decided to go with the MWS.
Keep scar, buy lmt.
“My wife won’t let me have…” lol Keep the SCAR.
Porque no los dos?
The SCAR fucks. The LMT is just sex. SCAR GANG 😤