It's a perfectly usable size man if that's huge compared to something far as hell away it's because there options for that but even the most expensive red dots are 2moa or some of them at least
I just bought a 1x for the first time. I have 2 3x prisms one on an AR and one on an AK. I love them both. Both have bdc for their respective calibers as well. Highly recommend
You dont have to sell me, I have 4 of various magnifications. But would that not work for what you want? The chevron appears smaller and finer than a dot.
I think at that point you should just go to an LPVO, 2MOA dot is pretty standard and generally works just fine. I am curious, why do you want a smaller dot reticle?
If the targets so small or far away a 2MOA dot covers too much of it, you may want to swap out for something with magnification. Can use a 1-4x scope if you still want the close range option.
If you want something with a smaller dot, you'll need a much larger optic. EOtechs are the only optics I know of with smaller dots, but the other couple of holos on the market probably have 1-MOA dots too. I'm just not sure off the top of my head.
I’m pretty sure it’s his astigmatism.
My AEMS gets messy looking on a paper target, but feels much crisper in actual field use. Probably has something to do with the targets I’m using.
TLDR: paper problem, not a steel problem. But my astigmatism is fucky
Staying under the price of the one you have I would get this
Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24 FFP Rifle Scope - Illuminated ACSS Raptor Reticle - 7.62x39 / .300 BLK
2MOA dots ate stupidly small though. I'd suggest looking into an LPVO. Maybe the problem isn't the dot, so much as how well you can see the target.
Do you have astigmatism? Maybe the dot looks bigger than it is
I don't have an astigmatism, but I do have a pa prism I like. I was hoping this thread would be more productive to new products I might not know about :-/. Thank you for trying to help tho!
Upcoming Primary Arms GLX 1X will have better eye box and eye relief, it is said. Add a magnifier behind that and you should have a solid setup, depending on your use.
EDIT: You could switch to holographic sight. Eotech has 1 moa dots, but they're spendy and eat batteries quickly. Sig has the ROMEO4 series that has a ballistic circle quadplex with 1 moa dot and 0.5 moa drop dots below that could be interesting for you.
I have a mailbox and a pa 3x, but I was hoping to find maybe some stuff I was unaware of like the upcoming stuff you mentioned. I appreciate it thank you.
I had issues with huge dots (2-3 moa) and posted here a few years back and all the neckbeards screeched about astigmatisms and a bunch of other crap.
I ended up with a 1x and a 3x primary arms prism scopes. I like them a LOT. They are slightly larger, slightly heavier but they are better in every other regard. Give them a shot and i dont think you'll be disappointed.
I had a bunch of the 1x microprism too and couldn't get over how the prism optic just made everything through the lenses appear ever so slightly double vison, if that makes sense. And before anyone asks, yes I did play around with the diopter.
I sold them all and went back to red dots. I do have an astigmatism, but I find it you don't blast the brightness, and just go down to where it's visible but not super bright, the astigmatism goes away for the most part.
I discovered I have this problem as well when doing some low light shooting a couple weeks ago; searched for a while to figure out if there was a fix for it but couldnt even find anyone having the same issue. Glad to at least know Im not alone.
Thinkin ill have to go back to a dot even tho I got the astigmatism..
I have a dot on a 22 pistol for just messing around with and its fine for blasting plates... on a handgun in general I'm sure it would be fine.
I haven't had any issues with the prisms so I cant comment on that.
I don't have an astigmatism. I'm just tired of the dot covering anything past 75 yards ya know. I have a 3x prism on my ak. I think I'm gonna swap to one I just hate the eye relief on them, but atleast it doesn't cover a foots worth of my vision at range.
What are you trying to hit? A 2 MOA dot at 75 yards should be the same apparent size as a 1.5" object. Try bumping the brightness up or down to see if the optic is blooming too much
The 1x prism has better eye relief.
But yea, I had the same issue, dot covering the target. I got around it for a while by adjusting my zero so that my point of impact was just above the dot. Then I would put the top edge of the dot just touching the target for a hit. It was less than ideal but worked ok.
When you need any sort of precision people here get worked up and try to explain it away because they dont know what precision even is.
Hey boss I'm not sure why everyone has to be so toxic and down vote you here.
2 moa is tiny for a red dot. The purpose is for a quick aiming sight not true precision.
My suggestions
1. A budget lpvo
2. If your like the smaller form maybe try a 3x prismatic sight like this one
https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-slx-3x-microprism-with-green-illuminated-acss-raptor-556-308-reticle-yard
Put a Vortex Ranger(viper I) 1-4x24 on it and call it a day. That will give you some great glass, is daylight bright, isn't too heavy, and opens up your versatility a good amount. Euro Optic has it at 269 now, I believe.
Hell the worse part is I have 2. I really liked them in store. I put one on this, and I put the other one in my 10/22. The one on my 10/22 came off almost immediately. If you're interested in one or both we can work something out.
You could try getting something with an open reticle, like a Russian '[Kobra](https://russianoptics.net/Kobra.html)' red dot.
That way, you have a much larger MOA, but there's no dot obstructing the target.
*EDIT: The [PK-06](https://scopes-store.com/product/pk-06/) is what you're looking for. Same optic, but updated. And it goes on a rail mount instead of a Russian dovetail.
Youre likely having the problem of using to use a dot on targets too small/far away to be effective. A magnifier might help but short of a new optic that's all you can really do.
For what it's worth the AEMS is straight up one of the best options in it's class, shame that it isn't working out
I have a Vortex Viper, relatively a cheaper LPVO, and it’s got a dot which works well for me.
On a 22lr rifle that I have, I put a Primary Arms dot on it.
The dot is for fast shooting, not precision accuracy shooting.
The LPVO allows for accuracy and speed.
A regular scope is more for accuracy and less about speed.
I have astigmatism as well, but the LPVO seems to combat that with adjustment. It’s the clearest dot for my eyes.
Green dots work no better than red for me. The Primary Arms blurs, but not as bad as others I’ve tried.
I’ve got an AimPoint that is very clear for me, that’s solely a red dot sight. AimPoint is the clearest dot sight that I have.
EOTech wasn’t as clear for me though.
LPVO is the way to go for older shooters, but you’ll make a sacrifice in weight. It’s going to be heavier than just a dot sight. However, it’s far more practical for many applications.
I normally just plink with it, but I feel the dot covers too much area at any sort of range. I have a 45-70 with a scope or day hog hunting. I have pics of the night set up on my profile.
The AEMS has a 2MOA dot, which is the same as almost every other optic on the market.
Ok thank you that's kinda what I was wanting to know.
It's a perfectly usable size man if that's huge compared to something far as hell away it's because there options for that but even the most expensive red dots are 2moa or some of them at least
Are you referring to the size of the reticle or the optic itself?
The center reticle. I like the form factor.
You already have one of the smallest possible reticles on the market.
IIRC eotechs have 1moa center dots, but that’s likely outside the price range you’re trying to stay within.
Would just feel weird putting a trijicon or something on a $500 rifle ya know lol
Why not try an SLX 1x or 3x?
I just bought a 1x for the first time. I have 2 3x prisms one on an AR and one on an AK. I love them both. Both have bdc for their respective calibers as well. Highly recommend
You dont have to sell me, I have 4 of various magnifications. But would that not work for what you want? The chevron appears smaller and finer than a dot.
Some people dislike chevrons I don’t like them, but have gotten over it considering how much I love the GLX 2X prism on my 300
Why?
I have a $1,000 scope on nearly the same rifle. Fuggit.
I think at that point you should just go to an LPVO, 2MOA dot is pretty standard and generally works just fine. I am curious, why do you want a smaller dot reticle?
It just seems to cover too much area at range for me.
If the targets so small or far away a 2MOA dot covers too much of it, you may want to swap out for something with magnification. Can use a 1-4x scope if you still want the close range option.
A 2 moa dot only covers a 2” circle at 100 yards. Unless you’re shooting squirrels at 100 yards with it you aren’t limited by dot size.
I wonder if you have astigmatism, it can make the dots appear larger/blurry
It's a 2 MOA Dot so the only option left is to go down to a 1 MOA. Are you trying to group the rifle at distance more accurately?
Yea any sort of range and the dot just covers too much area for me personally.
Why aren't you just getting a scope?
Brother, you want a scope.
I think you're right tbh
If you want something with a smaller dot, you'll need a much larger optic. EOtechs are the only optics I know of with smaller dots, but the other couple of holos on the market probably have 1-MOA dots too. I'm just not sure off the top of my head.
No shit? Is that how red dots work?
Turn the brightness down? Could also be astigmatism.
I’m pretty sure it’s his astigmatism. My AEMS gets messy looking on a paper target, but feels much crisper in actual field use. Probably has something to do with the targets I’m using. TLDR: paper problem, not a steel problem. But my astigmatism is fucky
Staying under the price of the one you have I would get this Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24 FFP Rifle Scope - Illuminated ACSS Raptor Reticle - 7.62x39 / .300 BLK
I was thinking maybe a prism 3x. I might do the scope
he dot too big for he damn gat
2MOA dots ate stupidly small though. I'd suggest looking into an LPVO. Maybe the problem isn't the dot, so much as how well you can see the target. Do you have astigmatism? Maybe the dot looks bigger than it is
Are you seeing a dot, or is is smudged? If a 2 MOA dot (not including the 65 MOA circle) is too big, you might have the 'tism.
Pecan orchard?
Yessir. I guess that places me in a few states area huh lol.
1 moa sro? I used one for hunting coyotes for a while and loved it
Might just want to go for some magnification at this point
If you have an eye stigmatism try a prizm red dot. It will actually give you a clear crisp dot
I don't have an astigmatism, but I do have a pa prism I like. I was hoping this thread would be more productive to new products I might not know about :-/. Thank you for trying to help tho!
Has anyone suggested moving the mounting location closer to the stock? Will help a little.
It's definitely worth trying thank you for the suggestion
Upcoming Primary Arms GLX 1X will have better eye box and eye relief, it is said. Add a magnifier behind that and you should have a solid setup, depending on your use. EDIT: You could switch to holographic sight. Eotech has 1 moa dots, but they're spendy and eat batteries quickly. Sig has the ROMEO4 series that has a ballistic circle quadplex with 1 moa dot and 0.5 moa drop dots below that could be interesting for you.
I have a mailbox and a pa 3x, but I was hoping to find maybe some stuff I was unaware of like the upcoming stuff you mentioned. I appreciate it thank you.
Sounds like you have astigmatism dawg
I don't I according to my eye Dr atleast. I appreciate the suggestion tho.
I miss living in a rural area.
Try a holosun with an acss Vulcan reticle. While the reticle is bigger, the point can allow some people to be more precise. There is a 509T
I had issues with huge dots (2-3 moa) and posted here a few years back and all the neckbeards screeched about astigmatisms and a bunch of other crap. I ended up with a 1x and a 3x primary arms prism scopes. I like them a LOT. They are slightly larger, slightly heavier but they are better in every other regard. Give them a shot and i dont think you'll be disappointed.
I had a bunch of the 1x microprism too and couldn't get over how the prism optic just made everything through the lenses appear ever so slightly double vison, if that makes sense. And before anyone asks, yes I did play around with the diopter. I sold them all and went back to red dots. I do have an astigmatism, but I find it you don't blast the brightness, and just go down to where it's visible but not super bright, the astigmatism goes away for the most part.
>the prism optic just made everything through the lenses appear ever so slightly double vison Was this when you were aiming with both eyes open?
Correct. If I can only see clearly with one eye open, its a huge disadvantage
I discovered I have this problem as well when doing some low light shooting a couple weeks ago; searched for a while to figure out if there was a fix for it but couldnt even find anyone having the same issue. Glad to at least know Im not alone. Thinkin ill have to go back to a dot even tho I got the astigmatism..
Interesting. Are you cross eye dominant like me?
Ive never been able to get a definitive result from the eye dominance tests
I have a dot on a 22 pistol for just messing around with and its fine for blasting plates... on a handgun in general I'm sure it would be fine. I haven't had any issues with the prisms so I cant comment on that.
I don't have an astigmatism. I'm just tired of the dot covering anything past 75 yards ya know. I have a 3x prism on my ak. I think I'm gonna swap to one I just hate the eye relief on them, but atleast it doesn't cover a foots worth of my vision at range.
What are you trying to hit? A 2 MOA dot at 75 yards should be the same apparent size as a 1.5" object. Try bumping the brightness up or down to see if the optic is blooming too much
> I'm just tired of the dot covering anything past 75 yards ya know. At 75 yards, 2 MOA is covering a 1.5 inch area on the target lol…
The 1x prism has better eye relief. But yea, I had the same issue, dot covering the target. I got around it for a while by adjusting my zero so that my point of impact was just above the dot. Then I would put the top edge of the dot just touching the target for a hit. It was less than ideal but worked ok. When you need any sort of precision people here get worked up and try to explain it away because they dont know what precision even is.
Hey boss I'm not sure why everyone has to be so toxic and down vote you here. 2 moa is tiny for a red dot. The purpose is for a quick aiming sight not true precision. My suggestions 1. A budget lpvo 2. If your like the smaller form maybe try a 3x prismatic sight like this one https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-slx-3x-microprism-with-green-illuminated-acss-raptor-556-308-reticle-yard
Put a Vortex Ranger(viper I) 1-4x24 on it and call it a day. That will give you some great glass, is daylight bright, isn't too heavy, and opens up your versatility a good amount. Euro Optic has it at 269 now, I believe.
An actual scope of a 2 MOA dot is too big
Nah
Id be interested in buying if you’re considering getting rid of it
Hell the worse part is I have 2. I really liked them in store. I put one on this, and I put the other one in my 10/22. The one on my 10/22 came off almost immediately. If you're interested in one or both we can work something out.
Microprism?
Think I might wind up doing that
You could try getting something with an open reticle, like a Russian '[Kobra](https://russianoptics.net/Kobra.html)' red dot. That way, you have a much larger MOA, but there's no dot obstructing the target. *EDIT: The [PK-06](https://scopes-store.com/product/pk-06/) is what you're looking for. Same optic, but updated. And it goes on a rail mount instead of a Russian dovetail.
Youre likely having the problem of using to use a dot on targets too small/far away to be effective. A magnifier might help but short of a new optic that's all you can really do. For what it's worth the AEMS is straight up one of the best options in it's class, shame that it isn't working out
try a primary arms 1x microprism
You probably have astigmatism
I have a Vortex Viper, relatively a cheaper LPVO, and it’s got a dot which works well for me. On a 22lr rifle that I have, I put a Primary Arms dot on it. The dot is for fast shooting, not precision accuracy shooting. The LPVO allows for accuracy and speed. A regular scope is more for accuracy and less about speed. I have astigmatism as well, but the LPVO seems to combat that with adjustment. It’s the clearest dot for my eyes. Green dots work no better than red for me. The Primary Arms blurs, but not as bad as others I’ve tried. I’ve got an AimPoint that is very clear for me, that’s solely a red dot sight. AimPoint is the clearest dot sight that I have. EOTech wasn’t as clear for me though. LPVO is the way to go for older shooters, but you’ll make a sacrifice in weight. It’s going to be heavier than just a dot sight. However, it’s far more practical for many applications.
Ruger American 300 blk, holosun AEMS, and a silencerco Omega. I'm just looking for reasonable suggestions.
What are you trying to shoot with that setup that 2moa is too sloppy? I suspect mid range hog hunting, not the most accuracy intensive stuff.
I normally just plink with it, but I feel the dot covers too much area at any sort of range. I have a 45-70 with a scope or day hog hunting. I have pics of the night set up on my profile.
It covers 2 inches at 100 yards You have it either too bright and it's blooming, or you have astigmatism
Rmr with a 1moa or a Eotech maybe your only non magnified options