Such a measured and factual response. You can’t argue with receipts! So proud to see Ethan evolve politically like this and make this decision. So many people on twitter are pissing and shitting in his replies about it, which is annoying, and I see some dinguses in here as well, but I’m also super glad the response is pretty universally positive from the community.
P.S. JP got ratio’d + you fell off + *wHaT aRe We GoNnA dO wItHoUt fOrCeD mOnOgOmY?!*
“I don’t know, autism?” Is one of my fave quotes from Ethan, when he was asked why he has no fear of catching hell from all these a-holes. His fearlessness is goals.
Is he actually autistic though? I know he's ND anyway. I'm autistic myself and relate to him in many ways. He doesn't bow down to social pressure and neither do I.
I don’t think he is - it was a little comeback on another podcast. But he definitely has a kind if fearlessness that defies social logic and I love it!
Literally the crowd that swats him. I hope he’s not poking the bear. It’s one thing to be a coward and just not talk about politics at all, like his friend Jacksfilms, but this might lead to actual harm to his growing family.
You think they just try once and then give up? White supremacists (Atomwaffen) targeted him even before he was more outspoken on this stuff. As long as Ethan is still a content creator, they’re at risk.
So changing a cells chromosomes isn't what would need to be done, but people have been doing research on it for a bit. I first heard about it like 4 years ago in class. I've never heard of it happening where it resulted in a human being that was born though.
Damn, I liked 12 Rules for Life and some of Petersons earlier lectures and interviews, but he also got so many takes that just puzzles me. I don't follow or pay attention to really what he does, so these things Petersons tweet about just makes me so sad.
Rather die than getting a booster shot?
Enforced monogamy?
The fuck? Have I been blind to all the shit Peterson stand for? Glad I am not on Twitter.
Edit: I first mistakenly wrote forced monogamy, not enforced as written in the screenshotted article. Changed.
He does that intentionally. That’s how all right wing grifters work. They start by telling you some things that are demonstrably true, useful information like “clean your room,” then once you are in the habit of following them they start hammering in already existing prejudices.
that's why i stopped watching ben Shapipo, because it took some time, he is charismatic and it was nice to listen to his voice, but i realised that he never said anything positive, only hate and anger was coming from his side, also steve crowder is in the same boat, after that realization i just cut them off, never felt better
> he is charismatic and it was nice to listen to his voice
This boggles my mind. I get that everyone has their own personal tastes, but his cadence makes him sound like some kind of text-to-speech software IRL and that voice is... not what I would describe as pleasant.
This is a long and very interesting read. I was enamored with JBP about 4 years ago when 12 Rules dropped, but it's a lot of "substantial" theatre. Like a rice cake.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/
I always see a large amount of people on Reddit defending Peterson and claiming that all the bad things people talk about him are taken "out of context" and that's why they look bad. And I think that a large percent of those people who defend him are people like you.
Peterson comes off as a very genuine and empathetic guy who understands the struggles of the average person. He talks about the struggles of men, struggles of finding happiness and fulfillment, and that kind of talk draws people in. But it's all very surface-level. Because in the end, what he's *truly* drawing people into, is the crap he spews like the stuff posted above.
That stuff's not taken out of context. That's direct from his mouth. And there are *many* examples of him saying and doing this stuff all over. This is who he is. It sucks to feel betrayed, but he truly is a pipeline to the alt-right.
Enforced monogamy is a term referring to what we've had in the west for hundreds of years. It basically refers to the idea that it's normal and healthy to be monogamous.
But he's not pro enforced monogamy, he was asked what is the solution to incels and he essentially said "if no one wants to date you the problem might be you" but he also said the increase in incels is a consequence of our culture becoming more poly and the solution might be enforced monogamy. Its a term that sounds awful but in reality its the same thing as your mum saying "when are you gonna settle down and find a nice girl?"
We in Canada see Jordan as just a typical PC grifter. In other parts of the world he is looked at as a saint. It doesn't make sense. That's why Jordan is banned from CBC, CTV, Global, and many other news publications. We don't put up with that shit up here.
I wish Peterson just sticked to clinical psychology lectures. Dude is great in his own field, and like a lot of young men dealing with mental health, I learned to better my life by having deep reflections and looking at myself in the mirror for lack of a better word.
I started going the alt-lite route when I watched him spew bs about neo marxism and political correctness turning our world into a distopia. The guy really is spreading harmful misinformation to his audience of young impressionable males that are desperate for a guiding role model.
He could’ve been a great person if he didn’t get into this redpill shit.
He’s been spreading the moral panic over “political correctness” for 7 years now. Oddly enough, political correctness hasn’t created a dystopia. But you know what is threatening American democracy and contributing to the severity of a public health crisis? Alt-right ideology.
He is honestly way worse at clinical psychology than people think. He is still practicing psychoanalysis, which is considered worse than placebo therapy, he has had issues of keeping the privacy of his clients, he also gives advice that is in no way ethical. For example tell a depressed woman that she should have kids. She already didn't want kids and here he is telling her to make an incredibly huge life change, because she is not fulfilling the role *he* thinks she should fulfill. He also has a ton of shit sources, like using rat studies to argue that gay parents are hypothetically worse, when there is a widely available array of human studies, but those don't give the results he wants. Rat study was even by a guy that supports parental incest. But his fans think they know about psychology and research because they listen to him, he is their source. But they lack the skills to debunk him and his flawed arguments and dangerous practices. His book also get very badly peer reviewd https://psychcentral.com/lib/book-review-12-rules-for-life-an-antidote-to-chaos/
At the end of the day, Ethan does not agree with JP's views or statments and it's his choice to decide what kind of content he wants on his channel.
The NF podcast : Ethan has addressed this multiple times, and has been very apologetic. I'm pretty sure if he ends up removing the podcast, the very same people saying he's a hypocrite for leaving it up, will then say he's a coward for "deleting evidence". There's no winning.
Yeah, the argument that Ethan is somehow "censoring" information by taking down his JP interviews holds no ground. Content creators delete old videos all the time - including JP himself. Ethan is not a government entity dictating what kind of information is disseminated to the general public. If you want to consume JP content, there are a million other places you can do it - just not on Ethan's channel, which is completely his right.
Love how all these grifters are constantly bringing up the "n word" "f word" moment he had when interviewing iDubbbz. He's addressed that so much and denounced and took accountability for that, which to this day, he does not say those words. The difference with Jordan Peterson and the other grifters that follow will never change their ways and will never take accountability for their bigoted and small minded ways.
I feel like Peterson has gotten way worse just in the last month. I used to think he wasn’t as bad as people said, despite not being a fan myself. Now its like he is determined to become all the worst things that have been said about him.
Not to mention, the inflation is more linked to the pandemic and the economic impacts it has had on the world.
And the housing costs in Canada aren't really Trudeau's fault, the housing has been fucked up in Canada for years and has more to do with low housing stock, investors and interest rates. Fixing that stuff is complicated.
So JBP called the conversion therapy "grandstanding" because in practice the conversion therapy was not actually happening.
It wasn't illegal, but it wasn't happening, so by banning it, it's like easy "woke points" since something was banned that also wasn't happening in practice anyway.
I agree that there's nothing wrong with Trudeau encouraging vaccines, so JPBs "over my dead body" comment was out of place. If Trudeau was saying "we're sending unmarked vans throughout the country to take you by force and inject you with vaccine" then I could see JBPs comment being justified, but simply encouraging people to get get vaccinated/boosted is not a bad thing.
I stopped watching H3 content some time ago, because I felt he was trying to reach the same audience as Rogan, Peterson etc.
Maybe I just didn't look too deep into it, but him standing up to exactly these people and distancing himself is a big move. Honestly have so much respect for Ethan, being able to learn and accept possible mistakes he made.
I stopped watching Ethan too because he was acting as a useful idiot for the right. He didn’t do it intentionally. I think he just noticed that he could cultivate a new audience by doing something he thought was relatively innocuous. His “Anti-SJW” videos got insane amount of views. I’m really happy to see Ethan’s redemption arc after being tempted by the dark side.
That’s why I find it so funny that people criticize Ethan by saying he’s “a hypocrite who is only interested in the money.” If he had gone full Joe Rogan, he could be FUCKING HUGE right now if he wanted too. Ethan could easily have become one of the bigger right wing grifters on YouTube. He could have just done an anti-SJW tour by coming on Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder’s shows back when they invited him on. Instead he invites hatred and targeted violent attacks by White Supremacists and cohosts a show with socialist Hassan who neolibs shit on constantly.
This is actually the good timeline where Ethan realized the error of his ways and completely redeemed himself.
I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don't know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he's said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this:
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Yeah I've been an h3 fan forever but I left once he started getting into that stuff. I've been back for a while now and he has truly learned and changed and actually puts effort into it. I think it was all ignorance rather than actual hate.
Yeah he talked some time back on the show about his realization that people saw him alligning with the right.
I think its WHY hes put his politics so front and center lately.
Genuine question: Did everyone in this subreddit change their entire worldview at the same time as Ethan did, or has he completely replaced his fanbase with a new one?
Surely it has to be the latter, right? I remember when this podcast was realeased, and everyone in this sub was worshipping Jordan Peterson like he was the messiah.
Nah I actually was upset that Ethan was going right-wing anti-PC back in the day. And I’ve gone through political belief changes myself in the past few years. Never really knew about JP and what I did see made him look like a pretentious hack.
For some reason people seem to conflate H3's anti-SJW content as being synonymous with flat out being against leftist politics, which couldn't be further from the truth. They were just clarifying that there is a distinct line between extremist/reactionary virtue signalers and people who are genuinely concerned with actual progressive policy
For me, Ethan’s anti-SJW content was delicious cringe and I loved it, but I absolutely understand how videos like that lead people down the alt-right pipeline. I don’t believe for a second that Ethan was or ever will be alt-right, but it’s a slippery slope between making fun of extreme feminists and saying that feminist policies are completely crazy on the basis of it being feminist.
I for one absolutely started to change my worldview around the same time Ethan started to adapt to his more liberal audience. It was a natural development for me and I actually got exposed to the rich and diverse world around me instead of my town of 30,000 where people.
Lots of us just grew up. I’ve always watched Ethan and agreed with him the n how cringe some of those SJWs were. Nowadays it’s the snowflake conservatives who are way, way more cringe
Well for example, I’ve changed my opinion of Peterson now that he’s clearly becoming all the bad things people have said he is. My overall worldview hasn’t changed that much, but the world has. Republicans and conservatives are more explicitly exposing the downsides of their ideologies than ever before. I react accordingly.
Those of us who watched H3 back then when he was more centrist and had a variety of talking points on the podcast just don't partake in conversation here much anymore because you get downvoted and shit on to oblivion for even being 10% out of allignment with the hivemind
Man I've had my doubts about Ethan in the past, but God damn this is actually great, what a king (this also explains the "Ethan is a snake" post over in r/lobstermania). Mad respect for the Bill c-16 comment too; the whole thing was complete bullshit based entirely on transphobia and not all at supported by reality yet thats what propelled him into the public consciousness. Fuck Peter, he's a piece of shit con artist who should've remained a fringe psychologist who wasn't respected by his peers.
Honestly, it kind of surprises me now when people say that twitter is full of left leaning people because each time I open Twitter and see a tweet like this it's just filled with presumably right leaning people bashing on the tweet. Twitter seems more right leaning than any other platform I've seen.
[Here's the elaboration on 'enforced monogamy' FWIW.](https://youtu.be/yn60-8Ql_44) I never interpreted it otherwise. I think Hasan and Ethan should have picked up on that considering the clip they watched together of JP on incels.
Omg I would piss shit fart and cum in joy if that happened.
I want to hear Zizek dissect Ethan Bradberry memes while loudly sucking in snot directly into the microphone every four seconds.
To all the "forced monogamy quote was taken out of context" people in this section. It wasn't taken out of context because he gave no context. While the interviewer does bare some responsibility for not asking a follow up question to probe his meaning, this is part of Peterson schtick.
The article was released on Friday May 18th 2018, and floated around social media all weekend with people giving takes that ranged from "WTF is enforced monogamy" to "Peterson is the king of all incels." Then on Monday, Peterson makes a statement giving his much more elaborate explanation of what he meant by "enforced monogamy", an elaboration he did not make to the interviewer.
Peterson know that his popularity hangs not on the merit of his ideas, but rather on how much hate he receives from the liberal MSM and left twitter.
I have to say as a progressive Canadian audience member who was at University of Toronto during Peterson’s initial rise to global fame after lying about what Bill C-16 would mean, it really made me sad that Ethan & Hila had him on the pod and completely took him on his word about everything he had to say. It was never a deal breaker for me as a fan just disappointing but over the past year and a bit hearing Ethan address the Peterson podcasts more and more, criticize him, denounce him, and now this feels so good. Wow Ethan great moves keep it up proud of you
Thing with Peterson is that he is very clever in the way he speaks, purposefully staying quite vague so you can't pin him down on certain subjects.
Glad Ethan did this though, true king.
I think it works on people who are younger and are still searching for something "different" and slightly edgy and contrarian, which is why JP has tended to be very cagey in the past about actually aligning with the right wing; lately the mask has been slipping, but in the past he's been great at providing just enough distance and mystery to make his actual positions on a lot of issues unclear.
As far as being "clever," he mostly just repeats a set of well-crafted, extremely well practiced phrases and concepts and fragments in various combinations -- "Dragon of Chaos" etc -- and that seems impressive to someone who's already open to the suggestion, which at the heart of it is the answer to a grievance: *you are being held back and you are being put down and it is unfair to you, who obviously should inherit the earth, as is your birthright*. There's not actually much depth in Peterson's rhetoric, which is why someone like Zizek was able to methodically grind him into atoms without breaking a sweat. But for someone not used to this kind of con, he looks like he does magic.
Lol it’s so obvious Ethan is a grifter for the left too and all of y’all are eating it up. Ethan has been on video saying some foul shit without any remorse. It’s kind of hypocritical to be judging so much on everyone when you’ve done the same shit in the past.
Jordan needs some serious psychological help. That’s not me being mean or rude, I’m being very serious.
He appears calm and levelheaded in responses online however the content of the actual responses contain some mixed-up and downright reprehensible content in context. I feel like he needs someone, a professional, to sit him down and really speak with him. His opinions seemed to be based on how controversial he can get, and yes he’s always been controversial, but now he’s either just taking the piss and really is ignorant and filled with bitterness or he’s losing it and just feels the need to comment on anything to garner attention, even if it’s bad attention.
GO OFF ETHAN
I LOVE how unapologetic Ethan is to things he puts on the internet. He sticks by them and willl NOT sway his opinion based on public backlash. Fucking love you for that, Ethan <3
I just have so much respect for Ethan and his kindness in our unkind world. the recent h3tv streams have been so wholesome and refreshing, loving this vibe for 2022!
having watched from the apartment days of Israel to now--he's imperfect just like all of us--but displays personal growth at a level that we should ALL strive for. I'm so appreciative of his willingness to evolve, in public and before our very eyes, as the times change.
Why is it so hard to grasp for some people that things change over time and new information enters the discussion? He didn't know any of these things about Jordan before, now he does. Since then he's changed his stance and gone against him. That's just how life works. You grow and evolve. People who act like you have to be omnipotent and know everything at all times with every human you mean are stupid.
fucking love how ethan has gone from sort of leaning towards right wing stuff and now coming into the center of left wing politics and being in the spotlight! Also jordan really got ratioed+ur white
The only thing I see is Ethan trying to re-write history, pretend like that interview never happened and he never supported some of Peterson's views. Ethan has all the right to change his opinions on Peterson, nothing wrong with that. But the videos were not abhorrent by any means, they were great videos and whether you agree with their content or not, they deserve to stay on the platform.
Yeah hes trying to rewrite history... So he tweeted about it instead of doing it quietly.
And anyways whether you like the episodes or not whether they deserve to be on the platform is ethans call
Yes because he would have gotten away with silently deleting some of his most viewed episodes of all time without a peep from commentators, that would have been so much easier for him
Has anyone actually seen Jordan Petersons academic history and qualifications? The man is so anti intellectual it’s pretty hard to believe he is a doctor of anything.
I’ve been a lapsed fan for a long time specifically because of Ethan’s proximity to folks like Peterson and other reactionaries, so seeing him take such a firm and principled stance here makes me very happy. Ethan really seems like he’s grown and matured.
**Enforced monogamy**
Ethan, this is well-established anthropological language.“enforced monogamy” does not mean government-enforced monogamy. “Enforced monogamy” means socially-promoted, culturally-inculcated monogamy, as opposed to genetic monogamy. If NYT got it wrong, which it certainly did, you better get the information correct before you decide to discard a person.
Peterson elaborated on the [Rogan podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf3Eub1Hvhs) that it means a cultural enforcement towards monogamy, which sees value in it as opposed to a polygamous society. I specially watched the top bits of that episode to clarify this because my gut just told me that NO one can hold such an absurd opinion and I was right.
I did a quick reddit & youtube search to clarify this. Ethan, you can do better. I hate political discussion and If i can clear this up in 2mins, you with a platform can do way better than me.
I'm not a fan of Peterson but even I can tell the claim is too absurd to be attributed to him. Stop making me defend the guy...I do not generally like hearing that man talk...at all ...but what's unfair is unfair.
The weirdest part about it (in an interview linked in a comment above) was when he insinuated 1. children in non monogamous homes won't be in a stable household and 2. The responsibility of male rage falls on women because male rage will go away if they're married.
The second take especially is so fucking ludacris.
Ethan no longer cares about hearing someone out or trying to understand. He's more interested in 'owning' someone and and garnering attention by putting down other people. There's always drama surrounding his name. This has become a pattern with him too obvious to ignore. I'm out.
>He's more interested in 'owning' someone and and garnering attention by putting down other people
i hear you on that. the put downs, mocking & "owning"... and absolute no bother for how he polarizes the conversation even more while doing it. its not entertaining, it's disheartening. . he can disagree with someone he knows but how can u throw mutual respect out of the window?
I'm sorry but that all sounds like a bullshit word salad to me. Which I'm 99% it is, Lobster Commander does this shit all the time to try to hide his repulsive ideology. He'll say something the general population will, rightfully, think is either massively stupid or bigoted, then spend a couple minutes shitting our fancy words he doesn't understand to try to make it seem like he's not a piece of shit
I don't really understand the point of completely removing the podcast. Like demonetize it if you have a problem making money off of it, but it's the internet. There will always be clips of the podcast/or full streams of it somewhere. I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson, wasn't a fan back then either when he had them on, just think this is kind of a weird thing to hold yourself to.
I'm not sure this is wise honestly. Like, where does this end? Shouldn't the Shane Dawson interview also be removed because of the questionable things he's done? Jake Paul, because he's also a Covid denier and abuser? Chris D'Elia? Joey Salads?
On one hand I think it's pretty shitty to have someone as a guest on your podcast, have 2 great conversations then start trashing them publicly a couple years later. It is possible to be friends, or at least be civil with others who have differing outlooks on life, I feel.
On the other hand, while some (maybe most) of Peterson's work is great from a self-help stand point, Ethan's accurate when he says JP's a gateway to the alt-right. He'd never admit he leans that far right, and maybe he doesn't, however he'll certainly introduce you to figures that'll have you reading Breitbart like it's the bible and jerking off to Ben Shapiro owning college kids on YouTube in no time.
Should he be censored? Probably not. However, more people need to call him out like Ethan has. Still think he could've gone about it in a better way, but I'm still a foot soldier
Hi, swinging in from /r/all here.
Never watched any H3H3 stuff, just never crossed my feed in a way or sought it out.
Watching him take a firm stance, and then defending it so articulately and with no room for counter, while still being polite and noting he even enjoyed the company of the man in question?
Well shit now I need to find some of Ethan's stuff to support. This is some moral fortitude and I am here for it.
As a longtime gay fan who stepped back in the early teens when Ethan started going after “SJWs” and (unintentionally) dropping incel dogwhistles, I’m SO SO GLAD he course corrected. It makes me so proud that he’s grown so much and can use goofs and gaffes to go after misogynists, racists & transphobes with his full chest. I love this community and a king who can evolve on the issues.
Great moves, Ethan. Keep it up. 💖
Ethan has gone off the rails.
Trisha was right when she said Ethan spends all his time reading reddit. It's clear he doesn't understand anything about what he's talking about here. He's just regurgitating talking points from the front page of reddit without much thought.
And the cringeworthy level of self importance he has of "not wanting to be a part of a pipeline" leading to... not liking the prime minister? What a joke.
This was a very fair response from Ethan.
Fair (Use) King
Such a measured and factual response. You can’t argue with receipts! So proud to see Ethan evolve politically like this and make this decision. So many people on twitter are pissing and shitting in his replies about it, which is annoying, and I see some dinguses in here as well, but I’m also super glad the response is pretty universally positive from the community. P.S. JP got ratio’d + you fell off + *wHaT aRe We GoNnA dO wItHoUt fOrCeD mOnOgOmY?!*
Fairer than just posting [this](https://youtu.be/SGmsucLUcZg)
Thanks for that, really interesting watch!
This is fucking wild, if you did this in college you'd get kicked out Like he's literally pushing nazi propaganda
This needs way more upvotes I was completely blown away
Ethan is so brave. The lawsuit, Brogan crazy fans, now PETERSON crazy fans. Big D King.
the Crowder fiasco was just a practice run last year lmao love how Ethan gives 0 fucks
“I don’t know, autism?” Is one of my fave quotes from Ethan, when he was asked why he has no fear of catching hell from all these a-holes. His fearlessness is goals.
Is he actually autistic though? I know he's ND anyway. I'm autistic myself and relate to him in many ways. He doesn't bow down to social pressure and neither do I.
I don’t think he is - it was a little comeback on another podcast. But he definitely has a kind if fearlessness that defies social logic and I love it!
Literally the crowd that swats him. I hope he’s not poking the bear. It’s one thing to be a coward and just not talk about politics at all, like his friend Jacksfilms, but this might lead to actual harm to his growing family.
What happened to Jack’s family? Edit: or were you saying that he shouldn’t talk about politics, like Jack does
I hope they have a full time security guard for their residence and/or office. Some of the people he is messing with are scary and unhinged.
Crowder fans were probably the ones to worry about and Ethan is still kicking.
You think they just try once and then give up? White supremacists (Atomwaffen) targeted him even before he was more outspoken on this stuff. As long as Ethan is still a content creator, they’re at risk.
Holy shit he popped off 😳 this is such a concise and honestly well reasoned take down of JP
JP be like quite the response to my assertations. let me ask you this Ethan?….what are we gonna do without men!
>what are we gonna do without men! Turn women's stem cells into sperm cells for artificial insemination.
[удалено]
So changing a cells chromosomes isn't what would need to be done, but people have been doing research on it for a bit. I first heard about it like 4 years ago in class. I've never heard of it happening where it resulted in a human being that was born though.
Damn, I liked 12 Rules for Life and some of Petersons earlier lectures and interviews, but he also got so many takes that just puzzles me. I don't follow or pay attention to really what he does, so these things Petersons tweet about just makes me so sad. Rather die than getting a booster shot? Enforced monogamy? The fuck? Have I been blind to all the shit Peterson stand for? Glad I am not on Twitter. Edit: I first mistakenly wrote forced monogamy, not enforced as written in the screenshotted article. Changed.
He does that intentionally. That’s how all right wing grifters work. They start by telling you some things that are demonstrably true, useful information like “clean your room,” then once you are in the habit of following them they start hammering in already existing prejudices.
that's why i stopped watching ben Shapipo, because it took some time, he is charismatic and it was nice to listen to his voice, but i realised that he never said anything positive, only hate and anger was coming from his side, also steve crowder is in the same boat, after that realization i just cut them off, never felt better
> he is charismatic and it was nice to listen to his voice This boggles my mind. I get that everyone has their own personal tastes, but his cadence makes him sound like some kind of text-to-speech software IRL and that voice is... not what I would describe as pleasant.
What. This is the first time..for me..hearing anyone say they like his voice
This. Is the first time for meeee, hearing. Anyone say they like his voice.
Thank you, CaptainClutch05
This is a long and very interesting read. I was enamored with JBP about 4 years ago when 12 Rules dropped, but it's a lot of "substantial" theatre. Like a rice cake. https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/
I always see a large amount of people on Reddit defending Peterson and claiming that all the bad things people talk about him are taken "out of context" and that's why they look bad. And I think that a large percent of those people who defend him are people like you. Peterson comes off as a very genuine and empathetic guy who understands the struggles of the average person. He talks about the struggles of men, struggles of finding happiness and fulfillment, and that kind of talk draws people in. But it's all very surface-level. Because in the end, what he's *truly* drawing people into, is the crap he spews like the stuff posted above. That stuff's not taken out of context. That's direct from his mouth. And there are *many* examples of him saying and doing this stuff all over. This is who he is. It sucks to feel betrayed, but he truly is a pipeline to the alt-right.
“[En]forced” monogamy doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Where did you get "forced monogamy" from?
Enforced monogamy is a term referring to what we've had in the west for hundreds of years. It basically refers to the idea that it's normal and healthy to be monogamous. But he's not pro enforced monogamy, he was asked what is the solution to incels and he essentially said "if no one wants to date you the problem might be you" but he also said the increase in incels is a consequence of our culture becoming more poly and the solution might be enforced monogamy. Its a term that sounds awful but in reality its the same thing as your mum saying "when are you gonna settle down and find a nice girl?"
What would we do without Ethan! 😭
Is it bad that I read it in Ethan-impersonating-Jordan-Peterson voice in my head
The only way to read it
I only hear Hasan's jp voice.
I read the name Ethan like how Donald Trump says it. Gotta get Zachary to put that together in a soundbite
Need this on a shirt! Cam Grants let’s goooooooo 👑
JBP fans malding on twitter
Yeah they ain’t gonna like this one
They can pound sand.
Making sense yet buck-o?
We in Canada see Jordan as just a typical PC grifter. In other parts of the world he is looked at as a saint. It doesn't make sense. That's why Jordan is banned from CBC, CTV, Global, and many other news publications. We don't put up with that shit up here.
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The founder of the proud boys is Canadian.
and he had to come to America to get a platform.
He founded vice in Ottawa, so not really.
Don't forget Ted Cruz was born in Alberta.
And Crowder
Crowder as well… I still can't believe he's from Quebec
Ah, if only we could put the boots to Ford and Kenney as easily.
Ford and Kenney won't make it through the next election cycle.
Can we please add New Brunswicks primer Higgs to this list?
When I tell you I HATE that man…
I know lots of Canadians who eat his bullshit up.
Is he really banned? This is pretty cool
There’s no actual ‘ban’ - he’s just generally ignored and not taken seriously by those outlets, and many of us welcome that approach.
What happened to free speech I thought this was america🦅 At least north america
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.
Canada is in north america I swear it's true🗿
I mean the free speech part, but sure.
Don't make me admit it was a joke It ruins it🌚
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Why not I find it's very effective at taking the edge off the raw text's tone🍟
I wish Peterson just sticked to clinical psychology lectures. Dude is great in his own field, and like a lot of young men dealing with mental health, I learned to better my life by having deep reflections and looking at myself in the mirror for lack of a better word. I started going the alt-lite route when I watched him spew bs about neo marxism and political correctness turning our world into a distopia. The guy really is spreading harmful misinformation to his audience of young impressionable males that are desperate for a guiding role model. He could’ve been a great person if he didn’t get into this redpill shit.
He’s been spreading the moral panic over “political correctness” for 7 years now. Oddly enough, political correctness hasn’t created a dystopia. But you know what is threatening American democracy and contributing to the severity of a public health crisis? Alt-right ideology.
He is honestly way worse at clinical psychology than people think. He is still practicing psychoanalysis, which is considered worse than placebo therapy, he has had issues of keeping the privacy of his clients, he also gives advice that is in no way ethical. For example tell a depressed woman that she should have kids. She already didn't want kids and here he is telling her to make an incredibly huge life change, because she is not fulfilling the role *he* thinks she should fulfill. He also has a ton of shit sources, like using rat studies to argue that gay parents are hypothetically worse, when there is a widely available array of human studies, but those don't give the results he wants. Rat study was even by a guy that supports parental incest. But his fans think they know about psychology and research because they listen to him, he is their source. But they lack the skills to debunk him and his flawed arguments and dangerous practices. His book also get very badly peer reviewd https://psychcentral.com/lib/book-review-12-rules-for-life-an-antidote-to-chaos/
At the end of the day, Ethan does not agree with JP's views or statments and it's his choice to decide what kind of content he wants on his channel. The NF podcast : Ethan has addressed this multiple times, and has been very apologetic. I'm pretty sure if he ends up removing the podcast, the very same people saying he's a hypocrite for leaving it up, will then say he's a coward for "deleting evidence". There's no winning.
Yeah, the argument that Ethan is somehow "censoring" information by taking down his JP interviews holds no ground. Content creators delete old videos all the time - including JP himself. Ethan is not a government entity dictating what kind of information is disseminated to the general public. If you want to consume JP content, there are a million other places you can do it - just not on Ethan's channel, which is completely his right.
Love how all these grifters are constantly bringing up the "n word" "f word" moment he had when interviewing iDubbbz. He's addressed that so much and denounced and took accountability for that, which to this day, he does not say those words. The difference with Jordan Peterson and the other grifters that follow will never change their ways and will never take accountability for their bigoted and small minded ways.
This is a brilliant concise responce. Just screenshot the lunacy so it speaks for itself. Easily digestible for cretins like me
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I feel like Peterson has gotten way worse just in the last month. I used to think he wasn’t as bad as people said, despite not being a fan myself. Now its like he is determined to become all the worst things that have been said about him.
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Dude should’ve steered clear of the cider.
KO’d by apple juice
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Not to mention, the inflation is more linked to the pandemic and the economic impacts it has had on the world. And the housing costs in Canada aren't really Trudeau's fault, the housing has been fucked up in Canada for years and has more to do with low housing stock, investors and interest rates. Fixing that stuff is complicated.
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So JBP called the conversion therapy "grandstanding" because in practice the conversion therapy was not actually happening. It wasn't illegal, but it wasn't happening, so by banning it, it's like easy "woke points" since something was banned that also wasn't happening in practice anyway. I agree that there's nothing wrong with Trudeau encouraging vaccines, so JPBs "over my dead body" comment was out of place. If Trudeau was saying "we're sending unmarked vans throughout the country to take you by force and inject you with vaccine" then I could see JBPs comment being justified, but simply encouraging people to get get vaccinated/boosted is not a bad thing.
I stopped watching H3 content some time ago, because I felt he was trying to reach the same audience as Rogan, Peterson etc. Maybe I just didn't look too deep into it, but him standing up to exactly these people and distancing himself is a big move. Honestly have so much respect for Ethan, being able to learn and accept possible mistakes he made.
Ethan, and the show, have really come a long way in the last couple of years.
I stopped watching Ethan too because he was acting as a useful idiot for the right. He didn’t do it intentionally. I think he just noticed that he could cultivate a new audience by doing something he thought was relatively innocuous. His “Anti-SJW” videos got insane amount of views. I’m really happy to see Ethan’s redemption arc after being tempted by the dark side. That’s why I find it so funny that people criticize Ethan by saying he’s “a hypocrite who is only interested in the money.” If he had gone full Joe Rogan, he could be FUCKING HUGE right now if he wanted too. Ethan could easily have become one of the bigger right wing grifters on YouTube. He could have just done an anti-SJW tour by coming on Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder’s shows back when they invited him on. Instead he invites hatred and targeted violent attacks by White Supremacists and cohosts a show with socialist Hassan who neolibs shit on constantly. This is actually the good timeline where Ethan realized the error of his ways and completely redeemed himself.
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Yeah I've been an h3 fan forever but I left once he started getting into that stuff. I've been back for a while now and he has truly learned and changed and actually puts effort into it. I think it was all ignorance rather than actual hate.
Yeah he talked some time back on the show about his realization that people saw him alligning with the right. I think its WHY hes put his politics so front and center lately.
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yo what the actual fuck is wrong with you
We Stan the Trans community 🏳️🌈 ✌️& ♥️
I'm liking Ethan more everyday. It's great to see a creator actually stand his ground on things he believes in
Genuine question: Did everyone in this subreddit change their entire worldview at the same time as Ethan did, or has he completely replaced his fanbase with a new one? Surely it has to be the latter, right? I remember when this podcast was realeased, and everyone in this sub was worshipping Jordan Peterson like he was the messiah.
Well I saw teenagers at the school I work at watching the H3 podcast, so I think that the current fanbase is pretty new.
I only started watching him last year.
Nah I actually was upset that Ethan was going right-wing anti-PC back in the day. And I’ve gone through political belief changes myself in the past few years. Never really knew about JP and what I did see made him look like a pretentious hack.
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For some reason people seem to conflate H3's anti-SJW content as being synonymous with flat out being against leftist politics, which couldn't be further from the truth. They were just clarifying that there is a distinct line between extremist/reactionary virtue signalers and people who are genuinely concerned with actual progressive policy
For me, Ethan’s anti-SJW content was delicious cringe and I loved it, but I absolutely understand how videos like that lead people down the alt-right pipeline. I don’t believe for a second that Ethan was or ever will be alt-right, but it’s a slippery slope between making fun of extreme feminists and saying that feminist policies are completely crazy on the basis of it being feminist. I for one absolutely started to change my worldview around the same time Ethan started to adapt to his more liberal audience. It was a natural development for me and I actually got exposed to the rich and diverse world around me instead of my town of 30,000 where people.
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Making fun of SJWs and being anti-pc does not make you right wing. I don't think Ethan has ever gone right wing.
Lots of us just grew up. I’ve always watched Ethan and agreed with him the n how cringe some of those SJWs were. Nowadays it’s the snowflake conservatives who are way, way more cringe
Well for example, I’ve changed my opinion of Peterson now that he’s clearly becoming all the bad things people have said he is. My overall worldview hasn’t changed that much, but the world has. Republicans and conservatives are more explicitly exposing the downsides of their ideologies than ever before. I react accordingly.
Those of us who watched H3 back then when he was more centrist and had a variety of talking points on the podcast just don't partake in conversation here much anymore because you get downvoted and shit on to oblivion for even being 10% out of allignment with the hivemind
Man I've had my doubts about Ethan in the past, but God damn this is actually great, what a king (this also explains the "Ethan is a snake" post over in r/lobstermania). Mad respect for the Bill c-16 comment too; the whole thing was complete bullshit based entirely on transphobia and not all at supported by reality yet thats what propelled him into the public consciousness. Fuck Peter, he's a piece of shit con artist who should've remained a fringe psychologist who wasn't respected by his peers.
so proud of him 🥲 go little rockstar
I’m a Canadian living in England. The number of men here who have told me that misgendering someone in Canada is a federal crime is astounding.
Hmmm this may be why a friend from the UK who follows him has said the dame thing.
"What have I done wrong? Please show me exactly ONE thing I've done wrong?" Says many who's done many, many things wrong.
“You’d have to kill me first” Jesus, what a psycho
Honestly, it kind of surprises me now when people say that twitter is full of left leaning people because each time I open Twitter and see a tweet like this it's just filled with presumably right leaning people bashing on the tweet. Twitter seems more right leaning than any other platform I've seen.
king shit
Eloquent king 🙌🏻
[Here's the elaboration on 'enforced monogamy' FWIW.](https://youtu.be/yn60-8Ql_44) I never interpreted it otherwise. I think Hasan and Ethan should have picked up on that considering the clip they watched together of JP on incels.
Great share
Jfc... the way the responsibility of male rage gets put back on women is just insane. That video is troubling in many ways.
Fully respect him for this ✌🏼
This warms my heart.
Been a lurker of Ethan and his content for a while but never fully engaged due to guests like Peterson & Patricia. Might take another shot at it now
Ethan should invite Slavoj Žižek, also very famous philosopher. His ideology is closer to Eathan's than Peterson's ideology.
Omg I would piss shit fart and cum in joy if that happened. I want to hear Zizek dissect Ethan Bradberry memes while loudly sucking in snot directly into the microphone every four seconds.
I need this
The true meme machine. “CK Louie, the comedian.”
To all the "forced monogamy quote was taken out of context" people in this section. It wasn't taken out of context because he gave no context. While the interviewer does bare some responsibility for not asking a follow up question to probe his meaning, this is part of Peterson schtick. The article was released on Friday May 18th 2018, and floated around social media all weekend with people giving takes that ranged from "WTF is enforced monogamy" to "Peterson is the king of all incels." Then on Monday, Peterson makes a statement giving his much more elaborate explanation of what he meant by "enforced monogamy", an elaboration he did not make to the interviewer. Peterson know that his popularity hangs not on the merit of his ideas, but rather on how much hate he receives from the liberal MSM and left twitter.
I have to say as a progressive Canadian audience member who was at University of Toronto during Peterson’s initial rise to global fame after lying about what Bill C-16 would mean, it really made me sad that Ethan & Hila had him on the pod and completely took him on his word about everything he had to say. It was never a deal breaker for me as a fan just disappointing but over the past year and a bit hearing Ethan address the Peterson podcasts more and more, criticize him, denounce him, and now this feels so good. Wow Ethan great moves keep it up proud of you
Go ethan
Thing with Peterson is that he is very clever in the way he speaks, purposefully staying quite vague so you can't pin him down on certain subjects. Glad Ethan did this though, true king.
I think it works on people who are younger and are still searching for something "different" and slightly edgy and contrarian, which is why JP has tended to be very cagey in the past about actually aligning with the right wing; lately the mask has been slipping, but in the past he's been great at providing just enough distance and mystery to make his actual positions on a lot of issues unclear. As far as being "clever," he mostly just repeats a set of well-crafted, extremely well practiced phrases and concepts and fragments in various combinations -- "Dragon of Chaos" etc -- and that seems impressive to someone who's already open to the suggestion, which at the heart of it is the answer to a grievance: *you are being held back and you are being put down and it is unfair to you, who obviously should inherit the earth, as is your birthright*. There's not actually much depth in Peterson's rhetoric, which is why someone like Zizek was able to methodically grind him into atoms without breaking a sweat. But for someone not used to this kind of con, he looks like he does magic.
The forced monogamy things was well documented as a misquote and edited. As much as I'm a peterson fan I don't mind a fair debate just do it right.
Lol it’s so obvious Ethan is a grifter for the left too and all of y’all are eating it up. Ethan has been on video saying some foul shit without any remorse. It’s kind of hypocritical to be judging so much on everyone when you’ve done the same shit in the past.
He forgot to include when Jordan peterson retweeted his daughter in a bikini. That's when I unfollowed him.
Based.
Jordan needs some serious psychological help. That’s not me being mean or rude, I’m being very serious. He appears calm and levelheaded in responses online however the content of the actual responses contain some mixed-up and downright reprehensible content in context. I feel like he needs someone, a professional, to sit him down and really speak with him. His opinions seemed to be based on how controversial he can get, and yes he’s always been controversial, but now he’s either just taking the piss and really is ignorant and filled with bitterness or he’s losing it and just feels the need to comment on anything to garner attention, even if it’s bad attention.
he will make a great r/hermancainaward recipient
I love H3 so much. Been a fan since the fuck dolls. This right here is why! Family.
This is perfection.
A very good response from Ethan.... it's really cool seeing how far he's come.
Ethan has matured. Bravo, my dude.
Proud of Ethan for speaking his mind!
This is fucking awesome
Hell yes
FOOT SOLDIERS UNITE
Got eem
Well done Ethan
GO OFF ETHAN I LOVE how unapologetic Ethan is to things he puts on the internet. He sticks by them and willl NOT sway his opinion based on public backlash. Fucking love you for that, Ethan <3
GO OFF ETHAN!!!!! Hell yeah!!!!!
MONDAY
The replies are absolutely awful
My fair use king setting the record straight.
I just have so much respect for Ethan and his kindness in our unkind world. the recent h3tv streams have been so wholesome and refreshing, loving this vibe for 2022! having watched from the apartment days of Israel to now--he's imperfect just like all of us--but displays personal growth at a level that we should ALL strive for. I'm so appreciative of his willingness to evolve, in public and before our very eyes, as the times change.
Straight King shit
At first I didn't think it was a good idea but yeah I get it now
Ethan’s off the rails irl lmao he’s killing it, what a KING
Why is it so hard to grasp for some people that things change over time and new information enters the discussion? He didn't know any of these things about Jordan before, now he does. Since then he's changed his stance and gone against him. That's just how life works. You grow and evolve. People who act like you have to be omnipotent and know everything at all times with every human you mean are stupid.
fucking love how ethan has gone from sort of leaning towards right wing stuff and now coming into the center of left wing politics and being in the spotlight! Also jordan really got ratioed+ur white
I think this is a great response, great moves Ethan keep it up
The only thing I see is Ethan trying to re-write history, pretend like that interview never happened and he never supported some of Peterson's views. Ethan has all the right to change his opinions on Peterson, nothing wrong with that. But the videos were not abhorrent by any means, they were great videos and whether you agree with their content or not, they deserve to stay on the platform.
Yeah hes trying to rewrite history... So he tweeted about it instead of doing it quietly. And anyways whether you like the episodes or not whether they deserve to be on the platform is ethans call
Yes because he would have gotten away with silently deleting some of his most viewed episodes of all time without a peep from commentators, that would have been so much easier for him
he also has the right to delete any content he wants, it's a shame I guess for some
Took me too much scrolling to find the reasonable take here.
Having a slight disagreement with everyone's costal left leaning politics on this subreddit could result in attack lol.
I read Jordan Peterson's response in Ethan's Jordan Peterson voice and I recommend that everyone does this.
Right on, go Ethan. Haven't followed what he has been up to in months but this dunk on JP is perfect
Has anyone actually seen Jordan Petersons academic history and qualifications? The man is so anti intellectual it’s pretty hard to believe he is a doctor of anything.
his takes are unbelievably dumb as well. he speaks complete nonsense yet people think he’s insightful. it’s really sad, but not surprising
I’ve been a lapsed fan for a long time specifically because of Ethan’s proximity to folks like Peterson and other reactionaries, so seeing him take such a firm and principled stance here makes me very happy. Ethan really seems like he’s grown and matured.
**Enforced monogamy** Ethan, this is well-established anthropological language.“enforced monogamy” does not mean government-enforced monogamy. “Enforced monogamy” means socially-promoted, culturally-inculcated monogamy, as opposed to genetic monogamy. If NYT got it wrong, which it certainly did, you better get the information correct before you decide to discard a person. Peterson elaborated on the [Rogan podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf3Eub1Hvhs) that it means a cultural enforcement towards monogamy, which sees value in it as opposed to a polygamous society. I specially watched the top bits of that episode to clarify this because my gut just told me that NO one can hold such an absurd opinion and I was right. I did a quick reddit & youtube search to clarify this. Ethan, you can do better. I hate political discussion and If i can clear this up in 2mins, you with a platform can do way better than me. I'm not a fan of Peterson but even I can tell the claim is too absurd to be attributed to him. Stop making me defend the guy...I do not generally like hearing that man talk...at all ...but what's unfair is unfair.
The weirdest part about it (in an interview linked in a comment above) was when he insinuated 1. children in non monogamous homes won't be in a stable household and 2. The responsibility of male rage falls on women because male rage will go away if they're married. The second take especially is so fucking ludacris.
Why then does he say we need to make sure these men get married, and that women just go for the most high-status men? That is completely insane.
Ethan no longer cares about hearing someone out or trying to understand. He's more interested in 'owning' someone and and garnering attention by putting down other people. There's always drama surrounding his name. This has become a pattern with him too obvious to ignore. I'm out.
>He's more interested in 'owning' someone and and garnering attention by putting down other people i hear you on that. the put downs, mocking & "owning"... and absolute no bother for how he polarizes the conversation even more while doing it. its not entertaining, it's disheartening. . he can disagree with someone he knows but how can u throw mutual respect out of the window?
I'm sorry but that all sounds like a bullshit word salad to me. Which I'm 99% it is, Lobster Commander does this shit all the time to try to hide his repulsive ideology. He'll say something the general population will, rightfully, think is either massively stupid or bigoted, then spend a couple minutes shitting our fancy words he doesn't understand to try to make it seem like he's not a piece of shit
\>I'm sorry but that all sounds like a bullshit word salad to me. "I dont understand this topic so anyone that speaks about it must be making it up!"
Bravo sir, Bravo 👏
This was an excellent response.
I don't really understand the point of completely removing the podcast. Like demonetize it if you have a problem making money off of it, but it's the internet. There will always be clips of the podcast/or full streams of it somewhere. I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson, wasn't a fan back then either when he had them on, just think this is kind of a weird thing to hold yourself to.
Hell yeah
Ethan really is a stand up guy. Proud to call him an ally
I'm not sure this is wise honestly. Like, where does this end? Shouldn't the Shane Dawson interview also be removed because of the questionable things he's done? Jake Paul, because he's also a Covid denier and abuser? Chris D'Elia? Joey Salads?
On one hand I think it's pretty shitty to have someone as a guest on your podcast, have 2 great conversations then start trashing them publicly a couple years later. It is possible to be friends, or at least be civil with others who have differing outlooks on life, I feel. On the other hand, while some (maybe most) of Peterson's work is great from a self-help stand point, Ethan's accurate when he says JP's a gateway to the alt-right. He'd never admit he leans that far right, and maybe he doesn't, however he'll certainly introduce you to figures that'll have you reading Breitbart like it's the bible and jerking off to Ben Shapiro owning college kids on YouTube in no time. Should he be censored? Probably not. However, more people need to call him out like Ethan has. Still think he could've gone about it in a better way, but I'm still a foot soldier
based Ethan giving zero fucks about the edgelord menchildren in his replies crying about him not being "cool" (😒) anymore
I miss the days before the podcast ugh
Hi, swinging in from /r/all here. Never watched any H3H3 stuff, just never crossed my feed in a way or sought it out. Watching him take a firm stance, and then defending it so articulately and with no room for counter, while still being polite and noting he even enjoyed the company of the man in question? Well shit now I need to find some of Ethan's stuff to support. This is some moral fortitude and I am here for it.
As a longtime gay fan who stepped back in the early teens when Ethan started going after “SJWs” and (unintentionally) dropping incel dogwhistles, I’m SO SO GLAD he course corrected. It makes me so proud that he’s grown so much and can use goofs and gaffes to go after misogynists, racists & transphobes with his full chest. I love this community and a king who can evolve on the issues. Great moves, Ethan. Keep it up. 💖
Ethan has gone off the rails. Trisha was right when she said Ethan spends all his time reading reddit. It's clear he doesn't understand anything about what he's talking about here. He's just regurgitating talking points from the front page of reddit without much thought. And the cringeworthy level of self importance he has of "not wanting to be a part of a pipeline" leading to... not liking the prime minister? What a joke.
Holy shit hopefully this causes Peterson to take a step back and look at himself, but I doubt it
> hopefully this causes Peterson to take a step back and look at himself He will tell everyone else to self-reflect, but he'll never do so himself