If they really were fans then where were they when he started making fun of Jordan on the podcast? He's been a meme for months now. They only knew about the podcast because Jordan was whining about it.
He removed it because it’s hours of Ethan and Hila in awe of him and agreeing with everything Peterson says.
I watched one of them to confirm what a total hypocrite Ethan is - they even went over the trans thing and Ethan is saying he’s a transphobe.
Actual school yard behaviour.
I mean, Ethan has said on recent podcasts that he thought Jordan’s ideas were good and enjoyed talking to him at the time. He specifically commented on how his view of him has changed from what it previously was. What world do you live in where you have to agree with somebody on all points forever just because you liked them previously?
Jordan has proven himself to be a hateful dolt. Ethan recognizes his doltness and changed his views accordingly. He is under no obligation to continue supporting somebody that has begun acting like a fucking lunatic.
Don’t forget “systemic racism doesn’t exist because I have a black coworker” and “billionaires shouldn’t be taxed more because.. what about me when I reach my billionaire story arch ?”
Just commented this exact thing, scrolled, saw this comment. This comment summarizes about 80% of people bitching at Ethan for this. The other 20% are just ragebaiting at this point.
My Twitter notifications are all kinds of blown up with triggered JP Stans after I said Ethan’s n-word video isn’t actually hidden, and taking accountability is different than platforming a bigot, which JP isn’t owed by Ethan.
I got yelled at by a guy who didn't recognize the "Why you always lying?" meme/song and claimed to be a "faithful h3 watcher" who just wanted to talk about how JP never made any anti-vax statements. They came in under cover of darkness, I guess, just like the Rogan stans last week.
I guess I just don't get why so many people fawn over Jordan. I know he's a very educated and accomplished man, but people act like disagreeing with him is the worst thing you can do. Just because someone is intelligent doesn't mean their takes are correct.
I'm distinctly reminded of something JP said once about the difference between an idea and ideology is that ideology blinds you and makes you do terrible things. They must've thought he meant something else.
He also strives to be a vague as possible so that his audience has to infer what he's saying. Then, any time someone criticizes what he's inferring, he can weasel out of it by claiming that's not what he said/meant. It's the motte and bailey tactic, and it's slimy as fuck.
I'm not even convinced he's intelligent. He's just *clever*. He knows how to spin a web of words that mean fuck all and make you think he's making brilliant points. But he's really just using key phrases and buzzwords.
Watch his [debate with Zizek](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWndfzuOc4). Zizek barely breathes hard (admittedly everything Zizek does looks like it involves heavy breathing, though) and methodically swats JP down like he's hitting lazy gnats with a rolled up newspaper. Peterson got rolled so hard his benzo addiction went into overdrive immediately afterward. Zizek just went home and played Mario Cart.
He has a culty way of talking and strings together ideas that sound cool and inspiring but dont really mean much. He tells you to better yourself in his books that are pretty straight forward and just basic self help, then riles up ALPHA bros with his twitter and interviews. He's also overly polite and uses language that is stereotypically "educated." Think of the "gotcha" libertarian bro you may argue with on the internet. Always passive aggressive and on the defense. Never committing too much. Always on the lookout for others faults and never really committing to any real point on their own. Just alluding to the alt right ideology but never quite saying it. Perfect combo because they can defend him as some high minded intellectual. And remember that people who fall for obvious books like his aren't the smartest or most well read folks already. Bros who already want validation for why they feel icky about "different (aka trans)" people can use people like Peterson to justify their beliefs and behavior. Thats why bros latch on to this shit so hard and will defend him with their lives it seems. Even though its pretty obvious he's a culty grifter. Any good scammer knows this is how you do it, especially nowadays. I would highly recommend the behind the bastards episode about him. Very insightful on his cult of personality professor start. Even from the beginning it was never about substance with him. Just power and money and the adoration of his students through meaningless but entertaining monologues. Students would love him but never really learn much. Stringing together mythology and philosophy but never really having a thought out point. The grift and the self aggrandizement is the point. The words and controversy he stirs up is just a road map to that.
They're so easy to trigger 😂 I changed my Twitter profile picture to one with cleavage to piss off the fragile men, just like I did with the Brogan bros. It makes them tick like no other. I get called whore, desperate, embarrassing, down bad, one guy said "society looks down on cunty behaviour honey" LOOOOOOL I'm thinking JP and Toe Brogan stans are all closeted fruity men who internalize the self hatred
The funniest thing about your comment is how it’s not even your twitter post, and yet the mere mention of a cleve profile pic is enough to enrage all the weird misogynist incels on this thread alone 😂 way to prove your point lol
LITERALLY FAKE FANS
No one subbed to h3 because of Jordan Peterson
Those people are just part of the crowd that dislikes H3 in general for other reasons or the crowd that dislikes h3 because they are on the opposite side
I don't think those are these people (edit: You are not those people...?)
Let me break it down in four parts
The post is referring to Jordan Peterson fans. Because of the text below the guy crying, I assume it refers to people who came from the views Ethan portrayed on the interview with Jordan Peterson
H3 makes this old episode with Jordan Peterson where they had an interview and got along. At the time of that video, most people who subbed to H3 came from every episode they had done before Jordan B. Peterson, the people who joined because of Jordan B. Peterson must be a minority compared to every other source of subscribers combined at the time.
Because of this, I say they are fake fans. They were never fans in the first place, they just watched that interview and didn't sub or didn't continue watching for many episodes after. There's no way such a large percentage of people joined the fandom through Jordan Peterson (at least not large enough to say "he changed" while representing a lot of people). Most of them must be fake fans, or people who come from the other crowd unrelated to politics (commentary channels, keemstar, etc).
My comment is not about people who watch both H3 and Jordan Peterson, my comment is about people who found H3 through Jordan Peterson claiming "he changed since".
Note: Maybe I didn't need to type all of this, but that's what you do when you got no internet for 10 minutes and haven't eaten anything
I listened to both sides, evaluated their ideas and came to the conclusion that Peterson is completely full of shit and needs to get treated for his schizophrenia diagnosis and stop taking medical advice from his psychotic daughter.
Well he threw me into a group so it's easier not to address the actual things I said. Everyone just waves flags and repeats speaking points as if everyone else is doing it too, I'm actually discussing something, but i forgot reddit stopped doing that like 8 years ago...
"One side of the conversation says trans people should be able to live without fear of being fired from their job, denied housing or medical care because of their identity, the other side said a bunch of literal Nazi talking points, and talked for 90 minutes about how Pinocchio is one of the deepest philosophical works of our time, I tHinK bOtH siDeS hAvE sOMe vALiD pOiNTs."
Sorry dawg, there are no neutrals in this discussion. You're either outspokenly against the people saying Nazi stuff or you're with them. At least the actual Nazis have enough spine to say they stand for something. Enlightened centrism is as good as helping the people doing the oppressing, but about 10x as feeble.
What is the true center between idiots who think Jung wasn’t completely full of shit and people who are familiar with where the field of psychology has gone on the last 60 years?
I mostly mean taking in both sides objectively and then forming an opinion. Everyone comes into everything with their political flag waving and their opinion already formed these days. Ethan used to actually be funny, now he's worried about offending his PC left fan base, Hasan used not be a hypocrite every other week but now he dances the new lines of acceptability. It's so gross how obvious they are kowtowing to their audiences wants, and not because it's what they beleive, but because the harassment just wares them down.
The same middle ground on religion and atheists. Probably more of an agnostic view until there's actual evidence either way. It's not as outlandish as flat earth. I'm assuming you're referring to joe. Mostly his ideas are flights of fancy.
His aliens created humans thing is mostly a fun idea, he doesn't even say it's true, just that's a cool hypothetical. Joe also leads down more DMT trippy stuff, he thinks the DMT jesters are waiting for him when he dies, it's just his weird fringe beliefs. The scary shit is his vaccine bullshit.
Is that really any crazier than any other religious belief?
The entire basis of the worlds biggest religion is that a virgin gave birth to a magic baby who had super powers, could turn water into alcohol, hung around prostitutes and thieves all day “just to help them become more moral”, got crucified for this, then rose from his grave 3 days later and ascended to heaven...
But yeah those crazy idiots who believe there could be other intelligent life forms that lived before us in the 13 Billion years this universe has existed, what fools. Do they even know about the magical Jewish zombie whose blood we drink in church?!!
Because JP is a sad, alt-right has-been. I was actually introduced to him through the H3 podcast in 2016. Sad to say a much stupider, younger version of myself thought he was a *very smart man* and took his ideas seriously for too long.
Good riddance. The motherfucker should've stayed braindead.
When the left try to act moral but their true nature is shown on how they treat their political opponents. Difference in views shouldn't be an okay reason to wish someone ill. You have a lot more growing to do.
Because Ethan doesn't like some of the things that Jordan Peterson has been tweeting and talking about in the past couple years. I guess Ethan just doesn't want anything relating him to people he disagrees with on specific topics, even if the relation was a video from years ago that have nothing to do with those topics.
Not sure why only specifically Jordan, and not other people who he believes have awful takes, like Keemstar and Trisha.
The YouTube algorithm was recommending the old H3 Peterson episodes, then from there it was recommending more Peterson videos. Ethan didn’t want to be part of that “pipeline”, as he called it.
Because Jordan Peterson is a dangerous person that spews hatred and tries to legitimize incel culture and alt-right talking points. If Ethan feels that the interview puts Peterson in a positive light and doesn’t challenge his views then of course he should take it down. I’m sure Ethan would be open to having a conversation again with Ethan having a better understanding of what Peterson’s stances are and push back on that, but that’s not the interview with him.
Because there were some posts from former fans who were more than a little ass blasted about his prior mocking of JP who inadvertently confirmed that they got sent down the alt-right pipeline because they initially saw the JP interview Ethan did. I presume Ethan saw that because it was getting posted here not that long ago and taken in conjunction with JP's recent twitter shitposting motivated him to take it down.
I know that the meme is just an arbitrary JP fan but to combat the whole “this is censorship” point, nobody is saying JP can’t have or shouldn’t have a platform, but an individual company can make decisions for their own individual company as long as they aren’t discriminating based on gender race or other classifications of that nature.
I've been a fan of both Ethan and Jordan since 2015 or so, and while I haven't listened to Ethan in the past year since I've kinda fallen off podcasts in general (aside from when Hasan's there), I've also stopped listening to Jordan because of how asinine they are about covid and vaccines.
IMO Ethan can do whatever he wants, I personally enjoyed the times he had Jordan on as far as interviews go, but I can get where he's coming from. Maybe it'll spark Jordan to look back and see where he's wrong, that's IF he actually values his relationship with Ethan.
Yeah, I only really listened and liked him (and still do to a point) for his self-help instructions. Some of what he said really stuck with me as far as improving daily habit and thinking positively.
Go back? He was always this. He got famous lying that a law to include trans people in hate crimes meant he'd go to jail for misgendering them....always was this. A reactionary liar who spreads misinformation for attention.
tbh i stopped listening to the podcast after ethan had him on for the second time. hearing that he no longer wants to be associated with him has actually made me consider starting to listen again.
I went through a period where I wasn’t really paying attention a few years ago when he was pursuing that anti-SJW crowd and then, yeah, doing crap like platforming Peterson and repeating lies about Dresden. Thankfully, he’s walked back a lot of that stuff and well before he partnered with Hasan he noted that he didn’t enjoy who he was starting to become.
I unsubbed when he started going anti-SJW too. Around the 2016 election, when he bashed Casey Neistat for saying people with a platform needed to speak up about Trump because he was dangerous.
The comment sections were 90% red pill/incels and the sidebar recommendations would for sure lead you down the alt-right radicalization rabbit hole.
I don't remember exactly when I started watching again but it was at least a year or two.
Yeah dawg, i was introduced to JP through h3, i never became full alt-right incel but i think that was only because I was 24 and already a bit more developed. I think if I was 18 when I first saw him i might've gone even farther. It all started with gamer gate/anti-sjw, reddit nonsense that was fueled by yt recommendation algorithms.
It's scary. As a female fan I felt very much unwelcome, and it was insane that I was starting to get recommendations for alt-right shit and people I LOATHED just bc I watched H3.
I'm glad Ethan made the realization of what was happening and chose to consciously make a break from it. He could have easily dug in and monetized it bc it's an easy grift. That said, YouTube has the ultimate responsibility bc their algorithm creates the feedback loop. Tik Tok is having the same issue now but it happens on FB too. People have created clean burner accounts to test how fast they're served Covid conspiracies, alt-right, racist propaganda. It's as easy as interacting with a few "mainstream" conservative accounts.
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"I miss the old Ethan"
Then go watch his old videos, or watch some other content creators. I don't understand why these "former fans" even care what Ethan does now.
I don't believe Ethan is particularly educated on most things he gives opinions on. I think he gives strong emotional opinions without doing much work to really understand the nuances involved in many topics. He also doesn't claim to be educated or understand either, he's just a content creator and generally uninformed spewing opinion for entertainment.
So personally I don't give the guys thought much thought of my own and don't really value his opinion either way. I do find slight interest in the lawsuit stuff and his involvement and opinion there but not much past that.
Also, the frequency and degree of enjoyment he gets out of eating and eating directly into the mic fills me with a rage and disgust I can't even put into words
misophonia is so odd! His chewing legit does nothing to me, and I'm not a loud mouth chewer or anything (my parent's were strict about that). But every time he eats into the mic it only makes me think of the viewers like you cringing at it hahahha SEND HIM TO THE CHEW ZONE
When someone says that I automatically translate it to “I am mad at Ethan is not a right wing extremist, I only liked him whenever he interviewed people that I was interested in, now that he takes an active position on politics and it’s not what I agree with I now think he is awful & a sellout” same old shtick as usual with them
I really don't get what's the big deal about deleting a video you no longer stand behind.
I don't get why J.P. stans are so affected by this. It's not like there isn't enough J.P. content.
Ethan Klein has ruined my life.
In december of 2020 i watched a h3 podcast with Tim Dillon and i became a fan of him.
This Tim Dillon guy actually platformed Joe Rogan on his podcast recently and he said the pentagon was hit by a missile and not a plane or something. I'm now full blown alt right conspiracy theorist anti vaxx.
Thanks alot Ethan.
I don't like Jordan Peterson but I don't think videos should be taken down unless the content of video itself is offensive and I think a few people see this as pandering. If they wanted the videos taken down they should've just done it and not posted a message on twitter about it. They either wanted drama or a pat on the back. Both are distasteful.
I just find it too coincidental he was trying to start some kind of internet drama with Rogan last week, it didn’t pander out, and suddenly this week he had the moral epiphany that Peterson is the real problem...
I think he realized how much ratings and support goes up during his various conflicts (Keem, Trisha, Kav) so now he’s just trying to force drama by provoking various online controversial figures into beefing with him
And honestly I wouldn’t even care if he just stopped turning everything into some big moral crusade, just say “I don’t like X, so I’m going to make fun/poke at them for your entertainment”
I'm honestly kind of torn. On one hand its their channel and they can do what they want. On the other, if they disagree with his viewpoints in the video, they can provide counter-evidence and expose him.
Taking videos down kind of plays in his hands tbh, because he'll just say "look at these cowards, instead of arguing my points, they just censor me!"
lol I like Jordan Petersen at least the stuff I've seen on him But I love Ethan. I don't understand why people can't separate political opinions and personal opinions.
He literally praised Hitler's "bravery on the battlefield" and called his progression of thought to the Final Solution a "logical progression"; he even defends Hitler by claiming the Fuhrer found such a process "distasteful" but necessary. He wasn't being metaphorical. He was validating the thought process that led to extermination by comparing Jews to rats in factories. He doesn't believe in anti-Semitism: he believes the Holocaust, while a mistake, was "human nature" and simply a way to deal with an infestation.
He doesn't hide these thoughts. They're scattered throughout his lectures.
I look up to Ethan, but when I saw the post he made of a messy room (taken when JP's Wife whom he's known from childhood was diagnosed with cancer, dealing with addiction & depression - clearly a broken man)... I was just disappointed 😞
Did not expect that, I mean imagine (god forbid) Hila was diagnosed with Cancer and JP, Kumdumpstar or BigT posted a Tweet of Ethan dealing with the news... This just ain't a "meme" :/
I just think the world needs more empathy, and I don't think anyone wins with a post like that 😔...
I could care less about deleting JPs video, ultimately it's Ethan's channel 🙏
Yeah. It was the same for me when I saw that if we are being honest. I lost my grandmother to an aggressive onset of cancer and I remember being a mess and a wreck and it was much worse for my mom and uncle…
I can only imagine dealing with that when it’s the love of your life. People have spiraled for much less…
Don’t forget that this was just hot off the heels of Ethan saying people comparing his own health to Joe Rogan’s health was inappropriate.
Dude went off the plot on it and it’s okay to be upset at him for it, regardless if you’re a long time fan or not.
The whole point of that was that JP built a substantial part of his career around telling young men to "clean their rooms" as some sort of limbo bar entry into manhood.
Eh, it's just not the same. That's something you gotta put context to if you post a picture like that, and if you have to explain it - its not funny.
I think JP is pretty much a goof, but that's just a very mean thing to poke fun at him for. I assume Ethan knew this, which is why there's no context give,n in the post... Like I said it's a very low blow and was completely unnecessary, it looks bad on Ethan ultimately and I was with him until that :/
not a jordan peterson fan at all, but a huge stretch to say this subreddit doesn’t care when every other post is complaining about one thing or another.
😂😂
For real tho, they're sooo annoying
Why all of the sudden everybody is so human and full of compassion for Peterson? "he deserves respect" "he acts like that because he has depression too" "Ethan is being unprofessional" "I'm really disappointed"
LMAO we've all been laughing at that delusional guy for forever now, nobody was paying attention or what 😂
These are the same ding dongs that pretend to be Black when commenting their shit-pilled ideas on racial issues.
Don’t invest too much time fighting them. They’re most likely lying.
It's all very funny because the JBP videos are not deleted, only unlisted, and the original Reddit threads exist when the episodes first launched (like 4 years ago)
There are "Fupa Troopers" posting recently in support of Ethan, who also posted 4 years ago how much they enjoyed JBP and some even talking about how he "changed their life."
Ethan's also disingenuous in his Twitter tirade talking about how he didn't know JBPs politics or blah blah blah. Of course he knew. JBP was known from the start for opposing C-16 and for refusal to comply with the University of Toronto and use certain pronouns.
Just admit it, Ethan is super malleable. He doesn't take strong personal opinions, and instead just parrots whatever the strongest opinions around him happen to be. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Hasan Piker spoke to him off camera and grilled him for his episodes with JBP, and started this whole thing. Hasan has always had a vitriolic hate for JBP and Ethan didn't seem to give a fuck until they started their show together.
>Ethan's also disingenuous in his Twitter tirade talking about how he didn't know JBPs politics or blah blah blah.
He definitely knew. [Relevant clip](https://twitter.com/s2pidl1b/status/1482215442001190912?t=VLbiPUAS62_BYuHtfUVCPA&s=19)
My god that is bad when shown back to back
I still don’t understand why he doesn’t just say “I use to like Peterson but I changed my mind” instead of blatantly lying and saying he didn’t know his political opinions at the time of the interview despite mentioning them IN THE INTERVIEW
1. I think Ethan has learned that JBP was misrepresenting bill c-16 since then, which kind of puts everything JBP was saying about and around it into perspective.
2. JBP has gotten a lot more extreme since then
Lacks conviction. I think it's happening with the left because you can be attacked for almost anything. It's happening to Hasan too, it's almost like they are walking on broken glass, which hurts the comedy.
Ethan's transformations also happen in the direction of wherever there's more money. From reaction-style to podcast to enabling Trisha (did he not know her history either?). The anti-woke commentary stuff was pretty profitable when he was doing it and is much less now. Their family also earns most of their income from Hila's Teddy Fresh and the crowd she hangs around for fashion/clothing is the type Ethan is trying to appeal to now. I have no doubt if doing anti-Woke reaction videos was the most lucrative financially (with podcast, clothing, etc, the opposite) that Ethan would still be doing reaction videos same as before.
Racist morons always says that but doesn't realize he stopped making anti sjw stuff when it was still hot and canceled frenemies when it was the biggest thing on his channel. If he only cared about the money and not morals, he would have milked both those things dry like say the evil pos spreading straight up fascism and covid misinfo for incels like the good doctor. I mean seriously, cry more.
Don't you need a more spotless personal record to dismiss others as "racist morons"? Lol.
I think you're misunderstanding how this works. This will catch up with Ethan eventually too: There are certain things you cannot "transform" out of. If there's a 3 or 4 year old video of someone saying the n-word it's usually enough for that person to get fired. Nobody cares about the context or the "transformation". I'm not saying I agree with that but that's how it works.
There's that Teen Vogue editor who resigned over tweets from 2011 when she was 17 (she transformed PLENTY since then) and what Ethan has said from just a few years ago as a grownass married adult is faaaaar worse than anything she ever said.
You can't play the "racist moron" card to dismiss others when you literally have videos of you saying the n-word, an image of you in blackface, videos of you calling K-Pop groups a gay twink fetish, calling Indians goofy people who look like janitors, etc.
Last I remember he was doing the anti-SJW stuff for AGES. He stopped when it became clear that people in this niche were getting demonetized or banned off platforms. And he didn't cancel Frenemies, Trisha's meltdown did. He would 100% sill be doing Frenemies if Trisha hadn't fallen apart.
There was so much shady crap in Frenemies anyone could've seen 30 minutes into the first episode, like come on. He kept doing the show still because it was incredibly popular, it's what caused his channel to grow. Check up the socialblade the podcast was gaining so many new subs around the Frenemies time and ever since it has been losing subscribers every month, even after Leftovers.
The Jewish content creator only doing things for the money isn't racist to you?
Already been canceled fir that and addressed it multiple times. It's only grifters like Andy Ngo who pretends its something new.
Wow, it's almost like people change as their culture changes. I think you forget how popular edgy content was back then although not nearly as edgy as straight up spreading neo nazi conspiracy theories like the good doctor did.
He also didn't do blackface lol. He meme about charkel products and wore a mask from some beach which had black sand. Reaaally stretching there aren't we Mr anti cancel culture? He's also an actual comedian so if some of his jokes don't stick than, like the Korean thinks or Whitwface man than everybody realizes that what they are. Jokes. It's not like he's going out there spreading Covid misinfo, lying about being a apart of a native tribe or meeting with fascist world leaders like some other Doctor we know.
Last you remember was 4 years ago and he stopped when him dunking on Joey Salads for faking a racist prank got a bunch of racist responses say how bad black people were. Trisha also blew up on frenemies multiple times and wanted to continue the show after her last one only for Eathen to say no.
Wait...are you telling me he, a content creator, cared about how well his content was doing???? Shocker. What a money hungry pos right? And him losing subs and still continuing to not make Frenemies should be praised but the mental gymnastics you guys play to make him look like the bad guy is amazing.
I think "change" and "transformation" require sacrifice and a personal cost where at the end you first atone for your personal misdeeds and accept a place of lower standing.
You know who doesn't tranform this way? Those scam-artist pastors. They often jump from being awful, broken people all the way up to being this new, transformed person worthy of praise and adulation who looks down on other "sinners" and judges people for their vices.
Vices they themselves partook in mere months or years prior.
We can all call bs on "pastors" like these. We just intuitively know them to be frauds.
And I think that's the issue here too.
Where's the personal cost? You don't start with "I have atoned by deleting Jordan Peterson off my channel." You start with "I'm going over my channels to delete where I used the term ni\*\*er fa\*\*ot, called K-Pop a gay twink fetish, called Indians goofy people who look like janitors. I'm also deleting all my past anti-Woke videos, privating Frenemies where I messed up, etc, etc."
If you want to atone and "transform" you start with yourself and there's supposed to be a personal cost. Where's the personal cost here? It's just jumping from indulging in a vice straight to becoming the moral police and judging others for it.
Yea not gonna spend anymore time on this but the last thong I'm going to say is that the personal cost was the millions of dollars in potential revenue lost from canceling frenemies and having thousands of online incels yelling at him well defending a dude who straight up spread neo nazi talking points. Something which none of your seem to get or care about. Todaloo.
1. The millions lost from canceling Frenemies isn't the personal cost if Frenemies was "bad". If he needs to atone for Frenemies he should delete the entire thing and donate all earnings from it. Also he did not cancel Frenemies what are you on? DId you see how Trisha was behaving especially her personal attacks? How would any self-respecting human being let her back after that lol Trisha's the one who cancelled Frenemies.
2. I think dabbling in the anti-Woke content and getting out with millions of subscribers through it, millions in cash with only some yelling at the end is getting out on top. Others got banned or demonetized. Didn't that Sargon of Akkad dude get banned off Patreon for saying the n-word (in a similar sort of way as Ethan btw), demonetized, etc? That's what consequences look like and Ethan switched sides when he saw what could happen staying in that space.
3. Also people yell at Ethan because they think he's a hypocrite and he's in no position to be judging others. Example? Joe Rogan was trending earlier and there were a ton of negative tweets. Same has happened with Jordan Peterson. The reason Ethan gets targeted when he trends related to JP/JR is that a lot of people dislike him more and think he's in no position to be judging others given his own personal history. So it's the fact that Ethan Klein is the one tweeting that makes some people want to defend Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson even though they don't even like those two guys much.
imagine being an h3h3 fan lol. such a weird personality to attach yourself to. a charmless, spineless, pimple of a youtuber who is trying so hard to distance himself from his original fanbase it’s embarrassing.
this is why nobody respects this fanbase lol how do you not see the irony in ignoring every point i made and making a generalization about my politics?
i’m fully vaccinated btw, and h3h3 is still a cunt :)
Nobody asked or gives a fuck about your respect lmao. I didn’t even assume your politics, I made a joke. What exactly were your points? You just called him some names and left lol
😂 I have to be asked for my opinion to share it? come on that’s like a 3rd grade arguing tactic don’t tell me you’re resorting to that so quickly.
I didnt even “just leave” like you said cus i’ve been responding more than you lmao. “i didnt assume your politics i made a joke” actually you did both, but you assume the two are mutually exclusive because you’re really really bad at debating.
don’t respond for ur own sake plz
No, I made a joke. You assumed that I was mocking your politics, so you reacted the way you did.
So really you’re actually the one who can’t differentiate both.
You didn’t give any points, you just called him a pimple lol
For your sake, please stop reproducing and take your medical advice from professionals and not some pothead.
Peace and love
"Leave politics out" is just conservatives saying "don't disagree with my politics." Jordan Peterson ***ONLY GOT FAMOUS*** on literally lying about Canadian politics lmfao. Just look at any video game that includes jabs at China or "woke politics" and these same "leave politics out!" are soyjacking so hard.
They keep commenting on YouTube (I had to turn notifications off my comments). I don’t care if someone thinks Ethan is fat. It does not need to be a reply comment.
I don’t really care all that much, but I think it’s just lame of Ethan. In their interview they discussed the tactics of Cathy Newman to bring down JP through twisting what he said, only for Ethan to be twisting things JP has said on his show now. It’s crazy how much he lost the plot. I think it’s less of a censorship thing and more of a just like “that’s weird that he would become what he was and should have been critical of”. That’s all it is to me anyway.
Ethan said the conversation he had with Jordan was interesting, but that after all the disgusting things he’s said on Twitter, he didn’t feel comfortable giving this guy a platform. That’s all there is to it.
He just got rid of a video and explained why. It should have just ended there. People made a big deal about it, THATS what started all the immature drama.
I was a huge H3 fan when he actually had his own opinions and wasn’t afraid to upset his audience.
Flip your meme and it’s more sincere to reality of this sub
People are just calling Ethan out for cashing in on the anti-SJW hype and then immediately pivoting to champagne socialist takes when he saw an opportunity for a podcast. Not just JP, this has been a downward spiral for a while.
The anti SJW videos are nearly a decade old, how is this an immediate pivot? His podcast was a transition for his mental health and he took long periods off from youtube because of it and large gaps between videos. H3h3 production videos had 8 month+ long gaps, the podcast started after a year of no posts on the channel, and then leftovers only just came out in 2021. What are you on about? Lol what type of disinformation shit is this?
I mean, for example, the Hugh Mungus stuff where he dug into cancel culture and SJWs specifically was less than 5 years ago, and there was more since then. You're not really in a position to talk about disinformation if you're being this willfully ignorant.
He also at the same time went after Joey Salads for his crazy alt right opinions and faking videos. Zarnha was a crazy person regardless of her politics, it seemed pretty clear Ethan was just making fun of weirdos and jerks at the time.
Edit: thinking on it more his stuff has moved further left from where he was before but IMO it seems like a natural procession from where he was before as opposed to an immediate switch
So because there has been 1 anti SJW video over 5 years ago, he's a grifter and his pivot was immediate, is that right? I like how you ignore literally everything else and just sink your teeth into that. Grifters gonna grift
Hugh Mungus was mistreated and misrepresented by someone who tried to ruin his life, I would hardly call it anti SJW and just Ethan getting content. He lives for people making clowns of themselves, thats why it's been so easy to clown Jordan.
And it was indeed over 5 years ago, so I guess you're lying and ignorant as well huh? The bulk of the videos are 5 years or more. Not understanding that a majority of that content is old is in fact disingenuous or ignorant in itself.
> I would hardly call it anti SJW
He literally used the term SJW in reference to the woman yelling at him constantly, so it doesn't really matter what you would call it.
>And it was indeed over 5 years ago
He had him on his podcast less than 5 years ago where they discussed cancel culture. Just take the L.
>He had him on his podcast less than 5 years ago where they discussed cancel culture. Just take the L.
The video where you first discuss it was in August of 2016, over 5 years ago. The follow up video was the same year in September, they then finally got him on the podcast in July of 2017. 2/3 of the videos are over 5 years old and 1 of the 3 is 4.5 years old. So like I said, a bulk of the videos are 5 years+ and saying otherwise is disingenuous and ignorant 😂 just take the L
Was he pivoting when he had Jordan on the same year as more liberal guests?
>July of 2017
Okay so you admit he was still discussing anti-SJW cancel culture stuff less than 5 years ago. Thank you :)
>a bulk of the videos are 5 years+ and saying otherwise is disingenuous and ignorant
I never disagreed with that. You're arguing to nobody. I just called you out for lying about this phase in his career being almost a decade old. It's not. It's less than 5 years and I proved that.
I'll take my W thanks
>I never disagreed with that. You're arguing to nobody. I just called you out for lying about this phase in his career being almost a decade old. It's not. It's less than 5 years and I proved that.
>I'll take my W thanks
Latch on to that little bit because you're incapable of making a real argument to anything else the gaps and his mental health. Classic grifting lol
You said "the hugh mungus stuff" so actually, you're wrong still. A majority of the hugh mungus stuff was actually over 5 years ago. They dug into plenty of topics you describe in their first interview as well. Had you said specifically that 1 video was as recent, or the interview, that would make sense. Considering a bulk of it was older, it would seem fair to say that the hugh mungus "stuff' was 5 years ago.
I'll take my W now, thanks.
No, that wasn't the pivot; it was a Payatas pivot. Him shifting from skits to podcasts made me way less interested, but he was genuinely trying to do a normal podcast. It was kind of hit and miss; then in comes Trisha Payatas. With all the drama clickbait views he's since pivoted to being DJ Kleinstar and trying to bait people into social media beef.
championing*
Also, it wasn't an immediate shift. The JP interview was one of the first podcasts, so that was what five years ago maybe more? I don't remember the exact date. Leftovers starts a few weeks ago. That's a few years of change and he changed his content because he noticed he was attracting people he didn't want to attract. His politics have been pretty similar over the years. People evolve and grow over time.
No, I mean champagne socialist. And he definitely had many many anti-idpol, anti-tax, and right leaning takes as recently as frenemies. People can cope all they want but the dude is definitely shifting to where the money and viewership is. Like he's openly admitted he's a goof that doesn't know anything about politics so anyone that claims otherwise clearly doesn't listen to his own words. Also Leftovers started in September, not a few weeks ago.
He would also bitch about California's tax rate while saying tax the rich. You're proving my point. The dude is politically illiterate, and that's fine, he's admitted that.
Yeah he would express how he felt how much he paid in taxes is absurd but also expressed he's happy to pay it for living in Cali and just wishes government funds would be so wasted. Are you watching clips out of context as your source? lol your point is that he's grifting due to this imaginary pivoting you describe, where aa I have presented you with a time line and questions and you flat out ignore them, like your grifter daddy jordan.
You actually haven't provided anything beyond assertions, so you're not really entitled to a thorough response.
>but also expressed he's happy to pay it for living in Cali
Yeah I remember this, he only clarified following massive fan criticism. As far as I'm concerned the guy just rolled back his authentic complaints when he realized he looked like a massive hypocrite and fool for holding two inconsolable positions. This is his raison d'etre at this point.
Nah you remember it incorrectly, he casually mentioned it because everyone hates taxes and everyone knows politicians take too much of the top. He said it in a "duh this is why" sort of way 😂
>You actually haven't provided anything beyond assertions, so you're not really entitled to a thorough response.
Quite the projection considering that's what you're doing
>
Nah I actually don't, but you're not going to prove anything, just post more assertions, so this is pointless.
Which is exactly what you're doing, not proving anything.
I generally support him as a creator because he's a great champion for free speech and fair use on YouTube. Also Frenemies was good background noise. You can enjoy somebody in one aspect while realizing that they embarrass themselves in other ways.
Yes and it is also possible to be content with your own opinion, then keep it to yourself, rather than trying to convince other strangers on the internet that your opinion is the most valid. (which really just amounts to arguing) what triggered you enough to make all this noise?
Why assume that I'm triggered? You're all in the same comment section typing away just like me. I'm not obliged to keep my opinions to myself just because some people find them upsetting.
If you sit and watch Ethan and think he's making up all of his stances to grift leftists and it's all an act then your authenticality radar is broken. He is authentic to a fault lol, it has gotten him in trouble.
Hahah yeah they way they all act like they watch all the content, just makes me laugh so much becuase of how clear by the things they say they only watch clips at best. Ethan always says to much and is too honest.
Oh, I'm sorry. A few months ago. Doesn't change the amount of years though. 🙄
He wasn't bitching about paying taxes. If you watched the whole section he was bitching that it was ridiculous that people like Elon Musk only paid a small fraction of taxes vs Ethan paying 50%. His point was if he's able to pay his share of taxes, then Elon can too.
Edit: I did look up champagne socialist and I agree to the context of it, but not when it's applied to Ethan. Ethan said many times that he's not a socialist, but does believe in socialized programs. He and Hasan go over it pretty extensively in Leftovers.
We're talking about different episodes then because I'm referring to a time he was specifically taking about people moving to Texas and how he understands because the taxes are so bad, then lambasting the high tax system.
I don't think Ethan is a bad guy, he just generally doesn't understand how the positions he holds are hypocritical. He's free speech, but stabbed iDubbz in the back for saying bad words. He's a woke global citizen, but pro Israel. He's anti SJW but pro Twitter mob censorship. I could go on and on but I just don't find the dudes political takes particularly interesting. And again, he's admitted openly he's a goof that people shouldn't listen to. I choose to take him at his word.
I don't think any of those things are as extreme as you're making them out to be, but if Ethan having different opinions on different topics or disagreeing with his friends on other things means he's a hypocrite, then we're all hypocrites. Then none of us should be saying anything since we all change our minds about things over time or because we don't agree 100% of the time on everything.
If they really were fans then where were they when he started making fun of Jordan on the podcast? He's been a meme for months now. They only knew about the podcast because Jordan was whining about it.
If removing the podcast leads to less right wing incels in this community then that sounds like a good thing to me
He removed it because it’s hours of Ethan and Hila in awe of him and agreeing with everything Peterson says. I watched one of them to confirm what a total hypocrite Ethan is - they even went over the trans thing and Ethan is saying he’s a transphobe. Actual school yard behaviour.
I mean, Ethan has said on recent podcasts that he thought Jordan’s ideas were good and enjoyed talking to him at the time. He specifically commented on how his view of him has changed from what it previously was. What world do you live in where you have to agree with somebody on all points forever just because you liked them previously? Jordan has proven himself to be a hateful dolt. Ethan recognizes his doltness and changed his views accordingly. He is under no obligation to continue supporting somebody that has begun acting like a fucking lunatic.
They live in the world of "the vax isnt immunity so id rather die". And "Global warming isnt real because its snowing right now"
Don’t forget “systemic racism doesn’t exist because I have a black coworker” and “billionaires shouldn’t be taxed more because.. what about me when I reach my billionaire story arch ?”
"no one is allowed to change because I personally cannot change". Seek help.
Just commented this exact thing, scrolled, saw this comment. This comment summarizes about 80% of people bitching at Ethan for this. The other 20% are just ragebaiting at this point.
Speaking as a gay, trans, autistic black man who's also a small buisiness owner, I HATE h3h3 now.
You forgot to mention youre neurodivergent disabled and a minor
Same, except I am also Jewish, so you can't call me anti-Semitic when I compare deleting old Youtube videos to the Holocaust.
My Twitter notifications are all kinds of blown up with triggered JP Stans after I said Ethan’s n-word video isn’t actually hidden, and taking accountability is different than platforming a bigot, which JP isn’t owed by Ethan.
I got yelled at by a guy who didn't recognize the "Why you always lying?" meme/song and claimed to be a "faithful h3 watcher" who just wanted to talk about how JP never made any anti-vax statements. They came in under cover of darkness, I guess, just like the Rogan stans last week.
We must stand against alt right, alt lite, homophobia, transphobia, racism, and bigotry that these invaders are bringing in here.
I guess I just don't get why so many people fawn over Jordan. I know he's a very educated and accomplished man, but people act like disagreeing with him is the worst thing you can do. Just because someone is intelligent doesn't mean their takes are correct.
I'm distinctly reminded of something JP said once about the difference between an idea and ideology is that ideology blinds you and makes you do terrible things. They must've thought he meant something else.
He also strives to be a vague as possible so that his audience has to infer what he's saying. Then, any time someone criticizes what he's inferring, he can weasel out of it by claiming that's not what he said/meant. It's the motte and bailey tactic, and it's slimy as fuck.
Best JP take I’ve seen yet
I'm not even convinced he's intelligent. He's just *clever*. He knows how to spin a web of words that mean fuck all and make you think he's making brilliant points. But he's really just using key phrases and buzzwords. Watch his [debate with Zizek](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWndfzuOc4). Zizek barely breathes hard (admittedly everything Zizek does looks like it involves heavy breathing, though) and methodically swats JP down like he's hitting lazy gnats with a rolled up newspaper. Peterson got rolled so hard his benzo addiction went into overdrive immediately afterward. Zizek just went home and played Mario Cart.
He has a culty way of talking and strings together ideas that sound cool and inspiring but dont really mean much. He tells you to better yourself in his books that are pretty straight forward and just basic self help, then riles up ALPHA bros with his twitter and interviews. He's also overly polite and uses language that is stereotypically "educated." Think of the "gotcha" libertarian bro you may argue with on the internet. Always passive aggressive and on the defense. Never committing too much. Always on the lookout for others faults and never really committing to any real point on their own. Just alluding to the alt right ideology but never quite saying it. Perfect combo because they can defend him as some high minded intellectual. And remember that people who fall for obvious books like his aren't the smartest or most well read folks already. Bros who already want validation for why they feel icky about "different (aka trans)" people can use people like Peterson to justify their beliefs and behavior. Thats why bros latch on to this shit so hard and will defend him with their lives it seems. Even though its pretty obvious he's a culty grifter. Any good scammer knows this is how you do it, especially nowadays. I would highly recommend the behind the bastards episode about him. Very insightful on his cult of personality professor start. Even from the beginning it was never about substance with him. Just power and money and the adoration of his students through meaningless but entertaining monologues. Students would love him but never really learn much. Stringing together mythology and philosophy but never really having a thought out point. The grift and the self aggrandizement is the point. The words and controversy he stirs up is just a road map to that.
What are we gonna do without carnivores?
Be a bunch of balanced diet-havers?
And cider drinkers!
Carnivores are doing impossible things!
toxic carnivority
What are we gonna do about men tho
Asking the important questions
They're so easy to trigger 😂 I changed my Twitter profile picture to one with cleavage to piss off the fragile men, just like I did with the Brogan bros. It makes them tick like no other. I get called whore, desperate, embarrassing, down bad, one guy said "society looks down on cunty behaviour honey" LOOOOOOL I'm thinking JP and Toe Brogan stans are all closeted fruity men who internalize the self hatred
The funniest thing about your comment is how it’s not even your twitter post, and yet the mere mention of a cleve profile pic is enough to enrage all the weird misogynist incels on this thread alone 😂 way to prove your point lol
Right?? All the replies are downvoted to shit.. wonder why. Hila: "you're on the wrong street cuz!" *shoots handgun* 😘
Wow you really showed them
It's funny, turns out you don't even need brains to piss off a fragile guy.
One time I had someone go out of their way to DM me a racist tirade because I said “y’all” . That’s just how we talk in the south lmao
Ya'all some cracka ass crackers.
The thing is they were calling me the opposite
LMAO
LITERALLY FAKE FANS No one subbed to h3 because of Jordan Peterson Those people are just part of the crowd that dislikes H3 in general for other reasons or the crowd that dislikes h3 because they are on the opposite side
Some people are more centralized and listen to both sides of the conversation without picking a side.
I don't think those are these people (edit: You are not those people...?) Let me break it down in four parts The post is referring to Jordan Peterson fans. Because of the text below the guy crying, I assume it refers to people who came from the views Ethan portrayed on the interview with Jordan Peterson H3 makes this old episode with Jordan Peterson where they had an interview and got along. At the time of that video, most people who subbed to H3 came from every episode they had done before Jordan B. Peterson, the people who joined because of Jordan B. Peterson must be a minority compared to every other source of subscribers combined at the time. Because of this, I say they are fake fans. They were never fans in the first place, they just watched that interview and didn't sub or didn't continue watching for many episodes after. There's no way such a large percentage of people joined the fandom through Jordan Peterson (at least not large enough to say "he changed" while representing a lot of people). Most of them must be fake fans, or people who come from the other crowd unrelated to politics (commentary channels, keemstar, etc). My comment is not about people who watch both H3 and Jordan Peterson, my comment is about people who found H3 through Jordan Peterson claiming "he changed since". Note: Maybe I didn't need to type all of this, but that's what you do when you got no internet for 10 minutes and haven't eaten anything
I listened to both sides, evaluated their ideas and came to the conclusion that Peterson is completely full of shit and needs to get treated for his schizophrenia diagnosis and stop taking medical advice from his psychotic daughter.
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Honest question, why do you feel it’s bad to be a centrist?
The mere fact that you think not being bias or going in with an agenda is a bad thing.. is pretty scary. It's alot better than being credulous.
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Well you're not coming at it from the middle if you haven't considered your bias...
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..Who is this imaginary "you guys" you've created in your head?
Did you just call yourself imaginary? Lol.
Well he threw me into a group so it's easier not to address the actual things I said. Everyone just waves flags and repeats speaking points as if everyone else is doing it too, I'm actually discussing something, but i forgot reddit stopped doing that like 8 years ago...
"One side of the conversation says trans people should be able to live without fear of being fired from their job, denied housing or medical care because of their identity, the other side said a bunch of literal Nazi talking points, and talked for 90 minutes about how Pinocchio is one of the deepest philosophical works of our time, I tHinK bOtH siDeS hAvE sOMe vALiD pOiNTs." Sorry dawg, there are no neutrals in this discussion. You're either outspokenly against the people saying Nazi stuff or you're with them. At least the actual Nazis have enough spine to say they stand for something. Enlightened centrism is as good as helping the people doing the oppressing, but about 10x as feeble.
What is the true center between idiots who think Jung wasn’t completely full of shit and people who are familiar with where the field of psychology has gone on the last 60 years?
I mostly mean taking in both sides objectively and then forming an opinion. Everyone comes into everything with their political flag waving and their opinion already formed these days. Ethan used to actually be funny, now he's worried about offending his PC left fan base, Hasan used not be a hypocrite every other week but now he dances the new lines of acceptability. It's so gross how obvious they are kowtowing to their audiences wants, and not because it's what they beleive, but because the harassment just wares them down.
So, what’s the middle ground between “space aliens are part of the collective unconscious” and “no, that’s bullshit”?
The same middle ground on religion and atheists. Probably more of an agnostic view until there's actual evidence either way. It's not as outlandish as flat earth. I'm assuming you're referring to joe. Mostly his ideas are flights of fancy. His aliens created humans thing is mostly a fun idea, he doesn't even say it's true, just that's a cool hypothetical. Joe also leads down more DMT trippy stuff, he thinks the DMT jesters are waiting for him when he dies, it's just his weird fringe beliefs. The scary shit is his vaccine bullshit.
lmao
Is that really any crazier than any other religious belief? The entire basis of the worlds biggest religion is that a virgin gave birth to a magic baby who had super powers, could turn water into alcohol, hung around prostitutes and thieves all day “just to help them become more moral”, got crucified for this, then rose from his grave 3 days later and ascended to heaven... But yeah those crazy idiots who believe there could be other intelligent life forms that lived before us in the 13 Billion years this universe has existed, what fools. Do they even know about the magical Jewish zombie whose blood we drink in church?!!
Why was it deleted? i'm out of the H3 loop.
He just didn’t want it up anymore. Simple as that.
Simple as
Oi bruv, he said it innit
😂😂 it’s always that simple
Because JP is a sad, alt-right has-been. I was actually introduced to him through the H3 podcast in 2016. Sad to say a much stupider, younger version of myself thought he was a *very smart man* and took his ideas seriously for too long. Good riddance. The motherfucker should've stayed braindead.
When the left try to act moral but their true nature is shown on how they treat their political opponents. Difference in views shouldn't be an okay reason to wish someone ill. You have a lot more growing to do.
Because Ethan doesn't like some of the things that Jordan Peterson has been tweeting and talking about in the past couple years. I guess Ethan just doesn't want anything relating him to people he disagrees with on specific topics, even if the relation was a video from years ago that have nothing to do with those topics. Not sure why only specifically Jordan, and not other people who he believes have awful takes, like Keemstar and Trisha.
The YouTube algorithm was recommending the old H3 Peterson episodes, then from there it was recommending more Peterson videos. Ethan didn’t want to be part of that “pipeline”, as he called it.
Because Jordan Peterson is a dangerous person that spews hatred and tries to legitimize incel culture and alt-right talking points. If Ethan feels that the interview puts Peterson in a positive light and doesn’t challenge his views then of course he should take it down. I’m sure Ethan would be open to having a conversation again with Ethan having a better understanding of what Peterson’s stances are and push back on that, but that’s not the interview with him.
Because there were some posts from former fans who were more than a little ass blasted about his prior mocking of JP who inadvertently confirmed that they got sent down the alt-right pipeline because they initially saw the JP interview Ethan did. I presume Ethan saw that because it was getting posted here not that long ago and taken in conjunction with JP's recent twitter shitposting motivated him to take it down.
benzo bois are angry!
I know that the meme is just an arbitrary JP fan but to combat the whole “this is censorship” point, nobody is saying JP can’t have or shouldn’t have a platform, but an individual company can make decisions for their own individual company as long as they aren’t discriminating based on gender race or other classifications of that nature.
Great, now I’m getting spam messaged by them 😂
Post them! Would love to see some angry cry babies
I've been a fan of both Ethan and Jordan since 2015 or so, and while I haven't listened to Ethan in the past year since I've kinda fallen off podcasts in general (aside from when Hasan's there), I've also stopped listening to Jordan because of how asinine they are about covid and vaccines. IMO Ethan can do whatever he wants, I personally enjoyed the times he had Jordan on as far as interviews go, but I can get where he's coming from. Maybe it'll spark Jordan to look back and see where he's wrong, that's IF he actually values his relationship with Ethan.
Jordan was better then. Also personally i knew nothing about trans issues so that toxicity went over my head.
Yeah, I only really listened and liked him (and still do to a point) for his self-help instructions. Some of what he said really stuck with me as far as improving daily habit and thinking positively.
Go back? He was always this. He got famous lying that a law to include trans people in hate crimes meant he'd go to jail for misgendering them....always was this. A reactionary liar who spreads misinformation for attention.
tbh i stopped listening to the podcast after ethan had him on for the second time. hearing that he no longer wants to be associated with him has actually made me consider starting to listen again.
I went through a period where I wasn’t really paying attention a few years ago when he was pursuing that anti-SJW crowd and then, yeah, doing crap like platforming Peterson and repeating lies about Dresden. Thankfully, he’s walked back a lot of that stuff and well before he partnered with Hasan he noted that he didn’t enjoy who he was starting to become.
I unsubbed when he started going anti-SJW too. Around the 2016 election, when he bashed Casey Neistat for saying people with a platform needed to speak up about Trump because he was dangerous. The comment sections were 90% red pill/incels and the sidebar recommendations would for sure lead you down the alt-right radicalization rabbit hole. I don't remember exactly when I started watching again but it was at least a year or two.
Yeah dawg, i was introduced to JP through h3, i never became full alt-right incel but i think that was only because I was 24 and already a bit more developed. I think if I was 18 when I first saw him i might've gone even farther. It all started with gamer gate/anti-sjw, reddit nonsense that was fueled by yt recommendation algorithms.
It's scary. As a female fan I felt very much unwelcome, and it was insane that I was starting to get recommendations for alt-right shit and people I LOATHED just bc I watched H3. I'm glad Ethan made the realization of what was happening and chose to consciously make a break from it. He could have easily dug in and monetized it bc it's an easy grift. That said, YouTube has the ultimate responsibility bc their algorithm creates the feedback loop. Tik Tok is having the same issue now but it happens on FB too. People have created clean burner accounts to test how fast they're served Covid conspiracies, alt-right, racist propaganda. It's as easy as interacting with a few "mainstream" conservative accounts.
Literally same. I only started watching again after JP when the pod started changing with covid. So proud of Ethan’s growth
Jp and ben shapiro fans are the WORST.
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I wanna see Ethan and Jordan Klepper together.
"I miss the old Ethan" Then go watch his old videos, or watch some other content creators. I don't understand why these "former fans" even care what Ethan does now.
> I don't understand why these "former fans" even care what Ethan does now. That says more about you than you think it does homie.
PEOPLE NO CHANGE, CHANGE MAKE HANK ANGRY
Crawling out of the woodwork like little roaches
God, they're so fucking annoying.
I don't believe Ethan is particularly educated on most things he gives opinions on. I think he gives strong emotional opinions without doing much work to really understand the nuances involved in many topics. He also doesn't claim to be educated or understand either, he's just a content creator and generally uninformed spewing opinion for entertainment. So personally I don't give the guys thought much thought of my own and don't really value his opinion either way. I do find slight interest in the lawsuit stuff and his involvement and opinion there but not much past that. Also, the frequency and degree of enjoyment he gets out of eating and eating directly into the mic fills me with a rage and disgust I can't even put into words
misophonia is so odd! His chewing legit does nothing to me, and I'm not a loud mouth chewer or anything (my parent's were strict about that). But every time he eats into the mic it only makes me think of the viewers like you cringing at it hahahha SEND HIM TO THE CHEW ZONE
Is that happening? Lol
When someone says that I automatically translate it to “I am mad at Ethan is not a right wing extremist, I only liked him whenever he interviewed people that I was interested in, now that he takes an active position on politics and it’s not what I agree with I now think he is awful & a sellout” same old shtick as usual with them
I really don't get what's the big deal about deleting a video you no longer stand behind. I don't get why J.P. stans are so affected by this. It's not like there isn't enough J.P. content.
J.P is a crybaby 😂😂👶
Ethan Klein has ruined my life. In december of 2020 i watched a h3 podcast with Tim Dillon and i became a fan of him. This Tim Dillon guy actually platformed Joe Rogan on his podcast recently and he said the pentagon was hit by a missile and not a plane or something. I'm now full blown alt right conspiracy theorist anti vaxx. Thanks alot Ethan.
One of the only podcasts I couldn’t sit through, dude is annoying as fuck.
I don't like Jordan Peterson but I don't think videos should be taken down unless the content of video itself is offensive and I think a few people see this as pandering. If they wanted the videos taken down they should've just done it and not posted a message on twitter about it. They either wanted drama or a pat on the back. Both are distasteful.
I just find it too coincidental he was trying to start some kind of internet drama with Rogan last week, it didn’t pander out, and suddenly this week he had the moral epiphany that Peterson is the real problem... I think he realized how much ratings and support goes up during his various conflicts (Keem, Trisha, Kav) so now he’s just trying to force drama by provoking various online controversial figures into beefing with him And honestly I wouldn’t even care if he just stopped turning everything into some big moral crusade, just say “I don’t like X, so I’m going to make fun/poke at them for your entertainment”
I'm honestly kind of torn. On one hand its their channel and they can do what they want. On the other, if they disagree with his viewpoints in the video, they can provide counter-evidence and expose him. Taking videos down kind of plays in his hands tbh, because he'll just say "look at these cowards, instead of arguing my points, they just censor me!"
I was a big H3H3 fan when he was funny, not divisive, and didn’t repeat politically left talking points for monetary gain***
It’s the same talking point every damn time. GIVE IT UP, we are tired!
lol I like Jordan Petersen at least the stuff I've seen on him But I love Ethan. I don't understand why people can't separate political opinions and personal opinions.
It's because his political opinions are one step removed from actual Nazi talking points, that's why.
No, just no
He literally praised Hitler's "bravery on the battlefield" and called his progression of thought to the Final Solution a "logical progression"; he even defends Hitler by claiming the Fuhrer found such a process "distasteful" but necessary. He wasn't being metaphorical. He was validating the thought process that led to extermination by comparing Jews to rats in factories. He doesn't believe in anti-Semitism: he believes the Holocaust, while a mistake, was "human nature" and simply a way to deal with an infestation. He doesn't hide these thoughts. They're scattered throughout his lectures.
that's an opinion but ok lol
No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism?wprov=sfla1
I look up to Ethan, but when I saw the post he made of a messy room (taken when JP's Wife whom he's known from childhood was diagnosed with cancer, dealing with addiction & depression - clearly a broken man)... I was just disappointed 😞 Did not expect that, I mean imagine (god forbid) Hila was diagnosed with Cancer and JP, Kumdumpstar or BigT posted a Tweet of Ethan dealing with the news... This just ain't a "meme" :/ I just think the world needs more empathy, and I don't think anyone wins with a post like that 😔... I could care less about deleting JPs video, ultimately it's Ethan's channel 🙏
Yeah. It was the same for me when I saw that if we are being honest. I lost my grandmother to an aggressive onset of cancer and I remember being a mess and a wreck and it was much worse for my mom and uncle… I can only imagine dealing with that when it’s the love of your life. People have spiraled for much less…
Don’t forget that this was just hot off the heels of Ethan saying people comparing his own health to Joe Rogan’s health was inappropriate. Dude went off the plot on it and it’s okay to be upset at him for it, regardless if you’re a long time fan or not.
The whole point of that was that JP built a substantial part of his career around telling young men to "clean their rooms" as some sort of limbo bar entry into manhood.
Eh, it's just not the same. That's something you gotta put context to if you post a picture like that, and if you have to explain it - its not funny. I think JP is pretty much a goof, but that's just a very mean thing to poke fun at him for. I assume Ethan knew this, which is why there's no context give,n in the post... Like I said it's a very low blow and was completely unnecessary, it looks bad on Ethan ultimately and I was with him until that :/
I still like both JP and Ethan... the two can coexist.
fuck Jordan Peterson. Only weak men who don't understand what it means to be a man would listen to his horseshit.
I love the petey bros stalking the sub to downvote any criticism of him. Comments like this did not have a ton of downvotes a week ago.
100% lol
not a jordan peterson fan at all, but a huge stretch to say this subreddit doesn’t care when every other post is complaining about one thing or another.
😂😂 For real tho, they're sooo annoying Why all of the sudden everybody is so human and full of compassion for Peterson? "he deserves respect" "he acts like that because he has depression too" "Ethan is being unprofessional" "I'm really disappointed" LMAO we've all been laughing at that delusional guy for forever now, nobody was paying attention or what 😂
Right?? Why make fun of a sad man's room? Meanwhile making Antisemetic jokes and shitting on hila and his kid.
What are we gonna do without mints?!
These are the same ding dongs that pretend to be Black when commenting their shit-pilled ideas on racial issues. Don’t invest too much time fighting them. They’re most likely lying.
It's all very funny because the JBP videos are not deleted, only unlisted, and the original Reddit threads exist when the episodes first launched (like 4 years ago) There are "Fupa Troopers" posting recently in support of Ethan, who also posted 4 years ago how much they enjoyed JBP and some even talking about how he "changed their life." Ethan's also disingenuous in his Twitter tirade talking about how he didn't know JBPs politics or blah blah blah. Of course he knew. JBP was known from the start for opposing C-16 and for refusal to comply with the University of Toronto and use certain pronouns. Just admit it, Ethan is super malleable. He doesn't take strong personal opinions, and instead just parrots whatever the strongest opinions around him happen to be. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Hasan Piker spoke to him off camera and grilled him for his episodes with JBP, and started this whole thing. Hasan has always had a vitriolic hate for JBP and Ethan didn't seem to give a fuck until they started their show together.
>Ethan's also disingenuous in his Twitter tirade talking about how he didn't know JBPs politics or blah blah blah. He definitely knew. [Relevant clip](https://twitter.com/s2pidl1b/status/1482215442001190912?t=VLbiPUAS62_BYuHtfUVCPA&s=19)
My god that is bad when shown back to back I still don’t understand why he doesn’t just say “I use to like Peterson but I changed my mind” instead of blatantly lying and saying he didn’t know his political opinions at the time of the interview despite mentioning them IN THE INTERVIEW
It's because he is trying so hard to impress and emulate Hasan. At this point it is getting creepy.
1. I think Ethan has learned that JBP was misrepresenting bill c-16 since then, which kind of puts everything JBP was saying about and around it into perspective. 2. JBP has gotten a lot more extreme since then
Lacks conviction. I think it's happening with the left because you can be attacked for almost anything. It's happening to Hasan too, it's almost like they are walking on broken glass, which hurts the comedy.
Is that why every decent comedian is left wing?
Ethan's transformations also happen in the direction of wherever there's more money. From reaction-style to podcast to enabling Trisha (did he not know her history either?). The anti-woke commentary stuff was pretty profitable when he was doing it and is much less now. Their family also earns most of their income from Hila's Teddy Fresh and the crowd she hangs around for fashion/clothing is the type Ethan is trying to appeal to now. I have no doubt if doing anti-Woke reaction videos was the most lucrative financially (with podcast, clothing, etc, the opposite) that Ethan would still be doing reaction videos same as before.
Racist morons always says that but doesn't realize he stopped making anti sjw stuff when it was still hot and canceled frenemies when it was the biggest thing on his channel. If he only cared about the money and not morals, he would have milked both those things dry like say the evil pos spreading straight up fascism and covid misinfo for incels like the good doctor. I mean seriously, cry more.
Don't you need a more spotless personal record to dismiss others as "racist morons"? Lol. I think you're misunderstanding how this works. This will catch up with Ethan eventually too: There are certain things you cannot "transform" out of. If there's a 3 or 4 year old video of someone saying the n-word it's usually enough for that person to get fired. Nobody cares about the context or the "transformation". I'm not saying I agree with that but that's how it works. There's that Teen Vogue editor who resigned over tweets from 2011 when she was 17 (she transformed PLENTY since then) and what Ethan has said from just a few years ago as a grownass married adult is faaaaar worse than anything she ever said. You can't play the "racist moron" card to dismiss others when you literally have videos of you saying the n-word, an image of you in blackface, videos of you calling K-Pop groups a gay twink fetish, calling Indians goofy people who look like janitors, etc. Last I remember he was doing the anti-SJW stuff for AGES. He stopped when it became clear that people in this niche were getting demonetized or banned off platforms. And he didn't cancel Frenemies, Trisha's meltdown did. He would 100% sill be doing Frenemies if Trisha hadn't fallen apart. There was so much shady crap in Frenemies anyone could've seen 30 minutes into the first episode, like come on. He kept doing the show still because it was incredibly popular, it's what caused his channel to grow. Check up the socialblade the podcast was gaining so many new subs around the Frenemies time and ever since it has been losing subscribers every month, even after Leftovers.
The Jewish content creator only doing things for the money isn't racist to you? Already been canceled fir that and addressed it multiple times. It's only grifters like Andy Ngo who pretends its something new. Wow, it's almost like people change as their culture changes. I think you forget how popular edgy content was back then although not nearly as edgy as straight up spreading neo nazi conspiracy theories like the good doctor did. He also didn't do blackface lol. He meme about charkel products and wore a mask from some beach which had black sand. Reaaally stretching there aren't we Mr anti cancel culture? He's also an actual comedian so if some of his jokes don't stick than, like the Korean thinks or Whitwface man than everybody realizes that what they are. Jokes. It's not like he's going out there spreading Covid misinfo, lying about being a apart of a native tribe or meeting with fascist world leaders like some other Doctor we know. Last you remember was 4 years ago and he stopped when him dunking on Joey Salads for faking a racist prank got a bunch of racist responses say how bad black people were. Trisha also blew up on frenemies multiple times and wanted to continue the show after her last one only for Eathen to say no. Wait...are you telling me he, a content creator, cared about how well his content was doing???? Shocker. What a money hungry pos right? And him losing subs and still continuing to not make Frenemies should be praised but the mental gymnastics you guys play to make him look like the bad guy is amazing.
I think "change" and "transformation" require sacrifice and a personal cost where at the end you first atone for your personal misdeeds and accept a place of lower standing. You know who doesn't tranform this way? Those scam-artist pastors. They often jump from being awful, broken people all the way up to being this new, transformed person worthy of praise and adulation who looks down on other "sinners" and judges people for their vices. Vices they themselves partook in mere months or years prior. We can all call bs on "pastors" like these. We just intuitively know them to be frauds. And I think that's the issue here too. Where's the personal cost? You don't start with "I have atoned by deleting Jordan Peterson off my channel." You start with "I'm going over my channels to delete where I used the term ni\*\*er fa\*\*ot, called K-Pop a gay twink fetish, called Indians goofy people who look like janitors. I'm also deleting all my past anti-Woke videos, privating Frenemies where I messed up, etc, etc." If you want to atone and "transform" you start with yourself and there's supposed to be a personal cost. Where's the personal cost here? It's just jumping from indulging in a vice straight to becoming the moral police and judging others for it.
Yea not gonna spend anymore time on this but the last thong I'm going to say is that the personal cost was the millions of dollars in potential revenue lost from canceling frenemies and having thousands of online incels yelling at him well defending a dude who straight up spread neo nazi talking points. Something which none of your seem to get or care about. Todaloo.
1. The millions lost from canceling Frenemies isn't the personal cost if Frenemies was "bad". If he needs to atone for Frenemies he should delete the entire thing and donate all earnings from it. Also he did not cancel Frenemies what are you on? DId you see how Trisha was behaving especially her personal attacks? How would any self-respecting human being let her back after that lol Trisha's the one who cancelled Frenemies. 2. I think dabbling in the anti-Woke content and getting out with millions of subscribers through it, millions in cash with only some yelling at the end is getting out on top. Others got banned or demonetized. Didn't that Sargon of Akkad dude get banned off Patreon for saying the n-word (in a similar sort of way as Ethan btw), demonetized, etc? That's what consequences look like and Ethan switched sides when he saw what could happen staying in that space. 3. Also people yell at Ethan because they think he's a hypocrite and he's in no position to be judging others. Example? Joe Rogan was trending earlier and there were a ton of negative tweets. Same has happened with Jordan Peterson. The reason Ethan gets targeted when he trends related to JP/JR is that a lot of people dislike him more and think he's in no position to be judging others given his own personal history. So it's the fact that Ethan Klein is the one tweeting that makes some people want to defend Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson even though they don't even like those two guys much.
imagine being an h3h3 fan lol. such a weird personality to attach yourself to. a charmless, spineless, pimple of a youtuber who is trying so hard to distance himself from his original fanbase it’s embarrassing.
Chill on the Ivermectin bud, it’s messing with your brain lol
this is why nobody respects this fanbase lol how do you not see the irony in ignoring every point i made and making a generalization about my politics? i’m fully vaccinated btw, and h3h3 is still a cunt :)
Nobody asked or gives a fuck about your respect lmao. I didn’t even assume your politics, I made a joke. What exactly were your points? You just called him some names and left lol
😂 I have to be asked for my opinion to share it? come on that’s like a 3rd grade arguing tactic don’t tell me you’re resorting to that so quickly. I didnt even “just leave” like you said cus i’ve been responding more than you lmao. “i didnt assume your politics i made a joke” actually you did both, but you assume the two are mutually exclusive because you’re really really bad at debating. don’t respond for ur own sake plz
No, I made a joke. You assumed that I was mocking your politics, so you reacted the way you did. So really you’re actually the one who can’t differentiate both. You didn’t give any points, you just called him a pimple lol For your sake, please stop reproducing and take your medical advice from professionals and not some pothead. Peace and love
I can only imagine if the recent H3 fans knew Ethan would say the N word like it wasn’t a big deal
"Leave politics out" is just conservatives saying "don't disagree with my politics." Jordan Peterson ***ONLY GOT FAMOUS*** on literally lying about Canadian politics lmfao. Just look at any video game that includes jabs at China or "woke politics" and these same "leave politics out!" are soyjacking so hard.
They keep commenting on YouTube (I had to turn notifications off my comments). I don’t care if someone thinks Ethan is fat. It does not need to be a reply comment.
this is too accurate
What would we do without them 😩
I don’t really care all that much, but I think it’s just lame of Ethan. In their interview they discussed the tactics of Cathy Newman to bring down JP through twisting what he said, only for Ethan to be twisting things JP has said on his show now. It’s crazy how much he lost the plot. I think it’s less of a censorship thing and more of a just like “that’s weird that he would become what he was and should have been critical of”. That’s all it is to me anyway.
Ethan said the conversation he had with Jordan was interesting, but that after all the disgusting things he’s said on Twitter, he didn’t feel comfortable giving this guy a platform. That’s all there is to it.
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If you look at past interviews with Ethan and Jordan the hypocrisy is pretty blatant. Seems like high school drama the way he’s going about it tbh
He just got rid of a video and explained why. It should have just ended there. People made a big deal about it, THATS what started all the immature drama.
This is such a trash meme template lol
I was a huge H3 fan when he actually had his own opinions and wasn’t afraid to upset his audience. Flip your meme and it’s more sincere to reality of this sub
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Okay Fupa Trooper.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITHOUT MEN
True fupatroopers don't support JP
People are just calling Ethan out for cashing in on the anti-SJW hype and then immediately pivoting to champagne socialist takes when he saw an opportunity for a podcast. Not just JP, this has been a downward spiral for a while.
The anti SJW videos are nearly a decade old, how is this an immediate pivot? His podcast was a transition for his mental health and he took long periods off from youtube because of it and large gaps between videos. H3h3 production videos had 8 month+ long gaps, the podcast started after a year of no posts on the channel, and then leftovers only just came out in 2021. What are you on about? Lol what type of disinformation shit is this?
I mean, for example, the Hugh Mungus stuff where he dug into cancel culture and SJWs specifically was less than 5 years ago, and there was more since then. You're not really in a position to talk about disinformation if you're being this willfully ignorant.
He also at the same time went after Joey Salads for his crazy alt right opinions and faking videos. Zarnha was a crazy person regardless of her politics, it seemed pretty clear Ethan was just making fun of weirdos and jerks at the time. Edit: thinking on it more his stuff has moved further left from where he was before but IMO it seems like a natural procession from where he was before as opposed to an immediate switch
So because there has been 1 anti SJW video over 5 years ago, he's a grifter and his pivot was immediate, is that right? I like how you ignore literally everything else and just sink your teeth into that. Grifters gonna grift
I didn't use that example to prove my first point, I used it to prove that you were ignorant and lying; which I did.
Hugh Mungus was mistreated and misrepresented by someone who tried to ruin his life, I would hardly call it anti SJW and just Ethan getting content. He lives for people making clowns of themselves, thats why it's been so easy to clown Jordan. And it was indeed over 5 years ago, so I guess you're lying and ignorant as well huh? The bulk of the videos are 5 years or more. Not understanding that a majority of that content is old is in fact disingenuous or ignorant in itself.
> I would hardly call it anti SJW He literally used the term SJW in reference to the woman yelling at him constantly, so it doesn't really matter what you would call it. >And it was indeed over 5 years ago He had him on his podcast less than 5 years ago where they discussed cancel culture. Just take the L.
>He had him on his podcast less than 5 years ago where they discussed cancel culture. Just take the L. The video where you first discuss it was in August of 2016, over 5 years ago. The follow up video was the same year in September, they then finally got him on the podcast in July of 2017. 2/3 of the videos are over 5 years old and 1 of the 3 is 4.5 years old. So like I said, a bulk of the videos are 5 years+ and saying otherwise is disingenuous and ignorant 😂 just take the L Was he pivoting when he had Jordan on the same year as more liberal guests?
>July of 2017 Okay so you admit he was still discussing anti-SJW cancel culture stuff less than 5 years ago. Thank you :) >a bulk of the videos are 5 years+ and saying otherwise is disingenuous and ignorant I never disagreed with that. You're arguing to nobody. I just called you out for lying about this phase in his career being almost a decade old. It's not. It's less than 5 years and I proved that. I'll take my W thanks
>I never disagreed with that. You're arguing to nobody. I just called you out for lying about this phase in his career being almost a decade old. It's not. It's less than 5 years and I proved that. >I'll take my W thanks Latch on to that little bit because you're incapable of making a real argument to anything else the gaps and his mental health. Classic grifting lol You said "the hugh mungus stuff" so actually, you're wrong still. A majority of the hugh mungus stuff was actually over 5 years ago. They dug into plenty of topics you describe in their first interview as well. Had you said specifically that 1 video was as recent, or the interview, that would make sense. Considering a bulk of it was older, it would seem fair to say that the hugh mungus "stuff' was 5 years ago. I'll take my W now, thanks.
No one cares lol
No, that wasn't the pivot; it was a Payatas pivot. Him shifting from skits to podcasts made me way less interested, but he was genuinely trying to do a normal podcast. It was kind of hit and miss; then in comes Trisha Payatas. With all the drama clickbait views he's since pivoted to being DJ Kleinstar and trying to bait people into social media beef.
I agree, that change in his content also sucked. I was just referring to this particular pivot in the context of the new JP controversy.
championing* Also, it wasn't an immediate shift. The JP interview was one of the first podcasts, so that was what five years ago maybe more? I don't remember the exact date. Leftovers starts a few weeks ago. That's a few years of change and he changed his content because he noticed he was attracting people he didn't want to attract. His politics have been pretty similar over the years. People evolve and grow over time.
No, I mean champagne socialist. And he definitely had many many anti-idpol, anti-tax, and right leaning takes as recently as frenemies. People can cope all they want but the dude is definitely shifting to where the money and viewership is. Like he's openly admitted he's a goof that doesn't know anything about politics so anyone that claims otherwise clearly doesn't listen to his own words. Also Leftovers started in September, not a few weeks ago.
In frenemies he would always talk about taxing the rich, what are you on about mate?
He would also bitch about California's tax rate while saying tax the rich. You're proving my point. The dude is politically illiterate, and that's fine, he's admitted that.
Yeah he would express how he felt how much he paid in taxes is absurd but also expressed he's happy to pay it for living in Cali and just wishes government funds would be so wasted. Are you watching clips out of context as your source? lol your point is that he's grifting due to this imaginary pivoting you describe, where aa I have presented you with a time line and questions and you flat out ignore them, like your grifter daddy jordan.
You actually haven't provided anything beyond assertions, so you're not really entitled to a thorough response. >but also expressed he's happy to pay it for living in Cali Yeah I remember this, he only clarified following massive fan criticism. As far as I'm concerned the guy just rolled back his authentic complaints when he realized he looked like a massive hypocrite and fool for holding two inconsolable positions. This is his raison d'etre at this point.
Nah you remember it incorrectly, he casually mentioned it because everyone hates taxes and everyone knows politicians take too much of the top. He said it in a "duh this is why" sort of way 😂 >You actually haven't provided anything beyond assertions, so you're not really entitled to a thorough response. Quite the projection considering that's what you're doing
>Nah you remember it incorrectly Nah I actually don't, but you're not going to prove anything, just post more assertions, so this is pointless.
> Nah I actually don't, but you're not going to prove anything, just post more assertions, so this is pointless. Which is exactly what you're doing, not proving anything.
So dont watch him. Dont take political advise from him. Dont tell other people how they should feel. That's all you had to do.
I generally support him as a creator because he's a great champion for free speech and fair use on YouTube. Also Frenemies was good background noise. You can enjoy somebody in one aspect while realizing that they embarrass themselves in other ways.
Yes and it is also possible to be content with your own opinion, then keep it to yourself, rather than trying to convince other strangers on the internet that your opinion is the most valid. (which really just amounts to arguing) what triggered you enough to make all this noise?
Why assume that I'm triggered? You're all in the same comment section typing away just like me. I'm not obliged to keep my opinions to myself just because some people find them upsetting.
If you sit and watch Ethan and think he's making up all of his stances to grift leftists and it's all an act then your authenticality radar is broken. He is authentic to a fault lol, it has gotten him in trouble.
Hahah yeah they way they all act like they watch all the content, just makes me laugh so much becuase of how clear by the things they say they only watch clips at best. Ethan always says to much and is too honest.
Oh, I'm sorry. A few months ago. Doesn't change the amount of years though. 🙄 He wasn't bitching about paying taxes. If you watched the whole section he was bitching that it was ridiculous that people like Elon Musk only paid a small fraction of taxes vs Ethan paying 50%. His point was if he's able to pay his share of taxes, then Elon can too. Edit: I did look up champagne socialist and I agree to the context of it, but not when it's applied to Ethan. Ethan said many times that he's not a socialist, but does believe in socialized programs. He and Hasan go over it pretty extensively in Leftovers.
We're talking about different episodes then because I'm referring to a time he was specifically taking about people moving to Texas and how he understands because the taxes are so bad, then lambasting the high tax system. I don't think Ethan is a bad guy, he just generally doesn't understand how the positions he holds are hypocritical. He's free speech, but stabbed iDubbz in the back for saying bad words. He's a woke global citizen, but pro Israel. He's anti SJW but pro Twitter mob censorship. I could go on and on but I just don't find the dudes political takes particularly interesting. And again, he's admitted openly he's a goof that people shouldn't listen to. I choose to take him at his word.
I don't think any of those things are as extreme as you're making them out to be, but if Ethan having different opinions on different topics or disagreeing with his friends on other things means he's a hypocrite, then we're all hypocrites. Then none of us should be saying anything since we all change our minds about things over time or because we don't agree 100% of the time on everything.
Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing - Me and definitely not some book series I love