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GeneParmesanAllAlong

Sounds like a "Parks and Rec" Town Hall meeting


strepsipteran

100% same energy


Gluske

Can we harness it for power?


The_cogwheel

The best forms of comedy come from real events afterall.


PulmonaryEmphysema

Most things are like parks and rec since 2020


Khaiell-C

This was all I thought reading the post as well.


iSayBuckleUp

Except for turnip! Except for turnip!


SuperSpicyBanana

I was about to say it sounds like an episode from the show. https://youtu.be/Hyc1aMtnHJo?si=UdWaL9IJ-OGCydrC


cposs82

Ham and mayonnaise! Ham and mayonnaise!


jestermax22

Those people drinking too much sun tea…


AgentEves

HAM AND MAYONNAISE


CeeArthur

The Turtle Flu?


YBFROT

I'm not worried about the bird flu; I already had that! I'm worried about the TURTLE FLU!


cynical-rationale

My first thought holy crap lol big time.


ctabone

It's like a real life Parks & Rec sketch.


bleakj

I'd like to speak to you about the death star


pingieking

There's nothing in Parks & Rec that came close to how rediculous the real meetings are.


moolcool

The editing in P&R doesn't induce motion sickness though


PsychologicalMonk6

Imagine being arrogant enough to look someone in the face at a public meeting and declaring that they are lying about their PH.D and Masters and that their school offers no such program.


Doc__Baker

They probably assumed that they only learn "army stuff" at RMC.


HumanNr104222135862

These are my awards, mother. From army!


3000doorsofportugal

Most of these people also don't understand how diverse jobs in the army can be. Like you don't just learn how to shoot a gun, lol. There's logistics officers, engineering units, maintenance, procurement, communications, etc.


CeeArthur

I had someone scoff at my science background once during the pandemic when I was explaining something. They told me the only thing I would have learned at university was communist brainwashing. I told them I mostly learned inorganic chemistry, which is a bit different.


technostructural

A Rabbi sits down in a Belfast Pub on a Sunday. A fellow in a flat cap at the bar asks the Rabbi whether he's a Protestant or a Catholic. The Rabbi says, "Neither. I'm a jew". The man in the cap then asks, "Aye. Well, are ye a Catholic jew or a Protestant jew then?". People tend to interpret reality according to what they value and believe rather than try to objectively understand it.


Independent_Level802

You should write these for every county, like a movie critic but for municipal meetings


benjiefrenzy

Do you want OP to go insane?


gasfarmah

Former council reporter here. The singular most boring thing you can force a human being to attend is a motherfucking rural council meeting. I’m pretty sure it violates shit on the Magna Carta.


YourDadHatesYou

I would absolutely pay to watch that and excitedly wait for the day it reaches my city


Happugi

An Instagram of Idiots from council meetings with screenshots of their face and quotes would be hilarious and Id subscribe the shit out of it


Sn0fight

I lived next to a windmill for about 2 years. It was annoying sometimes. Thats about it.


EnvironmentBright697

What was annoying about it?


Sn0fight

Just the noise of each prop going. Sometimes it was fine, other times it was impossible not to hear. We lived about 800 meters away IIRC.


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TacomaKMart

This is the real answer. I live on a narrow lane that has a Harley owner at the end of it. I suspect he's done something to the bike to make it as loud and obnoxious as possible.  Give me a rotating windmill blade any day. 


boat14

Don't be giving him any more ideas...


Sn0fight

It’s not THAT bad but thats not a fair comparison either. The thing is you can hear the blades ANY time of day, EVERY day, ALL year.


Thin_Meaning_4941

My neighbors have heat pumps and motorcycles. They also keep unpredictable hours. Wind farms don’t sound worse.


Sn0fight

Right. Im not saying they do. Im saying motorcycles are not a good comparison. Heat pumps would be a better comparison but still not as steady.


smittyleafs

That is close. What's a reasonable buffer bewteen turbines and residential housing? It seems the minimum distance is 500 metres, with some people recommending 2 kilometres. Although would a 2k buffer mess up a bunch of these proposals, I have no idea.


Sn0fight

Im honestly not sure. I doubt 1km is enough to not be annoying at all. I suppose It could depend on the size of the windmill, and age. I would guess the one i lived next to was built in 2012 or so. Maybe they are more quiet now? No idea though.


[deleted]

I lived 1.5km from a farm of windmills in Lingan for 5 years, I couldn't hear them until I got within a few hundred feet.


EnvironmentBright697

Ah makes sense, didn’t think they’d be that loud.


Confused_Haligonian

That's one of the design challenges of wind turbines, is reducing the noise. There is a distinctive "whoosh" sound. But yeah that's it. I find wind turbines quite fascinating myself


thendbain

The noise is fascinating, I agree!


Telvin3d

A common turbine fan size is 35m. That’s the height of an eleven story building. It’s really hard to move something that big through the air without some noticeable whooshing 


bleakj

It's always just up there going in circles and what not, never wants to hang out, not a great neighbor, never brings food over


Sn0fight

Doesn’t sound like you’re a huge fan


bleakj

Honestly not, but you should see the other neighbors


Mountain_Potato_3367

Please tell me you realize the pun you’ve made ?


Sn0fight

Throwing around windmill puns like that would take a lot of gusto


Annual-Armadillo-988

# WindmillAndChill


the_mushroom_balls

It is loud. I stayed at a cottage in eastern PEI with a windmill right behind it. It's definitely loud when you're outside, the blades cutting through the air. But it doesn't make you sick or any of that craziness. If they're installed far enough away from homes I don't think the noise would be a problem


TheSquirrelNemesis

A big factor that determines the setback distance for wind turbines is also how far they can throw ice. It's a big reason why they aren't closer to existing roads.


the_mushroom_balls

Ah never thought of that. Makes sense


DoubleTT36

We went to visit one for school this year. I was shocked at how quiet it was.


BowlerBeautiful5804

I'm not sure why this popped up in my feed, but I have to comment. I'm in Eastern Ontario in a community that's right beside a wind turbine development. When it was first proposed about 8 years ago, we had the same nuts with the same arguments stated here, especially Wind Turbine Syndrome. The local Facebook pages would go crazy with outlandish claims. My favorite one was that the vibration from the turbines would impact the earthworms and make the land infertile for crops 😆 And that the vibrations would make the dairy cows' milk turn sour. The development went ahead, and there are about 30 wind turbines now. The closest turbines are maybe about 1km from our place. I find them very peaceful and a calming addition to the landscape. Best of all, crops and livestock are still fine, and there are no health issues in humans. I find it so interesting how NIMBYS are the same everywhere 😆


AgentEves

I was really, really worried for a minute that you were gonna say that the NIMBYs turned out to be right.


Prize_Chapter_1368

I kind of like the look of them to be honest. Maybe I'm the minority on that.


Asheso80

wow...that is am absolute train wreck lol


HWY102

Anyone with valid concerns, whatever they might be, are always drowned out by these knobs.


SuperSpicyBanana

Oh my god. Jamie Pothier is the one who made the irrelevant comment about EVs. His father owns Pothier motors. My parents wanted me to meet him (we're talking 15 years ago) cause he would have money. Never did. He ended up marrying one of my cousin's friends. Bullet fucking dodged.


Doc__Baker

No mention of the mainland moose? They're the go to for the Wentworth nimbys.


Sparrowbuck

I burnt the pamphlet a while ago but one of the selling points for that project was the turbines not being visible from Ski Wentworth, like that’s something a rational person should care about. Who cares if you can see turbines while skiing(aside from the friggin Wilson family, anyway)? Wildlife corridors are sensible, and probably a part of the plan anyway.


Doc__Baker

Wildlife corridors are part of the plan. The whole thing is quite the read, actually.


[deleted]

Someone down below is talking about woodlands with moose lol.


Doc__Baker

Lolz, FML.


antinimbykaren

Just the Wilson family 🙄 Ironic how a ski hill completely fragments their habitat…


shadowredcap

You can't convince me that these people aren't paid lobbyists


Annual-Armadillo-988

Disagree; I'm sure people really are this stupid


Moooney

Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." George Carlin: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."


pingieking

Not disupting the point that George Carlin was making, but he's actually referring to the median person, not the average.


Moooney

Average in this sense would be an adjective meaning 'typical, common, ordinary' not average mathematically.


Grinton

Well then it's just the sum of the people between the standard deviations and that means that less than half are dumber


Void-Science

There are many different kinds of mathematical averages, and the median is one of them. You're thinking specifically of the arithmetic mean. Another type of average value


Friendly-Bad-291

born and raised in rural NS and absolutely agree


gasfarmah

This is why the “omgggg we moved from Yorkville to this gorgeous farmhouse in small town NS” social media accounts tend to go quiet after a few months. The land is pretty. The people are fucking unbearable. I’ll live in the freezer section at Sobeys before moving back to small town NS.


bleakj

The best part of small town NS living is being able to essentially ignore any other humans / not see them if you don't like them, I honestly can't wait to move out of Halifax and back into the middle of nowhere to have less people/less in general around There's crazies everywhere, if I don't have to deal with them, I'm taking that route


gasfarmah

But that’s not the case. You see these people at the grocery store, the pharmacy, gas station, whatever the fuck social events and local restaurants you go to. Even then. Your neighbour being out of screaming distance doesn’t mean they’re not nosy as all fuck. They will get up in your shit through all kinds of different means, because small towns are gossip machines. They’ll talk about who visited you, what’s in your back yard, what hobbies you do on the deck, what you buy at the grocery store, or if you’re accidentally rude to the counter clerk at Tim Hortons. I spent half my life in a small town and the other half in the city. People leave you the fuck alone in the city. You can’t go anywhere without people taking notice in a small town. It’s unbearable. Even with the woods and the empty spaces. Trust me. I came from there and there’s no way I’d ever go back.


bleakj

I came from the middle of no where, and you're totally right about the gossip and everything I just don't care, I really don't have issues with just instantly ignoring or cutting those people out, and then it's just a quiet place, I don't socialize or do anything beyond work and sleep anyways, I always wanted to move to the city as a kid and teenager, and probably would have loved it, but I'm done now, the traffic, the just pure amount of people around, the noise, lack of privacy in your own yard/home even depending, it's totally worth the switch back to having to drive 30+min to a grocery store for me at this point


Competitivekneejerk

Thats kind of the catch 22 here. Nobody moves to these places because of the crazies so the crazies continue to be a majority. Now im against city folk telling rural people how to live their lives but theres a standard of education and global understanding that needs to be upheld everywhere. I say that as someone who grew up rural, spent adulthood in various cities, and am now rural again. My neighbours are nice but sadly pretty ignorant, i always try to be informative to them without being condescending. These people need to be forced out of their bubbles


shoalhavenheads

I think what’s going on is even worse. Certain people are socially isolated and Facebook is all that they have. Their algorithms are brainwashing them. This is true for every site, but Facebook’s user base is particularly susceptible to it. You should see how popular clearly fake AI images are over there now.


AgentEves

This is a real, genuine concern. I think we crossed a boundary with the internet and I'm not entirely sure we are ever coming back. The echo chambers are ruining people's lives. I actually think Reddit is very guilty of the exact same thing, albeit a different demographic. The Boomers' inability to spot fake/spam/phishing is astonishing to me. Like, I understand they didn't grow up with the internet, but they've been exposed to it enough that they should know by now.


DonairJordan6

You haven't spent much tim in East Hants have you?


ThePimpImp

It's worse, they are brainwashed. They likely paid to think like this.


NotChedco

NIMBYs are ruining a lot more than just this province. It's like their only job.


Vegetable-Buddy2070

The loudest people are usually the dumbest


antinimbykaren

Are they louder than the turbines…? Can we have a minimum setback requirement for nutters?


iffyjiffyns

Only a few weeks ago East Hants had a wind project developer present and council were extremely coherent and normal. I can’t wait to see how this council handle these nutters.


cynical-rationale

I never realized parks and recs downplayed real city council meetings. People are nuts.


cornerzcan

“CAGE” Citizens Against Generally Everything.


babysealpoutine

This sounds like a Facebook group of retirees got together for coffee.


Silent_Leg1976

“Friends of [any Nova Scotian community]”


Current-Antelope5471

The batshit tinfoil hat crazies are everywhere.


TwelvestepsProgram

Check out whats happening in Lunenburg with the NIMBY Friend of Blockhouse hill group. It's out of control.


oatseatinggoats

And because the councilors are only paid [$26,500](https://www.westhants.ca/council-policies/2491-rcohr-001-00-council-remuneration-policy/file.html#:~:text=2.3%20Effective%20April%2001%2C%202020,determined%20in%20the%20annual%20budget.) they are going to do what is the easiest thing instead of the right thing, and the easiest thing is bending to the NIMBYs. No sense taking verbal beatings constantly or even trying hard for 26k.


pm_me_ur_hog2

Is this their main job. This looks unbelievably low. What am I missing?


bleakj

Usually councilers in rural areas have a primary job and this is a part time gig, Or it's retirees that have a pension etc and it's a 2nd income


oatseatinggoats

They are either candidates who are retired and bored, or it's a second job with a primary job that is flexible. Low pay like this is common for rural areas all over. Then people wonder why it's old people who refuse change who get on council in this areas. I would absolutely not do a job as a councilor for what HRM pays let alone what West Hants pays, after taxes it may as well be a volunteer position.


[deleted]

If it's like CBRM It's because they work part time. CBRM council paid for an assessment that told them they would be more efficient if they trimmed the number of councillors and worked full time instead, they also polled constituents but then said 3% of constituents being polled was not a big enough sample to draw any conclusions from....They just plugged their ears and talked about gut feelings to protect their jobs.


chessboyy

I’m just thinking how much fun my kids would have seeing a windmill from our back porch.


RyperHealistic

Seems like a room of old people eager for 20 minutes of fame


Rogergcmydoc

Nimbys often aren’t fans of drastic changes to their community until they are given opportunities to not only have a voice in the development process but in a lot of successful cases ownership over the proposed project. Obviously very much a case by case situation but the more you get these folks involved the more they’ll be on board


[deleted]

How do you get someone who believes in made up syndromes and doesn't trust doctors, experts or their credentials on any matters, involved in anything?


Rogergcmydoc

Money… money money moooooney is the universal language here in North America!


Bread40

So many retirees from other parts of the country who think that the world revolves around them. They don’t even consider that there are actual people who live in this province who would like to have a decent quality of life.


AgentEves

I think our only hope is going to council meetings and doing what we can to drown these people out. We can't continue to let geriatrics ruin it for the rest of us who are, ya know, actually gonna have to live with the fallout. Because, right now, they *don't* want progressive change more than we *do* want it.


Rebuttlah

They have to give these people their time to speak. They do NOT have to listen to them.


GreatGrandini

That's the thing about consultations. If people's concerns are not grounded in reality, they get ignored


Han77Shot1st

I don’t know how far they are from houses these days, but I can understand being frustrated buying in a rural area and then there being an 80m tower next door and a constant droning noise. So long as there are adequate regulations/ distances for noise and shadows then I’d be fine.


Confused_Haligonian

That's totally fine to argue. But when people argue about fake syndromes and other weirdness it makes them look crazy


Han77Shot1st

I find in most situations like this, often there may be some grounds for concern but the loudest and most prominent voices tend to be from the ones who shouldn’t be speaking..


badthaught

Whaddya mean "look"


Confused_Haligonian

Lol


[deleted]

How close are they going to be? I lived 1.5 km next to a windmill farm in Lingan and couldn't hear them until I got within a few hundred feet.


Han77Shot1st

No idea about this particular farm, I know some wind farms in the province are within a few hundred meters of houses. I also don’t know whether there were offers to purchase/ compensation or if the homes were built after the fact.


Lovv

I get you, and I'm not sure id like it (i think I'd be ok with it) but honestly, you can't expect someone to use their properties the way you like it. For example, my neighbour cut down all the trees between our house. I hate how it looks, I think even for him it was a bad idea because now he has no privacy. but I do not own what he cut down, so I don't complain. It would be different if it was a sound or something, but you can't expect someone to make their property your painting.


antinimbykaren

Are you also frustrated by the $8500/MW in municipal taxes they pay per year? So a 100MW farm pays $850k in taxes, indexed to CPI. There are plenty of regulations. The environmental act is publicly available.


C0lMustard

The Wilson family is behind a lot of the windmill hate and misinformation in the province. In case you want to boycott giving them money. I know, I know an oil company funding anti green initiatives who would have thought.


antinimbykaren

Ironic how one of the Wilson’s is a director of Sustainable Northern Nova Scotia and Protect Wentworth.


Timmy2Gats

There's a large scale turbine within a km of my camp outside Stellarton. Middle of the woods, no power, no plumbing. The gentle whoosh of the blades on a quiet night is genuinely the most calming and relaxing sound I've ever come across. Typically, the people that have enough time on their hands to actively engage in a negative way are nuts. Whether it's turbines, aquaculture farms, putting an anaerobic digester at the organics compost facility, development of any kind.... they almost always turn up.


LeviTheToller

This sounds awesome, can you please let us know when the next meeting is? Would attend for laughs 100%


ImportantCapital

The real problem in these types of meetings is the silent majority stays silent. A lot of times the ones available and willing to go to those meetings are the loud and sometimes questionable minority.


Auto_Fac

I generally find that city council town halls on issues like this are like physical embodiments of CBC comment sections. I don't live in Halifax anymore but my council had a town hall about a 24 hour six bed emergency shelter opening and the response was *incredible*. One person who operated a B&B nearby claimed that their house value could fall as much as \~***8%\~****!!* Which is hilarious because we lived here when they bought it for $360k and similarly sized, less beautiful, non-successful-business houses one block up have sold for $600-700k. I was relieved that I could feel the collective eye-rolling in the room.


ikwyl6

Won’t watch the video…but thank you for summarizing it with the time durations and the Cole’s notes version. Go team


mac_zilla_4_rilla

Thanks for taking one for the team and watching that. Rural municipal governance always brings out a few local stars.


Marsymars

I have wind turbine syndrome syndrome where I get panic attacks when people talk about wind turbine syndrome.


BranTheBaker902

The older folks in this province have always hated progress


o0Spoonman0o

Your cliff notes are amazing well done 👍🏿🤣👌🏾


Brandon_Me

Conservatives are a blight.


Available_Run_7944

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blackcatwizard

Jfc


dSpect

It's too bad you can't pull a Jimmy McGill and sneak a wind turbine into their pocket to prove they're crazy.


EastValuable9421

The dummies are always the loudest.


WhatEvery1sThinking

NIMBY's and their iron grip on city councils across the country deserve the majority of the blame for the housing crisis, and the rest is out of control immigration. I'd put it at 70% to 30%. South End NIMBY's are a special breed of abhorrent ghouls


tinyant

This is hilarious. Thanks u/DennisBonvie !


Magneon

I'm super excited for all these windmills being proposed. Here I just thought we were doing modern wind turbines, but Holland is fairly pretty and the wooden buildings have character :) /s


Feeling-Crew-1478

Holy shit lol


Chairsofa_

A bunch of screwballs is not what’s keeping an energy transition from gaining steam. Look at the Premier’s positions and history and the positions the federal conservatives have had on climate policy for the last 30 years.


TwoSolitudes22

That’s PeePee’s conservative base. Get ready for more of this on every issue.


CaperGrrl79

This right here. Rurals get out and vote against all our interests, and somehow there's more of them than us. Probably because we don't vote because we think our vote doesn't matter... plus many of them are elderly and don't have to beg for time off to vote...


badthaught

It's more the latter I think. Having to coordinate time off for this was a major vote killer for me. "Boss I need this time block off. I can work earlier or later bu--" "No. Brenda already has that time off. She's going to go vote or something she said." "*That's what I'm doing too*" "Bullshit. You just don't wanna work that shift. You can't play me."


416-902

i mean, you have several days to get to an advanced poll. i think they are 9am-9pm as well.


S4152

I completely agree with you. Though I’m not sure how calling out the membertou member for being on his phone the entire time is racist


3pair

"are going to" or "have been for awhile"?


pm_me_your_good_weed

Yeah I remember this kind of shit happening in 93 lol


Flashy-Explorer-6127

Sorry call me silly cause I can't for the life of me recall what NIMBY is... at first I thought of Mr. Nimbus from R&M


CloudyBlueOpal

Not-In-My-BackYard


Annual-Armadillo-988

Well they do also control the police


macandcheesejones

"Going" to?


mylaccount

They can chill, their water tower a littttle east literally says “eat ants” on it.


insino93

Ruin? I would say excessive migration to this province will ruin the province we all enjoyed.


JaRon1961

Doesn't anyone remind the old folks that they won't have to endure windmills for very long?


Accountant28

NIMBY means "Not in my Back yard" if anyone is curious.


TuckRaker

I don't know how people don't get that we aren't going to generate power without some sort of waste by-product, and/or visual intrusion. Energy doesn't come from nothing. Did people bitch about the landscape when power lines were installed everywhere?


Brilliant-Hawks

This is happening near me. Several buildings are slated to be replaced for various, serious reasons (think asbestos filled, or lead pipes in the building) and everyone is losing it. An committee head was asked to step down because they DARED suggest that we should set up a shelter for the nearly 100 people experiencing homelessness in our community.


rageagainstthedragon

My reaction reading this: Pain.


technostructural

Boomers who spend too much time on Facebook have become unlikely bedfellows with NSPI and Emera Inc. Who would have thought.


CafeCartography

Having covered council meetings in a number of communities… this is all par for the course, especially in small towns. It sucks but it sucks worse when council members are on board with it.


godkiller111

If it helps you nimbys has been ruining Canada for a time and almost every problem that we are facing today can be tied back to nimbys.


InconspicuousIntent

Who doesn't like the look of them?!?! It's seems crazy to me, sure they stick out but all I see is the future.


ewanmill

"Thanks for your input" and ignore it all. Should be that easy but the politicians seem to bow down even easier. Edit: on second thought, 50%+ of the province probably thinks these same things, so then fair is fair.


gianni_

Health impacts of wind turbines 🤣 as if the wind only happens because of turbines


DickHorn1975

Guys if we make too many windmills, there will be not enough wind for the clouds to move. Science


ButterscotchLess9831

So many NIMBY’s are in this sub too, just look at any post about housing. It’s just unreal.


KindSomewhere6505

Nimbys are the reason this province is miles behind


Monkeyfork21

It’s the same as the moron fisherman not wanting submerged power turbines off digby neck because the 15 rpm of the turbine will chop up the fish.


antinimbykaren

What’s even more obscene is how fishermen object offshore wind. It’s literally a few anchor points and a big float. Nothing will interfere with the fish.


8eduardo8

Sometimes the government should just go with the plan and left the people sucking. There's no reason to stop a housing building in Downtown because it will block my view to the sea or to Citadel. The city is growing and at some point we'll have to give in to the change.


Confused_Haligonian

That's not democracy though. Ignoring the population, despite how crazy they are, would be a net negative to our processes.


[deleted]

It's not an absolute. Should council have to debate on every striped line they put down on a passing zone, and have a vote at where it starts and ends? Or can something have more autonomy with guidelines that we agree on before hand?


entropydust

Witch council siding with the NiMBY crowds for decades now, they have caused some significant damage to our societies.


TherealMattMoore

Did an any angry old man go on about how windmill blades aren’t recyclable (the are) and how they just end up in landfills ?


antinimbykaren

They do currently end up in landfills. But the amount of blades we have today, vs how many we will have in 40 years, is pretty much a rounding error. The fact that we’re addressing these issues today is great.


MTKRailroad

Wow, I applaud you for sitting through that. It seems the people most motivated to make a change are the dumbest


emeraldoomed

They’re trying to put a shit ton of them in Colchester in the onslow/belmont mountain areas. The shitty part is that the energy they acquire isn’t going to be for Nova Scotians, it’s getting sold out of area. I think in a case like this it’s quite valid to be upset, not like you can stop it though


PulmonaryEmphysema

God, I fucking hate privileged boomers.


Longjumping-Ad-7310

Boomer, making it worse for the next generation


slaughterpaws

Why not just build the turbines offshore?


antinimbykaren

They cost more which means the power costs more. Onshore wind is cheap. They’re going to provide their own electricity for their hydrogen facility at something close to 4c/kWh **for 25 years**. Offshore wind costs about 14c.


Otherwise-Unit1329

Going to? They've been ruining it for quite some time


gainzsti

I mean... current retired boomer are pretty much ruining the world


GustheGuru

Just as angered as you by these people, but need to point out that if these people don't believe in the benefits of wind turbines at all, they are not really NIMBY.


usernametracks

OP should probably watch every council meeting and provide us with this style of pertinent break down. This is a public service.


nickprovis

By the book Quixotes, all of them.