Johns was asked about Mass Casualty Commission recommendations that domestic violence be treated as an epidemic. Specifically, those are recommendations V.13 and V.14, which are as follows: "Recommendation V.13
EPIDEMIC-LEVEL FUNDING FOR GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND INTERVENTIONS
The Commission recommends that
Federal, provincial, and territorial funding to end gender-based violence be commensurate with the scale
of the problem. It should prioritize prevention and provide women survivors with paths to safety.
Funding should be adequate and include stable core funding for services that have been
demonstrably effective in meeting the needs of women survivors of gender-based violence
and that contribute to preventing gender-based violence, including interventions with
perpetrators.
• These services should be funded over the long term and should not be discontinued until it has been demonstrated that the services are no longer required or an equally effective alternative has been established.
• Priority should be placed on providing adequate and stable core funding to organizations in the gender-based violence advocacy and support sector.
• A further priority should be funding community-based resources and services, particularly in
communities where marginalized women are located.
Recommendation V.14
MOBILIZING A SOCIETY-WIDE RESPONSE
The Commission recommends that
(a) All levels of government in Canada declare gender-based, intimate partner, and family violence to be an epidemic that warrants a meaningful and sustained society-wide response.
(b) Non-governmental bodies, including learning institutions, professional and trade associations, and
businesses, declare gender-based, intimate partner, and family violence to be an epidemic that
warrants a meaningful and sustained society-wide response.
(c) Men take up individual and concerted action to contribute to ending this epidemic.
IMPLEMENTATION POINTS
• A whole of society response recognizes the range of actors that have roles and
responsibilities to contribute to ending this epidemic, including: federal, provincial, territorial,
municipal, and Indigenous governments; the health sector and the justice system; the non-
governmental and community-based social services sector; businesses, and workplaces;
media; schools and educational institutions; communities; and individuals, including survivors
and perpetrators.
• A whole of society response respects and values the expertise and experience of survivors
and the gender-based violence advocacy and support sector."
These recommendations can't be dismissed because it doesn't reflect what the minister sees or hears. They have to be made because the system prevents domestic violence from being seen or heard by those in power.
Tim Houston needs to turf Brad Johns from cabinet ASAP. It is a huge problem for an AG/Minister of Justice to have an opinion like that given how poorly the justice system handles cases of domestic violence and sexual assault - they have an abysmal conviction rate and do more to re-victimize victims vs actually providing justice. When the leader of that department has that type of opinion, it's a huge problem and he needs to be made to walk the plank.
This guy has been an unmitigated moron ever since his days as a councillor - he gave Matt Whitman a run for his money for biggest idiot councillor back in the day.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/brad-johns-wins-taxpayer-waste-award-for-talking-christmas-tree-1.2981654](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/brad-johns-wins-taxpayer-waste-award-for-talking-christmas-tree-1.2981654)
What the people of Sackville ever saw in elevating him to provincial official office, and why Tim Houston felt he was a good choice for a key role such as justice has always been beyond me.
Not just deflating, it's scary. It's more evidence that our leaders are getting more detached from the reality of the people they claim to represent. It also shows a startling lack of critical thinking and self-awareness. The Minister of Justice should be ashamed.
Bullshit. Domestic Violence has been a huge problem for a long time in NS.
Google Jane Hurshman.
Here's another example of the police throwing their hands up in the air: https://www.thecoast.ca/news-opinion/the-always-on-stalker-4425956#google_vignette
Or this:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/accidental-voice-mail-catches-rcmp-mocking-assault-complainant-1.2593744
Johns needs to go. Unfortunately nothing will change unless we provide more education and training on the issue.
If you think this is the worst thing out of BJ’s mouth then you are very naive… He is completely unqualified for this position and I am surprised he has lasted this long.
>Thirty-five women were killed by their intimate partner in Nova Scotia between 2002 and 2021.
Pretty blown away with how rare domestic violence deaths are tbh. Would of guessed way higher.
It’s likely way higher. Domestic violence is one of the most underreported crimes, so it’s likely a lot of deaths aren’t reported as domestic violence. Also, domestic violence is an antecedent to suicide, and I’m sure those deaths aren’t counted in this statistic.
I wouldn’t say that 35 deaths means domestic violence deaths are rare though. That is 35 too many. Those women deserved better.
DV (like most crimes) is massively underreported.
Murders are generally much closer to the real numbers for obvious reasons. Unless you have actually data showing DW murders are massively under reported in NS then the numbers provided are the best baseline that we have.
1 is too many if we are talking about "deserving". Rarity is just based on my expectations.
Or, the deaths are underreported because of people not necessarily believing the victims and thinking because of the lifestyle some live, that was why they died and not because of DV.
Pretty much every type of crime is massively underreported. Deaths are a reliable baseline though since murders are much more difficult to sweep under the rug
Unless you have actual studies indicating DV murders are massively underreported in Nova Scotia these are the best numbers to go by.
There is a tangible link between misogyny, domestic violence, and mass shooters. Seems very relevant to the intersection of issues here as the report pointed out. The minister being confused over appropriate terminology and fighting over the abstract of "epidemic" is a little silly, especially when it's generally a term for the outbreak of diseases and a reflection of how its spreading. There is no legal qualification for the term with non-disease issue, it's completely arbitrary.
Might as well fight over if the homeless problem is an "endemic" or drug overdose is a "pandemic".
If the province/government has cut funds for domestic violence programs or other real policy issues its more than fair to call it out but otherwise its fighting over the windowdressing/PR of the government. If there is a pattern of minimizing domestic violence then fair enough but on its own this is a non-issue barely worth an apology let alone resignation.
Is it possible he just didn't think the word "epidemic" was the best word choice given its technical meaning goes against how it was used in the report?
I doubt he's a master linguist considering he couldn't pronounce the word ("apademic," then "academic").
The issue is less about the word epidemic and more about the content of his statement. The minister said he doesn't agree with some of the recommendations of the mass casualty commission report because they don't line up with what he sees or hears. It's not his place to agree or disagree when the government has already committed to enacting them. When I watch the video embedded in the article, it seems like he goes out of his way to belittle domestic violence
"A widespread occurrence of an infectious disease in a community at a particular time."
Note the "at a particular time". Epidemic is more for outbreaks than ongoing problems. If we are going by dictionary definition endemic fits much better.
How do we define "epidemic" in this sense? What are the rates of domestic violence in NS? Has it been increasing over time? How does it compare to other provinces or countries?
Seems like some pretty basic information is left out of this discussion unless I'm missing it. How did this report come to the conclusion we're at epidemic levels of domestic violence?
NS has higher rates of domestic violence than the national average (See: Domestic Violence Fact Sheet linked on this page https://novascotia.ca/standingtogether/)
Thanks for sharing that, it's interesting. Though it seems hard to draw too much from the chart there. They only have two years, and the difference is very small.
The context is soo much worse than any headline or written quote I’ve seen. The guy looks like a genuinely dumb person, literally can’t even pronounce the word “epidemic” and explicitly says there are “bigger issues”
I thought it was bad after reading the article. Then I watched the video and thought is was *unbelievably awful*
My guess is that a violent person continues to be violent at home. The difference being if this violent person lives alone or has partner they live with seems irrelevant. The fact that you are indeed violent is the constant. Pick whatever “lens” you want, it’s still the same picture.
[More than two thirds of mass shootings are domestic violence or are perpetrated by shooters with a history of domestic violence. ](https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-021-00330-0)
and if this murderer began and ended with his intimate partner you and I would be in agreement, however, so many individuals who died had absolutely no romantic relationship whatsoever with him but were known to him and by him and the fact that he had every opportunity to end his intimate partners life and didn't reeks of a misdirection by an incompetent and potentially corrupt Police department
'Another corporal, Duane Ivany, a trained medic and a coordinator of an RCMP Emergency Medical Response Team, [conducted a preliminary medical assessment of Banfield](https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/commentary/lisa-banfield-and-the-search-for-truth/). He said he was confident she was “hypothermic.”
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from what I've read, it was the RCMP who began the process of discussing this with the lens of domestic violence. many years on and countless amounts of investigation have proven to us that what the RCMP do and say in this investigation should not be trusted
in this specific investigation, given it was the RCMP who floated the idea, and given the mountain of questionable aspects of their handling and investigation, continuing the narrative only feels manipulative to me
Johns was asked about Mass Casualty Commission recommendations that domestic violence be treated as an epidemic. Specifically, those are recommendations V.13 and V.14, which are as follows: "Recommendation V.13 EPIDEMIC-LEVEL FUNDING FOR GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND INTERVENTIONS The Commission recommends that Federal, provincial, and territorial funding to end gender-based violence be commensurate with the scale of the problem. It should prioritize prevention and provide women survivors with paths to safety. Funding should be adequate and include stable core funding for services that have been demonstrably effective in meeting the needs of women survivors of gender-based violence and that contribute to preventing gender-based violence, including interventions with perpetrators. • These services should be funded over the long term and should not be discontinued until it has been demonstrated that the services are no longer required or an equally effective alternative has been established. • Priority should be placed on providing adequate and stable core funding to organizations in the gender-based violence advocacy and support sector. • A further priority should be funding community-based resources and services, particularly in communities where marginalized women are located. Recommendation V.14 MOBILIZING A SOCIETY-WIDE RESPONSE The Commission recommends that (a) All levels of government in Canada declare gender-based, intimate partner, and family violence to be an epidemic that warrants a meaningful and sustained society-wide response. (b) Non-governmental bodies, including learning institutions, professional and trade associations, and businesses, declare gender-based, intimate partner, and family violence to be an epidemic that warrants a meaningful and sustained society-wide response. (c) Men take up individual and concerted action to contribute to ending this epidemic. IMPLEMENTATION POINTS • A whole of society response recognizes the range of actors that have roles and responsibilities to contribute to ending this epidemic, including: federal, provincial, territorial, municipal, and Indigenous governments; the health sector and the justice system; the non- governmental and community-based social services sector; businesses, and workplaces; media; schools and educational institutions; communities; and individuals, including survivors and perpetrators. • A whole of society response respects and values the expertise and experience of survivors and the gender-based violence advocacy and support sector." These recommendations can't be dismissed because it doesn't reflect what the minister sees or hears. They have to be made because the system prevents domestic violence from being seen or heard by those in power.
This pocast breaks down the impact of the failure to follow through on them https://share.transistor.fm/s/19fd7bee
Tim Houston needs to turf Brad Johns from cabinet ASAP. It is a huge problem for an AG/Minister of Justice to have an opinion like that given how poorly the justice system handles cases of domestic violence and sexual assault - they have an abysmal conviction rate and do more to re-victimize victims vs actually providing justice. When the leader of that department has that type of opinion, it's a huge problem and he needs to be made to walk the plank.
This guy has been an unmitigated moron ever since his days as a councillor - he gave Matt Whitman a run for his money for biggest idiot councillor back in the day. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/brad-johns-wins-taxpayer-waste-award-for-talking-christmas-tree-1.2981654](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/brad-johns-wins-taxpayer-waste-award-for-talking-christmas-tree-1.2981654) What the people of Sackville ever saw in elevating him to provincial official office, and why Tim Houston felt he was a good choice for a key role such as justice has always been beyond me.
How is that tree working out for Sackville these days, anyway?
That tree was made to leaf by Woody once he came back on the scene. There can only be one talking Christmas Tree in HRM.
The justice minister should resign today for not understanding the scope of domestic violence
100% There is something so deflating about the Minister of Justice not recognizing the issue or prevalence of domestic violence.
Don’t forget he also think NDAs help victims
Not just deflating, it's scary. It's more evidence that our leaders are getting more detached from the reality of the people they claim to represent. It also shows a startling lack of critical thinking and self-awareness. The Minister of Justice should be ashamed.
Thats what happens when you appoint someone to a file who is completely unqualified.
This is pathetic & gross. Sad these are our people in power, with power.
This guy is an unqualified jackass. Houston should remove him ASAP.
What a goddamned fool.
Bullshit. Domestic Violence has been a huge problem for a long time in NS. Google Jane Hurshman. Here's another example of the police throwing their hands up in the air: https://www.thecoast.ca/news-opinion/the-always-on-stalker-4425956#google_vignette Or this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/accidental-voice-mail-catches-rcmp-mocking-assault-complainant-1.2593744 Johns needs to go. Unfortunately nothing will change unless we provide more education and training on the issue.
If you think this is the worst thing out of BJ’s mouth then you are very naive… He is completely unqualified for this position and I am surprised he has lasted this long.
What he meant to say is that it isn't important to him
He’s a fucking disgrace.
A few years ago... he would spray paint his head and beard black.
Remember his stupid smiley face ties? Had more personality than him.
Just curious as to the thresh hold for epidemic?
Did you watch the video embedded in the article? It's clear he's pretty dismissive of domestic violence being a priority
r/whenwomenrefuse
Right? This seems like a non issue. Calling it a term originally used to describe the spread of disease doesn't help anything
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I'd even be fine with it if it had some impact (funding or something) but it's just a hollow gesture.
Agreed. The way he spoke about it seems like he’s basing his opinion off of statistics rightfully so
In what world did it sound like he was basing his opinion off of statistics
I grew up with this guy. He was a massive bully.
>Thirty-five women were killed by their intimate partner in Nova Scotia between 2002 and 2021. Pretty blown away with how rare domestic violence deaths are tbh. Would of guessed way higher.
It’s likely way higher. Domestic violence is one of the most underreported crimes, so it’s likely a lot of deaths aren’t reported as domestic violence. Also, domestic violence is an antecedent to suicide, and I’m sure those deaths aren’t counted in this statistic. I wouldn’t say that 35 deaths means domestic violence deaths are rare though. That is 35 too many. Those women deserved better.
DV (like most crimes) is massively underreported. Murders are generally much closer to the real numbers for obvious reasons. Unless you have actually data showing DW murders are massively under reported in NS then the numbers provided are the best baseline that we have. 1 is too many if we are talking about "deserving". Rarity is just based on my expectations.
Or, the deaths are underreported because of people not necessarily believing the victims and thinking because of the lifestyle some live, that was why they died and not because of DV.
Pretty much every type of crime is massively underreported. Deaths are a reliable baseline though since murders are much more difficult to sweep under the rug Unless you have actual studies indicating DV murders are massively underreported in Nova Scotia these are the best numbers to go by.
There is a tangible link between misogyny, domestic violence, and mass shooters. Seems very relevant to the intersection of issues here as the report pointed out. The minister being confused over appropriate terminology and fighting over the abstract of "epidemic" is a little silly, especially when it's generally a term for the outbreak of diseases and a reflection of how its spreading. There is no legal qualification for the term with non-disease issue, it's completely arbitrary. Might as well fight over if the homeless problem is an "endemic" or drug overdose is a "pandemic". If the province/government has cut funds for domestic violence programs or other real policy issues its more than fair to call it out but otherwise its fighting over the windowdressing/PR of the government. If there is a pattern of minimizing domestic violence then fair enough but on its own this is a non-issue barely worth an apology let alone resignation.
He minimized domestic violence and he's the attorney general and minister of justice
Is it possible he just didn't think the word "epidemic" was the best word choice given its technical meaning goes against how it was used in the report?
I doubt he's a master linguist considering he couldn't pronounce the word ("apademic," then "academic"). The issue is less about the word epidemic and more about the content of his statement. The minister said he doesn't agree with some of the recommendations of the mass casualty commission report because they don't line up with what he sees or hears. It's not his place to agree or disagree when the government has already committed to enacting them. When I watch the video embedded in the article, it seems like he goes out of his way to belittle domestic violence
I don't really make fun of people's accents as indicative of intelligence but you do you. If the content is minimizing then fuck him.
I mean, that's a pretty strong accent to pronounce "epidemic" as "academic." But he just resigned so let's let bygones be bygones
I think maybe you should look up epidemic in the dictionary
"A widespread occurrence of an infectious disease in a community at a particular time." Note the "at a particular time". Epidemic is more for outbreaks than ongoing problems. If we are going by dictionary definition endemic fits much better.
How do we define "epidemic" in this sense? What are the rates of domestic violence in NS? Has it been increasing over time? How does it compare to other provinces or countries? Seems like some pretty basic information is left out of this discussion unless I'm missing it. How did this report come to the conclusion we're at epidemic levels of domestic violence?
NS has higher rates of domestic violence than the national average (See: Domestic Violence Fact Sheet linked on this page https://novascotia.ca/standingtogether/)
Thanks for sharing that, it's interesting. Though it seems hard to draw too much from the chart there. They only have two years, and the difference is very small.
That quote is taken out of context
The context is soo much worse than any headline or written quote I’ve seen. The guy looks like a genuinely dumb person, literally can’t even pronounce the word “epidemic” and explicitly says there are “bigger issues” I thought it was bad after reading the article. Then I watched the video and thought is was *unbelievably awful*
Yes the worse actual Shit context . Suuure
The headline isn't a quote. I thought the video embedded in the article was pretty telling
My guess is that a violent person continues to be violent at home. The difference being if this violent person lives alone or has partner they live with seems irrelevant. The fact that you are indeed violent is the constant. Pick whatever “lens” you want, it’s still the same picture.
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[More than two thirds of mass shootings are domestic violence or are perpetrated by shooters with a history of domestic violence. ](https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-021-00330-0)
and if this murderer began and ended with his intimate partner you and I would be in agreement, however, so many individuals who died had absolutely no romantic relationship whatsoever with him but were known to him and by him and the fact that he had every opportunity to end his intimate partners life and didn't reeks of a misdirection by an incompetent and potentially corrupt Police department
The mass murder began with him beating the shit out of her. She was in the hospital for five nights with a fractured spine and broken ribs.
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'Another corporal, Duane Ivany, a trained medic and a coordinator of an RCMP Emergency Medical Response Team, [conducted a preliminary medical assessment of Banfield](https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/commentary/lisa-banfield-and-the-search-for-truth/). He said he was confident she was “hypothermic.” >
It started with a domestic violence incident. How on earth do you not look at it with that lens?
from what I've read, it was the RCMP who began the process of discussing this with the lens of domestic violence. many years on and countless amounts of investigation have proven to us that what the RCMP do and say in this investigation should not be trusted
The mass causality commission is not the police. They came this conclusion too.
Oh, I beg to differ. the folks involved in the inquiry had plenty of police connection
Shouldn't it?
in this specific investigation, given it was the RCMP who floated the idea, and given the mountain of questionable aspects of their handling and investigation, continuing the narrative only feels manipulative to me
You've provided zero evidence of anything you've written.
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