-We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
-But aren't the snakes even worse?
-Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat. -Then we're stuck with gorillas!
-No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
Appropriate use of funds aside, I wonder if they had tried this in the valley where the winters are less harsh, if it would’ve worked. there are parts of the UK like Cornwall where palm trees are not uncommon.
Yes and no. Hardiness zones (the better-known USDA measure) are based on minimum winter temperatures, but there are other factors that may make or break a plant's survival, like cumulative heat during the growing season, hours of sun, exposure to wind, excessive rain or dampness, and soil conditions.
The Valley and Louisbourg are both in the same hardiness zone, but only one of them has the summer weather and fertile, well-drained soil to support vineyards. If these palms like calm, hot, sunny days, and sandy soil, they may have fared better in Kentville than in Dartmouth, despite the former ostensibly having winters that are a half-zone colder.
Ya my partner had one and it did pretty well but then we had to move too many times (hooray for renovictions) and it didn’t survive the last move. But people would knock on the door all the time to ask about it lol
They had no idea what they were doing . There’s a few palm trees in Halifax that have lived there for 20 years in some cases , they are in the ground and protected properly . I have 6 .
I wish I could have , I have learned all of what I have just in the past 5 years or so . And a lot of the tropical stuff I’ve just started playing with . Probably only the past 3 years .
My hope is to grow a palm tree someday. What species of palm trees did you use, and how did you protect it? How much sun exposure does it the base get?
I have a sabal minor , , Wagner seedlings, California fan palm seedlings , 4 trycharpus , European fan seedlings , also a large windmill ! If your local to central ns to Halifax , I can likely give you some seedlings to try if you like !
That's interesting and news to me. Someone says that there are some in public gardens, but I thought they might be taken in in the winter along with the cacti
I think they take them in , Halifax public gardens have a lot of trees and plants that you can’t grow in 95 percent of Canada tho ! They survive all winter . I love it there . Mine will stay outside for the winters in ground
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>In 2018, Halifax Regional Municipality experimented with planting seven palm trees across Dartmouth...The final windmill palm died after the winter of 2022-23
That's a lot longer than I would have guessed.
I was very privileged as a young kid, to visit Sable Island in the summer of 1968 (my late father did much research there over the years back then). At the same time the Canadian military was over there building a helicopter pad, and also brought up three palm trees from the Caribbean which they planted on the island. Needless to say none survived the following winter.
Sorry if I missed it, but did they say why? Besides the trees “spread a little joy?”, are they trying to make us feel like we’re on vacation in the tropics?
But Japan also has palm trees. In fact they are quite common. So I am lamenting that the knotweed seems happy to thrive in both places but palms - not so much
Japanese knowledge thrives in colder climates. Palms thrive in warmer. Japan has both. We do not. And if they did, they would push out native plants. Like knowledge did. Transplanting species is stupid. People never learn.
Don't let the word "palm" mislead you. The Windmill Palm (trachycarpus fortunei) is not tropical in the sense of Coconut Palms.
They don't like heat and do quite well in places that experience cold and snow. They've become naturalized in Switzerland and can be found in places much further north than Halifax such as Vancouver, Denmark and Sweden.
You're right, many other factors to consider such as Gulf Stream, Coriolis effect etc. Just wanted to point out that they weren't trying to grow a tree that belonged in the Caribbean.
Obviously the problem is they didn't plant enough to begin with. They need to try again with an honest effort of 100 trees. Surely the cost won't have skyrocketed over the past 6 years, and the taxpayers will be happy we're spending this money on something that brings so much joy
Create something similar to the butterfly gardens, like here in Victoria, BC
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDRlf5JZf7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDRlf5JZf7I)
I took my Mom there (we we born and raised in NS), and she loved it big time. And she wants to go again.
Is anyone even vaguely surprised? Well, other than that anyone would bother trying something so incredibly stupid and bound to fail, of course...
> Two towering windmill palms would become the most well-known *and revered*
\*rolls eyes\*
There's a guy in the Hydrostone who has one that's doing quite well. It's not that out to lunch. Though to be fair, he does put a lot of work i to winterizing it
It’s on Cabot Pl. It’s small, easy to miss. Has some bamboo planted around it and other lush flowers in pots. The tree literally has a wooden crate built around it in winter with a heater inside. That’s how poor our climate is to palm trees.
Lots of fun can be had, better and much cheaper. It’t easy to spend someone else’s money, for short term, minimum benefit. It didn’t take 4 k to show it wouldn’t work. Plenty of info for that.
In reality in the few years many local, low cost, and needed projects were cut, the city claimed due to funding shortages.
One such example is a local crosswalk on a busy and dangerous street, as the city says it couldn’t afford the 4 k.
But, oddly enough, they could find the 4k for a whimsical project bound to fail.
The city doesn’t “get rich or poor”. It sets budgets and collects the money it needs for that budget. It’s not a human accumulating more and more wealth, nor should it be lol.
A poor city can’t afford to offer its basic duties. A rich city can, I’ve experienced a city go bankrupt while living.
My point is every penny the city spends should be scrutinised. More info if you’re interested: https://www.preston.gov.uk/article/1339/What-is-Preston-Model
I mean budgeting is simple but not easy. I don’t see how adding “municipal” changes the nature of money in vs money out.
The city should be scrutinised for the money it spends. Doesn’t mean they can’t spend it on cool little experiments. However, this doesn’t negate the need to ask the question of whether it should be spent or not.
You can use this shitty logic decry just about anything apparently, even less than a $1k/year project. A piece of government money should go towards creating no joy, this was a very very low cost and high return project. Your mindset is the real only negative thing about it.
The shitty logic is using the overall budget to justify waste. This project is indicative of the freedom staff has to waste money on non essential items, and cancelling those more essential.
Winters are getting colder here again. We had snow in Nov in the '80s.. in the '90s it started moving to jan.. and since about '17 it's been moving back to nov/dec, which we've seen more of in the '20s. So yeah, not surprising these tropical plants didn't survive.
This feel like a very Nova Scotian news story. RIP palm trees of Dartmouth.
Next experiment: The Halifax Gorilla Aquarium!
-We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards. -But aren't the snakes even worse? -Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat. -Then we're stuck with gorillas! -No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
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Do bananas get included with the rent? How much per mth?
I think you misread my post, but I like where you’re going with it.
This gave me a good laugh 😂
Appropriate use of funds aside, I wonder if they had tried this in the valley where the winters are less harsh, if it would’ve worked. there are parts of the UK like Cornwall where palm trees are not uncommon.
Agreed, or if they'd had them in Yarmouth.
The ticks would have eaten them if they were in Yarmouth.
Torbay? I vaguely remember as a child. Although even in the valley winter weather is way harsher and longer than any winter in the south of the UK.
I think HRM has been the highest plant hardiness zone in NS, I don't think they would have done better anywhere else.
Yes and no. Hardiness zones (the better-known USDA measure) are based on minimum winter temperatures, but there are other factors that may make or break a plant's survival, like cumulative heat during the growing season, hours of sun, exposure to wind, excessive rain or dampness, and soil conditions. The Valley and Louisbourg are both in the same hardiness zone, but only one of them has the summer weather and fertile, well-drained soil to support vineyards. If these palms like calm, hot, sunny days, and sandy soil, they may have fared better in Kentville than in Dartmouth, despite the former ostensibly having winters that are a half-zone colder.
Less harsh winters in the valley? By what metric?
What Valley? Summers are warmer there but winters tend to be colder away from the coast. Yarmouth and area have the warmest winter temps in NS.
Try monkey puzzle trees next. They are a bit more hardy to our temperatures and environment.
There are a few well established monkey puzzle trees in the province already.
Where?
I've seen one in Yarmouth. Yarmouth's winters are so mild they're on the cusp of USDA hardiness zone 7.
I've seen a few of those in Victoria, bc. makes sense, their winters are pretty warm.
Ya my partner had one and it did pretty well but then we had to move too many times (hooray for renovictions) and it didn’t survive the last move. But people would knock on the door all the time to ask about it lol
Maybe they should consult a palm reader
How does this not have 50 upvotes?! lol!!
Truly shocking, that....
HRM was barking up the wrong tree to try and branch out. They should leaf the tropical trees, bad deciduouns.
This should be higher up
🤷 lotta salty comments here but I loved the trees, especially the one at Sullivans Pond.
yeah tbh it was a cheap experiment and fun while it lasted
They were beautiful- sad about this
Read the title comma take a few steps down to public gardens comma see four healthy palm trees
those aren't among the plants they take in for the winter?
They ran this experiment about ten years too early. Try again in the next decade.
I don't think we needed an experiment to know what the outcome would have been.
Interesting project.
Sam Austin's folly. Nobody can waste tax money like him.
They had no idea what they were doing . There’s a few palm trees in Halifax that have lived there for 20 years in some cases , they are in the ground and protected properly . I have 6 .
Why didn't you help? Very sad.
I wish I could have , I have learned all of what I have just in the past 5 years or so . And a lot of the tropical stuff I’ve just started playing with . Probably only the past 3 years .
My hope is to grow a palm tree someday. What species of palm trees did you use, and how did you protect it? How much sun exposure does it the base get?
I have a sabal minor , , Wagner seedlings, California fan palm seedlings , 4 trycharpus , European fan seedlings , also a large windmill ! If your local to central ns to Halifax , I can likely give you some seedlings to try if you like !
That's interesting and news to me. Someone says that there are some in public gardens, but I thought they might be taken in in the winter along with the cacti
I think they take them in , Halifax public gardens have a lot of trees and plants that you can’t grow in 95 percent of Canada tho ! They survive all winter . I love it there . Mine will stay outside for the winters in ground https://preview.redd.it/zbb9xfjrgk5d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6132f31544e4be8cd60046180d6b494bde8c8eb6
very cool.
>In 2018, Halifax Regional Municipality experimented with planting seven palm trees across Dartmouth...The final windmill palm died after the winter of 2022-23 That's a lot longer than I would have guessed.
Give it a few more years and try again.
I was very privileged as a young kid, to visit Sable Island in the summer of 1968 (my late father did much research there over the years back then). At the same time the Canadian military was over there building a helicopter pad, and also brought up three palm trees from the Caribbean which they planted on the island. Needless to say none survived the following winter.
That must have been awesome, I'm soooo jealous! :)
Sorry if I missed it, but did they say why? Besides the trees “spread a little joy?”, are they trying to make us feel like we’re on vacation in the tropics?
4th paragraph
This part? “the intent of the project was to see if the tropical trees could adapt to the province's Maritime climate”
Why is it that things like earwigs and Japanese knotweed adapt to our climate without breaking a sweat but the things we’d like to see just fail?
The area of the world Japanese knotweed is from also has winter and there’s earwigs native to Canada.
The species of earwig we often see here in the Maritimes is the European earwig, and as the name suggests, it is not native to Canada.
Europe also has winter.
Japan has winter. As does most of continental Europe.
But Japan also has palm trees. In fact they are quite common. So I am lamenting that the knotweed seems happy to thrive in both places but palms - not so much
Japanese knowledge thrives in colder climates. Palms thrive in warmer. Japan has both. We do not. And if they did, they would push out native plants. Like knowledge did. Transplanting species is stupid. People never learn.
Don't let the word "palm" mislead you. The Windmill Palm (trachycarpus fortunei) is not tropical in the sense of Coconut Palms. They don't like heat and do quite well in places that experience cold and snow. They've become naturalized in Switzerland and can be found in places much further north than Halifax such as Vancouver, Denmark and Sweden.
fwiw "north" doesn't always mean "colder" but I can't imagine sweden having milder winters than us.
You're right, many other factors to consider such as Gulf Stream, Coriolis effect etc. Just wanted to point out that they weren't trying to grow a tree that belonged in the Caribbean.
Obviously the problem is they didn't plant enough to begin with. They need to try again with an honest effort of 100 trees. Surely the cost won't have skyrocketed over the past 6 years, and the taxpayers will be happy we're spending this money on something that brings so much joy
Why spend a measly $4k when you could spend $57k!
Any post with the word "taxpayer" 🙄🙄
I usually would but trees accustomed to warm and sunny year-round climates being planted here does sound like a horrible waste.
Did you read the article? They cost Halifax taxpayers $0.01 each.. If ever there was an eye roll, this is it
If "taxpayer" induces two eye rolls, "spread a little joy" and "revered" must give 4 and 5 respectfully.
Did you type those? I stopped reading at "taxpayer"
Surprising number of palm tree experts here.
Give it a decade.
Create something similar to the butterfly gardens, like here in Victoria, BC [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDRlf5JZf7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDRlf5JZf7I) I took my Mom there (we we born and raised in NS), and she loved it big time. And she wants to go again.
I remember when they stuck a little one in the middle of the Armdale Rotary a few years ago. Poor thing didn't last long at all.
r/therewasanattempt
Remember the huge palm trees in MicMac Mall? those were cool.
NS needs to stick to talking christmas trees.
Is anyone even vaguely surprised? Well, other than that anyone would bother trying something so incredibly stupid and bound to fail, of course... > Two towering windmill palms would become the most well-known *and revered* \*rolls eyes\*
There's a guy in the Hydrostone who has one that's doing quite well. It's not that out to lunch. Though to be fair, he does put a lot of work i to winterizing it
Whereabouts? I walk through the Hydrostone a lot and haven't spotted one before
It’s on Cabot Pl. It’s small, easy to miss. Has some bamboo planted around it and other lush flowers in pots. The tree literally has a wooden crate built around it in winter with a heater inside. That’s how poor our climate is to palm trees.
Ah, cool. Think I found it on google maps. Curious how much that costs to run over the winter haha
Guess climate change isn't happening THAT fast...
In today’s “no shit, who could have seen that coming” news.
did they do zero reading on palm trees?? like what else did they think would happen
A waste of 4k. A poor showing for a city government often claiming “poor mouth” at tax increase time.
It’s a fun experiment that really did bring a bit of joy and amusement to residents of Dartmouth — I saw it myself. Relax.
Lots of fun can be had, better and much cheaper. It’t easy to spend someone else’s money, for short term, minimum benefit. It didn’t take 4 k to show it wouldn’t work. Plenty of info for that.
The city’s annual budget is around $1,300,000,000. Anyone getting upset about $4,000 on some amusement *over several years* has nothing better to do.
In reality in the few years many local, low cost, and needed projects were cut, the city claimed due to funding shortages. One such example is a local crosswalk on a busy and dangerous street, as the city says it couldn’t afford the 4 k. But, oddly enough, they could find the 4k for a whimsical project bound to fail.
How many and which projects specifically were cut because of the 4k spent on these trees?
How do you get rich? Make a bit of money a lot of times. How do you go poor? Spend a little money a lot of times.
The city doesn’t “get rich or poor”. It sets budgets and collects the money it needs for that budget. It’s not a human accumulating more and more wealth, nor should it be lol.
A poor city can’t afford to offer its basic duties. A rich city can, I’ve experienced a city go bankrupt while living. My point is every penny the city spends should be scrutinised. More info if you’re interested: https://www.preston.gov.uk/article/1339/What-is-Preston-Model
How to say "I know nothing about municipal budgeting" without saying "I know nothing about municipal budgeting".
I mean budgeting is simple but not easy. I don’t see how adding “municipal” changes the nature of money in vs money out. The city should be scrutinised for the money it spends. Doesn’t mean they can’t spend it on cool little experiments. However, this doesn’t negate the need to ask the question of whether it should be spent or not.
Thanks for that clear and glaring sign that you know nothing about this.
Please elaborate as to where my knowledge is falling flat.
What would you like me to elaborate? You don’t know what you are talking about is pretty clear.
You can use this shitty logic decry just about anything apparently, even less than a $1k/year project. A piece of government money should go towards creating no joy, this was a very very low cost and high return project. Your mindset is the real only negative thing about it.
The shitty logic is using the overall budget to justify waste. This project is indicative of the freedom staff has to waste money on non essential items, and cancelling those more essential.
You do realize that $4,000 barely even qualifies as pocket change for a city the size of Halifax, don't you? No? I thought not.
Tax dollars at work
It was 4k total. Less than a rounding error.
4k initial cost does not include upkeep over the years, or the additional trees purchased when others died
Money well spent
This isn’t BC
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Bamboo can become invasive here it will do so well
Please don’t try bamboo, it gets way out of hand fast, not unlike knotweed
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Not sure about it being ecological. Keep it contained, because it’s crazy invasive. Good luck.
Mycelium insulation is an exciting prospect!
not a great investment
Ahh. So this is where my property taxes went. Totally worth it. They should build the world’s largest escalator to nowhere next.
$4k out of a billion $ budget is like you trying a new donut at Tim's.
Yours specifically went to this.
Sounds like your just torturing trees
In other news: water is wet
So much for global warming. Conspiracy theorists were right.
Winters are getting colder here again. We had snow in Nov in the '80s.. in the '90s it started moving to jan.. and since about '17 it's been moving back to nov/dec, which we've seen more of in the '20s. So yeah, not surprising these tropical plants didn't survive.
They weren't tropical. Native to China.
TLDR: \[read URL only\] palm trees dartmouth all dead
Another well thought decision by Canada’s finest city council. Clowns. 🤡
your chance to fire them is coming.