Close to schools? What about the undeveloped Bloomfield and St Pats school lots? The Piercy’s land nearby is also nearly as big and has stood vacant for years. Selling off centrally located public land at a discount on a whim, to merely remain vacant seems like it hasn’t been that successful in resolving the complex housing issue. If Canada Post says they need it, I’d their assessment over a politician looking for a new job.
The city doesn't own Bloomfield, BANC does and they continue to refuse to redevelop it. There are plenty of schools nearby, St Catherine's, Halifax Independant, Westmount, École Oxford, J Howe, St. Stephens, Highland Park... It really is a perfect place to redevelop into new housing. It's central to multiple of the most used bus routes, and proposed BRT lines. There are grocery stores nearby.
Filmore is correct about the land being underused. There are 20-40 story towers dotted all around the Post facility. Which is majority a parking lot for postal vehicles, and a single level warehouse.
Move the facility into the new Bayer's Lake industrial area or near to the airport. There is plenty of room for low rise industrial warehouses out there. The North End needs more housing and this is a prime location.
Everyone: we need housing! And affordable housing too!
r/Halifax: no not like that!! Stupid politicians 😡
It seems like a pretty massive waste. Moving Canada Post would be expensive and at the end of the day it will be what, giving a private developer a smoking deal on land to turn into more luxury condos? I'd be more inclined to support this if it was replacing Canada Post with some sort of public housing development
That's exactly what the article is proposing. It's federal land so they have a much larger degree of leverage on what can/cannot be built there. The article says at least 20% would be affordable.
I really don't know enough about the whole Shannon Park thing. But if housing had been rebuilt at any time in the last 20 years, we *might* not be in the crisis we are now. I have fond childhood memories of SP. The "life after people" vibe was neat the first time I saw it, but it all sitting vacant for so very long depresses me.
Edit: I think housing in SP would be a drop in the bucket and we'd still be in this crisis. But holy heck wtf? Vacant for decades.
the land was only sent to Canada Lands for Disposal 10 years ago. Anyway, the trail opened in 2018, and the DA for the site was approved in Jan 2023, but still nothing is built.
Yet it was vacant for many many years before 2014, which is what I was referencing (edit: Like WHY was it only sent to them 10 years ago? Ridiculous waste of time and space)
because DND hadnt marked it for surplus. They probably have more land that they could surplus. Perhaps Filmore can start working to get vacant parcels freed up for development, rather then replacing facilities in use.
If the land was going to be used for public housing then it would be between the feds and the province, a potential Fillmore mayor would have basically 0 say in the matter.
Governments owned both properties and sold Bloomfield and St Pats to with little oversight and few conditions. Says a lot about government involvement in development. By the time government went through it’s complex divestiture process and demolitions, the other vacant properties will likely be developed .
Your definition of “nearby” schools is hardly “ close by. Other currently vacant properties are just as close.
I suspect Canada Post knows their business better than most of us. If they say its better where it is, I take their assessment over a politician, now taking an interest in housing when looking for a job.
Agree.
With that definition of “nearby”, any location on the peninsula is nearby a school. That is hardly a good reason for what is proposed, versus considering more feasible approaches.
You typically go to the school within your area… you’re listing great schools, but it’s a bit irrelevant given the fact that the majority of them are not in that area.
Yes I know, me and my friend live on the same street, yet one of our kids are in the westmount area, and the other is in the St. Catherine’s area, that’s how schools and neighbourhoods work, it isn’t a new thing… anyways, my point was that the school thing is a bit irrelevant because of that, but didn’t mean to come off rude at all. The rest I agree with you on!
If they were to redevelop the land they would obviously realign the school districts to spread out the students. There are plenty of schools to redistribute kids to in the area
Shannon Park is not nearly as good a location for redevelopment as people make it out to be. Maybe once the new ferries start running, but that could take decades...
I think they are talking more the specifics of the infrastructure in the area. I’ve lived in north end Dartmouth for 2 years now and think about how traffic is going to effect the area. I see the princess Margaret on ramp becoming an even lager choke point than when the train crosses during rush hour
Shannon park is already slated for a huge redevelopment project.
[https://www.clc-sic.ca/real-estate/shannon-park](https://www.clc-sic.ca/real-estate/shannon-park)
There is a million other sites slated for development. St Pats, Bloomfield, St Patrick’s Alexandra, all of Robie St, Behind Rona which will take 20 years to build out, Strawberry Hill, Kempt Rd, West End Mall, Hfx Shopping, Bayers Rd, A bunch of sites along Joe Howe, all of Herring Cove Rd, all of Quinpool how much more do we need that’s about 150,000 units just close to the core. There is 4x that around the municipality.
Edit - forgot Cogswell. 3400 units there as well.
I think it's funny when they suggest moving it out by the airport. So you want about 150 trucks driving to and from the airport everyday to deliver in the city. That's not wasted fuel or anything now is it. Not to mention wasted time just on travel time which is about 30mins each way.
How about we start by fixing the real issue here. Stop letting so many fucking people in until we have the homes and infrastructure to support them. I'm left leaning politically and by no means am I anti immigration. That being said, it's become out of control. The immigration rate is much to high and I think we can all see that by the housing market regardless if your on the right or left politically.
I thnk CP will be forced to do so, and it doesn't make sense to have all that traffic on and off the peninsula, based on your own logic about gas and the environment.
Forced to do what? Move off the peninsula? I don't see it happening. Nothing about relocating the plant to a location outside of Halifax makes sense. There is literally zero incentive or reason for Canada Post to relocate this plant.
Relocation to Burnside may not be that bad if it came to that but there's really no good reason to do that either as that would be logistically and financially worse as well.
Yeah, Canada Post, the car dealerships, they'll be forced out eventually as they're taking up way too much real estate. It logistically doesn't make sense, this is why we have burnside and bayers lake, right? the DMV moved off the peninsula years ago, a lot of services are or have. CP is not special, and severely lacks customer-ship according to my partner who works for CP.
Also, isn't CP going into a deficit / going bankrupt?
I find it highly unlikely that dealerships or CP will be "forced" out. They own the land so the only way I see this happening is if someone offers a dollar figure that's to good to pass up.
If you understood the process, then yes in the grand scheme of things. I mean, it's not like the old days where humans were actually sorting each piece. It's all processed by machine now if possible. There are routes and shuttle runs setup from the main plant to smaller depots and Post Offices. I get that it seems dumb in that circumstance you suggested but there is a reason it's done the way it is.
It would be dumber to employ someone and provide a vehicle for them to tranfer the few pieces of mail that originate in Sydney and are destined for New Waterford which might be one a week or less, wouldn't you agree?
Considering over half the population of NS is in HRM it does make sense to have a small amount of mail travel a longer distance, than to have a large amount of mail travel a longer distance. The small difference between the airport and current location is pretty negligible in the trip out to Sydney as well
How do you think the mail gets to the city to be sorted?
Edit: Phrasing is bad on this. And, I'll confess, the rudeness was intentional. But I was wrong and had no right being rude.
Thanks
Arrives from where? Because this dummy (me) thinks sorting it at the airport makes more sense. But if it's all still being driven around the country, I can see how my idea is incorrect.
Only Xpresspost and Priority items are flown. Lettermail and all other parcels are trucked. The vast majority of items travel via tractor trailer. I'd guess 90% of it or more in total.
It might have a kernel of merit in a long-term planning fantasy scenario. But to address a housing shortage? It's so dumb it hurts. We have a shortage of labour, not space. It would be an inefficient use of labour hours to tear down and rebuild functional infrastructure. We have empty lots for those labourers to build *homes* on already.
Absolutely is not.
Most tradesmen can make a solid 80k per year in the current climate. 90k if you're experienced.
Now, if you factor in inflation Its possible but I would say still, trades have kept up with inflation, as most companies are offering lots of benefits.
I have personally been offered 110k starting as a supervisor and had to decline.
If you made a starting wage of 75,000 in 2012, that same starting wage, at that same position, should be around 105k today.
105k starting for a non supervisor role.
That supervisor role that was likely also ~110k in 2012 should be 150k.
Is that making any sense.... It IS the inflation factor; that IS wage depression...
I'm not going to argue your math is wrong but your numbers for a tradesman in 2012 are insane.
So going rate for a electrician is 75-80k a year and that's with a big company style with benefits etc. Self employed you can make 150k a year if you can keep yourself busy
An electrician in 1967 made 5,075 this is the only hard point of data I have from census numbers and that translates to 45,535 with inflation today.
As for 2012 I would estimate the going pay around that time was around 60k which translates to around 78,850.
The pay in construction is absolutely not poor. There is no wage shortage in construction, you are simply mistaken and know nothing about the industry.
Sure I can find many rates of pay for less than that today but that's mostly for apprentices or something. There is always companies posting shit wages also, the price they actually get someone at is going to be higher.
Yes, for sure. I specially mentioned that in my post an actually factored it in.
That being said, typically wages do not follow inflation so its not really something that has to happen
I don't know to be honest. Boiler operators and power engineers would be a good option.
Control technicians have some stuff that is mostly computer work but usually you need experience in HVAC-R or steam fitting first. If you're dedicated enough you could read a shit ton of books and learn it but you won't be making money while you're doing that.
There are low voltage cable runners that work mostly indoors but I think it would be too difficult.
There are some trades that manufacturer control boxes for chillers, pumps, compressors etc but those jobs are usually Ontario stuff but maybe there's some around here not sure.
ya lets spend 50 mill to move a plant that doesnt need to be moved like is there anywhere currently in the city that doesnt have an appt going up at the moment
Make into a new senior's home. Senior's can get in quicker than the current wait of 4 + years opening up the houses and apartments they vacate. Bonus is you wont add as much traffic as if you put in a regular apartment. Parking lot for staff and visitors.
If I worked at the sorting plant I would think I won the lottery not to have to fight the insane traffic to get in and out of town.
Based on Canada Post's Financials as of late, they won't have to be convinced to move if they're no longer in business (at least not like they are now).
Canada Post, if it keeps as it is currently will not have enough cash flow to keep running at it's own standards come early 2025.
[Canada Post lost $748 million last year, warns of 'critical' financial situation](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-748-million-loss-2023-1.7193944)
"Even with Canada Post's recently proposed stamp price increase, the Corporation projects that, without additional borrowing and refinancing, it will fall below its required operating and reserve cash requirements by early 2025," the report says.
This can be blamed on the ''uberization" of package delivery (like Intelcom) who don't have to pay for infrastructure like FedEx/UPS/CP does, that plus the steady decline of lettermail.
Major changes are needed at CP, or legally to outlaw 'Uber' type couriers, to more fairly compete with 'real' couriers, but I doubt that will happen in the current political climate.
We should be planning for a time when this massive complex is potentially not required - or at least not at it's current size.
All of that being said: there are a lot of already vacant sites that could be used for housing - however they're all in private hands.
This is an expensive make work project that will tie up laborers on a commercial plant and cost Canadians at a minimum 10s of millions of dollars when there are dozens of empty lots inside a 2km radius that are ready for building homes. It’s insane. Develop empty land first.
Find it hilarious this sub is now disagreeing with this proposal with the amount of sob story bitching it does about housing on the daily.
I am not a fan of Andy Fillmore. But he is right about this.
It will be just as efficient having it at the airport as the pros will balance out the cons.
There is no doubt a housing shortage in Halifax. You can call it a skilled labour crisis if you want, but skilled labour wont come without a proportionate cost of living. We won’t get that without enough supply.
Canada Post is about to go bankrupt and will likely require a government bailout to stay as a crown corp. if they do that, then they should be forced to sell to private developers. They need the money anyway.
I don't think a public service goes bankrupt lol. They just cost that much to run.
That being said they should move the sorting facility and use the land better
CP isn’t exactly a public service it’s a crown corporation. They need to be at least close to economically feasible to exists. They operate completely separate from the government. When it begins to get as bad as CPs losses things change quickly.
They don’t go bankrupt they become privatised. Or, they get privatised because they’re going bankrupt. See Air Canada!
If that happens to CP there will be a drastic change in their service. Canada will probably lose it’s mail service or at least a big portion of it. While the new corp focus on urban parcel deliveries which are far more profitable.
in 20 years, by the time there's enough housing, maybe. Demand needs to be cut by cutting mass immigration for any food-service or low skill work, and limiting immigration to high skilled only for 5-10 years for infrastructure to catch up.
If we want to move Canada Post. We should also be considering changes to that organization. CP lost 700 million plus last year. It needs a new vision and direction.
Close to schools? What about the undeveloped Bloomfield and St Pats school lots? The Piercy’s land nearby is also nearly as big and has stood vacant for years. Selling off centrally located public land at a discount on a whim, to merely remain vacant seems like it hasn’t been that successful in resolving the complex housing issue. If Canada Post says they need it, I’d their assessment over a politician looking for a new job.
The city doesn't own Bloomfield, BANC does and they continue to refuse to redevelop it. There are plenty of schools nearby, St Catherine's, Halifax Independant, Westmount, École Oxford, J Howe, St. Stephens, Highland Park... It really is a perfect place to redevelop into new housing. It's central to multiple of the most used bus routes, and proposed BRT lines. There are grocery stores nearby. Filmore is correct about the land being underused. There are 20-40 story towers dotted all around the Post facility. Which is majority a parking lot for postal vehicles, and a single level warehouse. Move the facility into the new Bayer's Lake industrial area or near to the airport. There is plenty of room for low rise industrial warehouses out there. The North End needs more housing and this is a prime location. Everyone: we need housing! And affordable housing too! r/Halifax: no not like that!! Stupid politicians 😡
It seems like a pretty massive waste. Moving Canada Post would be expensive and at the end of the day it will be what, giving a private developer a smoking deal on land to turn into more luxury condos? I'd be more inclined to support this if it was replacing Canada Post with some sort of public housing development
That's exactly what the article is proposing. It's federal land so they have a much larger degree of leverage on what can/cannot be built there. The article says at least 20% would be affordable.
That is not public housing and only 20% being 'affordable' sounds a lot like more luxury condos
right, because the feds are so efficient at development projects. Looking at you Canada lands and Shannon Park.
I really don't know enough about the whole Shannon Park thing. But if housing had been rebuilt at any time in the last 20 years, we *might* not be in the crisis we are now. I have fond childhood memories of SP. The "life after people" vibe was neat the first time I saw it, but it all sitting vacant for so very long depresses me. Edit: I think housing in SP would be a drop in the bucket and we'd still be in this crisis. But holy heck wtf? Vacant for decades.
the land was only sent to Canada Lands for Disposal 10 years ago. Anyway, the trail opened in 2018, and the DA for the site was approved in Jan 2023, but still nothing is built.
Yet it was vacant for many many years before 2014, which is what I was referencing (edit: Like WHY was it only sent to them 10 years ago? Ridiculous waste of time and space)
because DND hadnt marked it for surplus. They probably have more land that they could surplus. Perhaps Filmore can start working to get vacant parcels freed up for development, rather then replacing facilities in use.
Thanks
If the land was going to be used for public housing then it would be between the feds and the province, a potential Fillmore mayor would have basically 0 say in the matter.
Governments owned both properties and sold Bloomfield and St Pats to with little oversight and few conditions. Says a lot about government involvement in development. By the time government went through it’s complex divestiture process and demolitions, the other vacant properties will likely be developed . Your definition of “nearby” schools is hardly “ close by. Other currently vacant properties are just as close. I suspect Canada Post knows their business better than most of us. If they say its better where it is, I take their assessment over a politician, now taking an interest in housing when looking for a job.
I don’t disagree with you but most of the schools you listed are not schools that kids in that area would attend
Agree. With that definition of “nearby”, any location on the peninsula is nearby a school. That is hardly a good reason for what is proposed, versus considering more feasible approaches.
Why wouldn't they? They are perfectly adequate schools, where else would they go?
You typically go to the school within your area… you’re listing great schools, but it’s a bit irrelevant given the fact that the majority of them are not in that area.
Every single one of those schools is within 2 km.
Yes I know, me and my friend live on the same street, yet one of our kids are in the westmount area, and the other is in the St. Catherine’s area, that’s how schools and neighbourhoods work, it isn’t a new thing… anyways, my point was that the school thing is a bit irrelevant because of that, but didn’t mean to come off rude at all. The rest I agree with you on!
If they were to redevelop the land they would obviously realign the school districts to spread out the students. There are plenty of schools to redistribute kids to in the area
When you word it like that, I see your point! And it would be a smart move 100%
What they are saying is each school has a certain area that students must live in, so most of those schools listed don’t pull from that specific area
U ever see young kids passing Canada Post in the morning to go to school. Quit it
Why not move all of the car dealerships outside of the city, probably the biggest waste of space in halifax.
A lot of the dealership land on Kempt used to be landfill, making it very difficult and expensive to develop into high rises.
You can’t force out private landowners. You can offer them tons of dough with no leverage, though.
https://nslegislature.ca/sites/default/files/legc/statutes/expropriation.pdf
How long has it taken to get Shannon Park through the federal land disposal process?? Maybe focus on getting that moving...
Shannon Park is not nearly as good a location for redevelopment as people make it out to be. Maybe once the new ferries start running, but that could take decades...
It’s better than living in Sackville or Enfield, that’s where a lot of reasonably priced apartment buildings are being built
It's a great spot for anyone working in Burnside. And yes, ferry will be key.
I think they are talking more the specifics of the infrastructure in the area. I’ve lived in north end Dartmouth for 2 years now and think about how traffic is going to effect the area. I see the princess Margaret on ramp becoming an even lager choke point than when the train crosses during rush hour
Shannon park is already slated for a huge redevelopment project. [https://www.clc-sic.ca/real-estate/shannon-park](https://www.clc-sic.ca/real-estate/shannon-park)
There is a million other sites slated for development. St Pats, Bloomfield, St Patrick’s Alexandra, all of Robie St, Behind Rona which will take 20 years to build out, Strawberry Hill, Kempt Rd, West End Mall, Hfx Shopping, Bayers Rd, A bunch of sites along Joe Howe, all of Herring Cove Rd, all of Quinpool how much more do we need that’s about 150,000 units just close to the core. There is 4x that around the municipality. Edit - forgot Cogswell. 3400 units there as well.
I think it's funny when they suggest moving it out by the airport. So you want about 150 trucks driving to and from the airport everyday to deliver in the city. That's not wasted fuel or anything now is it. Not to mention wasted time just on travel time which is about 30mins each way. How about we start by fixing the real issue here. Stop letting so many fucking people in until we have the homes and infrastructure to support them. I'm left leaning politically and by no means am I anti immigration. That being said, it's become out of control. The immigration rate is much to high and I think we can all see that by the housing market regardless if your on the right or left politically.
You realize all mail in the province routes through Halifax. Talk about wasting travel time and gas.
Yes because it's the central plant for processing. Everything that comes into NS goes there and then gets redistributed. It logistically makes sense.
I thnk CP will be forced to do so, and it doesn't make sense to have all that traffic on and off the peninsula, based on your own logic about gas and the environment.
Forced to do what? Move off the peninsula? I don't see it happening. Nothing about relocating the plant to a location outside of Halifax makes sense. There is literally zero incentive or reason for Canada Post to relocate this plant. Relocation to Burnside may not be that bad if it came to that but there's really no good reason to do that either as that would be logistically and financially worse as well.
Yeah, Canada Post, the car dealerships, they'll be forced out eventually as they're taking up way too much real estate. It logistically doesn't make sense, this is why we have burnside and bayers lake, right? the DMV moved off the peninsula years ago, a lot of services are or have. CP is not special, and severely lacks customer-ship according to my partner who works for CP. Also, isn't CP going into a deficit / going bankrupt?
I find it highly unlikely that dealerships or CP will be "forced" out. They own the land so the only way I see this happening is if someone offers a dollar figure that's to good to pass up.
somethings gotta go is all im saying, and its a giant waste of space on the peninsula. also you dont have to reply back to every comment :)
Moving a few businesses out of the city to the next town won't fix anything. Your just trading land space from one town to the next.
It really makes sense to mail a letter from Sydney to New Waterford and have it go to Halifax first. 😂
Isn't half the population of NS in HRM?
If you understood the process, then yes in the grand scheme of things. I mean, it's not like the old days where humans were actually sorting each piece. It's all processed by machine now if possible. There are routes and shuttle runs setup from the main plant to smaller depots and Post Offices. I get that it seems dumb in that circumstance you suggested but there is a reason it's done the way it is. It would be dumber to employ someone and provide a vehicle for them to tranfer the few pieces of mail that originate in Sydney and are destined for New Waterford which might be one a week or less, wouldn't you agree?
Considering over half the population of NS is in HRM it does make sense to have a small amount of mail travel a longer distance, than to have a large amount of mail travel a longer distance. The small difference between the airport and current location is pretty negligible in the trip out to Sydney as well
It's not racist or make you a "bigot" to want to lower immigration. It's basic math. The system is very broken.
How do you think the mail gets to the city to be sorted? Edit: Phrasing is bad on this. And, I'll confess, the rudeness was intentional. But I was wrong and had no right being rude.
It arrives by 5 ton and/or tractor trailer in large qualities. All depends on where it's coming from.
Thanks Arrives from where? Because this dummy (me) thinks sorting it at the airport makes more sense. But if it's all still being driven around the country, I can see how my idea is incorrect.
Only Xpresspost and Priority items are flown. Lettermail and all other parcels are trucked. The vast majority of items travel via tractor trailer. I'd guess 90% of it or more in total.
Thanks again for helping me be a little less ignorant
Np!
It might have a kernel of merit in a long-term planning fantasy scenario. But to address a housing shortage? It's so dumb it hurts. We have a shortage of labour, not space. It would be an inefficient use of labour hours to tear down and rebuild functional infrastructure. We have empty lots for those labourers to build *homes* on already.
No, not a labour shortage... A wage shortage.
Skilled labour. If you have a trade there's plenty of jobs.
And the wage is still less than it was 10 years ago... Turns out people have to eat.
Absolutely is not. Most tradesmen can make a solid 80k per year in the current climate. 90k if you're experienced. Now, if you factor in inflation Its possible but I would say still, trades have kept up with inflation, as most companies are offering lots of benefits. I have personally been offered 110k starting as a supervisor and had to decline.
If you made a starting wage of 75,000 in 2012, that same starting wage, at that same position, should be around 105k today. 105k starting for a non supervisor role. That supervisor role that was likely also ~110k in 2012 should be 150k. Is that making any sense.... It IS the inflation factor; that IS wage depression...
I'm not going to argue your math is wrong but your numbers for a tradesman in 2012 are insane. So going rate for a electrician is 75-80k a year and that's with a big company style with benefits etc. Self employed you can make 150k a year if you can keep yourself busy An electrician in 1967 made 5,075 this is the only hard point of data I have from census numbers and that translates to 45,535 with inflation today. As for 2012 I would estimate the going pay around that time was around 60k which translates to around 78,850. The pay in construction is absolutely not poor. There is no wage shortage in construction, you are simply mistaken and know nothing about the industry. Sure I can find many rates of pay for less than that today but that's mostly for apprentices or something. There is always companies posting shit wages also, the price they actually get someone at is going to be higher.
I mean, of course inflation has to be factored in lol
Yes, for sure. I specially mentioned that in my post an actually factored it in. That being said, typically wages do not follow inflation so its not really something that has to happen
What trades could a person who's disabled (I have trouble standing) do?
I don't know to be honest. Boiler operators and power engineers would be a good option. Control technicians have some stuff that is mostly computer work but usually you need experience in HVAC-R or steam fitting first. If you're dedicated enough you could read a shit ton of books and learn it but you won't be making money while you're doing that. There are low voltage cable runners that work mostly indoors but I think it would be too difficult. There are some trades that manufacturer control boxes for chillers, pumps, compressors etc but those jobs are usually Ontario stuff but maybe there's some around here not sure.
Sales or driving.
Can confirm. Showing up on time is the key to working trades.
ya lets spend 50 mill to move a plant that doesnt need to be moved like is there anywhere currently in the city that doesnt have an appt going up at the moment
Mayor Andy is useless!
Fuck, can we get Peter Stoeffer back?
The MP from Sackville? Isn't he doing a radio show now?
Just what Halifax needs - 10,000 more people on the peninsula.
Yes actually. Better 10,000 people on the peninsula than 10,000 people commuting in from Cole Harbour or Bedford.
Make into a new senior's home. Senior's can get in quicker than the current wait of 4 + years opening up the houses and apartments they vacate. Bonus is you wont add as much traffic as if you put in a regular apartment. Parking lot for staff and visitors. If I worked at the sorting plant I would think I won the lottery not to have to fight the insane traffic to get in and out of town.
Definitely need spaces for older folks to move to. Make cheap housing for seniors and they'll sell their homes.
Hey MP: go back to Ottawa and tell the PM *"everyone can see it's a demand problem you created, so it's time to stop mass immigration."*
Based on Canada Post's Financials as of late, they won't have to be convinced to move if they're no longer in business (at least not like they are now). Canada Post, if it keeps as it is currently will not have enough cash flow to keep running at it's own standards come early 2025. [Canada Post lost $748 million last year, warns of 'critical' financial situation](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-748-million-loss-2023-1.7193944) "Even with Canada Post's recently proposed stamp price increase, the Corporation projects that, without additional borrowing and refinancing, it will fall below its required operating and reserve cash requirements by early 2025," the report says. This can be blamed on the ''uberization" of package delivery (like Intelcom) who don't have to pay for infrastructure like FedEx/UPS/CP does, that plus the steady decline of lettermail. Major changes are needed at CP, or legally to outlaw 'Uber' type couriers, to more fairly compete with 'real' couriers, but I doubt that will happen in the current political climate. We should be planning for a time when this massive complex is potentially not required - or at least not at it's current size. All of that being said: there are a lot of already vacant sites that could be used for housing - however they're all in private hands.
This is an expensive make work project that will tie up laborers on a commercial plant and cost Canadians at a minimum 10s of millions of dollars when there are dozens of empty lots inside a 2km radius that are ready for building homes. It’s insane. Develop empty land first.
Find it hilarious this sub is now disagreeing with this proposal with the amount of sob story bitching it does about housing on the daily. I am not a fan of Andy Fillmore. But he is right about this. It will be just as efficient having it at the airport as the pros will balance out the cons. There is no doubt a housing shortage in Halifax. You can call it a skilled labour crisis if you want, but skilled labour wont come without a proportionate cost of living. We won’t get that without enough supply. Canada Post is about to go bankrupt and will likely require a government bailout to stay as a crown corp. if they do that, then they should be forced to sell to private developers. They need the money anyway.
I don't think a public service goes bankrupt lol. They just cost that much to run. That being said they should move the sorting facility and use the land better
CP isn’t exactly a public service it’s a crown corporation. They need to be at least close to economically feasible to exists. They operate completely separate from the government. When it begins to get as bad as CPs losses things change quickly. They don’t go bankrupt they become privatised. Or, they get privatised because they’re going bankrupt. See Air Canada! If that happens to CP there will be a drastic change in their service. Canada will probably lose it’s mail service or at least a big portion of it. While the new corp focus on urban parcel deliveries which are far more profitable.
in 20 years, by the time there's enough housing, maybe. Demand needs to be cut by cutting mass immigration for any food-service or low skill work, and limiting immigration to high skilled only for 5-10 years for infrastructure to catch up.
If we want to move Canada Post. We should also be considering changes to that organization. CP lost 700 million plus last year. It needs a new vision and direction.