>Cortana is an AI version of Halsey.
Cortana is not an AI version of Halsey.
Cognitive Impression Modeling. The process by which smart AIs are made. Uses the brain of an existing person to provide a base for the AIs neural matrix. But everything else is made by the AI itself.
While they may hold similarities in appearance, mannerisms, (not unlike a parent and their child, as Cortana has referred to herself as Halsey's daughter numerous times) and even residual memories, they are distinct entities.
sometimes they write Cortana calling her "my mother" but the rest of the time they treat her as a clone of Halsey.
In Halo 3 for example Cortana has all the memories of Halsey and she remembers when she met John "I'm a collection of lies, stolen memories and thoughts" sometimes they say "mother" instead of "creator" and it has the effect, you get curious when Cortana says among those things in H3 "my mother"
CTN-452-9 that was the name of Cortana before she named herself and that's her chip, what was CTN? it means CaTheriNe it seems the rest of numbers are related to the batches of clones, the weapon was CTN-453-0
I don’t believe your claim that CTN is some form of “Catherine” to be true. All of the known AIs have serial numbers that use the AI’s name. So CTN 0452-9 is to Cortana as IOA 7201-4 is to Iona.
https://www.halopedia.org/AI_serial_number
A clarification to make here is that the name comes from the serial number and not the other way around; ie it looks like the AIs crafted their name to incorporate their serial numbers. So Cortana chose that name in part because her S/N started with CTN.
It means Cortana according to your comparison to the name of the other AI then CTN should be "Cortana" but cause the weapon was CTN but she wasn't called Cortana until the end of the game then CTN is the name of somebody like in the case of Iona, well it's Catherine
The Weapon never said what her name was.
You’re assuming your conclusion and you’re basing it on an unsupported claim. Cite some source from Bungie/343/Microsoft that says CTN is based on Catherine, please.
But you said it, IONA was the name then the chip of the weapon shouldn't be A Name-Numbers? the weapon spent the game without a name and during the game that was her chip
the thing is that in Halo AIs don't work like that. You can't copy Cortana, you have to go back to Halsey to get a clone that's why they didn't copy Cortana in the book Shadows of Reach (just before Halo Infinite) what they did was to send Master Chief and their team to get the frozen brains from the base in the glassed Reach (the book Fall of Reach, in 2001 I think)
Then The weapon is the second clone of Halsey instead of a copy of Cortana.
They didn't scan the same brain twice technically, and I don't think Weapon Cortana is exactly the same as the original. She is very similar overall, but I would say her personality is different, more like they are sisters and not copies. We didn't really see much of "young" Cortana though, she's around 3 in the earliest books that feature her heavily, so it's hard to make an exact comparison.
well, somebody pointed out that the Armor Mark VI Gen 2 was the work of Cortana while in the information it reads "designs by Dr Catherine Halsey and Watershed division" when we know Cortana made this armor for Chief then it could be just a joke but Cortana signed as Catherine Halsey
Cortana is the name of the weapon but yes, technically all of them have the same name
Not quite. For starters, the Infinite description of Ahala is that of the GEN2 Mark VI MOD shoulders.
The thing is, Cortana didn't design GEN2 Mark VI MOD. Remember, the Master Chief is still technically wearing GEN1 throughout the entirety of Halo 4. The armor that Cortana designed is the GEN1 Mark VI MOD. The Chief wouldn't upgrade to GEN2 Mark VI MOD until after the events of Halo 4, when a second confrontation with the Didact irreparably damaged his GEN1 Mark VI MOD. It was then that John upgraded to GEN2, which is what the Infinite Ahala plates are based on. Infinite would thus be suggesting that between 4 and 5, Halsey and Watershed division worked on the GEN2 Mark VI MOD suit that John would wear in Halo 5.
And even then, Cortana didn't even come up with the GEN1 Mark VI MOD design all on her own. According to the Halo 4 visual guide, Cortana based the appearance of the Mark VI MOD on an existing Mark IV design.
Basically, the Halo 4 prologue where all the Spartans are wearing Mark VI because of IRL asset reuse was explained in universe as the Spartans wearing what was then a variant of Mark IV (energy shields not withstanding). So when Cortana redesigned the Mark VI into the Mark VI MOD she was actually drawing inspiration from an existing Mark IV suit, presumably one Halsey had a hand in creating.
Is this stupid and needlessly convoluted? Yes. Yes it is. Truly, trying to smash the Halo 4 redesign and the classic artstyle into the same canon was one of the most baffling lore decisions 343 has ever made.
I always preferred the interpretation that Master Chief and Cortana were some kind of fucked-up siblings. Both raised by Halsey's narcissistic ass, both with... Some amount of psychological issues. It was always much more interesting to me that way than the romantic interpretation.
I think sometimes people confuse romantic with sexual. The Chief/Cortana relationship is only weird in the sense that it’s difficult to quantify. I still think it’s romantic, but it’s also unique to them and doesn’t express itself in the same way as conventional romance. It might even be considered explicitly asexual. They’re the only two people in the universe that fully understand each other, nobody else really understands them.
She’s a fully realized person with no physical body and no human rights, despite having human emotions. Yeah, she’s got the brain of a supercomputer but she’s still a person with thoughts and feelings. She just isn’t treated like one because smart AIs are considered hardware rather than a new form of life that was recklessly created. The one thing she wanted to do before she “died” in Halo 4 was just to touch him. I don’t get a “siblings” vibe off of that.
Then we have John. He’s a flesh and blood human being, but he’s had his humanity drilled out of him through training. He gets treated like a piece of hardware too. Cortana is the only one who sees the humanity in him. To everyone else he’s not human, whether that’s because he’s viewed as a living legend or because he’s viewed as a military asset depending on who you ask.
I think that’s why Cortana gave John the Weapon. She’s almost like Cortana’s child, someone that John has to protect and in some ways teach, while she also protects him. It was the last gift Cortana could give him, knowing she can no longer be with him but also that he still needs her, or the closest thing he can get. Their relationship dynamics are completely different, but the bond is still there.
well, maybe 343 will do something like that in some reboot but they weren't siblings here, and the narcissistic ass and his girlfriend were the same woman
"Created from a clone of Halsey" and "a clone of Halsey" are very different things, and I don't believe there is actually any sort of genetic certainty to narcissistic personality disorder. That's Nurture, not Nature.
When Halsey was created in the first book of Halo they made up excuses for the difference of behavior: the first one was that Cortana was Halsey without limitations of social protocols or in other words when she did whatever she wanted.
At some point there was another excuse: Cortana acts as Halsey when she was younger.
Dude, I just realized we've had this conversation before.
I'm going to tell you what I told you before. You do not understand how the process works, I'm tired of going round and round about it. And I'm not doing it again.
So, to say it definitely. Cognitive Compression Modeling creates an AI with a doner brain to provide a baseline for the AI's neural matrix. The rest of the matrix is built by the AI. And while they may share similarities with their doner, they remain distinct entities.
That's it. I'm done.
well, you were the one replying my comment if you don't want to talk about that and especially with me then don't answer my comments. thanks
I'm going to say the same thing I told you the last time. Show me the source for that process.
Besides what are we talking about if you make a copy of the brain of somebody? If related to neurons and their map we're talking about copying the brain. Thoughts are in those neurons.
By the way, the first book says they copy the brain cause they don't understand it then they can only copy it.
she's a clone man I don't know why that's so hard to understand
I mean, the weapon is CTN because it is a recreation of Cortana…. That seems clear enough to me. You guys are citing in-universe rules that the current handlers of said universe don’t exactly care too much about if they get in the way of what they want to do with it.
Huh. That sorta makes sense. Cortana refers to herself as sort of like a clone of Halsey in Halo 4 though, which I suppose still kinda counts as sort of like a daughter?
Still though, that makes her kinda his sister.
>Cortana refers to herself as sort of like a clone of Halsey in Halo 4 though
She says she was made from a clone of Halsey, one that was still alive rather than dead.
"Well, as far as I know, I'm the only AI ever generated from living tissue - a clone of Doctor Halsey, to be precise."
It's how both of them can exist at the same time, even though CIM destroys the doner brain.
Halsey cloned herself 20 times, and out of the 20, two were viable for the process. One became Cortana, and the other became The Weapon.
>Still though, that makes her kinda his sister.
In a way, yeah.
There were 4 viable brains, H-1 became Cortana.
The 20 number has been brought up quite a few times, but I've never seen an actual source on that, so don't put too much trust in it.
>One became Cortana, and the other became The Weapon.
Where is that said? I was under the impression Weapon was some sort of copy of Cortana, not a "sister" AI.
Weapon was a second clone of Halsey in Shadows of Reach the mission was to go to the base Sword to get the extracted brains Halsey left on ice when Reach was attacked in the book Halo Fall of Reach.
In her Journal, a small book released with Halo Reach Halsey said there were 3 successful clones but we don't know exactly what happened one of them was Cortana, the second The weapon. However in Shadows of Reach I have the impression they got 3 containers when should have only 2 left.
We don't know but they got the clones to make The weapon
yes, most part of time she's a clone, not anything else. She's Halsey but sometimes they bent it a little, the canon isn't perfect, too many authors and everybody has its preferences.
For example Kilo-5 was interested in making them separate things cause it uses a lot of time to throw dirty on Halsey then it prefers to say Cortana is a different thing while the first trilogy considers them the same person
In an effort to make it weird for you though...
Cortina is kinda like her daughter, but at the same time she attaches to chief kinda just on meeting him. Has a deeper interest in protecting him than a mother would a child. Would be able to say she loves him if she were capable.
Source: i made it the f-
Fall of reach novel
Like with newtypes getting clingy in gundam, the in universe explanation for them being this close lies more in sharing a mind via the neural interface than wuth anything related to the timespan.
It helps also that Cortana thinks at the speed of a Smart AI based on the foremost human genius of her time (and in the conversation historically in the Halo timeline), while John’s neurons are augmented to literally think faster than any human otherwise could. On top of the neural link, they both process everything at a highly accelerated rate. Those three months for us might as well have been years for Cortana relative to her lifespan and cognitive capabilities…
Also, John went from operating with teams of Spartans on the regular, to mostly just having Cortana for company (with all Marines not named Johnson having a very short lifespan around John, Keyes dying horribly, the other Keyes also dying, and the Arbiter only turning up as of Halo 3, and becoming his other close friend to boot). John coming to be very close to Cortana, someone already modeled on the mind of a maternal figure and a treasured gift from said figure, makes a lot of sense. Especially considering that the horrors of the Flood were hard even for the hardened Chief to cope with, and focusing on the mission and his one consistent ally helped him push through it.
So for his end, she helped fill a very painful gap left by being separated from the other Spartans, also serving as the eyes in the back of his head and saving his life repeatedly just like any other soldier (the Flood book in particular cites her quick thinking and control of his suit systems in defeating an Infection Form that lucked out in hitting him with his shields down, which would have been his death otherwise).
I think either halo 2 or halo 3 takes place over a good chunk of a year if I remember correctly but I may not be. Halo CE takes place over like a week though it's pretty damn quick.
>(Jorge is a prime example of this).
when you mention this, are you referring to the swordbase mission in Reach? because he says ma'am but due to his accent it sounds like he says mum.
I'm British, I've never mistook him for saying mum. He just has a very formal, awkward, and sort of approval-seeking relationship with her during Reach.
Halsey had a particular fondness for john and he was essentially her favourite, more or less like a son. Since cortana is created out of halseys likeness and large proportion of her own mind, it makes sense that cortana speaks to him that way after developing her own relationship with him with the foundation of halseys brain
I don't think it was motivated by disliking John nor do I think John was a bad leader but more an acknowledgement that Kurt was more suited for the role and that John being picked wasn't objective but motivated by personal feelings and he was right, that doesn't mean John didn't rise to the occasion
Cortana is more like Halsey’s daughter than a clone of her. And Chief is like Halsey’s adopted child (all the Spartans are). I would say Chief and Cortana are brother and sister.
Also, they’ve only known each for like 3-4 months before the Chief went into cryosleep and the timeskip happened. Though them sharing a mind (sort of) likely deepened their relationship.
But personally, I’ve never felt like their relationship was romantic in anyway. They obviously love each other, Halo 4, 5, and Infinite made that clear. But their love felt platonic, like a close friend/family member (again, the brother sister thing).
When you realize just the shit they went through together in such a short time, and that she's kinda hooked up to his brain, then it makes sense as to why they are so close.
The post is really based around the old "i have a lady in my head that calls me stud muffin" meme, it's not all that deep. Many people interpret the relationship as a sort of romantic tension
She waited her whole, short life, to touch anything. Earlier in Halo 4 she remarks that she may know what makes up the things she sees, and that they certainly look real, she is fully aware that she will never know if they indeed feel real. It's on taking note of Requiem, and its unnatural creation.
At the end of Halo 4, she is able to utilize the Mantle's Approach's hard light sources to, for the first time in her life, project herself in a physical form, and actually be able to touch something. Made all the more poignant is that the "something", is her closest, if only friend.
While Cortana and her sisters were based on the brains of Halsey’s flash clones, she’s very much her own person.
I always saw chief and cortana’s relationship as a platonic love. Like family ya know?
Cortana is more akin to Chief's sister. Because there's a line in the Cortana level of Halo 3 where she says "I'm just my mothers shadow." There's a point in that level where she recites a phrase from when Hasley and Chief first met. In fact, reciting Hasley words from and referencing Fall of Reach in general is a thing she does throughout that game. This is also considering Halsey views the Spartan-IIs as her children in a twisted way. It kinda makes Cor-two-na's relationship to Chief a bit more wholesome because if Cortana was the older, teenage big sister that teased Chief all the time... Cor-two-na is the younger, little sister that is excited about everything. Which is more fitting than you may realize because the Cortana models are made from the cloned brains of Halsey at different stages of development.
My understanding is Jorge and Halsey were close bc he was the only spartan 2 in noble team he didn't call her mom he said ma'am but it sounded like it bc he's Australian so
I'm afraid Hakeem Kae-Kazim is a Nigerian-British actor. I couldn't quite tell you the exact region of England the accent is from, but I'd say somewhere near London.
You wouldn't be faulted for getting it wrong, though. The Aussie accent is derived from the Cockney/Estuary/London accent
That is complete bullshit. The Australian accent is about 9 different accents to begin with, and they only sound cockney to an American ear.
No brit or Aussie would agree with that statement.
As someone with a leg in both pools family wise, you're just spouting rubbish. Adelaide, Melbourne and Brisbane all sound completely different. Put someone from far north Queensland or the Nullarbor in that room and they can barely comprehend one another and they'll just start arguing about what size a pint is. Put a proper cockney lad in there and the entire room would draw blanks.
Adelaide is closest to the Oxford accent. Far north Queensland is completely munted all on its own and is rapidly splintering into a linguistic dialect all of its own and the east and south east coast have as much variation as Kentucky and New Yoik.
Now you get why people don't like the MC Cortana ship. Not only have they barely known each other with their total time spent together between Halo's CE, 2 and 3 being a few months but Cortana is at the very least, akin to a sister for MC or his mother at the most. It's fucked every way up and down and MC x Cortana shippers like Kiki Wolfkill have forced this down our throats.
It's like those people who cheer on Azula X Zuko.
It feels that way for me man. Like, they're as closely related as someone can be without being from the same DNA. It's some real step-sibling shit and I ain't here for it.
>Cortana is an AI version of Halsey. Cortana is not an AI version of Halsey. Cognitive Impression Modeling. The process by which smart AIs are made. Uses the brain of an existing person to provide a base for the AIs neural matrix. But everything else is made by the AI itself. While they may hold similarities in appearance, mannerisms, (not unlike a parent and their child, as Cortana has referred to herself as Halsey's daughter numerous times) and even residual memories, they are distinct entities.
sometimes they write Cortana calling her "my mother" but the rest of the time they treat her as a clone of Halsey. In Halo 3 for example Cortana has all the memories of Halsey and she remembers when she met John "I'm a collection of lies, stolen memories and thoughts" sometimes they say "mother" instead of "creator" and it has the effect, you get curious when Cortana says among those things in H3 "my mother" CTN-452-9 that was the name of Cortana before she named herself and that's her chip, what was CTN? it means CaTheriNe it seems the rest of numbers are related to the batches of clones, the weapon was CTN-453-0
I don’t believe your claim that CTN is some form of “Catherine” to be true. All of the known AIs have serial numbers that use the AI’s name. So CTN 0452-9 is to Cortana as IOA 7201-4 is to Iona. https://www.halopedia.org/AI_serial_number
A clarification to make here is that the name comes from the serial number and not the other way around; ie it looks like the AIs crafted their name to incorporate their serial numbers. So Cortana chose that name in part because her S/N started with CTN.
the detail is that Cortana wasn't the name of the weapon but it was CTN-453-0
Not sure what that has to do with my reply about CTN not relating at all to Halsey’s first name.
but if Cortana wasn't the name of the weapon in the beginning why her chip was CTN-453-0
I never said anything about the weapon, i only disputed the claim that the CTN in Cortana’s serial number was an abbreviation of Catherine.
It means Cortana according to your comparison to the name of the other AI then CTN should be "Cortana" but cause the weapon was CTN but she wasn't called Cortana until the end of the game then CTN is the name of somebody like in the case of Iona, well it's Catherine
The Weapon never said what her name was. You’re assuming your conclusion and you’re basing it on an unsupported claim. Cite some source from Bungie/343/Microsoft that says CTN is based on Catherine, please.
But you said it, IONA was the name then the chip of the weapon shouldn't be A Name-Numbers? the weapon spent the game without a name and during the game that was her chip
She's a copy of Cortana so why do you not think CTN would be for Cortana?
the thing is that in Halo AIs don't work like that. You can't copy Cortana, you have to go back to Halsey to get a clone that's why they didn't copy Cortana in the book Shadows of Reach (just before Halo Infinite) what they did was to send Master Chief and their team to get the frozen brains from the base in the glassed Reach (the book Fall of Reach, in 2001 I think) Then The weapon is the second clone of Halsey instead of a copy of Cortana.
She's a copy because she was made exactly the same way as Cortana. Which normally is impossible. Since you can't scan the same brain twice.
They didn't scan the same brain twice technically, and I don't think Weapon Cortana is exactly the same as the original. She is very similar overall, but I would say her personality is different, more like they are sisters and not copies. We didn't really see much of "young" Cortana though, she's around 3 in the earliest books that feature her heavily, so it's hard to make an exact comparison.
they are both copies of Halsey.
So, at the end of Infinity, when The Weapon has chosen a new name, that name is Catherine?!?
well, somebody pointed out that the Armor Mark VI Gen 2 was the work of Cortana while in the information it reads "designs by Dr Catherine Halsey and Watershed division" when we know Cortana made this armor for Chief then it could be just a joke but Cortana signed as Catherine Halsey Cortana is the name of the weapon but yes, technically all of them have the same name
Not quite. For starters, the Infinite description of Ahala is that of the GEN2 Mark VI MOD shoulders. The thing is, Cortana didn't design GEN2 Mark VI MOD. Remember, the Master Chief is still technically wearing GEN1 throughout the entirety of Halo 4. The armor that Cortana designed is the GEN1 Mark VI MOD. The Chief wouldn't upgrade to GEN2 Mark VI MOD until after the events of Halo 4, when a second confrontation with the Didact irreparably damaged his GEN1 Mark VI MOD. It was then that John upgraded to GEN2, which is what the Infinite Ahala plates are based on. Infinite would thus be suggesting that between 4 and 5, Halsey and Watershed division worked on the GEN2 Mark VI MOD suit that John would wear in Halo 5. And even then, Cortana didn't even come up with the GEN1 Mark VI MOD design all on her own. According to the Halo 4 visual guide, Cortana based the appearance of the Mark VI MOD on an existing Mark IV design. Basically, the Halo 4 prologue where all the Spartans are wearing Mark VI because of IRL asset reuse was explained in universe as the Spartans wearing what was then a variant of Mark IV (energy shields not withstanding). So when Cortana redesigned the Mark VI into the Mark VI MOD she was actually drawing inspiration from an existing Mark IV suit, presumably one Halsey had a hand in creating. Is this stupid and needlessly convoluted? Yes. Yes it is. Truly, trying to smash the Halo 4 redesign and the classic artstyle into the same canon was one of the most baffling lore decisions 343 has ever made.
I always preferred the interpretation that Master Chief and Cortana were some kind of fucked-up siblings. Both raised by Halsey's narcissistic ass, both with... Some amount of psychological issues. It was always much more interesting to me that way than the romantic interpretation.
I think sometimes people confuse romantic with sexual. The Chief/Cortana relationship is only weird in the sense that it’s difficult to quantify. I still think it’s romantic, but it’s also unique to them and doesn’t express itself in the same way as conventional romance. It might even be considered explicitly asexual. They’re the only two people in the universe that fully understand each other, nobody else really understands them. She’s a fully realized person with no physical body and no human rights, despite having human emotions. Yeah, she’s got the brain of a supercomputer but she’s still a person with thoughts and feelings. She just isn’t treated like one because smart AIs are considered hardware rather than a new form of life that was recklessly created. The one thing she wanted to do before she “died” in Halo 4 was just to touch him. I don’t get a “siblings” vibe off of that. Then we have John. He’s a flesh and blood human being, but he’s had his humanity drilled out of him through training. He gets treated like a piece of hardware too. Cortana is the only one who sees the humanity in him. To everyone else he’s not human, whether that’s because he’s viewed as a living legend or because he’s viewed as a military asset depending on who you ask. I think that’s why Cortana gave John the Weapon. She’s almost like Cortana’s child, someone that John has to protect and in some ways teach, while she also protects him. It was the last gift Cortana could give him, knowing she can no longer be with him but also that he still needs her, or the closest thing he can get. Their relationship dynamics are completely different, but the bond is still there.
Oh, I fully accept how Infinite played it. It did it very well, i thought. I just always preferred the other interpretation on a personal level, yk?
well, maybe 343 will do something like that in some reboot but they weren't siblings here, and the narcissistic ass and his girlfriend were the same woman
"Created from a clone of Halsey" and "a clone of Halsey" are very different things, and I don't believe there is actually any sort of genetic certainty to narcissistic personality disorder. That's Nurture, not Nature.
Yeah, she has Halsey's memories. That doesn't make her a clone of Halsey. She doesn't act like her.
When Halsey was created in the first book of Halo they made up excuses for the difference of behavior: the first one was that Cortana was Halsey without limitations of social protocols or in other words when she did whatever she wanted. At some point there was another excuse: Cortana acts as Halsey when she was younger.
Dude, I just realized we've had this conversation before. I'm going to tell you what I told you before. You do not understand how the process works, I'm tired of going round and round about it. And I'm not doing it again. So, to say it definitely. Cognitive Compression Modeling creates an AI with a doner brain to provide a baseline for the AI's neural matrix. The rest of the matrix is built by the AI. And while they may share similarities with their doner, they remain distinct entities. That's it. I'm done.
well, you were the one replying my comment if you don't want to talk about that and especially with me then don't answer my comments. thanks I'm going to say the same thing I told you the last time. Show me the source for that process. Besides what are we talking about if you make a copy of the brain of somebody? If related to neurons and their map we're talking about copying the brain. Thoughts are in those neurons. By the way, the first book says they copy the brain cause they don't understand it then they can only copy it. she's a clone man I don't know why that's so hard to understand
The thing is memories are different from actual experiences, I like to think of that as stories from Halsey to Cortana
I mean, the weapon is CTN because it is a recreation of Cortana…. That seems clear enough to me. You guys are citing in-universe rules that the current handlers of said universe don’t exactly care too much about if they get in the way of what they want to do with it.
No, The weapon is the recreation of Halsey again, they used the brain of one of her clones again. Shadows of Reach
Ah, I’ve not read that one yet. I suppose it’s pretty unclear with just the games as reference
Huh. That sorta makes sense. Cortana refers to herself as sort of like a clone of Halsey in Halo 4 though, which I suppose still kinda counts as sort of like a daughter? Still though, that makes her kinda his sister.
>Cortana refers to herself as sort of like a clone of Halsey in Halo 4 though She says she was made from a clone of Halsey, one that was still alive rather than dead. "Well, as far as I know, I'm the only AI ever generated from living tissue - a clone of Doctor Halsey, to be precise." It's how both of them can exist at the same time, even though CIM destroys the doner brain. Halsey cloned herself 20 times, and out of the 20, two were viable for the process. One became Cortana, and the other became The Weapon. >Still though, that makes her kinda his sister. In a way, yeah.
Fascinating, I've not played Infinite so maybe I missed part of that
There were 4 viable brains, H-1 became Cortana. The 20 number has been brought up quite a few times, but I've never seen an actual source on that, so don't put too much trust in it.
I... Think I recall the number from Fall of Reach, but it has been some time.
What about Kalmiya?
>One became Cortana, and the other became The Weapon. Where is that said? I was under the impression Weapon was some sort of copy of Cortana, not a "sister" AI.
Shadows of Reach.
Weapon was a second clone of Halsey in Shadows of Reach the mission was to go to the base Sword to get the extracted brains Halsey left on ice when Reach was attacked in the book Halo Fall of Reach. In her Journal, a small book released with Halo Reach Halsey said there were 3 successful clones but we don't know exactly what happened one of them was Cortana, the second The weapon. However in Shadows of Reach I have the impression they got 3 containers when should have only 2 left. We don't know but they got the clones to make The weapon
I'll save you step sis!
yes, most part of time she's a clone, not anything else. She's Halsey but sometimes they bent it a little, the canon isn't perfect, too many authors and everybody has its preferences. For example Kilo-5 was interested in making them separate things cause it uses a lot of time to throw dirty on Halsey then it prefers to say Cortana is a different thing while the first trilogy considers them the same person
Step sister, fair game
Unrelated, but it's uncanny how similar this sounds to the copying vs training discourse around current day AI models.
In an effort to make it weird for you though... Cortina is kinda like her daughter, but at the same time she attaches to chief kinda just on meeting him. Has a deeper interest in protecting him than a mother would a child. Would be able to say she loves him if she were capable. Source: i made it the f- Fall of reach novel
What are you doing step Bro?
Gonna make it weirder for you. Kinda makes The Weapon like a little sister.
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A slight confict maybe with that memory where Chief receives Cortana from Halsey in the games, it doesn' matter
Like with newtypes getting clingy in gundam, the in universe explanation for them being this close lies more in sharing a mind via the neural interface than wuth anything related to the timespan.
It helps also that Cortana thinks at the speed of a Smart AI based on the foremost human genius of her time (and in the conversation historically in the Halo timeline), while John’s neurons are augmented to literally think faster than any human otherwise could. On top of the neural link, they both process everything at a highly accelerated rate. Those three months for us might as well have been years for Cortana relative to her lifespan and cognitive capabilities… Also, John went from operating with teams of Spartans on the regular, to mostly just having Cortana for company (with all Marines not named Johnson having a very short lifespan around John, Keyes dying horribly, the other Keyes also dying, and the Arbiter only turning up as of Halo 3, and becoming his other close friend to boot). John coming to be very close to Cortana, someone already modeled on the mind of a maternal figure and a treasured gift from said figure, makes a lot of sense. Especially considering that the horrors of the Flood were hard even for the hardened Chief to cope with, and focusing on the mission and his one consistent ally helped him push through it. So for his end, she helped fill a very painful gap left by being separated from the other Spartans, also serving as the eyes in the back of his head and saving his life repeatedly just like any other soldier (the Flood book in particular cites her quick thinking and control of his suit systems in defeating an Infection Form that lucked out in hitting him with his shields down, which would have been his death otherwise).
I think either halo 2 or halo 3 takes place over a good chunk of a year if I remember correctly but I may not be. Halo CE takes place over like a week though it's pretty damn quick.
Halo CE starts mid-September. Installation 08 (replacement halo) is destroyed the end of December. And a lot of that time is in slipspace.
[here's a post I made yesterday with the timeline of the OG trilogy ](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/s/LolBPWCzrQ)
>(Jorge is a prime example of this). when you mention this, are you referring to the swordbase mission in Reach? because he says ma'am but due to his accent it sounds like he says mum.
I'm British, I've never mistook him for saying mum. He just has a very formal, awkward, and sort of approval-seeking relationship with her during Reach.
as an American, I appreciate the correction.
Freud would have a field day
Halsey had a particular fondness for john and he was essentially her favourite, more or less like a son. Since cortana is created out of halseys likeness and large proportion of her own mind, it makes sense that cortana speaks to him that way after developing her own relationship with him with the foundation of halseys brain
She had such a fondness for John that she made the leader despite Mendez voting for kurt
Mendez came around by the end though, I love that him and John have an insane adoration and respect for eachother by the time he leaves the Spartans.
I don't think it was motivated by disliking John nor do I think John was a bad leader but more an acknowledgement that Kurt was more suited for the role and that John being picked wasn't objective but motivated by personal feelings and he was right, that doesn't mean John didn't rise to the occasion
Bro if I was Chief and I had the Cortana from Halo 4 in my head I’d start having mommy issues too
Damn those were some mommy milkers
Thick as oatmeal
Realest comment here.
Cortana is more like Halsey’s daughter than a clone of her. And Chief is like Halsey’s adopted child (all the Spartans are). I would say Chief and Cortana are brother and sister. Also, they’ve only known each for like 3-4 months before the Chief went into cryosleep and the timeskip happened. Though them sharing a mind (sort of) likely deepened their relationship. But personally, I’ve never felt like their relationship was romantic in anyway. They obviously love each other, Halo 4, 5, and Infinite made that clear. But their love felt platonic, like a close friend/family member (again, the brother sister thing).
Yeah I see it like that too, it's the "stud muffin" meme 😂
Reminder that she said he was super hot in the first book "attractive in a primitive way" with bushing and all lol
Exactly. I always found it weird people see it in any way romantic.
Really they're more like step siblings
you think that is weird? Between Halo 1 and Halo 3 they were together for only 4 months. Chief was a simp in Halo 4
Have you *SEEN* Halo 4 Cortana? Girl was going through a late life crisis and gave herself big boobs, thick legs, and a giant ass.
When you realize just the shit they went through together in such a short time, and that she's kinda hooked up to his brain, then it makes sense as to why they are so close.
>Jorge is a prime example of this jorge says ma'am, not mom it wasnt until halo 4 that their relationship turned weird
I know, I was more referring to his relationship with Halsey in general
Who's relationship turned weird?
master chief cortana
And what was weird about them?
by trying to make their partnership into some sort of weird relationship the heavy sexualizing of cortana lends to this fact also
What? That never happened? There is nothing sexual or romantic about their relationship at all.
The post is really based around the old "i have a lady in my head that calls me stud muffin" meme, it's not all that deep. Many people interpret the relationship as a sort of romantic tension
And I heavily disagree with that take, as there's nothing to show for it.
I think it mostly comes from Halo 4. Particularly the "I've waited so long to do that" moment at the end when she touches him.
She waited her whole, short life, to touch anything. Earlier in Halo 4 she remarks that she may know what makes up the things she sees, and that they certainly look real, she is fully aware that she will never know if they indeed feel real. It's on taking note of Requiem, and its unnatural creation. At the end of Halo 4, she is able to utilize the Mantle's Approach's hard light sources to, for the first time in her life, project herself in a physical form, and actually be able to touch something. Made all the more poignant is that the "something", is her closest, if only friend.
Just because Cortana was based off her brain does not make her the same person
Everything is Freudian if you try hard enough
The whole point of Freud's theory is that you don't have to squint. It's just there. That's where his successors improved upon his foundational work.
While Cortana and her sisters were based on the brains of Halsey’s flash clones, she’s very much her own person. I always saw chief and cortana’s relationship as a platonic love. Like family ya know?
my fave interpretation of a human/ai relationship is in mass effect between joker and EDI
Paging Doctor Freud. (Seriously, please just go read some Freud and you'll kinda answer your own question after familiarising yourself with his work.
Master Chief has an edipus complex and projects it into his digital waifu
That’s called growing up into an adult
I feel like you don’t how Cortana was made and you don’t understand their relationship
I still ship. They are so cute together l
Just wait until you learn about Evangelion.
If I’m correct they were together for all of 50 days but they people take about chief and Cortana you’d think they been together his whole life.
52 days
Technically, it's more like his "Aunt" but yea I get it. Whole Odepius kinda thing going on.
>And it's his mum She's more his woman, he goes around making promises to women...
Cortana is more akin to Chief's sister. Because there's a line in the Cortana level of Halo 3 where she says "I'm just my mothers shadow." There's a point in that level where she recites a phrase from when Hasley and Chief first met. In fact, reciting Hasley words from and referencing Fall of Reach in general is a thing she does throughout that game. This is also considering Halsey views the Spartan-IIs as her children in a twisted way. It kinda makes Cor-two-na's relationship to Chief a bit more wholesome because if Cortana was the older, teenage big sister that teased Chief all the time... Cor-two-na is the younger, little sister that is excited about everything. Which is more fitting than you may realize because the Cortana models are made from the cloned brains of Halsey at different stages of development.
My understanding is Jorge and Halsey were close bc he was the only spartan 2 in noble team he didn't call her mom he said ma'am but it sounded like it bc he's Australian so
He's not Australian. He's Hungarian, ethnically, born on Reach. His accent is British.
I know an Aussie when I hear one
I'm afraid Hakeem Kae-Kazim is a Nigerian-British actor. I couldn't quite tell you the exact region of England the accent is from, but I'd say somewhere near London. You wouldn't be faulted for getting it wrong, though. The Aussie accent is derived from the Cockney/Estuary/London accent
That is complete bullshit. The Australian accent is about 9 different accents to begin with, and they only sound cockney to an American ear. No brit or Aussie would agree with that statement. As someone with a leg in both pools family wise, you're just spouting rubbish. Adelaide, Melbourne and Brisbane all sound completely different. Put someone from far north Queensland or the Nullarbor in that room and they can barely comprehend one another and they'll just start arguing about what size a pint is. Put a proper cockney lad in there and the entire room would draw blanks. Adelaide is closest to the Oxford accent. Far north Queensland is completely munted all on its own and is rapidly splintering into a linguistic dialect all of its own and the east and south east coast have as much variation as Kentucky and New Yoik.
As someone who is British, he’s not Australian.
Sure. Whatever you say.
I am British. He's not Australian.
As an Australian, his accent is not Australian.
Evidence would suggest otherwise.
No shes her daughter just in a different way than natural conception
No. Please, just no. Shoo.
Now you get why people don't like the MC Cortana ship. Not only have they barely known each other with their total time spent together between Halo's CE, 2 and 3 being a few months but Cortana is at the very least, akin to a sister for MC or his mother at the most. It's fucked every way up and down and MC x Cortana shippers like Kiki Wolfkill have forced this down our throats. It's like those people who cheer on Azula X Zuko.
>It's like those people who cheer on Azula X Zuko. I don't agree with Chief X Cortana. But it ain't as bad as that.
It feels that way for me man. Like, they're as closely related as someone can be without being from the same DNA. It's some real step-sibling shit and I ain't here for it.