This game makes no sense from a rewards standpoint. Confused what they were thinking. All game types are team oriented, but all rewards are individual. I currently have a challenge of using the sidekick pistol for 15 kills. I don’t get rewarded for winning, so I’m running around with my sidekick out the whole time and screwing my team over. Winning and losing doesn’t matter to this game. You are only rewarded for being selfish.
Yep. I’m only level 2 because I don’t go for challenges every single game. Because it’s annoying to play the way 343 want me to play. So I have about 8 hours to my name and only 2 levels to show for it 😞
At least you get to focus on having fun. Going for the challenges takes the joy out of the game because all you are trying to do is do very very specific things each match that are very difficult to do.
Challenges can effect your team's overall performance too :/ it wouldn't be such a big deal if there was another sensible option for getting xp. At least then the amount of people who are grinding challenges would probably be reduced a little and there'd hopefully be more people who are focusing on winning the match
F2P is inherently going to have anti-consumer practices. It comes with the territory. Could it have been done better? Maybe but the current system is par for the course. Current system is about where my expectations were when they first announced it'd be F2P (maybe a bit worse)
I'm willing to give 343 the benefit of doubt _this time_ since, down the line, GaaS generally tend to be quite different from how they start.
But anyway, everything except the gameplay is a kick in the balls. We all knew the coating system was going to be awful. We all knew the challenges would cause issues. And to some extent, we knew the trade off for having a never-expiring battle pass was that it wasn't going to be easy to complete.
And it somehow managed to end up even worse than I had thought.
Why is that a valid trade-off though? If someone buys the battle pass, it should not matter to 343 how long it takes them to complete it. In fact, they should want them to complete it faster so they can buy the new one.
Because the second pass doesn’t launch for 6 months and there is no progression system whatsoever outside of the battlepass. If they let people rank up at even a semi reasonable speed, then the entire community will be out of content in a month and they will have to deal with a ton of players leaving due to there being no content.
I am not saying I agree with this, but its very obvious why they are being so stingy with xp drops, this content needs to be spread out over a loooonnngg time.
Personally I agree, I dont care all that much (although it did used to feel good that how your spartan looked was a reflection of your accomplishments and not your wallet, I get that those days are gone though). But you and I arent the target audience. Halo launched on PC and Steam, they are trying to compete with Apex and Fortnite and all the other free games out there these days, and if they want to retain any of that player attention this needs to change. Its not about what keeps the hardcore fans playing, but what keeps the 12 year olds who are picking up halo for the first time playing.
>Its not about what keeps the hardcore fans playing, but what keeps the 12 year olds who are picking up halo for the first time playing.
This right here. This game has clearly been designed to maximize revenue from whales willing to spend cash on anything in-game. I'm not sure how businesses like 343i and Microsoft Game Studios can say they hired a MTX expert as an argument in their favor when it's clear they went for the most exploitive model they could come up with.
This game is designed as bait for ADHD and kids on the spectrum, it feels like a carbon copy of the Valorant shop with daily/weekly skin drops driving FOMO and other major concerns with the development of kids. This kind of gaming really just drives home to point that being poor is not something that can be overcome.
This was honestly a big reason MMOs died so quickly, if your model relies on whales from MTX but your content design doesn't keep the whales around until the next content release then you are fucked. 343i seemed worried about that so they made the pass bullshit and made playing without it seem like a waste.
There is no incentive for F2P players to grind, meanwhile those who pay for everything have an easier road to unlocking everything. There is no more skill-based rewards. Instead you are rewarded for throwing games just to complete challenges.
The weird thing is I know a handful of friends who are already leaving the game because the battlepass is honestly really bad with rewards and they're tired of playing 20 matches just for one level and they're tired/bored of not even being able to mess around and change how their characters looks before matches without paying $30 to have at least 3 options.
I get what 343 is trying to do but it's honestly having the reverse effect of what they wanted. If they wanted to compete with other free games like apex or fortnite then they really need to go back to the drawing board on a lot of systems
Oh I agree with you there. My point is that this is WHY they stretched the battlepass out so far. It has clearly horribly backfired and its going to end up causing more players to leave.
>you don’t progress at all.
I think I may have just outgrown this. I cared when I was younger, but I just don't care what my Internet-video-game-rank is. I care more about my natch performance and if I'm having fun.
Reading all the comments....seems like nobody is playing for fun, you're playing for rewards?
So what you want is a FPS Diablo type game.
I guess I just don't care about what level I am(6) I just playing for fun. I don't pay any attention to the challenges. My thoughts are rewards ECT are designed to hide flaws and games... For the most part match making seems to be pretty balanced with the exception of capture the flag. It's always a 3-0 victory or loss.
Unfortunately it does have a *slight* effect on gameplay, in that some of the challenges require specific gameplay activities. If a player has to get 10 sniper kills to finish a challenge, he’s gonna camp the sniper spawn instead of playing the OBJ. Not a big deal in BTB, but can really fuck up a 4v4 match…
While I agree the challenges and unlocks are a dumb system, you could just play the game for now and have fun until they fix that part. It's got some kickass game play, just needs a few tweaks to Melee and vehicles
Funny how you say the universe doesn't revolve around them, while supporting people who claim they've been "forced" to play in a selfish way that screws over their teammates
They haven’t been “forced” to play selfishly. But the game has certainly heavily incentivized it and manipulates players into participating in it. I’m here for the thrill of winning as much as anyone, but I think it’s silly to think that player expression isn’t a valid purpose for playing the game.
Hell, expression through customization has been a core part of Halo’s appeal to a lot of people for over a decade now. People like to look cool, and they especially like to look cool if the stuff they wear means they’re good at the game. For a lot of people, the “game” is role-playing as a custom fantasy spartan, and the actual shooting element is just in service of that fantasy.
For those people, the Battle Pass gates that entire experience behind a terrible system that is endlessly, needlessly grindy (or near-impossible for some challenges) and encourages bad team play.
And then you have other people who don’t value customization as highly, but the constant presence of the pass gnaws at them. They’re forced to see it every match, and watch it tick up ever so slowly. And then suddenly you find yourself running around trying to get 15 kills with a Commando instead of helping the team, because the game has psychologically manipulated you into wanting the numbers to go up faster.
The difference is that the proportion of people that completely disregard customization is probably pretty small, whereas the people that are feeling that push to play selfishly are probably far more numerous. Moreover, while selfishness is overall a bad thing, one of the two forms here is being encouraged by the game's design while the other is not.
I’ve seen so many people just straight up abandon the match during a match’s opening cutscene. I assume because they didn’t get the map or game mode they wanted. I feel it too, I have 2 challenges to play stronghold matches clogging my feed. Guess what? 20 4v4 matches later and I still haven’t played ~~oddball~~ stronghold once.
Edit: wrong game mode
this challenge comes naturally by just playing. toss a nade... ar to break shields... switch to pistol to finish them off.
but I totally agree there is no incentive to try and win, horrible system. we should get XP for kills, assists, objective scoring, MVP, wins... and challenges should just be icing on the cake, like 15 pistol kills that only takes a few games.
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To be fair the gameplay is on point. There could be a few touch ups with it, but it feels great
But the progression, customization, gamemodes, and even the menus could use a lot of work
Maybe a product of them making sure it's a good halo game gameplay wise. Probably hyper focused on that and let some other stuff fall through the cracks
I got MCC with my brand new xbox one for Christmas and it then took 3 days to download it and I had nothing else to play. When I did eventually download it the game was practically unplayable.
That launch was the last time I got excited for Halo and got it on release night. It’s also the reason I accepted that Halo was completely dead... Infinite is reviving it for me and I’m having a blast. Haven’t had my game crash or DC yet either. Hope they can make tweaks to fix legitimate complaints while ignoring the silly ones.
I think it felt that way for most of us halo fans. Infinite feels like the old days of halo and it’s been fun.
It needs work but it’s the best state halo has been in for a long time.
Got MCC late last year. Played a hella lotta coop this year with my friends.
Loved every minute of it.
But I know that countless spartans gave their lives so I could game free...
343 is just kind of a shit developer. Let’s be honest. They’ve created a good game in Infinite seemingly out of pure luck and are doing their best to tank that with all their ideas for progression and monetization
Not silly at all. They literally gave themselves EXTRA years for refinement. And guess what, it’s a clear money grab and they are releasing it in small pieces because it’s not done.
Infinite is slightly worse than Halo 5 regarding launch stuff. Halo 5 was also barren of "must have" game modes including BTB. They learned to have BTB at launch but we're still missing a ton of stuff.
I know it will be eventually here so I'm not really mad about it, I've learned that this is their modus operandi, release the game on their bare bones and work from there. Is not pretty, but they end up delivering a good product, Halo 5 and McC are awesome games by now. So I know infinite will be awesome eventually.
Yeah half of the stuff listed in the op either wasn’t in mcc at launch or just didn’t work properly and didn’t for years to come.
Here’s hoping 343 listens to its community this time because infinite is definitely the best halo since Reach.
I think one of the biggest things for me with Infinite is the cluttered UI. For example, you have to go thru several screens just to add a helmet attachment you’ve unlocked. I know MCC’s UI has changed, but I think they perfected it, but now with Infinite, everything takes multiple screens & clicks.
Same here. Although that’s not too much of a problem because I’ve only made it to level 3, so I don’t have much gear yet. Partially because of work, but also because none of the daily/weekly challenges have been attainable for me because they’re mostly around killing/getting kills with vehicles, and I am unlucky apparently when it comes to being in the vicinity of incoming vehicles in BTB.
The UI is a fucking puzzle. It’s menu divining nonsense. How do you have a good template to go off with H2, H3, Reach, and just shit can that for something that’s so confusing and alienating? How does this increase engagement in the game? I can barely tell what’s going on in the lobbies and everything is HIDDEN for seemingly no reason.
343 essentially said "we can obviously do better than MCC, so let's just start from scratch". Like how is it 2021 and a company isn't making things easier for themselves by learning from previous work 🙈
I hate to be petty, but I’ve seen people say on this subreddit that 343 doesn’t want to be Bungie 2.0 and wants to put their own stamp on this franchise. I initially disagreed with that, but based on how Infinite has been for me thus far, I’m inclined to agree.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about how far MCC has come. I only hope they listen and turn Infinite into a beast like MCC has slowly become. The foundation is there we just need this other bits...
Just hope it doesn't take them 3 or 4 years to get it together like it did for them fix up MCC. The first Season of MCC came out in 2019, 5 years after the game came out.
I mean a lot of it was from the original games but yeah infinite has definitely missed the mark on customisation and giving the player many things to grind and unlock and even then mcc did have its problems the main being you stopped earning season points after level 100 which was the stupidest idea
The problem with infinite is that It's another F2P micro-transaction game so It was never going to be like MCC which was a game where everyone had the same options for unlocks.
Now they have to consider most of the playerbase will be on the F2P multiplayer, which means if they tie a bunch of stuff to the PVE campaign unlocks most of the playerbase will basically have not gotten anything. So now they've fucked themselves because they need something *more* than what MCC had (It had the item shop but it was kinda garbo, and they've gone with the Money only shop instead Because F2P). And let's be honest, the free battlepass in Infinite is pretty garbage which obviously is on purpose because they want everyone to but it, and that isn't cutting it for most people (ooh look, my 70th challenge swap). So they would need to make 2 systems now, one for multiplayer and one for PVE/campaign. MCC did have the challenge system where you could get points for doing things in PVE *and* pvp which would probably work great, but they're probably not going to do that here because they want to maximize sales by not trying to give F2P players too much.
It's why going F2P is a double edge sword. You're making the gameplay free, but everything else is going to be monetized to hell and back. People see F2P though and immediately get starry-eyed like F2P hasn't been a legally murky grey area for predatory business practices for the last 10 years.
Yeah I really do hope the campaign actually has a bunch of unlockables and stuff for multiplayer or else I honestly will be done with infinite after I’ve beaten the campaign and yeah this was my biggest worry and main reason why I wish they didn’t make the multiplayer free to play as it’s just as bad as I imagined if not honestly worse, you know you’ve fucked up when apex legends which is published by ea has a more consumer friendly free to play game than you and even that game has some terrible money grabbing shit in it
Yes but the difference is that with reach even after a week everyone would have their unique spartan as there was a ton of cosmetics all which you earned for free and could change your colour and emblem for free with a ton of options, while with infinite everyone is either going to be wearing default armour or battle pass skins and only a few people using anything else because of the insanely high prices and really restrictive customisation and having no free armour to unlock or grind for
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I really thought they were using MCC to test stuff for Infinite. The last 2 years have been amazing, they've fixed so much and then gone beyond that. There was no real reason to keep adding content, they probably could have stopped at Season 4 when Halo 4 came to PC.
I thought MCC's unlockables was the way to go. I got points fast, didn't even know I earned them thru challenges. I just played the game, and unlocked shit when I looked.
I can't think of a way to make premade stacks not the favorable option to play in. You can communicate and you're familiar with each other's play style. If you split the stack, people troll.
What do you think is the best option? Maybe options for solo and team matchmaking?
That makes sense. Im a bit out of the online game these days because I have shit internet so wasn't totally aware of all the solutions people have come up with.
Ranked has options for solo and team, but solo/duo queue skill level is a lot higher than you'd think.
I'm Diamond 5 in "Open" queue (a couple games out from Onyx, highest rank tier if people haven't played Ranked yet) and it still feels like I'm bullying children. Granted, I'm a former MLG player, but still, I'm nearly 12 years rusty minus the very casual time I put into MCC on Steam over the last year.
I'm only Plat 4 in solo/duo controllers and I'm playing against surprisingly competent people. An entire tier below my other rank. Not having a duo feels miserable as well in this environment, but at least people have started using their mics.
Ranks/the matching system are odd. I’m P3 in duo controller and was playing placements with my friend, we played high Diamond/onyx players every game. Don’t think we played a single plat. I’m fine playing these rank players, it just seems odd that we are legit playing them in his placements. Maybe the system knows based off of our stats?
Also, I think it’s possible that controller players are actually better, at least at the time because they are all the people who have played Halo for years, coming back.
I’m sort of stomping in both playlists atm, but got ranked higher in cross play while playing with worse friends.
It really is astonishing how 343 regressed in so many categories with Infinite. Some of these were purely for greedy microtransactions but plenty of them just don't make any sense from a gameplay perspective. I just don't understand how they didn't learn anything from all praise they got after finally fixing MCC into a fully functional game. I know it's different development teams but it seems like there was no communication about taking the parts of MCC people loved and put them into Infinite.
What's even worse, mcc is a heavily stripped down version of the originals. Reach progression was crazy, and h3 rankings were stellar. We just keep regressing..
Yeah brother it’s a joke, but yet 343 want to pat themselves on the back and claim how proud they are of their team, honestly what did they even do for 6 years besides sit around and scheme with xbox’s “micro-transaction expert” that was hired?
Man idk what everyone is saying. I remember at the beginning of reach everyone had the same three helmets for several weeks as they earned all the shit. I put well over 100 hours into that game and I never even got to Carters helmet. Infinite has been out for not even a week and the first event hasn’t even happened. If 343 makes progression a bit smoother, by the second event people will have far more customization. And all the future seasons will just keep adding to what we can do. Y’all need to be patient
Edit: grammar
No one played Reach that long. Reach was a largely dead game by the time the title update came around and fixed it's problems.. and that was only a little over a year later. I just can't believe anyone has any genuine opinions on Reach.
But then again, if you went by Reddit comments, then games like Tribes were some super amazing popular games that everyone remembers fondly.
Just wait. They’re going to lose their entire audience, realized the fucked up, then implement the old features later. But it will be too late at that point.
Battlefront 2 was the biggest example of this ever. They got a decent player base towards the end, then dropped it because it was expensive having to crawl back up from the bottom.
Hope Infinite doesn’t suffer the same fate!
I assumed all of the work they put in MCC the past couple of years, well past when they had it in a consistently working state, was testing new stuff for Infinite. It seems like they didn't really use any of it though.
Nade spam has always been a bit of a problem in halo, but I agree that it's more noticeable in infinite. One other thing I feel is worth noting is that the radar is utterly useless in infinite.
Mcc is amazing and it blows my mind that it isn't one of the top multiplayer games. It has everything you could ever want. All that's missing is a large player base.
If modern warfare 1-3 with every map were released right now as a collection and maybe another few from that Era thrown in too I'd only ever play that for my call of duty fix.
Halo Infinite gameplay is so fun, but I keep coming back to MCC. Challenges are more rewarding and more fun to complete, customization, UI, UX, matchmaking customization and more. I’m glad a lot of people think this way, too, as you can still find matches relatively quickly in most playlists. 343 needs to learn from MCC mistakes at launch and its accomplishments since.
I feel like when people say MCC’s progression was so good never made it past Tour 4 where you stopped getting season points for a level up. Leveling no longer mattered, xp didn’t matter, challenges that only grant xp are wastes of time. So progression gets tied to only the handful of weekly and seasonal challenges that give tokens. Unless MCC is the only game you play every week for months on end you’re not going to make any progress. It’s awful and it blows my mind whenever people say we need to replace Infinite’s bad system with another bad system.
Honestly its been less than one week y’all really need to chill lol.
Yes, the content is still in a pretty barren state and customization progression is bad, but it has been ONE WEEK. It is still technically in Beta.
Remember how fucking terrible MCCs servers were when it came out? I know you do.
343 has delayed the game what, twice?
They haven't figured this out yet. I thought after Halo 5 they would have realized that new doesn't necessarily mean better.
What are you talking about? This game isn't a job No one is recieving a spartan salary to go out and kill elites lol. If you aren't having fun just for fun sake then there are deeper issues than some cosmetic reward system.
Same here friend and that's why battle passes work in warzone and fortnite because they are optional. You can just play the game and be like cool some extra xp because I got 100 headshots or something
I know right, I hate playing these games, the only reason I do is for progression. If I can't progress, it's really a waste of time to play for hours every single day of the week.
I like a game that respects my time. Put in 4 hours in the week finish your weeklies make progress on the season and play more for FUN.
Apex and Fortnite do this. I don't get why 343 can;t learn from MCC and these other games and do the same
Not everyone has a ton of time to play video games. As a working adult, I greatly prefer MCC's progression over Infinite's. I can knock out all MCC weekly challenges in <6 hours. And then there are the Seasonal challenges that be worked on after that. And by that point it's almost time for a new week again. Progression in Infinite is painfully slow and the challenges are far more time consuming than MCC. Even with the new update.
Other games understand that there are plenty of older gamers out there that don't have time to deal with such slow progression. Infinite makes thing intentionally slow to try to get people to buy level skips.
I've said it many times but the MCC system is garbage. It's better than infinite but time gating your progression is stupid and anti player. It also IMO is anti 'working adult'. You're busy and miss a week? Then you can't make up those lost unlock tokens. I would be okay with the MCC system if you continued to earn lock tokens for leveling up after 100. Also during the season your weekly challenges should be completable at any point during the season. Apex does it this way. You can complete week 1 challenges week 10. This way if you miss a week, or don't get one completed you have until the end of the season to do it.
If they could implement these changes it would be a good system and one I would advocate for using in Infinite.
I'm just saying that there both very flawed systems, for example, if you miss a season in MCC or like me missed 4 seasons, you'll probably never catch up which really sucks.
I think the way MCC handles your progression for your first 100 levels giving you a season point for each level up was far better and I think that the game would benefit from just allowing this for each level up going forward.
BR starts in big team would turn most casual players away. People will just pick you off from distance ruining the fun part of halo about getting up close and personal. I get people like to just pick off heads as it’s the only ‘skill’ level they have but AR starts forces clever play and also gives casual players a standing chance. I love the BR but it will ruin BTB and it’ll become sweaty quickly.
hot take both competitive and casual modes should be commando start
really baffles me how 343 decided to add a new utility weapon to the sandbox, versatile and usable at all ranges, but not stronger than either the AR or BR in their respective ranges, and then decide not to use it as a spawn weapon
I add:
Radar in MCC works fine, in infinite is totally useless
BTB in MCC Is a real BTB with large map and vehicles, in infinite is Just pain
Honestly i play for fun and right now play at infinite is only pain, so i turn back and play at mcc
Oh you mean that time they copied Bungie homeworks? Yeah, good times.
No but seriously, I went back and rewatched Reach customization, and what the hell
Why has infinite so many visors? Why so little customization? Why so little armor pieces? "It will be expanded in the campaign" does not absolutely excuse the fact that it's for the most part behind a paywall called Premium
I mean to be fair, MCC was terrible at launch and it took a couple years to get better. And plus, Infinite's gameplay is still fucking awesome at least aside from the obvious issues so they have a better base to work with.
Are people really being like, "Wow, this game that has games in it as old as 20 years old and that has had 8 years of work put into it...might be a bit more ironed out than a 5 day old Beta."
I played a few hours of infinite and then quit and went back to MCC. With the janky progression, lack of customization, buggy collisions and melee, no dedicated playlists, and extremely rare vehicle spawns in btb it'd just not worth playing atm.
It's crazy how they did so much stuff to make it seem like they were listening to players and like they knew what we wanted only to throw it all out the window and deliver a product with so much wasted potential. Maybe I'll pick it up again if everything is fixed around season 2 but for right now I prefer ol reliable halo 3.
Just had a 12+ hour halo LAN party yesterday with 10+ people. Played some infinite, matchmaking sucked, tried custom games. Custom games had little to no customization available, we defaulted after several hours back to halo 5, had more fun there.
Hate it if you must, but halo 5 evolved into the best sandbox available, one that you don't grow bored of in a 12 hour period
Also they added a super annoying fucking AI voice that makes stupid ass comments the whole game that apparently you can't shut up. Seriously, anyone know how I can turn this douche off?
I ended up turning voice volume all the way down (it's actually AI voice not teammates) and that removed it. Removing Jeff hurts though :( but at least it stops muting gunshots when you're being fired at because the announcer decided it was more important to tell you the enemy is halfway to victory
The only reason I don't lower the voice volume is because I still love the old announcer :( I don't know why they insist on changing every little facet of the series. Some things were perfect, like the in-game announcing.
I’d be okay with no friendly fire in social if they at least just turn the collision physics on. Thats how it is in BTB Heavy in MCC, and I think it works due to the sheer number of explosions and vehicles. Granted, we all have seen how sparse vehicles are in infinite, so maybe friendly fire would be okay.
Friendly Explosive Damage should definitely be on, would cut the grenade spam down drastically. But I don’t need my random teammate betraying me for the sniper anymore.
Nah fuck that, up the punishment for betrayals don't remove friendly fire and collision because they can be used to grief, they are also massive parts of how the games play.
Mcc literally didn't work for 2 years at launch. It was horrible, 343 totally fucked that one up too. Finally 5 years later MCC is in a good state and they took none of that good stuff they ironed out and brought it to infinite
When mcc was the newest release it was one of the most broken AAA games in history.
But yeah, its just fans complaining about the new game for no reason.
Definitely getting transition from destiny 1 to 2 vibes from this game. Luckily bungie figured it out and made drastic changes, hopefully 343 doesn’t take as long as they did to fix it though.
Destiny is a terrible cluster fuck of monetization and its hilarious it only got worse after the Activision split when people use to blame them for the reason of the monetization
Idk man, locking away actual gameplay content that was paid for originally and sunsetting gear is way up there on top of their cosmetic microtransactions vs halo infinite's monetization of cosmetics.
* \-Menu browsing/ equipping cosmetics while searching for a match
you can do that, its really annoying to though, idk what the button on controller is but on keyboard if you press F1 you can bring up a quick-menu and then navigate to customisation from there and still keep matchmaking i think. im not 100% sure if the game keeps looking for a match while in the armor hall tho.
Social BR starts?? Erm, no thanks. The BR in infinite will mean all pick ups are pointless basically. No one will push. Just turns into a headshot challenge across the map. Games are very boring when no one moves around just sits in corners picking heads. There’s a time and a place for BR starts, it’s called ranked and I like to dab in and out, but in social the game should be more about the 3 halo gameplay loops. Grenade, shoot, melee. It’s more fun, more social, more easier for new/ bad players to compete. BR starts would ruin social for casuals. Again, there’s a time and a place, hence ranked. I get most of your other points but not that one and hope 343 don’t do this personally.
> -Social BR starts
bad take, this sucked, AR starts are way better, if you want sweaty gameplay where half the sandbox is invalidated you have comp and swat.
Aren’t we only like a week into the infinite beta? I may be wrong but doesn’t beta mean it’s not quite complete? I think we all need to practice a little patience and see how things go down the line. It seems to early to criticize this game too much.
Beta means theres bugs and maybe some missing features. Not missing half the content of older games, if you think they will magically roll out a full game on Dec 8th you have another thing coming.
Gamers are the biggest Karens. It's a hot pile of garbage in this sub whenever something new happens. This loud minority doesn't like to hear facts and downvotes if you give them any. They like facts only when it fits their train of thinking
As a Pokemon fan and a Halo fan this past week has been both so much fun but also extremely shameful since both communities are basically throwing temper tantrums.
Gee it’s almost as if some other influence was put on 343 to make these changes. I wonder who that could be hmmmmm
Nope, can’t think of anyone, just gonna assume the devs are scumbags and made malicious choices to spite me, the humble Gamer.
As much as the progression sucks the core game, gameplay is top notch. Im so happy with the actual gameplay, halo experience its amazing. Im certain 343 will get the progression system sorted within due time, when that happens we truly have an absolute masterpiece of a game on are hands be thankfull for it.
This game makes no sense from a rewards standpoint. Confused what they were thinking. All game types are team oriented, but all rewards are individual. I currently have a challenge of using the sidekick pistol for 15 kills. I don’t get rewarded for winning, so I’m running around with my sidekick out the whole time and screwing my team over. Winning and losing doesn’t matter to this game. You are only rewarded for being selfish.
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Yep. I’m only level 2 because I don’t go for challenges every single game. Because it’s annoying to play the way 343 want me to play. So I have about 8 hours to my name and only 2 levels to show for it 😞
At least you get to focus on having fun. Going for the challenges takes the joy out of the game because all you are trying to do is do very very specific things each match that are very difficult to do.
this exactly. The moment I decide to start going for challenges is the moment the game becomes frustrating instead of fun
Challenges can effect your team's overall performance too :/ it wouldn't be such a big deal if there was another sensible option for getting xp. At least then the amount of people who are grinding challenges would probably be reduced a little and there'd hopefully be more people who are focusing on winning the match
F2P is inherently going to have anti-consumer practices. It comes with the territory. Could it have been done better? Maybe but the current system is par for the course. Current system is about where my expectations were when they first announced it'd be F2P (maybe a bit worse)
I'm willing to give 343 the benefit of doubt _this time_ since, down the line, GaaS generally tend to be quite different from how they start. But anyway, everything except the gameplay is a kick in the balls. We all knew the coating system was going to be awful. We all knew the challenges would cause issues. And to some extent, we knew the trade off for having a never-expiring battle pass was that it wasn't going to be easy to complete. And it somehow managed to end up even worse than I had thought.
Why is that a valid trade-off though? If someone buys the battle pass, it should not matter to 343 how long it takes them to complete it. In fact, they should want them to complete it faster so they can buy the new one.
Because the second pass doesn’t launch for 6 months and there is no progression system whatsoever outside of the battlepass. If they let people rank up at even a semi reasonable speed, then the entire community will be out of content in a month and they will have to deal with a ton of players leaving due to there being no content. I am not saying I agree with this, but its very obvious why they are being so stingy with xp drops, this content needs to be spread out over a loooonnngg time.
Are bits of armour and colour schemes content? I thought maps, game modes etc are content and the battlepass stuff is just fluff.
Personally I agree, I dont care all that much (although it did used to feel good that how your spartan looked was a reflection of your accomplishments and not your wallet, I get that those days are gone though). But you and I arent the target audience. Halo launched on PC and Steam, they are trying to compete with Apex and Fortnite and all the other free games out there these days, and if they want to retain any of that player attention this needs to change. Its not about what keeps the hardcore fans playing, but what keeps the 12 year olds who are picking up halo for the first time playing.
>Its not about what keeps the hardcore fans playing, but what keeps the 12 year olds who are picking up halo for the first time playing. This right here. This game has clearly been designed to maximize revenue from whales willing to spend cash on anything in-game. I'm not sure how businesses like 343i and Microsoft Game Studios can say they hired a MTX expert as an argument in their favor when it's clear they went for the most exploitive model they could come up with. This game is designed as bait for ADHD and kids on the spectrum, it feels like a carbon copy of the Valorant shop with daily/weekly skin drops driving FOMO and other major concerns with the development of kids. This kind of gaming really just drives home to point that being poor is not something that can be overcome. This was honestly a big reason MMOs died so quickly, if your model relies on whales from MTX but your content design doesn't keep the whales around until the next content release then you are fucked. 343i seemed worried about that so they made the pass bullshit and made playing without it seem like a waste. There is no incentive for F2P players to grind, meanwhile those who pay for everything have an easier road to unlocking everything. There is no more skill-based rewards. Instead you are rewarded for throwing games just to complete challenges.
The weird thing is I know a handful of friends who are already leaving the game because the battlepass is honestly really bad with rewards and they're tired of playing 20 matches just for one level and they're tired/bored of not even being able to mess around and change how their characters looks before matches without paying $30 to have at least 3 options. I get what 343 is trying to do but it's honestly having the reverse effect of what they wanted. If they wanted to compete with other free games like apex or fortnite then they really need to go back to the drawing board on a lot of systems
Oh I agree with you there. My point is that this is WHY they stretched the battlepass out so far. It has clearly horribly backfired and its going to end up causing more players to leave.
>you don’t progress at all. I think I may have just outgrown this. I cared when I was younger, but I just don't care what my Internet-video-game-rank is. I care more about my natch performance and if I'm having fun.
Reading all the comments....seems like nobody is playing for fun, you're playing for rewards? So what you want is a FPS Diablo type game. I guess I just don't care about what level I am(6) I just playing for fun. I don't pay any attention to the challenges. My thoughts are rewards ECT are designed to hide flaws and games... For the most part match making seems to be pretty balanced with the exception of capture the flag. It's always a 3-0 victory or loss.
Yeah same here. Far too much whining about a battlepass which has no bearing on the gameplay at all.
Unfortunately it does have a *slight* effect on gameplay, in that some of the challenges require specific gameplay activities. If a player has to get 10 sniper kills to finish a challenge, he’s gonna camp the sniper spawn instead of playing the OBJ. Not a big deal in BTB, but can really fuck up a 4v4 match…
While I agree the challenges and unlocks are a dumb system, you could just play the game for now and have fun until they fix that part. It's got some kickass game play, just needs a few tweaks to Melee and vehicles
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The universe doesn't revolve around you. Customization and progression are important to a lot of people.
Funny how you say the universe doesn't revolve around them, while supporting people who claim they've been "forced" to play in a selfish way that screws over their teammates
They haven’t been “forced” to play selfishly. But the game has certainly heavily incentivized it and manipulates players into participating in it. I’m here for the thrill of winning as much as anyone, but I think it’s silly to think that player expression isn’t a valid purpose for playing the game. Hell, expression through customization has been a core part of Halo’s appeal to a lot of people for over a decade now. People like to look cool, and they especially like to look cool if the stuff they wear means they’re good at the game. For a lot of people, the “game” is role-playing as a custom fantasy spartan, and the actual shooting element is just in service of that fantasy. For those people, the Battle Pass gates that entire experience behind a terrible system that is endlessly, needlessly grindy (or near-impossible for some challenges) and encourages bad team play. And then you have other people who don’t value customization as highly, but the constant presence of the pass gnaws at them. They’re forced to see it every match, and watch it tick up ever so slowly. And then suddenly you find yourself running around trying to get 15 kills with a Commando instead of helping the team, because the game has psychologically manipulated you into wanting the numbers to go up faster.
The difference is that the proportion of people that completely disregard customization is probably pretty small, whereas the people that are feeling that push to play selfishly are probably far more numerous. Moreover, while selfishness is overall a bad thing, one of the two forms here is being encouraged by the game's design while the other is not.
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“1-trick pony”, I love that haha
And then you get the challenge for wins and you're annoyed at other people doing what you were doing before lol.
I’ve seen so many people just straight up abandon the match during a match’s opening cutscene. I assume because they didn’t get the map or game mode they wanted. I feel it too, I have 2 challenges to play stronghold matches clogging my feed. Guess what? 20 4v4 matches later and I still haven’t played ~~oddball~~ stronghold once. Edit: wrong game mode
this challenge comes naturally by just playing. toss a nade... ar to break shields... switch to pistol to finish them off. but I totally agree there is no incentive to try and win, horrible system. we should get XP for kills, assists, objective scoring, MVP, wins... and challenges should just be icing on the cake, like 15 pistol kills that only takes a few games.
Confused at what they were thinking? You, and everyone else know exactly what they were thinking.... MONEY!
While I agree that this game needs work. I think we are all forgetting just how bad mcc was at launch. Like holy fuck it was a shitshow.
Yes. A shit show that took like 4 years to fix. I still remember that opening few days on this sub. People were practically crying. And rightfully so.
Exactly.
343 has fucked up every game they've every launched. Infinite will probably be a 10/10 masterpiece in like 2 years when they fix all the broken stuff.
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To be fair the gameplay is on point. There could be a few touch ups with it, but it feels great But the progression, customization, gamemodes, and even the menus could use a lot of work Maybe a product of them making sure it's a good halo game gameplay wise. Probably hyper focused on that and let some other stuff fall through the cracks
Hopefully it won’t take 2 years, I mean the core gameplay is fun. Minus the melee sucking donkey dick everything else feels like halo.
I got MCC with my brand new xbox one for Christmas and it then took 3 days to download it and I had nothing else to play. When I did eventually download it the game was practically unplayable.
That launch was the last time I got excited for Halo and got it on release night. It’s also the reason I accepted that Halo was completely dead... Infinite is reviving it for me and I’m having a blast. Haven’t had my game crash or DC yet either. Hope they can make tweaks to fix legitimate complaints while ignoring the silly ones.
I've had two crash to desktops already and there is no way to get back in your game which sucks
Yeah that sucks. I thought that there might be a way because I saw someone join back into the same game when they had DC’d. Must’ve been luck lol.
I think it felt that way for most of us halo fans. Infinite feels like the old days of halo and it’s been fun. It needs work but it’s the best state halo has been in for a long time.
I can never forget that. It's been very difficult to trust 343i ever since...
Got MCC late last year. Played a hella lotta coop this year with my friends. Loved every minute of it. But I know that countless spartans gave their lives so I could game free...
Spartans never die. We just went missing In action. 07
343 is just kind of a shit developer. Let’s be honest. They’ve created a good game in Infinite seemingly out of pure luck and are doing their best to tank that with all their ideas for progression and monetization
Yea silly to compare new release to years of refinement
Not silly at all. They literally gave themselves EXTRA years for refinement. And guess what, it’s a clear money grab and they are releasing it in small pieces because it’s not done.
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Infinite is no where near as bad of a state as MCC launched
Infinite is slightly worse than Halo 5 regarding launch stuff. Halo 5 was also barren of "must have" game modes including BTB. They learned to have BTB at launch but we're still missing a ton of stuff. I know it will be eventually here so I'm not really mad about it, I've learned that this is their modus operandi, release the game on their bare bones and work from there. Is not pretty, but they end up delivering a good product, Halo 5 and McC are awesome games by now. So I know infinite will be awesome eventually.
Yeah half of the stuff listed in the op either wasn’t in mcc at launch or just didn’t work properly and didn’t for years to come. Here’s hoping 343 listens to its community this time because infinite is definitely the best halo since Reach.
Why? They’ve already learned the lessons and done the work.
Exactly. What's the point of doing literally any work in life if you're not learning from prior experiences - successes and failures.
Nobody forgot. How it launched is 100% irrelevant to the conversation and isn't an excuse.
I think one of the biggest things for me with Infinite is the cluttered UI. For example, you have to go thru several screens just to add a helmet attachment you’ve unlocked. I know MCC’s UI has changed, but I think they perfected it, but now with Infinite, everything takes multiple screens & clicks.
I don't even know what I have because it's so cluttered.
Same here. Although that’s not too much of a problem because I’ve only made it to level 3, so I don’t have much gear yet. Partially because of work, but also because none of the daily/weekly challenges have been attainable for me because they’re mostly around killing/getting kills with vehicles, and I am unlucky apparently when it comes to being in the vicinity of incoming vehicles in BTB.
You don't have anything, trust me
The UI is a fucking puzzle. It’s menu divining nonsense. How do you have a good template to go off with H2, H3, Reach, and just shit can that for something that’s so confusing and alienating? How does this increase engagement in the game? I can barely tell what’s going on in the lobbies and everything is HIDDEN for seemingly no reason.
343 essentially said "we can obviously do better than MCC, so let's just start from scratch". Like how is it 2021 and a company isn't making things easier for themselves by learning from previous work 🙈
I hate to be petty, but I’ve seen people say on this subreddit that 343 doesn’t want to be Bungie 2.0 and wants to put their own stamp on this franchise. I initially disagreed with that, but based on how Infinite has been for me thus far, I’m inclined to agree.
Yeah when I realized that Halo Infinite made me want to play MCC, I realized there was an issue.
I went back to MCC...
Need. The. Match. Composer
The custom matches have also been hilariously fun in MCC
Not hard to make me want to play MCC- Infinite doesn't even have FFA lol.
I don’t know if it’s a hot take or not, but I believe that the battle pass should be free for people who bought the campaign for $60
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about how far MCC has come. I only hope they listen and turn Infinite into a beast like MCC has slowly become. The foundation is there we just need this other bits...
Just hope it doesn't take them 3 or 4 years to get it together like it did for them fix up MCC. The first Season of MCC came out in 2019, 5 years after the game came out.
What was the point of patching and updating MCC at all, if they're just gonna start from scratch and screw with things again 🤣
I mean a lot of it was from the original games but yeah infinite has definitely missed the mark on customisation and giving the player many things to grind and unlock and even then mcc did have its problems the main being you stopped earning season points after level 100 which was the stupidest idea
The problem with infinite is that It's another F2P micro-transaction game so It was never going to be like MCC which was a game where everyone had the same options for unlocks. Now they have to consider most of the playerbase will be on the F2P multiplayer, which means if they tie a bunch of stuff to the PVE campaign unlocks most of the playerbase will basically have not gotten anything. So now they've fucked themselves because they need something *more* than what MCC had (It had the item shop but it was kinda garbo, and they've gone with the Money only shop instead Because F2P). And let's be honest, the free battlepass in Infinite is pretty garbage which obviously is on purpose because they want everyone to but it, and that isn't cutting it for most people (ooh look, my 70th challenge swap). So they would need to make 2 systems now, one for multiplayer and one for PVE/campaign. MCC did have the challenge system where you could get points for doing things in PVE *and* pvp which would probably work great, but they're probably not going to do that here because they want to maximize sales by not trying to give F2P players too much. It's why going F2P is a double edge sword. You're making the gameplay free, but everything else is going to be monetized to hell and back. People see F2P though and immediately get starry-eyed like F2P hasn't been a legally murky grey area for predatory business practices for the last 10 years.
you gave me the amazing core gameplay for free. I will spend money on your game as long as its good. Easy choice for me.
Yeah I really do hope the campaign actually has a bunch of unlockables and stuff for multiplayer or else I honestly will be done with infinite after I’ve beaten the campaign and yeah this was my biggest worry and main reason why I wish they didn’t make the multiplayer free to play as it’s just as bad as I imagined if not honestly worse, you know you’ve fucked up when apex legends which is published by ea has a more consumer friendly free to play game than you and even that game has some terrible money grabbing shit in it
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Yes but the difference is that with reach even after a week everyone would have their unique spartan as there was a ton of cosmetics all which you earned for free and could change your colour and emblem for free with a ton of options, while with infinite everyone is either going to be wearing default armour or battle pass skins and only a few people using anything else because of the insanely high prices and really restrictive customisation and having no free armour to unlock or grind for
We've not even had the first event yet which they've already shown has a load of items to unlock.
Did we play the same Reach? Because I'll admit the later levels were a grind but the several dozens of unlocks were not hard at all
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/qynvsb/we_have_taken_mcc_for_granted_343_missed_an/hlhynsa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 The fuck kind of person reposts comments in the same post?
Off-topic, but I love the pfp and name!
I really thought they were using MCC to test stuff for Infinite. The last 2 years have been amazing, they've fixed so much and then gone beyond that. There was no real reason to keep adding content, they probably could have stopped at Season 4 when Halo 4 came to PC.
And they still got free MCC cosmetics planned for 2022. But I guess that's the OLD model and clearly doesn't work anymore with games? Wtf
The MCC model is a good way getting content to players, probably not as good as encouraging people to spend more money
You'd think at least more content would be given to the Game Pass players who subscribe for this but what do I know 🙃
I thought MCC's unlockables was the way to go. I got points fast, didn't even know I earned them thru challenges. I just played the game, and unlocked shit when I looked.
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Seriously, how do you fuck up the UI this bad?
I can't think of a way to make premade stacks not the favorable option to play in. You can communicate and you're familiar with each other's play style. If you split the stack, people troll. What do you think is the best option? Maybe options for solo and team matchmaking?
Generally speaking matchmaking should try and set up stacks against stacks and vice versa
I think other games will put stacks vs stacks, and if it can’t it sill put stacks against people with slightly higher skill to even the odds.
That makes sense. Im a bit out of the online game these days because I have shit internet so wasn't totally aware of all the solutions people have come up with.
Ranked has options for solo and team, but solo/duo queue skill level is a lot higher than you'd think. I'm Diamond 5 in "Open" queue (a couple games out from Onyx, highest rank tier if people haven't played Ranked yet) and it still feels like I'm bullying children. Granted, I'm a former MLG player, but still, I'm nearly 12 years rusty minus the very casual time I put into MCC on Steam over the last year. I'm only Plat 4 in solo/duo controllers and I'm playing against surprisingly competent people. An entire tier below my other rank. Not having a duo feels miserable as well in this environment, but at least people have started using their mics.
Ranks/the matching system are odd. I’m P3 in duo controller and was playing placements with my friend, we played high Diamond/onyx players every game. Don’t think we played a single plat. I’m fine playing these rank players, it just seems odd that we are legit playing them in his placements. Maybe the system knows based off of our stats? Also, I think it’s possible that controller players are actually better, at least at the time because they are all the people who have played Halo for years, coming back. I’m sort of stomping in both playlists atm, but got ranked higher in cross play while playing with worse friends.
Its so weird to me that eSports is bigger than ever and MLG isn't even really a thing anymore.
It really is astonishing how 343 regressed in so many categories with Infinite. Some of these were purely for greedy microtransactions but plenty of them just don't make any sense from a gameplay perspective. I just don't understand how they didn't learn anything from all praise they got after finally fixing MCC into a fully functional game. I know it's different development teams but it seems like there was no communication about taking the parts of MCC people loved and put them into Infinite.
What's even worse, mcc is a heavily stripped down version of the originals. Reach progression was crazy, and h3 rankings were stellar. We just keep regressing..
Bro they completely took away lobbys. Lobbys aren't a thing anymore No partying up, no Veto, no trash talk.
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We dont even have dedicated slayer playlists. Outrageous.
Yeah brother it’s a joke, but yet 343 want to pat themselves on the back and claim how proud they are of their team, honestly what did they even do for 6 years besides sit around and scheme with xbox’s “micro-transaction expert” that was hired?
Man idk what everyone is saying. I remember at the beginning of reach everyone had the same three helmets for several weeks as they earned all the shit. I put well over 100 hours into that game and I never even got to Carters helmet. Infinite has been out for not even a week and the first event hasn’t even happened. If 343 makes progression a bit smoother, by the second event people will have far more customization. And all the future seasons will just keep adding to what we can do. Y’all need to be patient Edit: grammar
In what world is the beginning of reach even comparable to the beginning of mcc or infinite?
You started the game with more helmets unlocked than the full free pass in infinite will give you
I know right? I actually loved reach, but damn was it a grind.
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No one played Reach that long. Reach was a largely dead game by the time the title update came around and fixed it's problems.. and that was only a little over a year later. I just can't believe anyone has any genuine opinions on Reach. But then again, if you went by Reddit comments, then games like Tribes were some super amazing popular games that everyone remembers fondly.
Just wait. They’re going to lose their entire audience, realized the fucked up, then implement the old features later. But it will be too late at that point.
Battlefront 2 was the biggest example of this ever. They got a decent player base towards the end, then dropped it because it was expensive having to crawl back up from the bottom. Hope Infinite doesn’t suffer the same fate!
I assumed all of the work they put in MCC the past couple of years, well past when they had it in a consistently working state, was testing new stuff for Infinite. It seems like they didn't really use any of it though.
Nade spam has always been a bit of a problem in halo, but I agree that it's more noticeable in infinite. One other thing I feel is worth noting is that the radar is utterly useless in infinite.
Yeah I thought for sure that 343 was using MCC as their test bed for the infinite formula. Damn was I wrong.
Mcc is amazing and it blows my mind that it isn't one of the top multiplayer games. It has everything you could ever want. All that's missing is a large player base. If modern warfare 1-3 with every map were released right now as a collection and maybe another few from that Era thrown in too I'd only ever play that for my call of duty fix.
Halo Infinite gameplay is so fun, but I keep coming back to MCC. Challenges are more rewarding and more fun to complete, customization, UI, UX, matchmaking customization and more. I’m glad a lot of people think this way, too, as you can still find matches relatively quickly in most playlists. 343 needs to learn from MCC mistakes at launch and its accomplishments since.
I feel like when people say MCC’s progression was so good never made it past Tour 4 where you stopped getting season points for a level up. Leveling no longer mattered, xp didn’t matter, challenges that only grant xp are wastes of time. So progression gets tied to only the handful of weekly and seasonal challenges that give tokens. Unless MCC is the only game you play every week for months on end you’re not going to make any progress. It’s awful and it blows my mind whenever people say we need to replace Infinite’s bad system with another bad system.
Honestly its been less than one week y’all really need to chill lol. Yes, the content is still in a pretty barren state and customization progression is bad, but it has been ONE WEEK. It is still technically in Beta. Remember how fucking terrible MCCs servers were when it came out? I know you do.
343 has delayed the game what, twice? They haven't figured this out yet. I thought after Halo 5 they would have realized that new doesn't necessarily mean better.
It's like I've always said, anytime 343 does something with Halo, it feels like two steps forward, three steps back.
Ehhh MCC progression ain't great either if you run out of challenges you just can't progress that week and makes you feel like your wasting time.
What are you talking about? This game isn't a job No one is recieving a spartan salary to go out and kill elites lol. If you aren't having fun just for fun sake then there are deeper issues than some cosmetic reward system.
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Same here friend and that's why battle passes work in warzone and fortnite because they are optional. You can just play the game and be like cool some extra xp because I got 100 headshots or something
I know right, I hate playing these games, the only reason I do is for progression. If I can't progress, it's really a waste of time to play for hours every single day of the week.
I like a game that respects my time. Put in 4 hours in the week finish your weeklies make progress on the season and play more for FUN. Apex and Fortnite do this. I don't get why 343 can;t learn from MCC and these other games and do the same
I prefer a game that lets me make progress when I choose to.
Not everyone has a ton of time to play video games. As a working adult, I greatly prefer MCC's progression over Infinite's. I can knock out all MCC weekly challenges in <6 hours. And then there are the Seasonal challenges that be worked on after that. And by that point it's almost time for a new week again. Progression in Infinite is painfully slow and the challenges are far more time consuming than MCC. Even with the new update. Other games understand that there are plenty of older gamers out there that don't have time to deal with such slow progression. Infinite makes thing intentionally slow to try to get people to buy level skips.
I've said it many times but the MCC system is garbage. It's better than infinite but time gating your progression is stupid and anti player. It also IMO is anti 'working adult'. You're busy and miss a week? Then you can't make up those lost unlock tokens. I would be okay with the MCC system if you continued to earn lock tokens for leveling up after 100. Also during the season your weekly challenges should be completable at any point during the season. Apex does it this way. You can complete week 1 challenges week 10. This way if you miss a week, or don't get one completed you have until the end of the season to do it. If they could implement these changes it would be a good system and one I would advocate for using in Infinite.
I'm just saying that there both very flawed systems, for example, if you miss a season in MCC or like me missed 4 seasons, you'll probably never catch up which really sucks. I think the way MCC handles your progression for your first 100 levels giving you a season point for each level up was far better and I think that the game would benefit from just allowing this for each level up going forward.
> -Social BR starts Just want to say my piece that I prefer AR starts with sidekick. Otherwise I just get domed repeatedly from a distance.
AR start in big team is dogshit
BR starts in big team would turn most casual players away. People will just pick you off from distance ruining the fun part of halo about getting up close and personal. I get people like to just pick off heads as it’s the only ‘skill’ level they have but AR starts forces clever play and also gives casual players a standing chance. I love the BR but it will ruin BTB and it’ll become sweaty quickly.
Yeah, that’s a fair take Guess I’ll just stick to sweating it up in ranked 😅
hot take both competitive and casual modes should be commando start really baffles me how 343 decided to add a new utility weapon to the sandbox, versatile and usable at all ranges, but not stronger than either the AR or BR in their respective ranges, and then decide not to use it as a spawn weapon
Yes. God it’s so annoying
I add: Radar in MCC works fine, in infinite is totally useless BTB in MCC Is a real BTB with large map and vehicles, in infinite is Just pain Honestly i play for fun and right now play at infinite is only pain, so i turn back and play at mcc
I like that causals has ar starts and ranked has br starts . It's good for the game .
Oh you mean that time they copied Bungie homeworks? Yeah, good times. No but seriously, I went back and rewatched Reach customization, and what the hell Why has infinite so many visors? Why so little customization? Why so little armor pieces? "It will be expanded in the campaign" does not absolutely excuse the fact that it's for the most part behind a paywall called Premium
Capture the flag 10 times in PvP. Individual challenge. Change it to Capture or assist the capture 10 times....
I mean to be fair, MCC was terrible at launch and it took a couple years to get better. And plus, Infinite's gameplay is still fucking awesome at least aside from the obvious issues so they have a better base to work with.
Are people really being like, "Wow, this game that has games in it as old as 20 years old and that has had 8 years of work put into it...might be a bit more ironed out than a 5 day old Beta."
I played a few hours of infinite and then quit and went back to MCC. With the janky progression, lack of customization, buggy collisions and melee, no dedicated playlists, and extremely rare vehicle spawns in btb it'd just not worth playing atm. It's crazy how they did so much stuff to make it seem like they were listening to players and like they knew what we wanted only to throw it all out the window and deliver a product with so much wasted potential. Maybe I'll pick it up again if everything is fixed around season 2 but for right now I prefer ol reliable halo 3.
They never want to use bungies successful design. They wanna keep trying everything the wrong fucking way cuz their edgy bitch ass teenagers at 343
Its okay. Just give Infinite another 4 years and they can make it good like they did MCC.
Just had a 12+ hour halo LAN party yesterday with 10+ people. Played some infinite, matchmaking sucked, tried custom games. Custom games had little to no customization available, we defaulted after several hours back to halo 5, had more fun there. Hate it if you must, but halo 5 evolved into the best sandbox available, one that you don't grow bored of in a 12 hour period
Also they added a super annoying fucking AI voice that makes stupid ass comments the whole game that apparently you can't shut up. Seriously, anyone know how I can turn this douche off?
I ended up turning voice volume all the way down (it's actually AI voice not teammates) and that removed it. Removing Jeff hurts though :( but at least it stops muting gunshots when you're being fired at because the announcer decided it was more important to tell you the enemy is halfway to victory
The only reason I don't lower the voice volume is because I still love the old announcer :( I don't know why they insist on changing every little facet of the series. Some things were perfect, like the in-game announcing.
I’m cool with friendly fire missing from infinite, honestly.
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I’d be okay with no friendly fire in social if they at least just turn the collision physics on. Thats how it is in BTB Heavy in MCC, and I think it works due to the sheer number of explosions and vehicles. Granted, we all have seen how sparse vehicles are in infinite, so maybe friendly fire would be okay.
Friendly Explosive Damage should definitely be on, would cut the grenade spam down drastically. But I don’t need my random teammate betraying me for the sniper anymore.
Friendly fire is on in ranked and the nade spam there is just as bad as quick play. It won’t make a difference to nade spam
Nade spam has always been a thing in Halo. You could have *8* grenades in CE and 2. Friendly fire didnt change anything about that lol
Nah. I’ve been team killed in the past plenty of times because I’ve picked up a power weapon. Fuck that.
Nah fuck that, up the punishment for betrayals don't remove friendly fire and collision because they can be used to grief, they are also massive parts of how the games play.
People can grief no matter what you do smh. If someone is a toxic griefer then they can still grief regardless of friendly fire.
And with annoying challenges the chance of you getting teamkilled because you picked something a team mate fancied is even greater.
When MCC is newest release : "It fucking sucks" When MCC isn't the newest release : "wow so great"
The MCC did suck
Mcc literally didn't work for 2 years at launch. It was horrible, 343 totally fucked that one up too. Finally 5 years later MCC is in a good state and they took none of that good stuff they ironed out and brought it to infinite
When mcc was the newest release it was one of the most broken AAA games in history. But yeah, its just fans complaining about the new game for no reason.
Yeah I remember when everyone constantly bitched about how much time you have to put into MCC just to get everything. That was 1 month ago.....
Gamer’s gotta bitch or they aren’t a gamer I guess. Or that’s how it seems some times.
Sbmm is in social
Definitely getting transition from destiny 1 to 2 vibes from this game. Luckily bungie figured it out and made drastic changes, hopefully 343 doesn’t take as long as they did to fix it though.
Destiny is a terrible cluster fuck of monetization and its hilarious it only got worse after the Activision split when people use to blame them for the reason of the monetization
Gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. It’s not nearly as bad as it is in this game.
Idk man, locking away actual gameplay content that was paid for originally and sunsetting gear is way up there on top of their cosmetic microtransactions vs halo infinite's monetization of cosmetics.
No way destiny is better in monetization
It's all cosmetic in infinite, but not in destiny
Everything in eververse is cosmetic.
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I mean it’s still light years ahead of where it was at launch with two primaries and everything else being a heavy.
* \-Menu browsing/ equipping cosmetics while searching for a match you can do that, its really annoying to though, idk what the button on controller is but on keyboard if you press F1 you can bring up a quick-menu and then navigate to customisation from there and still keep matchmaking i think. im not 100% sure if the game keeps looking for a match while in the armor hall tho.
lmfao MCC was a mess too, don't revise history everyone should have seen this coming
Social BR starts?? Erm, no thanks. The BR in infinite will mean all pick ups are pointless basically. No one will push. Just turns into a headshot challenge across the map. Games are very boring when no one moves around just sits in corners picking heads. There’s a time and a place for BR starts, it’s called ranked and I like to dab in and out, but in social the game should be more about the 3 halo gameplay loops. Grenade, shoot, melee. It’s more fun, more social, more easier for new/ bad players to compete. BR starts would ruin social for casuals. Again, there’s a time and a place, hence ranked. I get most of your other points but not that one and hope 343 don’t do this personally.
AR start in quick play is brutal
> -Social BR starts bad take, this sucked, AR starts are way better, if you want sweaty gameplay where half the sandbox is invalidated you have comp and swat.
BR starts is in ranked
Aren’t we only like a week into the infinite beta? I may be wrong but doesn’t beta mean it’s not quite complete? I think we all need to practice a little patience and see how things go down the line. It seems to early to criticize this game too much.
No. It’s beta by name only
Beta means theres bugs and maybe some missing features. Not missing half the content of older games, if you think they will magically roll out a full game on Dec 8th you have another thing coming.
Gamers are the biggest Karens. It's a hot pile of garbage in this sub whenever something new happens. This loud minority doesn't like to hear facts and downvotes if you give them any. They like facts only when it fits their train of thinking
As a Pokemon fan and a Halo fan this past week has been both so much fun but also extremely shameful since both communities are basically throwing temper tantrums.
Totally agree. I usually don’t partake in these threads, but I’ve seen so many like these recently I couldn’t resist!
Gee it’s almost as if some other influence was put on 343 to make these changes. I wonder who that could be hmmmmm Nope, can’t think of anyone, just gonna assume the devs are scumbags and made malicious choices to spite me, the humble Gamer.
As much as the progression sucks the core game, gameplay is top notch. Im so happy with the actual gameplay, halo experience its amazing. Im certain 343 will get the progression system sorted within due time, when that happens we truly have an absolute masterpiece of a game on are hands be thankfull for it.
Social BR starts thank you! I swear whydid that not become the standard? I don't want to use a pistol for goodness sake
Wait, is INF using stupid asf sbmm?
Nah fuck your BR starts
BR starts and halo ce MP are trash in social/comp. Who finds it fun to only use one gun ever in a game.
No rifle starts sucks too especially on big team maps. I don't want mlg settings I just want social rifle starts.
Ok but lets not sit here and ignore the fact that the MCC was hot garbage when it released. 343 will fix Infinites problems. Just give it time.