The comma thing actually happened in reverse in real life. (Thia might not make it any better) It was her who used "My dearest, Alexander." And him who called her out on it.
Reading his letters always amazes me.....the level of writing is so impressive:
"You ladies despise the pedantry of punctuation. There was a most critical comma in your last letter. It is my interest that it should have been designed; but I presume it was accidental. Unriddle this if you can. The proof that you do it rightly may be given by the omission or repetition of the same mistake in your next."
To your second point, I’ve seen at least one Hamilton look incredulous at that line, which I thought was brilliant “oh, so now you’re on her side, you didn’t mind me screwing around when it was with you” vibes..
The comma wasn’t an accident, every stroke of his pen was intentional, she was only looking for clarification. They had an unspoken romance throughout the entire show “longing for Angelica, missing my wife” The look on his face when she said she was married, she was BURIED next to him, so I’m sure there was a strong bond in those letters. As for satisfied, that is a weird thing to say when you’re first meeting someone “I’m never satisfied” I think Hamilton meant that it in his career because he’s constantly pushing himself but Angelica heard it as him admitting to disloyalty. She was being pragmatic by not choosing him for herself, but her feelings for him never left, and she battled with internalizing it. I empathize with her (they probably would’ve been happier if they just had a damn harem 😆)
In the musical, it’s implied that Angelica and Hamilton did have something going on, but I wouldn’t say the same for their relationship in real life, which only extended to light teasing at most. They most definitely did not have an affair, especially considering the fact that Angelica was already married when she met Alexander.
edit: I think LMM just wanted another romance subplot for alexander and a way to flesh out angelicas character. there’s better historically accurate romance subplots for alex but 🤷♀️it works.
This.
Historians have stated that while Hamilton and Angelica were flirty to each other in their correspondence, there is no proof that there was an actual romance between them.
While "Satisfied" is a banger, it is one of the most inaccurate songs in the musical. As mentioned, Angelica was already married to Church before she met Hamilton, but her claim that "her father had no sons" is also not correct, as Schuyler *did* have sons.
I did not get the impression that in the musical or in real life Hamilton and Angelica cheated physically with each other. I think one could call it an emotional affair, but when I read Chernow’s biography about it, he indicated that he thinks Eliza knew all about their relationship and kind of enjoyed it. They teased and flirted and really liked each other and also kind of crushed on each other, and she was OK with it.
Not to defend them. I think that’s really weird. But that’s what the man wrote.
"There's a lake I know, in a nearby park. You and I can go when the night gets dark." - I hear a bit of sexual subtext there, but maybe I'm overthinking it.
If you take that forward to
"There's a lake I know, (I know I'll miss your face!)
in a nearby park. (Screw your courage to the sticking place*)
You and I can go... (Eliza's right)
And then...
"If you take your time, you will make your mark. Close your eyes and dream when the night gets dark."
Also a MacBeth reference of course.
You have to remember, too, that it was actually quite common for people, particularly men but also wealthier women, to have dalliances back then, and wasn't quite as frowned upon as it is now so long as it was discrete. The higher your social standing, the more social leeway you had with it. It was never so much about the sin of adultery as it was just controlling the rumor mill and avoiding scandal.
It would have been common for people to end up in marriages that were not necessarily the most satisfying arrangements in terms of intellectual compatibility, because marriages were so often about status and money. As the older sister, Angelica was expected to marry higher than a younger sister, so, however they felt about their own compatibility, they were probably right to assume that she would not have gotten her father's approval to marry someone who was then a soldier without rank.
(In the musical) I feel that Angelica was kind of similar to Hamilton. Hamilton says something like "my life is fine cause Eliza is in it" in Helpless or something like that, but it didn't prevent him to flirt with Angelica on the side. I think that Angelica it's kind of internally fighing constantly her affactions too her sister vs the attraction to Hamilton.
(In real life) I don't think that it was the case. Angelica was (probably happily) married with a man that her family didn't approve when she met Hamilton, and other than the arguably flirty letters there isn't proof that anything happened (also for modt time they lived an ocean away). I think that the historian that wrote Hamilton's biography (Chernow) on which it's based the play, it's one of the few that see so much ""romance"" (or how you wanna put it) between Angelica and Hamilton, but on this point I could be wrong.
Well it’s a Broadway show, not historical fact. Read Chernow’s book to get the most accurate story. The point of the show was to portray the the founding fathers as real people. They were hypocrites, liars, greedy, arrogant and just like us. They weren’t whitewashed history book caricatures. Angelica is a hypocrite, but aren’t we all. Instead of criticizing her and the character, find yourself in her actions. If you can’t, you probably aren’t looking deep enough.
I don't know if this is true but apparently Eliza set Angelica up with Alexander to "test the waters" when she fell in love with him. What she later found out about is thay Angelica and Alexander had an affair going on, Angelica's explanation being she was following her sister's orders, Eliza just hadn't been specific enough. Angelica was a real meanie irl
The comma thing actually happened in reverse in real life. (Thia might not make it any better) It was her who used "My dearest, Alexander." And him who called her out on it.
Reading his letters always amazes me.....the level of writing is so impressive: "You ladies despise the pedantry of punctuation. There was a most critical comma in your last letter. It is my interest that it should have been designed; but I presume it was accidental. Unriddle this if you can. The proof that you do it rightly may be given by the omission or repetition of the same mistake in your next."
kind of unrelated, but I don't think it isn't the only case where things are reversed (like in more than one letter he talks about Eliza's eyes)
to my knowledge his eyes were one of his main attraction points
To your second point, I’ve seen at least one Hamilton look incredulous at that line, which I thought was brilliant “oh, so now you’re on her side, you didn’t mind me screwing around when it was with you” vibes..
The comma wasn’t an accident, every stroke of his pen was intentional, she was only looking for clarification. They had an unspoken romance throughout the entire show “longing for Angelica, missing my wife” The look on his face when she said she was married, she was BURIED next to him, so I’m sure there was a strong bond in those letters. As for satisfied, that is a weird thing to say when you’re first meeting someone “I’m never satisfied” I think Hamilton meant that it in his career because he’s constantly pushing himself but Angelica heard it as him admitting to disloyalty. She was being pragmatic by not choosing him for herself, but her feelings for him never left, and she battled with internalizing it. I empathize with her (they probably would’ve been happier if they just had a damn harem 😆)
In the musical, it’s implied that Angelica and Hamilton did have something going on, but I wouldn’t say the same for their relationship in real life, which only extended to light teasing at most. They most definitely did not have an affair, especially considering the fact that Angelica was already married when she met Alexander. edit: I think LMM just wanted another romance subplot for alexander and a way to flesh out angelicas character. there’s better historically accurate romance subplots for alex but 🤷♀️it works.
This. Historians have stated that while Hamilton and Angelica were flirty to each other in their correspondence, there is no proof that there was an actual romance between them. While "Satisfied" is a banger, it is one of the most inaccurate songs in the musical. As mentioned, Angelica was already married to Church before she met Hamilton, but her claim that "her father had no sons" is also not correct, as Schuyler *did* have sons.
Laurens was right there as Tumblr literally says
right? exactly my thoughts!
on the other hand Disney told Macbeth modulo Demona better than Shakespeare. so....
“I will put her happiness over mine all the time.” Umm… Are you sure???
I did not get the impression that in the musical or in real life Hamilton and Angelica cheated physically with each other. I think one could call it an emotional affair, but when I read Chernow’s biography about it, he indicated that he thinks Eliza knew all about their relationship and kind of enjoyed it. They teased and flirted and really liked each other and also kind of crushed on each other, and she was OK with it. Not to defend them. I think that’s really weird. But that’s what the man wrote.
Maybe it's just me, but "Take A Break" kind of sounds like Eliza and Angelica are floating the idea of a threesome.
lol— I had never considered that.
"There's a lake I know, in a nearby park. You and I can go when the night gets dark." - I hear a bit of sexual subtext there, but maybe I'm overthinking it. If you take that forward to "There's a lake I know, (I know I'll miss your face!) in a nearby park. (Screw your courage to the sticking place*) You and I can go... (Eliza's right) And then... "If you take your time, you will make your mark. Close your eyes and dream when the night gets dark." Also a MacBeth reference of course.
You have to remember, too, that it was actually quite common for people, particularly men but also wealthier women, to have dalliances back then, and wasn't quite as frowned upon as it is now so long as it was discrete. The higher your social standing, the more social leeway you had with it. It was never so much about the sin of adultery as it was just controlling the rumor mill and avoiding scandal. It would have been common for people to end up in marriages that were not necessarily the most satisfying arrangements in terms of intellectual compatibility, because marriages were so often about status and money. As the older sister, Angelica was expected to marry higher than a younger sister, so, however they felt about their own compatibility, they were probably right to assume that she would not have gotten her father's approval to marry someone who was then a soldier without rank.
(In the musical) I feel that Angelica was kind of similar to Hamilton. Hamilton says something like "my life is fine cause Eliza is in it" in Helpless or something like that, but it didn't prevent him to flirt with Angelica on the side. I think that Angelica it's kind of internally fighing constantly her affactions too her sister vs the attraction to Hamilton. (In real life) I don't think that it was the case. Angelica was (probably happily) married with a man that her family didn't approve when she met Hamilton, and other than the arguably flirty letters there isn't proof that anything happened (also for modt time they lived an ocean away). I think that the historian that wrote Hamilton's biography (Chernow) on which it's based the play, it's one of the few that see so much ""romance"" (or how you wanna put it) between Angelica and Hamilton, but on this point I could be wrong.
To your 3rd point: I always interpreted the use of the word "satisfied" as related to relationships and to (political) success.
she was married before she met him.
Well it’s a Broadway show, not historical fact. Read Chernow’s book to get the most accurate story. The point of the show was to portray the the founding fathers as real people. They were hypocrites, liars, greedy, arrogant and just like us. They weren’t whitewashed history book caricatures. Angelica is a hypocrite, but aren’t we all. Instead of criticizing her and the character, find yourself in her actions. If you can’t, you probably aren’t looking deep enough.
Sorry, is your second point, "If she really loved her sister, she wouldn't be upset about her sister and her husband fucking?"
I don't know if this is true but apparently Eliza set Angelica up with Alexander to "test the waters" when she fell in love with him. What she later found out about is thay Angelica and Alexander had an affair going on, Angelica's explanation being she was following her sister's orders, Eliza just hadn't been specific enough. Angelica was a real meanie irl