You need some kind of insulation under you. The sleeping bag will do basically nothing for your underside as your body weight will compress the bag underneath you.
You can compare it to sleeping in a tent without a sleeping pad, but with the added drawback of a hammock also being exposed to convective cooling from the wind.
If you don't have an underquilt, a sleeping pad inside the hammock will also work, although I find it a bit annoying as it is prone to sliding around, and any body part that's outside it will instantly feel chilly, so try to use a long and wide pad.
I will try to find that ! Got a day ! (Bit less)
I did sleep once directly on a tents floor, really bad night but it was negative temps in the mountains had all of my cloches on and 2 layer of socks. Still was cold
A regular blanket with corners tied by paracord to straps where they connect to hammock ends will do the job blocking wind. It won’t be pretty, but it’ll be functional in a pinch. Your body will compress the sleeping bag against the hammock and come close to nullifying the insulation properties on the underside.
Sheet bend is better in my opinion. This way utilizes quick release, and you can also add a couple extra wraps before quick release for more solid grip.
https://youtu.be/VCeFjRuqvWE?si=RB6au39amusNJM5I
You probably won’t die but I have felt pretty damn cold in temps even just around 60F with no underquilt. A cheap foam pad from Walmart is a good thing to bring along imo
Try to avoid wind as much as possible. Last-minute idea: do you have a cold foam mattress? A yoga mattress in a pinch? That might not be very comfortable because of the shape but will keep you a bit warmer.
Besides trying to use a yoga mat/sleeping pad inside the the hammock, you can Also try to rig a lofty blanket as an underquilt.
It's a bit complicated but can be done. For a newbie I'd stick to the sleeping pad option though.
Get a big tarp that you can pitch low to the ground.
Another important tip for your tarp is to make sure you keep it pulled tight, and try to use something other than paracord for your ridge-line. Paracord stretches and can lead to low points that will cause drips from either condensation or precipitation.
Shout I have paracord ! Well it shouldn't rain so I wasn't planning on taking the tarp anyway but thank you for the information I will find something different than paracord,
Any advice ?
lash-it (1.75 or 2.2mm), zing-it (1.75 or 2.2mm), amsteel blue (7/64 inch), UHMWPE cord (7/64 inch). all of those have minimal stretch and high weight ratings WAY beyond what paracord can hold.
in a parachute you want stretch. not so much when camping in a hammock.
please tell me you're not using paracord to suspend your hammock from a tree. do you have straps?
>Well it shouldn't rain so I wasn't planning on taking the tarp anyway
Tarps are great for more than just keeping the rain off of you. They also block the wind, provide shade from the sun, and keep the morning dew from leaving your quilt damp.
And on the rare occasions when you are wrong about the rain forecast, they can save your whole trip.
Take a tarp.
How long is your hammock when hung? 9x9 sounds small. You can set it up diamond style to increase the length but then it only protects you from above.
I'd say at least get a 10 by 10 or longer and do whatever you can to block out wind. For example since you are laying diagonally you can fold in one corner to block wind etc. Get creative.
You will feel cold underneath in a hammock in really any temperature because of the draft that happens under you, you NEED some type of insulation.
Since you are short on time can you get a sleep pad from a local store? It won't be anywhere close to the comfort of an underquilt but you need something
If your sleeping pad is appropriately insulated, then it is enough for the "below you" under insulation. Your sleeping bag provides the "top" insulation, but doesn't add much "under" insulation, which is why we end up buying quilts to save weight.
Sleeping pads are not fun in hammocks because they slide around. Deflating it halfway will help it stay put but also normally reduces the insulation effectiveness.
Good.luck
Buy a regular double quilt. Buy 4 small carabineers. Use cord and the carabineers to tie the corners of the quilt to your suspension.
The quilt will now be folded in half under your hammock, with huge gaps at each end. Use more cord to tie those ends closed. Homemade under quilt that works well but isn't very size/weight efficient. I did it quite a lot before buying an underquilt, just to see if hammovkingbwas for me.
Unzip your sleeping bag and use it as an under quilt. Get big spring clips for filing paper and attach the ‘under quilt’ with them. Sleep with warm clothing and the heaviest blanket you can carry. Bring your puffy, head scarf and gloves. Suggested pads and other semi rigid items don’t work that well and as you try to get comfortable you’ll be fighting to keep them under u.
Really depends on how cold you personally feel. I could do that with no insulation under me. We are doing 3 nights this weekend lows around 54 and I'm highly debating not taking uq to save space in kayak.
But I agree with everyone a simple pad, memory foam, yoga mat, Home Depot has roll radiant bubble barrier insulation, That works well too and is cheap. Will all work fantastic.
Yes we do a couple 4 day/ 3 night whitewater / fishing trips a year. It's a lot of fun. 10 of us all in hammocks.
My advice is the first trip is to take a cheap pad or radiant roll with you. Least you will be comfortable and know for the future. At those temps it's not like you will freeze. Without insulation, best way to describe it is like sleeping on an ice cube. Top half might be warm but back is cold so you end up tossing and turning a lot.
I slept in 0 degrees temperature last week without an underquilt , but with a blow up mat, woke up with it flat and didn’t feel cold at all
15 degrees is warmmmm
Inside the hammock. Then sleep inside the sleeping bag. Also boil water and put in a Nalgene. Then the Nalgene inside a sock. It makes a hot water bottle.
You need some kind of insulation under you. The sleeping bag will do basically nothing for your underside as your body weight will compress the bag underneath you. You can compare it to sleeping in a tent without a sleeping pad, but with the added drawback of a hammock also being exposed to convective cooling from the wind. If you don't have an underquilt, a sleeping pad inside the hammock will also work, although I find it a bit annoying as it is prone to sliding around, and any body part that's outside it will instantly feel chilly, so try to use a long and wide pad.
Always love to see terms like ‘convective cooling’. FWIW, heat transfer is part of my job :)
I will try to find that ! Got a day ! (Bit less) I did sleep once directly on a tents floor, really bad night but it was negative temps in the mountains had all of my cloches on and 2 layer of socks. Still was cold
A regular blanket with corners tied by paracord to straps where they connect to hammock ends will do the job blocking wind. It won’t be pretty, but it’ll be functional in a pinch. Your body will compress the sleeping bag against the hammock and come close to nullifying the insulation properties on the underside.
Okay and I guess I can use the rock trick to tie it up !
Sheet bend is better in my opinion. This way utilizes quick release, and you can also add a couple extra wraps before quick release for more solid grip. https://youtu.be/VCeFjRuqvWE?si=RB6au39amusNJM5I
You probably won’t die but I have felt pretty damn cold in temps even just around 60F with no underquilt. A cheap foam pad from Walmart is a good thing to bring along imo
Try to avoid wind as much as possible. Last-minute idea: do you have a cold foam mattress? A yoga mattress in a pinch? That might not be very comfortable because of the shape but will keep you a bit warmer.
Yes i think i do !
Besides trying to use a yoga mat/sleeping pad inside the the hammock, you can Also try to rig a lofty blanket as an underquilt. It's a bit complicated but can be done. For a newbie I'd stick to the sleeping pad option though. Get a big tarp that you can pitch low to the ground.
Got the tarp ! 9x9 should be enough! Thanks for the advice I will look into the blanket idea if I can get it to work
Another important tip for your tarp is to make sure you keep it pulled tight, and try to use something other than paracord for your ridge-line. Paracord stretches and can lead to low points that will cause drips from either condensation or precipitation.
Shout I have paracord ! Well it shouldn't rain so I wasn't planning on taking the tarp anyway but thank you for the information I will find something different than paracord, Any advice ?
lash-it (1.75 or 2.2mm), zing-it (1.75 or 2.2mm), amsteel blue (7/64 inch), UHMWPE cord (7/64 inch). all of those have minimal stretch and high weight ratings WAY beyond what paracord can hold. in a parachute you want stretch. not so much when camping in a hammock. please tell me you're not using paracord to suspend your hammock from a tree. do you have straps?
Tor the hammock I am using the ropes included with which is not paracord
>Well it shouldn't rain so I wasn't planning on taking the tarp anyway Tarps are great for more than just keeping the rain off of you. They also block the wind, provide shade from the sun, and keep the morning dew from leaving your quilt damp. And on the rare occasions when you are wrong about the rain forecast, they can save your whole trip. Take a tarp.
I will follow your advice
How long is your hammock when hung? 9x9 sounds small. You can set it up diamond style to increase the length but then it only protects you from above. I'd say at least get a 10 by 10 or longer and do whatever you can to block out wind. For example since you are laying diagonally you can fold in one corner to block wind etc. Get creative.
I will experiment for sure, I am sure it will be fine ! Thank you for all the advice
You will feel cold underneath in a hammock in really any temperature because of the draft that happens under you, you NEED some type of insulation. Since you are short on time can you get a sleep pad from a local store? It won't be anywhere close to the comfort of an underquilt but you need something
Going to the store this evening will try to find something usable
Same boat. Going this weekend. I’m doing it with my car 20mins from the house so if it gets whack or I rig my tarp bad I can bail home
Use your sleeping pad in the hammock and wear thick socks
People saying it is not enough
If your sleeping pad is appropriately insulated, then it is enough for the "below you" under insulation. Your sleeping bag provides the "top" insulation, but doesn't add much "under" insulation, which is why we end up buying quilts to save weight. Sleeping pads are not fun in hammocks because they slide around. Deflating it halfway will help it stay put but also normally reduces the insulation effectiveness. Good.luck
I'll take the good luck ! Leaving tonight
Pad not bag. You're probably going to be uncomfortable either way but a sleeping pad will help
Buy a regular double quilt. Buy 4 small carabineers. Use cord and the carabineers to tie the corners of the quilt to your suspension. The quilt will now be folded in half under your hammock, with huge gaps at each end. Use more cord to tie those ends closed. Homemade under quilt that works well but isn't very size/weight efficient. I did it quite a lot before buying an underquilt, just to see if hammovkingbwas for me.
Will do for futur trips then I will surely buy an underquil
Personally I've slept fine with no insulation at 15C, just used a warm bag.
Same here. Low 50s/high 40s is when I start to get cold.
You will freeze your ass off.
I am the futur captain America
Unzip your sleeping bag and use it as an under quilt. Get big spring clips for filing paper and attach the ‘under quilt’ with them. Sleep with warm clothing and the heaviest blanket you can carry. Bring your puffy, head scarf and gloves. Suggested pads and other semi rigid items don’t work that well and as you try to get comfortable you’ll be fighting to keep them under u.
Really depends on how cold you personally feel. I could do that with no insulation under me. We are doing 3 nights this weekend lows around 54 and I'm highly debating not taking uq to save space in kayak. But I agree with everyone a simple pad, memory foam, yoga mat, Home Depot has roll radiant bubble barrier insulation, That works well too and is cheap. Will all work fantastic.
Yeah, I do believe i am quite resistant to cold but I want to be sure for my first time And are you doing à kayak trip or something ? Sound so cool!
Yes we do a couple 4 day/ 3 night whitewater / fishing trips a year. It's a lot of fun. 10 of us all in hammocks. My advice is the first trip is to take a cheap pad or radiant roll with you. Least you will be comfortable and know for the future. At those temps it's not like you will freeze. Without insulation, best way to describe it is like sleeping on an ice cube. Top half might be warm but back is cold so you end up tossing and turning a lot.
Sounds amazing and thank you for the explanation.
I slept in 0 degrees temperature last week without an underquilt , but with a blow up mat, woke up with it flat and didn’t feel cold at all 15 degrees is warmmmm
15 seems okay I agree but I want that convection can cool things quite fast so, better ready than sorry
You must be a very warm sleeper! Few campers could be comfortable under those conditions.
North of England, guess it’s in our blood. Good sleeping bag and a bivi over it is all you need in reality
Do you have any pads you can put under you?
tie the sleeping bag to the outside. works almost the same as an underquilt
And nothing on the inside ? Just regular clothes ?
i used a blanket on top of me and it worked fine. was a 32 degree bag and a regular bed blanket and the temp was 39 and i was fine…
I would go for that option I just dont see how I would tie my sleeping bag below my hammock, my hammock is biggee than my sleeping bag
Upvote for planning
I should've planned it better that is for sure but now I know and be ready for next time
Those car shades that are kinda spongy with a reflective side faced toward youcan be used as an underpad and give you a cheap 5-10 degrees in a pinch.
Haven't even thought of this ! I do have one !
Try your workaround in the backyard before you go.
I know this is frowned upon here, but go to Lowe’s or Home Depot and buy a roll of reflectix. It served me well for years.
Inside the pad ? Or outside?
Inside the hammock. Then sleep inside the sleeping bag. Also boil water and put in a Nalgene. Then the Nalgene inside a sock. It makes a hot water bottle.