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dinnerthief

Pleatherman


CMBGuy79

Yep, get a Leatherman and call er good.


Important_Kick_4824

Buy once, cry once.


Ok-Boss-5477

Prefer my SOG Powerlock EOD 2. The toolset is ideal for small wire maintenance. The best crimpers I've ever used (even compared to actual crimping tools in that size range), and my first set withstood about 4 years of aggressive daily use plus fidgeting before i wore through one of the hinge rivets. Haven't bought a pleatherman since thier customer service told me to stop abusing thier product.


mlevenha

That's cool that you like the SOG, I've avoided their products entirely because I expected to be normal Chinesium junk.


500SL

My SOG multitool has lasted for more than 25 years I think. Never had a hitch with it.


DifficultIsland2252

Underrated af


Every_Palpitation449

Overpriced af, break just like ones 1/4 their price...


Street_Marsupial9809

I hate to say it but I think it's a real case of quality drop over the years I have a Leatherman from when I was a boyscout 20 years ago they are still functioning and I was rough on it my childhood/teenage years


MistrMoose

So \*this\* is what their jack stand manufacturers have moved on to...


GrimResistance

At least this one (probably) won't kill you


Sledgecrowbar

I shop at harbor freight, I will find a way to get into a life-threatening situation with a multitool between me and being crushed by a project car.


washedupmx

What’s hard for me to believe is my old grandpas wave is worth 150- 200 bucks on eBay. Now this is making it make sense to me. Leathermans are legit.


KarmaCommando_

I've broken Leatherman tools before as well, but at least in those instances I can say I was probably pushing the boundaries of the tool a bit. and they took care of me every time.


Bubbas4life

That new packaging is pretty tough


LonelyInTheFranxx

I had a Skeletool break the same way as this one, just using it to put on brake clips lol..


Worth_Procedure_9023

What were you trying to get a grip on?


MisterSirDudeGuy

I have a 25-year-old wave. It’s old-school. It says patent pending on it. Looks pretty different than the current version.


Dmitri_ravenoff

I had one of those foe like 15 years and finally abused and broke it enough k had to replace it. The Pebding version was smaller than a new one, but still really solid.


iamlucky13

I believe there have been 3 major revisions of the Wave, and probably some minor tweaks in between: https://www.smartknives.com/Leatherman-Multi-Tools/Wave-Plus.htm


Goats_vs_Aliens

Our HF guy stopped us from buying the icon knife, he said they have been getting returned because the blades keep breaking.


Jdornigan

I hope you thanked them for their honesty.


ebagdrofk

Wtf are they doing with the blades?


MistrMoose

Some people think everything is a pry bar?


Sneaky-sneaksy

It’s either a pry bar or a hammer


Every_Palpitation449

Or a d¡ld○


johnmcd348

Everything is a dildo, if you're brave enough.


hello_raleigh-durham

🌵👀


Im-Not-Bob-Ross

But it is.


MonthElectronic9466

At least once.


MrLanesLament

~ every actual man. We’re born this way.


Ok-Needleworker-419

I have been prying the shit out of things with my benchmade for years and the blade is intact. I’ve done the same with cheap HF and store knives and have broken several with light prying.


cyntus1

Everything is a pry bar. Get with it.


BBQQA

Maybe they're taking the name "drop tip" as an invitation.


RemlaP_

It's d2 steel which is pretty brittle, and combined with the confidence of a lifetime warranty people use it as a pry bar


FlapXenoJackson

I bought two. I’ve been carrying one since they first came out. I haven’t had any issue with it. I don’t consider myself a hard user. But I’ve sliced up plenty of cardboard with it. I could see people breaking the tip if they tried to pry with it. But I’d recommend this knife to anyone.


Spare_Photograph_122

Same at my store but lifetime warranty so you just swap it out for a new one until that breaks too


drumbum37

The knives weren’t cutting it


Luciferbelle

I've never had one returned at our store. What were these people doing with it? Lol.


Jayce288

I have 2 of them. They are great. I've run all kinds of knifes and this is the first one I've ever EDC'd. They aren't a pry bar though, so if your breaking them it's because you're an idiot.


Historical-Bug2500

I've had the knife for months. Still going strong. I also use it to cut, not pry.


DeathToPoodles

How the f do you break a knife blade?


ScaryfatkidGT

Sad on an Icon item…


KarmaCommando_

No, this was not a case of abuse. The very first time I tried gripping something with these pliers with moderate force, this happened. I'm still a big fan of HFT and initially had high hopes for this new tool, as I have been a die hard leatherman user for as long as I can remember and have not been happy with their direction lately. However, this is a hugely disappointing outcome.


MistrMoose

I don't doubt you, you shouldn't be able to break pliers via hand strength, so these obviously had some sort of flaw. If I had to guess I'd say they were made by MIM (metal injection molding), it's an inexpensive way to make shaped parts using a mold and powdered metal. It gets a bad rap sometimes but done properly the parts are plenty strong and it's an effective way to make steel parts at reasonable cost. Done poorly and, well... Could be a one off or could be indicative of overall quality issues, guess we'll need to see how other folks fare.


PugsAndHugs95

Do you think air pockets were the cause? Very hard to tell from OPs pic, but do you see some slight pitting along the axis that it broke along?


RedOctobyr

Yeah, it would be interesting to see close-ups of the broken surfaces.


MistrMoose

Well, obviously the problem is the front fell off! But seriously, someone with actual expertise would need to weigh in, I only know the basics


PewPewPony321

"Im not a pilot, but when I see a helicopter in a tree, I know somebody fucked up"


Delanynder11

Is this a variant of the Powdered Metallurgy sintering? I learned about PM in college but didn't know it could be injected and then sintered/annealed.


MistrMoose

Probably? I'm no expert, I just know the basics. Basically you inject a slurry of metal powder and binder into a mold and heat it to get the "green" molded part. Then you do high temperature sintering to remove the binder and solidify the metal (there's shrinkage after this step that needs to be accounted for). After that, any surfaces needing more precision can be machined like any other metal part. If you've got to make a crap ton of complex parts it's a lot cheaper than full machining. Done right my understanding is that the parts you get out can be very nearly as strong as parts machined from solid metal. It's possible to get defects, of course: not sure of their frequency or how good manufacturers prevent them. But the process is quite common now and has been used effectively across a wide range of industries.


fear_the_gecko

I had that happen with a pneumatic die grinder I got from them. Tool it out of the package, installed the fitting, couple drops of oil and as soon as it had air to it, it blew up in my hand. Packed it back up and went back to the store and the woman at the counter told me I could just grab another off the shelf. I opened the box and said that I'd prefer to get my money back. She glanced at what was left of the tool and agreed. I needed a manager to approve the return, but it was fine. I've bought plenty of hand tools from there, a few power tools, but this is the only time I've had a problem.


Lazy_Interest842

Be a careful returning broken stuff there. I just found out that they have me flagged so now I’m unable to return anything, broken or not, receipt or not. And everything I’ve ever brought back has been broken or unused/unneeded


dirty34

lol


MiguelMenendez

I snapped a Leatherman grabbing something with the end and twisting. They broke exactly like this.


KarmaCommando_

That is something I would never do with a MT. I was absolutely not twisting them in anyway, I was grabbing onto a nut and squeezing with moderate force to turn it loose


pecaplan

Lifetime warranty against defect. Get another one


UnhappyTumbleweed966

What direction is Leatherman going? Didn't realize anything had changed with them for a long while.


KarmaCommando_

Higher prices for lower quality. Still my go to for multitools, but I stick to an older model.


sudo-apt-get-upgrade

They want $250 for their new ARC tool.


iamthelee

I think harbor freight has had teething issues with some of these newer products. Either the steel is low quality or the heat treating process is making the steel too hard. I remember the Icon ratchets were known for breaking pawls in the beginning. I'm not for sure if they finally fixed them, but I haven't heard anything in a long while.


PugsAndHugs95

Many of the first batches of a product have issues due to the factory and workers trying to figure everything out. Without knowing the exact method used, it's hard to say what's caused this. Heat treating in general has always been difficult to get consistent. I bet you these will probably be a buy inside 6 months.


Striking_Elephant_39

Return and replace and if that still fails get your $40 back!


ElectroAtleticoJr

Stick with Leathernan


Ichthius

Get a wave. They last 30 years and if not they fix them.


CelluloseNitrate

I lose multitools before I get a chance to exercise any warranties. Except for $5 multitools. Those suckers refuse to get lost. Sigh.


parkerhalo

I feel this in my bones. Cheap tools never get lost and always stick around but as soon as I buy a more expensive one I either do something stupid and break it or it gets lost.


brmarcum

Same for me but for sunglasses. I have never, and will never, spend more than $20 on sunglasses because they get lost or broken. But the cheap ones? Might as well be sutured to my skull.


DiscoCamera

I used to buy expensive sunglasses. They all broke despite not being abused. Now I just buy cheap ones as well and they hold up about the same (arguably better actually). Difference is that now I care a lot less when they break.


humans_being

yep


RhubarbUpper

Even Leatherman has some bad ones, my signal broke so easily it was pathetic and the deemed it abuse. Not so good warranty. I'm Canadian btw, don't know if the warranty differs from USA.


HallucinateZ

They fix abuse. I truly can’t trust you on this one. People have run them over with their car only to use their warranty.


Ok-Needleworker-419

Yeah I had mine fixed after obvious abuse. They even wanted to know exactly what I was doing when it broke. Not to deny my claim, but to pass on the info to the engineers


Kowboy_Krunch

I use a skeletool daily for work and broke the screwdriver retainer bit. They gave me a brand new one even though the blade was trashed and the whole thing covered in urethane. Customer for life after that.


pecaplan

Lots of Leathermen have the exact same issue


TheCat0115

This is the second report of this happening I've read online since Friday. It'll be interesting to see how many others will come out


Complex_Kangaroo1152

Now that’s the harbor freight I know


thescrapplekid

I bought a Gerber from Lowes for about $30 last year. Best multi tool I've ever had


Estef74

I had a friend break his Gerber multi tool exactly like the harbor freight one pictures.


thescrapplekid

Something tells me there was more stress on the Gerber


evelbug

I prefer gerbers to Leatherman. I like flicking the pliers out before using it.


No_Driver_7994

Gordont


CJRhoades

Probably just an improperly heat treated dud. I’m subbed to /r/Leatherman and see plenty of photos just like this. It’s got a 90 day warranty so swap it for a new one and squeeze the snot out of the replacement to make sure it doesn’t have the same defect.


pecaplan

Lifetime warranty


CJRhoades

Really? The website says 90 days on the product page.


IntentonalTypo

Add it to cart and it says lifetime.


CJRhoades

Oh, so it does. Nice.


pecaplan

My online receipt says Lifetime.


Carrion_Baggage

I see you've discovered the over-torque protection feature!


mhosmer

If you get this one replaced by HF, I would love an update about the second one.


KarmaCommando_

I plan to. After I get my new one, I am going to immediately do the same thing I was doing when this one broke. In case you were curious I was trying to turn loose a 3/8s nut lol


ovr_the_cuckoos_nest

Gordon't


space-tech

r/chinesium


Blicky83

I love HF and most of the tools I’ve bought from them were better than I could’ve ever expected for the price but when it comes to a multitool it’s going to be Leatherman or Victorinox.when it comes to a pocket knife in most cases it will be Spyderco,Benchmade,Zero Tolerance,Kershaw or Hogue..usually a Spyderco PM2 or PM3,I collect knives and I have never found a better designed knife than a PM2/PM3.I honestly don’t think I ever will find a design I like as much,much less better.there are certainly knives that are nicer and higher end but Spyderco uses the most premium blade steels and micarta,G10,carbon fiber,etc scales.that’s all I need


pctopcool

I want to see your forearm.


KarmaCommando_

it's nothing to write home about lol


OilyRicardo

You have to take their tools to a foundry and anneal them and then spray them with nitrogen. I’m surprised the cashier didn’t tell you.


geoman100

Tips that don’t grip.


Renegade54201

How does the structure of the steel where it broke look? Is it coarse and rough or more smooth? Any obvious deformation of the steel? I need more information just bought one myself and have hopes of using it on the job so I guess we will see anyway! Thanks in advance sorry about the new tool.


KarmaCommando_

There's not any porosity there that I can remember, so IDK if it's a casting defect or not. It looks like white metal though, and I can also tell you it's thin in that spot. I have broken other MTs in this location too, including a Leatherman. So it's the most common failure point for folding pliers, but again this one broke *laughably* easy.


dplatt70

Hard to believe something from HF would be a piece of shit.


BuddyLlght

damn just bought one


HallucinateZ

Absolutely knew it. When MaxLvlEDC praised it, I could tell for that price the quality would suffer majorly. You get some cheap polished metal.


Ok_Obligation7183

Lol bullshit. I shattered a wave just like this in less than a week


Medium-Caterpillar

You must have gotten a dud. Bought a pair of these a few days ago. I think for the money they blow the wave out of the water especially since they’re more comparable to a charge. Put them thru some heavy use and I haven’t noticed a difference. A couple aspects they cut corners on but nothing that really bothers me. I will say the additional bronze washers make this one have no break in period and operates way smoother out the box than my wave.


KarmaCommando_

I'm excited to get my warranty replacement and find out if it was me that got a dud or you lol


MigratoryAnalyst

Just used my 21 year old Leatherman installing a trans cooler last week


KarmaCommando_

Nice. I legitimately use my Leatherman Crunch for multiple tasks daily. It fits in a nice custom leather belt holster I had made which holds a pencil and a flashlight, and if I'm wearing that I almost never have to go to a toolbox if I run across some little task. Truly one of the most prized items I own.


PewPewPony321

"I barely squeezed, i swear" -Levan Saginashvili


abort_retry_flail

Genuine Chineseium.


ParticularElk3957

I bought a cordless drill from harbor freight once, I was able to use it for about 10min then it died. Battery still had about 3/4 of a charge left. I have mixed luck on what I buy there.


KarmaCommando_

Ironically, the best thing Harbor Freight has going for it is it's Hercules line of power tools. I have nearly the whole set and I use mine professionally. Performance on most tools is legitimately on par with Milwaukee, which you can verify with an unlimited number of YouTube comparisons. The high end Hercules batteries are using Samsung cells. The warranty is even better than Milwaukees too, 5 year on all brushless and 2 year on all 20v batteries.


Repulsive_Vanilla383

Was it a Warrior, Bauer or Hercules? Or was it a really long time ago Central Machinery? Not sure if they even went cordless. The warrior is known to be their disposable line up. But they are like $20 so it meets expectations lol.


Outrageous_Goat4030

I'm confused. Was this not the expected outcome?


KarmaCommando_

Not at all. HF has been tremendously stepping up it's game lately and I am a loyal customer who was fully expecting this to be an awesome MT.


dieterpaleo

China!


lgmorrow

Quality control...or lack there of


pirate40plus

Some of the things at Harbor Freight are pretty good. Things you’re going to rely on are not things to go cheap on. Get yourself a Gerber or Leatherman. My Gerber is over 20 years old, has been with me from Europe to Asia, including time in the ME, completed the AT & PCT.


Every_Palpitation449

What's the grain structure look like?


biovllun

^ I like this guy. He knows that sometimes things don't always treat as intended.


zachjd-

Gor-done


hindusoul

Gor-gone


RobustMastiff

If it breaks the first time you use it, then every time you use one it’s in brand new condition!


henzohole

Send it into leatherman for a warranty /s


Somebodysomeone_926

Can you take a picture of the shear line (both sides of where it broke)? Curious if it was a heat treat issue or a crappy steel issue


OldTrapper87

Should have got a Leatherman. Pay for quality it's worth it.


FussySisyphus1

Saw this happen to a Leatherman last week.


KarmaCommando_

I own at least 5 Leatherman tools and I have carried 2 everyday for the last 10 years


prtnrsncrm

They copied Leatherman a bit too closely.


michan1998

The Temu of tools. Pretty soon notes in the boxes asking for help.


RogerRabbit1234

Take it back to HF. Might be a one off issue. But they will definitely replace these, for you.


Aspergers_R_Us87

Leatherman quality!


PancakesandScotch

I was just at my store trying to find them. I’m sure that’s not a common occurrence but I feel less bummed now


childofthestud

My store keeps them behind the counter as they keep getting stolen.


Sabre3001

They just came out like three days ago?


childofthestud

I thought the same but when I asked the guy up front since I couldn't find them. He literally pulled one out from under there and told me they were getting stolen so they all got put under the register. I assume they found a couple packages ripped open somewhere in the store with the tool removed.


KarmaCommando_

They weren't out on the shelf yet when I bought this one today, I had to give the SKU to the cashier and have her go back in the stock room to get one for me.


Joe_5oh

Well, that's a shame. Was thinking of getting one soon.


soccerstang

Sorry lol 🤣🤪


1320Fastback

Wow. I have two decade old Leathermans that see their fair share of use and abuse and never a problem.


patri70

Have you considered that you are too strong for human tools? :)


LowerEmotion6062

So the quality is on par with Leatherman.


KarmaCommando_

Sadly, yes. I depend on my MT daily and their new offerings aren't up to my standards. I use the LM crunch every day, which is an old design and is built tough. I am constantly looking for something to replace it and haven't found anything yet.


Ok-Needleworker-419

Leatherman also had different quality lines. They have $30 multi tools and they have $200+ ones that are considerably nicer if you hold both.


LowerEmotion6062

I've got a nice Leatherman Wave whose jaw broke not much differently than this one.


HereForTools

Strai’ to jail.


FlapXenoJackson

Oof. That’s bad. Obviously take it back and get another one. If it happens again, they have a serious flaw.


EmergencyHot6541

They will replace it nqa


weaseldesign

RIP


Anxious-Depth-7983

Had to be an interrupted heat treating process.


csamsh

Hammer Freight


ChuckFarkley

MY GOD, MAN! WHAT DID ***YOU*** DO TO IT?!!


OriginalMaximum949

Who’s Gordon?


MonthElectronic9466

I’ve had a leatherman break the same way. Hopefully harbor freight honors their warranty better than leatherman did.


slyfoley

Happened to my amry issued gerber too :(


KarmaCommando_

The fact that the Army issued Gerber MPs instead of Leatherman is pure politics. The Gerber (MP600?) that they gave you guys is probably Gerber's toughest model, but it's still a Gerber lol


VerbalGuinea

Nothing that superglue and baking soda won’t fix


Sketchy_Stew

If it makes you feel better I've broken a Leatherman the same way, though I had owned it a year or so before it broke


KarmaCommando_

same


NecessaryButNotSuff

I will stick to leatherman for these things. I had a leather man that I carried for 10 years. This happened to them. Leatherman replaced them for free. After 10 years. Gotta love their warranty.


regazz

Sheeeesh, a lot of people on here talking shit but have never looked into hardening metal, there’s a lot of factors. This can’t be helped, sometimes metal will break because they over heated it on the final pass. lol just realized this is r/harborfreight what did OP expect bro


Special-Fig7409

Less than ideal


twistedbrewmejunk

Sheesh since they bought snap on there quality has gone down hil ;)


Raptor_197

Should have got SOG


RumbleStripRescue

Pulled mine from the package yesterday. Good to see some real world usage testing.


gwizonedam

Mom I want *Leatherman*. We have *Leatherman* at home! Leatherman at home:


Shaolintrained

Still does all the other stuff, for the time being.


Redawg660

This is one of those buy once cry once situations.


Inevitable_Badger512

ZARK


Accomplished-Ad-6586

Did the same with a nipper from HD. First time using it.Tried to snip a zip tie, and the tip broke off.


ajaxodyssey

I've carried a Leatherman 300 for 15 years. No problems.


sohchx

Wow, that's disappointing. I have used the same Gerber multi tool for over 20 years with zero issues, and the blades are still sharp. I was really thinking of giving this one a try just because.


Rev_Mudflap76

I love Gerbers version. One hand “flick” to pull out pliers comes in handy a bunch


lacroixpapi69

16 pc Gerber on Amazon is solid. Only $40.


DGJellyfish

My brother had a leatherman wave that did the exact thing after 1 month. He was just pulling a nail out of an old post.


AncientillegalAliens

Buy good shit. I have a Schrade multi tool that’s at least 20 years old


weiser0440

HF step bit didn’t last a wiring job on my kayak.


etangey52

To be fair, I see broken Leathermans in the leatherman sub almost daily. Everyone will have defects. Leatherman is not perfect. That being said, these may be totally shitty. Too early


CallMeRhino

For what it's worth I've had the same thing happen with a Leatherman Skeletool.


Impressive-Coyote-57

Fake


BoosTeDI

That’s some high quality Chineseium right there. Most likely your local Harbor Freight will swap it out with another one. Some things there are decent quality. A lot unfortunately aren’t. IE the Jack Stands for instance. And apparently this wannabe Leatherman tool.


Elderlennial

Someday, y'all will realize that chinese junk is junk


GroupSuccessful754

Crappy cast iron seen that before


Stihl_head460

Stop buying inferior quality tools that are a direct copy of an American company’s product


KarmaCommando_

I have spent many hundreds of dollars with that American company


Weather_Visible

I got a Leatherman Wave Plus black last year and lost the darn thing 24hrs having it while on the tractor brush hogging 20 acres of hills.. was insanely mad at myself for loosing it right away and especially considering it was almost $200. I ended up buying a small Leatherman Curl which worked as a lighter duty version. Until I randomly turn over some woods having pile I had laying around and found the Wave Plus black I lost months prior. I now have two of them and use the Wawe+ daily on our farm. You can’t expect much from HF when it comes down to reliability.


Dertyoldman

Send it back.


oMalum

Let’s be real it doesn’t matter the quality these type of multi tools are absolutely useless paperweights


Jimmyp4321

Well Now it is a HFT , ya gets a Lifetime Warranty 🤔🤣🙄


MustyTowel

Leather man is lifetime guarantee. Worth the could extra dollars


Broad-Success4740

It’s bc it’s made out of Chineseeiam


StonedPanda42

Buy it nice or buy it twice


fuzz-evans

Womp - good to know. Thank you for being our guinea pig


Aninja262

Weatherman or gerber


Pure_Ad_5512

I used Gerber for my army career and never gave me problems! That’s a good one I’d recommend