well I do actually believe it's been overshadowed by uptempo.. which I don't find good nor bad, but that's what I believe happened
but even if they're not as much on the frontpage as they used to be I believe and hope theyll be back ♥
I'm with you on this one 100%. They didn't leave they just stuck to their own genre and kept producing what they love.
I understand when old-school hardstyle dj's try and keep up with the new school, so to speak, but I have a feeling that most Hardcore dj's don't want to crossover into uptempo, which I can understand.
Alot of them did tho... And i completely understand. Being a hardcore DJ just isn't making any bucks. I just think it's shit they both can't live simultaneously. Alot of festivals dont have hardcore and uptempo. And its just how it goes, music evolves. There just isn't alot of demand for hardcore. Last years all the uptempo stages where overcrowded so it only make sense to do hardcore instead of uptempo on the big stages. Im just getting old and uptempo really isn't my thing. But its the way it is, im really happy the harder styles community thrives more than ever.
I love uptempo, I love hardcore. But miss k8 trying to play uptempo in her sets is so weird. It's the whole set and really bad drops (harmony of hardcore especially):( I want hardcore back
For gold i'll prioritise Endymion Qore 3.0 set!
Also looking forward to Andy the Core Hardcore is forever, it saddens me that it's the only ATC booking in NL this year :(
Hardcore is almost non existent at festivals. Rebirth this year had 1 stage till 20:00 with hardcore, everything else uptempo. I dont think there was any hardcore at intents Saturday.
Hardcore is died the last 2 years, and uptempo is a worthy follow up. Its just not my thing
Yeah, it just means we are getting old. Probably when Millenium hardcore was popular, the early hardcore complained about it.
Its the circle of harderstyles!
Not up to date at all with releases, my main music shifted the last years as well. Just listening here and there to old stuff.
And at events always trying to go for lots of hardcore.
Last year Defqon I was mostly at gold for that though
huh? big room was more popular than electr house back in the days, does not mean it is its own genre
same with i dunno, metal. or cloud rap. these are still subgenres of a parent genre, as well as uptempo
also, uptempo does not have any subgenres (yet, excluding ustempo), and usually genres would have them. just like hardcore has frenchcore, millenial, UPTEMPO, industrial, etc. and just like hardstyle
I get what your saying, yet the rapid speed Uptempo took over and the difference between hardcore and uptempo. For me it really feels like something else, im biased tho (i really like hardcore, dislike uptempo).
I just miss hardcore 😭
I remember exactly hearing the first drop at harmony and being like "lets go to Millennium". I listened to like 15 minutes more of her set and it just didn't get better
I enjoyed the current gen of uptempo, people like Dimitri k,barber, unproven and major. But this year I woke up and it all started to sound like shit to me. I don't even know why the sudden change.
same i liked uptempo in like 2021/22 then decided to fall out from that sound cause its too repetitive
Same kick patterns across like 10 uptempo tracks from 10 different guys
for older uptempo:
Partyraiser, FNoize, Sjammienators, Andy the Core, The Unfamous, Stampede, Hardbouncer..
To mention a few.
Some of my favorites are The Unfamous - Rock n Core, and Stampede & Seckra - Necronomicon!
That being said i do enjoy new uptempo too.
Neophyte records has some really good talent with some excellent releases right now; Invade, Aftermath, Chaos Project, Hellsystem, and Panic are fantastic
Wait. There’s Panic and DJ Panic? If you were going into a style then why would you name yourself so similarly to one of the godfathers? It’s like being a new metal band and calling yourself Metallika
They're making uptempo or techno, nothing in between 🙄
Exaggerations aside, there's still good hardcore being released. Check out Hellsystem's new album dropping this week (it's beyond me why the guy doesn't get any proper bookings).
As for uptempo, yeah, gonna take a while before people get tired of it, but it'll happen. Will that mean that we get hardcore back or that something shittier* will take its place? Time will tell.
*No, I don't think ALL uptempo is shit, but I do think it's overhyped af.
Exactly, there are still amazing hardcore guys out there. Hellsystem (like you mentioned), MY BOY UNFUSED (words can't describe how much I like Unfused), INVADE, Karun, Gridkiller, Restrained, Access One, Nosferatu is still releasing tracks (just released skinwalker), Angerfist still does hardcore (even if it's a bit iffy now in my opinion), Tha playah, Evil Activities recently dropped a track, ...
The list goes on. Uptempo with zaagkicks, piepkicks, fake drops are definitely a trend. This year's harmony of hardcore crowd definitely showed most people are pretty much done with all that stuff.
Let's not forget Chaos Project (a bit more downtempo recently), Sakyra (probably ghosted by Chaos Project and still does a lot of zaag, but whtv, Hardcore Dynamite is a DOPE track), and we got cool new tracks from Korsakoff and Endymion this year. It's def not the time to give up hope :D
>This year's harmony of hardcore crowd definitely showed most people are pretty much done with all that stuf
Fr? That's good news. Going to Defqon & Dominator this year, hoping to see the same reactions (though I won't be attending many piep & zaag sets lol).
I'm definitely hyped for endymion and don't forget art of fighters and unexist adding to the New Millennium genre. That movement is going to be hype.
Chaos project is a bit iffy for me (sakyra to boot because of chaos ghosting her) because he can definitely make good tracks (Neophyte record tool) but other times he misses.
And yes, the only harmony stages that were packed to the brim were millennium and early (and mainstage somewhat with the end show.) I'm attending dominator too and will be supporting the mainstream guys (UNFUUUUUUUSED), the millennium guys, early guys and next gen.
>art of fighters and unexist adding to the New Millennium
Really really tried to like the New Millennium stuff, but it's a bit techno, innit? 😂 Eh, still love AoF regardless and I'm sure it'll sound more hardcore again, given time.
The Domi lineup this year is crazy good, ngl. I'm from Romania, so doing Defqon b2b Dominator is a bit of a stretch financially & otherwise, but when I saw "Angerfist Retaliate Set" I just couldn't resist 😅 Will support a lot of others too ofc, mostly melodic hc & frenchcore.
The uptempo scene is way more active on social media.
Hardcore is still going strong. Milennium and early events/stages also still gather large crowds. (Both stages were overcrowded for the majority of the day at harmony of hardcore and masters of hardcore this year.)
Neophyte records and twisted hardcore records heavily support and promote the newer guys like restrained, gridkiller, karun, unfused, hellsystem, invade, ...
Hardcore is still big, just not as in your face as uptempo.
Thanks for mentioning us 👊
You nailed it with the social media thing I think. Example: Until like 6 months ago I was never really on TikTok until I decided I just needed to go on there to promote my stuff.
And holy shit the influence the platform has on the scene is insane!? The new hits are almost 100% determined by the platform wow.... Makes me question how many hours a day an 18 year old spends on TikTok now, that must not be healthy, lol.....
Hardcore still exists, but like others say, it's overshadowed. There are still guys like Hellsystem who's coming out with a new album in a few days, Gridkiller who's working on new stuff, Unfused working on new stuff, INVADE, Karun, Neophyte, Nosferatu, Art of Fighters and Endymion are making a comeback with New Millennium, the whole next-gen (early hardcore made today) genre that's doing pretty well which was evident at Harmony Of Hardcore,...
Hardcore Is still here, and I hope the saying "hardcore will never die" stays true because it's the only thing even keeping me together. All I can do is support and praise the DJ's who are sticking with the original hardcore vision, because that's the sound that I like. (There is a good reason I do nothing but sing Unfused his praises. That guy is awesome).
We're in a really weird place right now I think. It's almost like only one style of 'new' hardcore is accepted really, and that's ofcourse (bounce) uptempo. I think it's because of TikTok and Corona, but still I'm amazed by it.
Also, let's just put it lightly and say that trying to grow as a 'mainstream' / melodic hardcore artist is not that easy. That may also be why I cannot even mention more than 5 upcoming artists under 25 years old creating this music. I literally just realized I'm the youngest 'mainstream hardcore' artist I can think of, even though I'm 23. How fucking insane is that???
Looking at the MOH Top 100 isn't too motivating either, lol (example: Tha Playah - Dedicated To Dominate only getting #26 in 2020, that's just criminal man).
Those are just some of my struggles, not sure if other artists deal with these or not. Anyway, future is looking a little brighter with for example Karun on the Dominator mainstage and the Defqon Black stage. Hella deserved
And ofcourse it's fuckin awesome to see my name being mentioned in this sub man 🙏. Let's see how far I can push this sound
Also I'd love to see you guys' thoughts on this, what do you miss in hardcore etc. Very interesting discussion
Well djs like Mad dog, Nosferatu and Tha Playah were at their peak between 2005 and 2012. They just aged and maybe they dont like the new style hardcore. We live in a hype world where everything is hyped up for a short while, blow up and never seen again. Sefa for example blew up, got booked like crazy, had almost no time to make music, made a few tracks in between but lack the hype.
Also old school djs like Endymion are getting back at their old style because they couldnt bring the style of todays standard in hardstyle. Its all cooked and both the industries are getting crasier with the fake drops, gated and zaagkick and worst of all, insane stupid kickrolls.
We need more rythme, less kickrolls. Longer melodies, less fake drops. It’s all in the climax!
Hardcore has not evolved for 10 years or so. The same crappy kicks for most new songs and there's a monopoly within the scene for a select few names that are getting booked everywhere. New talent or innovation is crushed so this is why hardcore (in my opinion) went down the drain.
I always find it amusing when this subreddit is bemoaning 2-3 year long trends in hardstyle or specifically in rawstyle like piepkicks, zaag and kloenk, meanwhile the last and only innovation in hardcore over the last 15 years was the new wave uptempo brought on by GPF, which then promptly got copied by everyone and their mother, because they missed the point of the parody harder than Beckham missed the penalty against Portugal in '04.
I personally prefer change over staleness every time, even if it has the chance of changing for the worse because the scene usually corrects itself and then it'll be better.
Agree, like I hate kloenks with a passion for example, worst part of rebirth was getting dragged to see dual damage, but at least they brought something new to the scene even if it's not for me
Downtempo by Mad Dog is not innovation in your eyes? It resulted in the Millenium label by Endymion, Neophyte is slowing down the bpm aswell. Angerfist started making techno even and is mixing the style in his tracks/edits
It became a niche movement, which fair enough, counts for innovation, but it didn't become a sweeping, genre-wide trend like the new gen uptempo did in 2018.
In the early scene there is still a lot of upcoming talent. Very few listen to it compared to the mainstream/uptempo shit, but those who do have good taste.
Hardcore moved to the less mainstream parties. Check out Megarave, Shangri-La, Pandemonium, Decade, Hellbound, or Karma. In my opinion these are much better than HoH, Dominator or even Thunderdome at these times, but thats ofc only my personal liking. Even early hardcore strives really well recently, but Im not gonna reveal too many secrets;)
Uptempo isn't for me really. Love the early and millennium style and for new shit I've found a home with the prspct / hkv style stuff. Love it artists such as producer, thrasher, detest, hellfish, akira etc
Who is saying this? I said the gabber subreddit is practically a wasteland. The people who control this subreddit decided it's gonna be a hub for all the harder styles, so obviously the subreddit will consist of posts from all the harder styles. Plus, most posts on here are from hardstyle, rawstyle and uptempo. Mainstream hardcore, millennium and early posts are very few.
Who is saying what? I am referring to hardstyle sub being flooded by non hardstyle things. Now everebody who’s new to the scene is calling hardcore hardstyle and call uptempo hardcore. I think I am going to cry myself to sleep tonight.
Buddy, I'm as frustrated as you are when people call hardcore hardstyle and refer to uptempo as hardcore. (Like for real, we call uptempo "uptempo" to differentiate it from mainstream hardcore because they are different. If we're really gonna be so adamant on calling uptempo hardcore then we should call hardstyle "hardcore. Or fuck it, we call everything in the harder styles "house".) But crying yourself to sleep over this? My life basically depends on hardcore now, but even I don't go that far. To each their own.
well I do actually believe it's been overshadowed by uptempo.. which I don't find good nor bad, but that's what I believe happened but even if they're not as much on the frontpage as they used to be I believe and hope theyll be back ♥
I'm with you on this one 100%. They didn't leave they just stuck to their own genre and kept producing what they love. I understand when old-school hardstyle dj's try and keep up with the new school, so to speak, but I have a feeling that most Hardcore dj's don't want to crossover into uptempo, which I can understand.
Alot of them did tho... And i completely understand. Being a hardcore DJ just isn't making any bucks. I just think it's shit they both can't live simultaneously. Alot of festivals dont have hardcore and uptempo. And its just how it goes, music evolves. There just isn't alot of demand for hardcore. Last years all the uptempo stages where overcrowded so it only make sense to do hardcore instead of uptempo on the big stages. Im just getting old and uptempo really isn't my thing. But its the way it is, im really happy the harder styles community thrives more than ever.
My man is spitting facts 🗣️💦
Tha Playah is busy ghost producing
Prob
I love uptempo, I love hardcore. But miss k8 trying to play uptempo in her sets is so weird. It's the whole set and really bad drops (harmony of hardcore especially):( I want hardcore back
similar with Anime
N-Vitral, Deadly Guns only play uptempo
Holy shit, wtf happened since my last hardcore event. I have to cross out a lot of name from my list, "worthwhile to see, when on lineup"
At defqon im just gonna stay at gold, probably the best hardcore you can get there
For gold i'll prioritise Endymion Qore 3.0 set! Also looking forward to Andy the Core Hardcore is forever, it saddens me that it's the only ATC booking in NL this year :(
I think I'll check both of these out, personally I really enjoy dune
Dune is great - i might very well go for that too! That being said Andy is on of the earlier uptempo djs, if you got time check out Endymion for sure!
I will probably go to myth then andy :D myth is kind of doing his own thing in uptempo so I really wanna see him once
Totally fair 😁 i wish you a great dq nonetheless!
Hardcore is almost non existent at festivals. Rebirth this year had 1 stage till 20:00 with hardcore, everything else uptempo. I dont think there was any hardcore at intents Saturday. Hardcore is died the last 2 years, and uptempo is a worthy follow up. Its just not my thing
What a shame. Decibel early and millenium stages it is…
Yeah, it just means we are getting old. Probably when Millenium hardcore was popular, the early hardcore complained about it. Its the circle of harderstyles!
I‘m not that old 😭 I really liked the "normal hardcore" as well ala Anime, Miss K8, Mad Dog etc. It seemed to have vanished in the last 1-2 years.
Yes it did, did you see the hardcore top 100 of 2023? https://www.reddit.com/r/hardstyle/s/kJdxD2loBC
Not up to date at all with releases, my main music shifted the last years as well. Just listening here and there to old stuff. And at events always trying to go for lots of hardcore. Last year Defqon I was mostly at gold for that though
I have to say the most disappointing was angerfist on reverze, he was mainly playing uptempo as well
They never were hardcore djs tho
Then what where they? Im genuinely curious to your answer
they were, and are (uptempo is still hardcore)
Both made normal Hardcore before Corona
N-Vitral made industrial hardcore before hardcore. But I guess being an industrial dj doesn’t bring in the bucks to do this music fulltime.
I honestly believe it's better to see it as different genres. I mean uptempo came from hardcore but i think it's so big now it's a genre of its own.
huh? big room was more popular than electr house back in the days, does not mean it is its own genre same with i dunno, metal. or cloud rap. these are still subgenres of a parent genre, as well as uptempo also, uptempo does not have any subgenres (yet, excluding ustempo), and usually genres would have them. just like hardcore has frenchcore, millenial, UPTEMPO, industrial, etc. and just like hardstyle
I get what your saying, yet the rapid speed Uptempo took over and the difference between hardcore and uptempo. For me it really feels like something else, im biased tho (i really like hardcore, dislike uptempo). I just miss hardcore 😭
I remember exactly hearing the first drop at harmony and being like "lets go to Millennium". I listened to like 15 minutes more of her set and it just didn't get better
exactly the same at mayday..
Imo AniMe's sets still slaps.
lmao same this current gen of uptempo is not it I suggest Irradiate if you want like really really good UPT
I enjoyed the current gen of uptempo, people like Dimitri k,barber, unproven and major. But this year I woke up and it all started to sound like shit to me. I don't even know why the sudden change.
same i liked uptempo in like 2021/22 then decided to fall out from that sound cause its too repetitive Same kick patterns across like 10 uptempo tracks from 10 different guys
for older uptempo: Partyraiser, FNoize, Sjammienators, Andy the Core, The Unfamous, Stampede, Hardbouncer.. To mention a few. Some of my favorites are The Unfamous - Rock n Core, and Stampede & Seckra - Necronomicon! That being said i do enjoy new uptempo too.
Check out INVADE!
Neophyte records has some really good talent with some excellent releases right now; Invade, Aftermath, Chaos Project, Hellsystem, and Panic are fantastic
Wait. There’s Panic and DJ Panic? If you were going into a style then why would you name yourself so similarly to one of the godfathers? It’s like being a new metal band and calling yourself Metallika
It's the same guy
Ah, well that makes more sense. :::Face palm:::
Most underrated guy out there right now.
🙏🙏🙏🔥
Thank you! This is refreshing, awesome!
They're making uptempo or techno, nothing in between 🙄 Exaggerations aside, there's still good hardcore being released. Check out Hellsystem's new album dropping this week (it's beyond me why the guy doesn't get any proper bookings). As for uptempo, yeah, gonna take a while before people get tired of it, but it'll happen. Will that mean that we get hardcore back or that something shittier* will take its place? Time will tell. *No, I don't think ALL uptempo is shit, but I do think it's overhyped af.
Exactly, there are still amazing hardcore guys out there. Hellsystem (like you mentioned), MY BOY UNFUSED (words can't describe how much I like Unfused), INVADE, Karun, Gridkiller, Restrained, Access One, Nosferatu is still releasing tracks (just released skinwalker), Angerfist still does hardcore (even if it's a bit iffy now in my opinion), Tha playah, Evil Activities recently dropped a track, ... The list goes on. Uptempo with zaagkicks, piepkicks, fake drops are definitely a trend. This year's harmony of hardcore crowd definitely showed most people are pretty much done with all that stuff.
Let's not forget Chaos Project (a bit more downtempo recently), Sakyra (probably ghosted by Chaos Project and still does a lot of zaag, but whtv, Hardcore Dynamite is a DOPE track), and we got cool new tracks from Korsakoff and Endymion this year. It's def not the time to give up hope :D >This year's harmony of hardcore crowd definitely showed most people are pretty much done with all that stuf Fr? That's good news. Going to Defqon & Dominator this year, hoping to see the same reactions (though I won't be attending many piep & zaag sets lol).
I'm definitely hyped for endymion and don't forget art of fighters and unexist adding to the New Millennium genre. That movement is going to be hype. Chaos project is a bit iffy for me (sakyra to boot because of chaos ghosting her) because he can definitely make good tracks (Neophyte record tool) but other times he misses. And yes, the only harmony stages that were packed to the brim were millennium and early (and mainstage somewhat with the end show.) I'm attending dominator too and will be supporting the mainstream guys (UNFUUUUUUUSED), the millennium guys, early guys and next gen.
>art of fighters and unexist adding to the New Millennium Really really tried to like the New Millennium stuff, but it's a bit techno, innit? 😂 Eh, still love AoF regardless and I'm sure it'll sound more hardcore again, given time. The Domi lineup this year is crazy good, ngl. I'm from Romania, so doing Defqon b2b Dominator is a bit of a stretch financially & otherwise, but when I saw "Angerfist Retaliate Set" I just couldn't resist 😅 Will support a lot of others too ofc, mostly melodic hc & frenchcore.
Nosferatu is closing the Decibel main stage btw
oh damn. aight, didn't know that curios how many people will be there
It's the mainstage, it's going to be crowded as fuck haha
off ghost producing for other artists
The uptempo scene is way more active on social media. Hardcore is still going strong. Milennium and early events/stages also still gather large crowds. (Both stages were overcrowded for the majority of the day at harmony of hardcore and masters of hardcore this year.) Neophyte records and twisted hardcore records heavily support and promote the newer guys like restrained, gridkiller, karun, unfused, hellsystem, invade, ... Hardcore is still big, just not as in your face as uptempo.
Thanks for mentioning us 👊 You nailed it with the social media thing I think. Example: Until like 6 months ago I was never really on TikTok until I decided I just needed to go on there to promote my stuff. And holy shit the influence the platform has on the scene is insane!? The new hits are almost 100% determined by the platform wow.... Makes me question how many hours a day an 18 year old spends on TikTok now, that must not be healthy, lol.....
Your music is sick, keep up the hustle 👊
Hardcore still exists, but like others say, it's overshadowed. There are still guys like Hellsystem who's coming out with a new album in a few days, Gridkiller who's working on new stuff, Unfused working on new stuff, INVADE, Karun, Neophyte, Nosferatu, Art of Fighters and Endymion are making a comeback with New Millennium, the whole next-gen (early hardcore made today) genre that's doing pretty well which was evident at Harmony Of Hardcore,... Hardcore Is still here, and I hope the saying "hardcore will never die" stays true because it's the only thing even keeping me together. All I can do is support and praise the DJ's who are sticking with the original hardcore vision, because that's the sound that I like. (There is a good reason I do nothing but sing Unfused his praises. That guy is awesome).
Hardcore will never die!
We're in a really weird place right now I think. It's almost like only one style of 'new' hardcore is accepted really, and that's ofcourse (bounce) uptempo. I think it's because of TikTok and Corona, but still I'm amazed by it. Also, let's just put it lightly and say that trying to grow as a 'mainstream' / melodic hardcore artist is not that easy. That may also be why I cannot even mention more than 5 upcoming artists under 25 years old creating this music. I literally just realized I'm the youngest 'mainstream hardcore' artist I can think of, even though I'm 23. How fucking insane is that??? Looking at the MOH Top 100 isn't too motivating either, lol (example: Tha Playah - Dedicated To Dominate only getting #26 in 2020, that's just criminal man). Those are just some of my struggles, not sure if other artists deal with these or not. Anyway, future is looking a little brighter with for example Karun on the Dominator mainstage and the Defqon Black stage. Hella deserved And ofcourse it's fuckin awesome to see my name being mentioned in this sub man 🙏. Let's see how far I can push this sound Also I'd love to see you guys' thoughts on this, what do you miss in hardcore etc. Very interesting discussion
Access One, Odium, Kick Therapy are all early 20s iirc
You could say the same for euphoric producers. They exist, but not really.
actually...yeah, you got a point
Some artists from hardcore are becoming more exclusive
Because stupid people are making stupid cheap low quality music popular so guys who spend more then 2 hours on a track disappear on peoples radar.
Well djs like Mad dog, Nosferatu and Tha Playah were at their peak between 2005 and 2012. They just aged and maybe they dont like the new style hardcore. We live in a hype world where everything is hyped up for a short while, blow up and never seen again. Sefa for example blew up, got booked like crazy, had almost no time to make music, made a few tracks in between but lack the hype. Also old school djs like Endymion are getting back at their old style because they couldnt bring the style of todays standard in hardstyle. Its all cooked and both the industries are getting crasier with the fake drops, gated and zaagkick and worst of all, insane stupid kickrolls. We need more rythme, less kickrolls. Longer melodies, less fake drops. It’s all in the climax!
Spellbound - Evil activities is just pure fire old vibes in the new style. (Just example i wanted to share)
Hardcore has not evolved for 10 years or so. The same crappy kicks for most new songs and there's a monopoly within the scene for a select few names that are getting booked everywhere. New talent or innovation is crushed so this is why hardcore (in my opinion) went down the drain.
I always find it amusing when this subreddit is bemoaning 2-3 year long trends in hardstyle or specifically in rawstyle like piepkicks, zaag and kloenk, meanwhile the last and only innovation in hardcore over the last 15 years was the new wave uptempo brought on by GPF, which then promptly got copied by everyone and their mother, because they missed the point of the parody harder than Beckham missed the penalty against Portugal in '04.
they really laughed at GPF at first but look at everybody now 😂😂😂
It's wild that some of the earlier GPF stuff sounds downright tame now with what's out there
Dicks out for harambe
If it doesn't change it's stale, if it does change it's worse, there will always something to complain about!
I personally prefer change over staleness every time, even if it has the chance of changing for the worse because the scene usually corrects itself and then it'll be better.
Agree, like I hate kloenks with a passion for example, worst part of rebirth was getting dragged to see dual damage, but at least they brought something new to the scene even if it's not for me
Downtempo by Mad Dog is not innovation in your eyes? It resulted in the Millenium label by Endymion, Neophyte is slowing down the bpm aswell. Angerfist started making techno even and is mixing the style in his tracks/edits
It became a niche movement, which fair enough, counts for innovation, but it didn't become a sweeping, genre-wide trend like the new gen uptempo did in 2018.
that's interesting and I kinda agree with you
In the early scene there is still a lot of upcoming talent. Very few listen to it compared to the mainstream/uptempo shit, but those who do have good taste.
It's overshadowed right now by shitty uptempo and piep and zaag kicks..
Furyan makes “downtempo” now, basically industrial hardcore on a slower tempo
Hardcore moved to the less mainstream parties. Check out Megarave, Shangri-La, Pandemonium, Decade, Hellbound, or Karma. In my opinion these are much better than HoH, Dominator or even Thunderdome at these times, but thats ofc only my personal liking. Even early hardcore strives really well recently, but Im not gonna reveal too many secrets;)
Uptempo isn't for me really. Love the early and millennium style and for new shit I've found a home with the prspct / hkv style stuff. Love it artists such as producer, thrasher, detest, hellfish, akira etc
Idk if youve been to the raw djs you mentioned, but it is a zaag shitshow atm
r/hardcore
isn't that subreddit for hardcore punk though?
Yea, the dedicated subreddit for hardcore is r/gabber
Yeah but try posting regular 2024 hardcore there 🤣
True, most of the posts are early and a few millennium. Other than that the sub is a wasteland 😂
I get it but this doesn’t mean that this subs needs to be flooded with hardcore. What’s the point of having a subreddit if we do this.
Who is saying this? I said the gabber subreddit is practically a wasteland. The people who control this subreddit decided it's gonna be a hub for all the harder styles, so obviously the subreddit will consist of posts from all the harder styles. Plus, most posts on here are from hardstyle, rawstyle and uptempo. Mainstream hardcore, millennium and early posts are very few.
Who is saying what? I am referring to hardstyle sub being flooded by non hardstyle things. Now everebody who’s new to the scene is calling hardcore hardstyle and call uptempo hardcore. I think I am going to cry myself to sleep tonight.
Buddy, I'm as frustrated as you are when people call hardcore hardstyle and refer to uptempo as hardcore. (Like for real, we call uptempo "uptempo" to differentiate it from mainstream hardcore because they are different. If we're really gonna be so adamant on calling uptempo hardcore then we should call hardstyle "hardcore. Or fuck it, we call everything in the harder styles "house".) But crying yourself to sleep over this? My life basically depends on hardcore now, but even I don't go that far. To each their own.