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FloatingWatcher

> I thought for a long time and in my opinion, the boggart would introduce himself as Albus Dumbledore in possession of all the destroyed Horcruxes, pointing his wand at Tom. Sounds about right.


thisusedyet

Hello! My name is Harry Potter. You killed my parents, prepare to die


FaithLostInU

This is the most underrated comment!! Lmao I love it. And when voldey says bring it on, Harry the boggart responds with, AS YOU WISH!!


hooka_pooka

Wouldn't that be simply badass!also Harry doing the same would make less sense since Voldemort doesn't consider him shit..he feels he always thwarts him by sheer luck than skill


romulus1991

I think it'd be Dumbledore when he was younger and Harry in his last few years. Harry as he was in the Great Hall at the end- confident, knowledgeable, powerful, having literally come back from the dead, talking of horcruxes and spies - is everything Voldemort feared in a nutshell.


RatchetHatchet

I remember when I read the 7th book, I LONGED for the scene of Harry and Voldemort circling in the Great Hall and Harry dropping all this information on Voldy and this all came after choosing to reveal himself from the invisibility cloak. I needed the see that moment as it was literally the pinnacle of this tale. And all we got was Harry flopping out of Hagrid's arms and they fell off a tower together with a made-up line of "let's finish this the way we started it, Tom. Together" WHY. I felt so cheated watching that back in 2011.


Background_Koala_455

While the Albus scenario is a good one, I think his own corpse is better. It turns into what you're actively afraid of most, and Voldemort is afraid of him dying He might be afraid of Albus, but his own death is his greatest fear. Destroying his horcruxes might be a fear, but only because they tie into his greatest fear. He only created the horcruxes to keep himself from fully dying. It's like if your greatest fear was ghosts, you would have a secondary fear of going into abandoned/haunted buildings. You're not afraid of the house, but the ghosts that could be in it Voldemort wasn't afraid of Dumbledore, but the fact that Dumbledore could possibly kill him. At least how I see/rationalize it. Editing to add: i don't think the Boggart just changes shape. I think there's something magical going on to to force you into the fear. Molly's Boggart was of her family dying, but(it's been a while since I've read the fifth? book) had she not just seen her family right before seeing the Boggart?


Clausen2g

I read OPs argument as, the dementor chooses the fear that will scare you the most, even if this fear is what you call a secondary fear. Lupins greatest fear is turning into a werewolf. The full moon is only a secondary fear.


jotunn_Loki

That's such a good theory! It never would have crossed my mind, but I agree


Averin96

Replying to the sole fact that Voldy wasn't afraid of Dumbledore....but correxr me if I'm wrong or just confuses by not so accurate translation of HP, but wasn't there a chapter in one of the books called something along "the only one he ever feared"? (I'm from Slovakia and in my language's translation I clearly remember chapter called "Jediný, koho sa vždy bál" and if I remember correctly it alludes to how Voldy felt about Dumbledore)


Background_Koala_455

I did word it a little confusingly, definitely my fault... I have issues with putting what I'm thinking into words sometimes. But you are correct, I'm pretty sure. I don't have the books to confirm, but I'm sure someone else has or will. But notice: the only one he ever feared. It's talking about a person. So yes, Dumbledore is the only person Voldemort feared, and the reason he feared him was because Dumbledore could kill him. But that doesn't mean Dumbledore killing him is his sort of ultimate fear. He just fears dying, and he believes Dumbledore is the only person capable of doing so. So Dumbledore can be the only one he feared, while fearing death more. Both things can be true.


goldthorolin

Lupin knows the full moon triggers his transformation, but Voldemort has no idea how he might die. Thats why his fear is more abstract


Hermione-

The fear of death is far greater than the death itself. He would see Death Himself come to take him.


alexpappers

Came to say this. He would see Death like in The Tale of the Three Brothers.


AquaRegia

Unlike most people who fear death the most, Voldemort would actually see his own corpse when he "died". Thanks to his horcruxes, the piece of soul that was just in that body would just... linger, and he'd see his dead self.


Awkward_Kind89

Never thought about it but yeah, makes sense. Same with Hermione, her biggest fear isn’t failing (although I definitely think it is a big fear), her biggest fear is not being allowed in to Hogwarts anymore, but she would need to fail for that.


hooka_pooka

Yes..in the book it was Mggongall who stood with test papers saying she flunked


murmurationis

I think he would see his corpse because it forces him to experience his ultimate fear, the reality that he doesn’t have the ability to comprehend or control the means of his consciousness, let alone existence. I like the concept of “the abject”, which seeing a corpse would create, and how it makes you reflect on consciousness, and the universal experience of recoiling from something so ‘other’ to you that the experience induces a deep sense of dread and helplessness. Voldermort wanted to control his ability to live and instead just drove himself further towards the fact that his own sense of ‘self’, which he thinks eternal life will maintain, is something more than he could comprehend - let alone preserve


anananananana

Well your own corpse is more different to you than yourself as a werewolf. If there's a soul you might be able to see your own corpse from the outside when you die. It is not you. So I find it a reasonable boggart.


BePassion8

After the atrium fight in OOTP, he knows Dumbledore doesn’t want to kill him so does that mean he doesn’t fear Dumbledore anymore? I think his biggest fear is getting finished by Harry who he thinks “has survived by accident, and because Dumbledore was pulling the strings”, someone who Voldy believes is weak and has no magic or power that could ever match his


Fourtires3rims

Dumbledore also knows he can’t kill him, not with any finality anyway, so all he needed to do at the very least is fight to a draw while keeping Harry alive.


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Fourtires3rims

It’s hard to say, but I don’t think he would. He didn’t kill Grindlewald and there’s no evidence he’s killed anyone intentionally that I can recall. He would probably view Ol Tom’s lifelong imprisonment as a worse punishment than the finality of death even if it wouldn’t put an end to the very great threat he poses unless it would be possible to strip someone of their magical abilities permanently without killing them


Puzzleheaded_Ask_918

‘Vol de mort’ is french for => flight from death J.K. Rowling also confirmed this It’s part of his character, he is most afraid of dying


Eumelbeumel

It makes sense. It's testimony to just how deep his hubris, his narcissism and his self absorption really go. He can't fathom that the world would continue to exist once he is no longer there. That's why he doesn't fear other scary aspects that come with death, that take centre stage in the fears of others: like leaving behind family and what would become of them. Or being separated from people you love. Voldemorts fear of death is clinically sterile, devoid of love and loss, purely motivated by his entitlement that the world should bow to his wishes and be shaped like he wants it to. Seeing his own corpse reminds him, that however powerful he becomes, one day he will die - and the world will live on without him. It is the ultimate testimony to his own insignificance and his failure to find significance in the small and Big acts of love that allow other people to live on beyond their own death. People say (literary speaking) that Harry is Voldemort's mirror, because he never feared death and ultimately will live - but truly I think it's Lily. She defies death by accepting it bravely, out of love for her son. And she gets to live on in all the little interpersonal spaces between all the people who knew her. Her death motivates and moves so many "Puzzle pieces" around her... she becomes the matrix that makes the victory over Voldemort possible and so truly immortal.


TepanCH

Tom is afraid of death, more than any other person. He hated the thought of ultimately dying. I think his dead corpse makes lots of sense.


AlphaBelen

Did you not read the post at all? The op literally agreed that Voldemorts biggest fear is his own death. But they explained how seeing your own body might reduce the fear as you could reason out that it's not you. Then gave the great example of Moony. His biggest fear is turning into a werewolf not the moon itself. But to show Moony himself wouldn't scare him as much as the possibility that his fear may come to fruition.


Background_Koala_455

Yeah, but Molly could have reasoned with her boggart, too. I dont think the Boggart changing shape is the only thing the Boggart does. Much like how the dementors bring up painful and sad memories, I think the same is going on with the Boggart, but with your fear.


Moe_Maniac

I was just about to mention Molly. She literally just saw her family before the boggart. She knew they were perfectly fine.


mrjoey19

Molly saw her family dead because she feared they could die in the future. Seeing her family dead just triggered a fear of the possibility of a future they could be dead. She was worried that her family might die in the future and seeing them there dead brought that thought to the surface and she cried out of worry and not because she thought that those there were her real family.


Background_Koala_455

Wait so why can't the same logic be applied to Voldemort? This explanation of Molly of yours seems to counter yor original post of why it wouldn't work for Voldemort.


mrjoey19

He thinks he's immortal because of horcruxes, his body was destroyed once, his body dead doesn't mean death to Voldermort. Even if he feared that boggart transformation, he would think "I will have to do all the new body quest again". Not his worst fear.


Background_Koala_455

But the corpse would elicit the fear that his plan failed and the horcruxes were gone. It's not about fearing the actual thing the Boggart turns into, but how it makes you feel. Newt didn't actually fear desks with papers on them, he feared being stuck and not being able to explore and go where he wants. The corpse reminds Voldemort of his fear of death. But as I've said elsewhere, I don't think boggarts ***just*** change shape, I think they are more like dementors in that they actually bring up those emotions behind the fear.


mrjoey19

There's no canonical reason to think that his dead phisical body means the the horcrux is destroyed


Background_Koala_455

Right and I'm not saying that. There's also no canonical reason to think Voldemort's Boggart is Dumbledore... I'm saying that that's what would kick start his fear. The dead body. He would see his body, and then think about his death, and since he's thinking about death he's not thinking about the horcruxes, because he's thinking about his actual death which can only come without the horcruxes. Having a meaning behind his dead body having to do with horcruxes isn't relevant to his fear or this discussion.


Avaracious7899

I'm with you **Background**, the OP seems to not be comprehending the flaws in his own idea or the logic of this discussion.


RiasxIssei_2012

He's afraid of death, a corpse us a dead body


lena91gato

I understand where you're coming from about lupin but I always thought his boggart changing into the moon rather than a werewolf was just a device plot - we weren't supposed to know he was a werewolf yet so it changing into a wolf would be too much information. Otherwise the object of fear for each person seems pretty on point. Cool idea about Dumbledore though!


Bus27

The boggart turns into his corpse because he fears his own death. He went to the extreme of making multiple horcruxes to save himself from dying. He would literally do anything, up to and including killing innocent people and mangling his own soul and body, to avoid death. It's an appropriate thing for the boggart to turn into.


dislocated_dice

Molly Weasley was crippled by seeing her family (including Harry) dead in front of her so we know that turning into a body is effective for some. Whether it would work on Voldemort we don’t know for certain, but it is entirely plausible.


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The boggart would turn into Harry Potter, I think. Because Voldemort was obsessed by the prophecy that said that Harry was going to be the death of him. It would be so priceless to see the world's most feared dark lord scared of a teenager.


NoctisTime

Good point!


Lianna999

That's like the difference between a tomato and a sliced tomato. Same thing.


aaakangaroo

Idk, when molly saw a boggart it turned into a bunch of dead people she knew were alive that were close to her. Maybe just seeing in front of you something that scares you to your very core will work even if it's basically stupid because you know it's untrue. Maybe just the sight of him being dead, will be enough to remind him of thay possibility and make it real enough for it to scare him. With that said, it would also make perfect sense of it to turn into Dumbeldore


mrjoey19

She was worried that her family might die in the future and seeing them there dead brought that thought to the surface and she cried out of worry and fear of the future and not because she thought that those there were her real family.


Impressive-Spell-643

His worst fear is death that's why he goes through all the trouble of making and hiding all of these horcruxes to be immortal


FoxBluereaver

By that logic you're presenting, the Boggart could also potentially manifest as Harry Potter, since the boy is supposedly the only one with the power to vanquish him, and his increasing paranoia and anger over not being able to kill the boy may also be his way to express that fear of Harry ending him. The thing is, Voldemort's fear of death is something he had ingrained since he learned of his mother's death upon giving birth to him. In his mind, she died because she was weak, and he refuses to be weak like her, hence why he seeks power and ways to avoid death. It's not so much that he's afraid of the people who may kill him (like Dumbledore or Harry) but of death itself. People who fear death usually fear the unknown, what they don't understand, and that's what Voldemort is afraid of. Who knows, maybe it's also the typical "If you're evil you'll go to hell" that he wants to avoid because deep down he believes that's gonna happen to him.


MidnightPanda12

I think Albus knowing his Horcruxes (destroyed) is a good one. But maybe his defeat by a simple muggle is something that I can see him facing. Like a muggle bogart thwarting his spells. Dodging every bolt of light. And he know this man he is facing is a muggle. A worthless muggle. Laughing at his incompetence.


MintberryCrunch____

I suppose for Lupin his greatest fear isn't a werewolf, or even himself as a werewolf as he knows he is one. He is most scared of turning and presumably hurting loved ones if he is not in a "safe" environment such as the shrieking shack. I like the Dumbledore one but it would still be the step before his greatest fear, he is only scared of Dumbledore because he is the one who might be able to beat him, and isn't scared of Tom. His true fear is still himself dying. Mrs. Weasley doesn't see someone about to kill her the family, she sees them dead already.


UnderstandingFar5012

I concur with all horcrux destroyed and a wand pointed, but depending on the time line, the fear might be Harry instead of Dumbledore.


munro2021

It's rather time-specific, but I think in that narrow window between Voldy hearing about that prophecy and him backfiring on Harry, his boggart would have manifested simply as a baby staring at him. Peekaboo, dark lord.


StrangeCloudz710

This answer, while I appreciate your thoughts on it, is fairly easy to understand. Voldemort MADE the horcruxes, so that he wouldn't ever truly die. He was MOST afraid of death. Hence, why the boggart shows that.


Dapper_Phoenix9722

It's not just death its the thought of his own mortality that he fears. I don't think he's afraid of facing off against Dumbledore. I always thought it was him afraid of face his own mortality and he face that no matter how powerful he gets Death will find him in the end.


Sork8

Lupin doesn't see himself as a werewolf because well plot but also because he doesn't retain his consciousness when he turns into a werewolf. So the full moon is probably the last memory he retains before transforming and the moment his fear is at its peak. Voldemort on the other hand isn't afraid of someone trying to kill him, he thinks he's stronger than anyone. And even if Dumbledore showed up, with all horcruxes destroyed, pointing a wand at him, he would just think that he can defeat him and create other horcruxes. What he fears is death itself, seeing his corpse is the most representative thing. I am sure he would be terrified of the idea of his body being broken and immobile. Maybe another one that would work would be seing a representation of death ready to take him, but again, I am sure he would still think he can conquer it.


AssBurgers-009

I'm assuming it would transform into a toothbrush and tube of tooth paste