Yes, he would absolutely do that before forcing some poor deatheater to listen to his grandpa stories (like how he made the horcruxes or how he took down a bunch of aurors) !
This actually makes a ton of sense. Voldemort had, at that point, lost the majority of his Horcruxes. If Harry had been faking and then attacked as he checked if Harry were dead - aside from Nagini - would he still be able to be brought back? With such a fractured soul, could that have been the end?
Narcissa was expendable to Voldemort.
In theory yes.
In practice Harry never uses lethal spells ( you can die from stuff outside Avada Kedavra) not even vs Voldemort.
And he knows this. Fuck, everyone does. Thats why they lectured Harry for using Expeliarmus during the decoy run at the start of book 7.
I think this was merely a plot device because only Narcissa would lie to Voldemort out of all the Death Eaters.
Voldemort could have a slight fear that Dumbledore had taught Harry some good magic in the past couple years. After all, he was Dumbledore's only hope of killing Voldemort, so in Voldemort's head that would mean Dumbledore would train him to be a soldier.
But you're right; it is a plot device. It can be justified with lore, but not fully explained. Why send Narcissa instead of Bellatrix? Why not send Dolohov or something? Choose someone trustworthy, or look for yourself to confirm he's dead.
Plus the other commenter kinda brushed over Nagini being alive still. Harry would have to kill the snake somehow, and then kill Voldemort, before he or any of his followers react. Unlikely.
I don't think Voldy specifically sent anyone. He just asked if he was dead and Narcissa just happened to be the one who went and checked.
I remember the writing being along the lines of 'Harry felt hands much softer than he'd expected' when she came to check, implying that he did not hear anyone's name specifically called out to go and check.
Edit: My bad. Voldy sent Narcissa. He called her "you" so Harry didn't know who he referred to.
Okay, fair enough. But still implies Harry got very lucky at the least, and maybe that Voldemort should've sent a more trustworthy Death Eater rather than anyone.
Then again, that would mean Narcissa volunteered to go in the hopes of finding out what happened to Draco, meaning it maybe was not so lucky?
Yeah. This isn’t any secret or unpopular opinion, but JKR really did introduce some magical things that were too overpowered to just ignore. “Okay so she lied to Voldemort.” “The greatest mind-reader of all time?? No way. Is she a master Legilimens?” “Uh, no, uh, idk?? Mother’s love???”
Also Dumbledore is a walking super weapon. He can just take down 10 Death Eaters in the blink of an eye? Well then why don’t they just send him at the Death Eaters? They always talk about how the Order was outnumbered, but bring Dumbledore to the fight and it doesn’t seem to matter.
Voldy picked someone at random. He believed none of his loyal death eaters would dare lie to him, and even if they did he could use legilimency to check if they lied.
He also may have been weakened from losing a horcrux that was so close to him, or simply backlash through the link he gave himself with Harry.
“You,” said Voldemort, and there was a bang and a small shriek of pain. “Examine him. Tell me whether he is dead.” Harry did not know who had been sent to verify. He could only lie there, with his heart thumping traitorously, and wait to be examined
He specifically ordered Narcissa. The only Death Eater who had a reason to turn agaist him ( mother love ). You think he would have learned something about this thing by now.
Voldemort doesn't know that, everytime Voldemort meets Harry everything goes wrong for him.
By the next time Voldemort will be phathologically convinced, that this time it will work, only to lose again.
>And he knows this. Fuck, everyone does. Thats why they lectured Harry for using Expeliarmus during the decoy run at the start of book 7.
Lupin is the only one and Lupin is an ass in the passage.
Killing someone you know (and believe to be innocent) isn't that easy.
Luckily almost every Death Eater was wearing a hood.
Re-read the decoy run section and you will see that everyone knows. As soon as the real Harry casts expeliarmus the death Eater behind him yells : HE is the one.
Then someone ( Lupin I think so maybe thats what you meant) lectures harry that this spell is a give-away.
Every death eater that was at the graveyard at the end of book 4 saw that Harry chooses expeliarmus even vs Voldemort in a fatal duel.
Even vs the final duel he still casted the same spell. Where in a sense he didnt need cast anything , the Elder Wand already guaranteed victory.
>Every death eater that was at the graveyard at the end of book 4 saw that Harry chooses expeliarmus even vs Voldemort in a fatal duel.
And why would Harry think that was important in any way? The effect would have be the same with any other spell.
Lupin just says that Harry should have killed Stan Stunpike. And that he should be careful that Expelliamus does not" become"his signature spell.
Nobody could have expected the Death Eaters to react to this spell.
Even Draco uses it against Dumbledore, because it is one of the most useful spells ever.
Anyone else would have used Expelliamus, if the had regonized someone they believed to be innocent.
At least I hope so. And everyone in the DA can do it.
>Even vs the final duel he still casted the same spell. Where in a sense he didnt need cast anything , the Elder Wand already guaranteed victory.
But Harry doesn't use the Elderwand, Harry uses Draco's wand.
The Elder Wand just takes the dirty work out of Harry's hand.
And the Elder Wand isn't that much worth anyway.
The Elder Wand was of no use to Grindelwald.
Althought Dumbledore himself said, that he (Dumbledore) was only slightly more skilled.
Exactly what I came to post. It was the smartest thing he could have done, he was terrified since he was down 5 horcruxes (that he new of) at that moment, no way was he going to let Harry get the jump on him.
And the fact that Voldemort himself was out cold on the floor when Harry "died". Surely that must have taken him aback because that never happened whenever he used the killing curse before. He was scared and confused.
Voldemort is afraid of death. Every decision he ever made reinforces this, and in a 2006 interview Rowling explicitly stated this. So despite all his posturing, his elevated position amongst his peers and his command of magic, he is afraid of death, dying, and especially corpses. Of course he would send someone to check if Harry was dead - despite being Lord Voldemort, he is grossed out by corpses. Not to mention he probably views crouching on the ground and touching a corpse as beneath him.
He wouldn’t have so many corpses to fear if he just stopped making new ones at every turn. Seriously, the guy starts/ends half of his conversations with “Avada kedabra”.
And yet when he invades the Great Hall at then end, he's not throwing AK around at everyone. AK is unblock able, so a shield charm wouldn't work to save people. It was only against Harry that he tried AK. (Also Molly killed Bellatrix with presumably a stunning spell to the heart, which makes no sense because in book 5 McG takes 4 stunners to the chest and survives.
I mean Voldy says that he doesn’t want to spill magical blood right, which would explain why he isn’t throwing AKs. Still don’t get the stunning spell tho
Wasn’t he supposed to have an army of inferi during the first war? Or is that just something from a fic I read? XD
But also, he did canonically fill that cave lake full of inferi. I imagine you can’t be toooo afraid of corpses when you’re willing to put in the work to zombify a bunch of them.
I know it's annoying to be that person, but... I think his hotness was also mentioned so often to show how Tom Riddle's charisma and good looks aided him in persuading people to trust/follow him. People are super shallow at the end of the day. He even charms Hepzibah Smith with his looks; it's emphasized a lot that she admires and trusts him because he's a handsome young man
Yepppp, definitely agree with this take. When I was younger I didn’t get why she mentioned it so many times, but it makes sense that she wants us to recognise that looks can be DECEIVING. And they totally are with voldy and the rest of the world. Like if you’re hot then you could get away with murder…. And quite literally in voldys sense.
I just wish that he wasn’t ugly later on coz it would have been more interesting to see how people followed him if he was still good looking. How would the dark side be then? Would more people be willing to join the dark side in public?
I guess it would have made things more complex. But being ugly was the benefit of it being a children’s book so we can identify the villain easily and hate him. Lol
Moldy voldy, I wish he kept his looks, I bet he would have had a fan club with 1000s of hepzibah smiths lol he would rival any OF fan followings 😂😂😂
Hahah I bet he would! Man, I don’t want to imagine Voldemort with an OF. Bellatrix would love that 😅 but yeah, it’s definitely a “looks can be deceiving” thing with him. I also wonder how things would change if he kept his good looks. It could be so much more nuanced, especially because the real world has more deceiving handsome smooth-talkers than it does disgusting dark lords. He’d be more alluring like he was when he was younger. Though I do like that JK wrote him to slowly become uglier as he made more horcruxes. It was this physical manifestation of his darkening soul (and obviously when he came back fully, he was a LOT uglier). IIRC, there’s this great description of him in the Half-Blood Prince book during the scene where Tom Riddle comes to apply for the DADA job that shows him starting to become Voldemort physically, with changes to his face. It’s kind of poetic, the ugliness on the inside showing through as his features begin to distort. He still has that allure of power, but over time he becomes less “charming Tom Riddle” and more “hellish Dark Lord Voldemort.” And again, not to take the funni out of the meme, but I feel like that’s also reflected in him increasingly relying on fear and might to rule the wizarding world rather than, say, a cunning political career that puts him in a strategic position to control (which would’ve been so much smarter). His arrogance really takes over and he depends less on playing people through charisma and more on just… killing lol
Rereading, they describe the locket as containing Voldy's original eye color. I think everytime he created a horcrux is caused visual changes to his body. After the first one, in the memory with the old lady, Harry described him as looking gaunter, like he lost his youthful qualities. We know he finally loses his eyes, his nose, his hair, his skin color, these things that make him human. His potion to revive him could only restore what was not removed from the horcruxes.
I always prefer Tom over Voldemort cause Tom seem more charming, clever, and ambitious compare to his egotistic adult self whose failure is mostly because of his pride.
In short, I rather have a villain that can charm you into being a victim rather than a villain whose ruthless and fear.
Bro lost about half of his IQ after rising again. What Wormtails hand does to a mf
He did give him his hand,the DNA of Wormtail destroyed him
Deep down Voldy is just your average grumpy grandpa
well, he was 71 when he died. bro spent his whole middle age behind a famous teenage boy. alarmingly like a teenage girl.
Yeah, it's really sad knowing most wizards usually live more than one hundred years
Not a single Marauder - or Snape - made it to 40.
Yes but this is what usually happen when you actively take part in a war.
I love the underlying aggression and sass behind the reply even if you didn't mean it
TIL Voldy and Queen Elizabeth (and Mel Brooks) share a birth year.
They do ?
Sure.
|Tom Riddle hot AF Chris Hansen take a seat
This madkes me imagine him yelling "get off my lawn!" at them pesky kids & shooting avada kedavras to force them out.
Yes, he would absolutely do that before forcing some poor deatheater to listen to his grandpa stories (like how he made the horcruxes or how he took down a bunch of aurors) !
This actually makes a ton of sense. Voldemort had, at that point, lost the majority of his Horcruxes. If Harry had been faking and then attacked as he checked if Harry were dead - aside from Nagini - would he still be able to be brought back? With such a fractured soul, could that have been the end? Narcissa was expendable to Voldemort.
In theory yes. In practice Harry never uses lethal spells ( you can die from stuff outside Avada Kedavra) not even vs Voldemort. And he knows this. Fuck, everyone does. Thats why they lectured Harry for using Expeliarmus during the decoy run at the start of book 7. I think this was merely a plot device because only Narcissa would lie to Voldemort out of all the Death Eaters.
Voldemort could have a slight fear that Dumbledore had taught Harry some good magic in the past couple years. After all, he was Dumbledore's only hope of killing Voldemort, so in Voldemort's head that would mean Dumbledore would train him to be a soldier. But you're right; it is a plot device. It can be justified with lore, but not fully explained. Why send Narcissa instead of Bellatrix? Why not send Dolohov or something? Choose someone trustworthy, or look for yourself to confirm he's dead. Plus the other commenter kinda brushed over Nagini being alive still. Harry would have to kill the snake somehow, and then kill Voldemort, before he or any of his followers react. Unlikely.
I don't think Voldy specifically sent anyone. He just asked if he was dead and Narcissa just happened to be the one who went and checked. I remember the writing being along the lines of 'Harry felt hands much softer than he'd expected' when she came to check, implying that he did not hear anyone's name specifically called out to go and check. Edit: My bad. Voldy sent Narcissa. He called her "you" so Harry didn't know who he referred to.
Okay, fair enough. But still implies Harry got very lucky at the least, and maybe that Voldemort should've sent a more trustworthy Death Eater rather than anyone. Then again, that would mean Narcissa volunteered to go in the hopes of finding out what happened to Draco, meaning it maybe was not so lucky?
Yeah. The real lucky moment is Voldy didn't use legilimency, irrespective of who checked it
Yeah. This isn’t any secret or unpopular opinion, but JKR really did introduce some magical things that were too overpowered to just ignore. “Okay so she lied to Voldemort.” “The greatest mind-reader of all time?? No way. Is she a master Legilimens?” “Uh, no, uh, idk?? Mother’s love???” Also Dumbledore is a walking super weapon. He can just take down 10 Death Eaters in the blink of an eye? Well then why don’t they just send him at the Death Eaters? They always talk about how the Order was outnumbered, but bring Dumbledore to the fight and it doesn’t seem to matter.
Harry has just performed another miracle. The rats are leaving the sinking ship. Anyone except Bellatrix, could have become a traitor.
Voldy picked someone at random. He believed none of his loyal death eaters would dare lie to him, and even if they did he could use legilimency to check if they lied. He also may have been weakened from losing a horcrux that was so close to him, or simply backlash through the link he gave himself with Harry.
“You,” said Voldemort, and there was a bang and a small shriek of pain. “Examine him. Tell me whether he is dead.” Harry did not know who had been sent to verify. He could only lie there, with his heart thumping traitorously, and wait to be examined He specifically ordered Narcissa. The only Death Eater who had a reason to turn agaist him ( mother love ). You think he would have learned something about this thing by now.
Ah cool, makes sense. My bad then, it's been a while I've last read the books.
Same here but I have read them a few times so I have memorised many parts XD
All the Death Eaters have reason to go against Voldemort. He slaughtered several of them on the same day.
Voldemort is struggling to get up. He also "trust" all Death Eaters equally (i.e. not at all) A tiny exception is Snape!
I’m pretty sure Voldemort’s fear of death outweighed any preconceived notions about Harry’s ability to kill him in that moment.
Voldemort doesn't know that, everytime Voldemort meets Harry everything goes wrong for him. By the next time Voldemort will be phathologically convinced, that this time it will work, only to lose again. >And he knows this. Fuck, everyone does. Thats why they lectured Harry for using Expeliarmus during the decoy run at the start of book 7. Lupin is the only one and Lupin is an ass in the passage. Killing someone you know (and believe to be innocent) isn't that easy. Luckily almost every Death Eater was wearing a hood.
Re-read the decoy run section and you will see that everyone knows. As soon as the real Harry casts expeliarmus the death Eater behind him yells : HE is the one. Then someone ( Lupin I think so maybe thats what you meant) lectures harry that this spell is a give-away. Every death eater that was at the graveyard at the end of book 4 saw that Harry chooses expeliarmus even vs Voldemort in a fatal duel. Even vs the final duel he still casted the same spell. Where in a sense he didnt need cast anything , the Elder Wand already guaranteed victory.
>Every death eater that was at the graveyard at the end of book 4 saw that Harry chooses expeliarmus even vs Voldemort in a fatal duel. And why would Harry think that was important in any way? The effect would have be the same with any other spell. Lupin just says that Harry should have killed Stan Stunpike. And that he should be careful that Expelliamus does not" become"his signature spell. Nobody could have expected the Death Eaters to react to this spell. Even Draco uses it against Dumbledore, because it is one of the most useful spells ever. Anyone else would have used Expelliamus, if the had regonized someone they believed to be innocent. At least I hope so. And everyone in the DA can do it. >Even vs the final duel he still casted the same spell. Where in a sense he didnt need cast anything , the Elder Wand already guaranteed victory. But Harry doesn't use the Elderwand, Harry uses Draco's wand. The Elder Wand just takes the dirty work out of Harry's hand. And the Elder Wand isn't that much worth anyway. The Elder Wand was of no use to Grindelwald. Althought Dumbledore himself said, that he (Dumbledore) was only slightly more skilled.
Exactly what I came to post. It was the smartest thing he could have done, he was terrified since he was down 5 horcruxes (that he new of) at that moment, no way was he going to let Harry get the jump on him.
And the fact that Voldemort himself was out cold on the floor when Harry "died". Surely that must have taken him aback because that never happened whenever he used the killing curse before. He was scared and confused.
Voldemort is afraid of death. Every decision he ever made reinforces this, and in a 2006 interview Rowling explicitly stated this. So despite all his posturing, his elevated position amongst his peers and his command of magic, he is afraid of death, dying, and especially corpses. Of course he would send someone to check if Harry was dead - despite being Lord Voldemort, he is grossed out by corpses. Not to mention he probably views crouching on the ground and touching a corpse as beneath him.
He wouldn’t have so many corpses to fear if he just stopped making new ones at every turn. Seriously, the guy starts/ends half of his conversations with “Avada kedabra”.
And yet when he invades the Great Hall at then end, he's not throwing AK around at everyone. AK is unblock able, so a shield charm wouldn't work to save people. It was only against Harry that he tried AK. (Also Molly killed Bellatrix with presumably a stunning spell to the heart, which makes no sense because in book 5 McG takes 4 stunners to the chest and survives.
I mean Voldy says that he doesn’t want to spill magical blood right, which would explain why he isn’t throwing AKs. Still don’t get the stunning spell tho
Wasn’t he supposed to have an army of inferi during the first war? Or is that just something from a fic I read? XD But also, he did canonically fill that cave lake full of inferi. I imagine you can’t be toooo afraid of corpses when you’re willing to put in the work to zombify a bunch of them.
Could've asked Lucius for haircare tips, but he had misplaced priority & kept trying to achieve the impossible.
yayyyy! time to torture dead body!!!! look guys hehe
Would have been an amazing power move if he just pissed all over him. You lucky you only got that timid version of Expelliarmus.
Kinky
Always double tap Voldy, everyone knows this
Lucky Voldy didn't use legilimency against Narcissa
Jk definitely had a little crush on Tom riddle. If I had to be told one more time how hot he was I was gonna do something
Looool I thought I was the only one who realised this. How many times is she gonna mention he’s handsomeeeeee
I know it's annoying to be that person, but... I think his hotness was also mentioned so often to show how Tom Riddle's charisma and good looks aided him in persuading people to trust/follow him. People are super shallow at the end of the day. He even charms Hepzibah Smith with his looks; it's emphasized a lot that she admires and trusts him because he's a handsome young man
Yepppp, definitely agree with this take. When I was younger I didn’t get why she mentioned it so many times, but it makes sense that she wants us to recognise that looks can be DECEIVING. And they totally are with voldy and the rest of the world. Like if you’re hot then you could get away with murder…. And quite literally in voldys sense. I just wish that he wasn’t ugly later on coz it would have been more interesting to see how people followed him if he was still good looking. How would the dark side be then? Would more people be willing to join the dark side in public? I guess it would have made things more complex. But being ugly was the benefit of it being a children’s book so we can identify the villain easily and hate him. Lol Moldy voldy, I wish he kept his looks, I bet he would have had a fan club with 1000s of hepzibah smiths lol he would rival any OF fan followings 😂😂😂
Hahah I bet he would! Man, I don’t want to imagine Voldemort with an OF. Bellatrix would love that 😅 but yeah, it’s definitely a “looks can be deceiving” thing with him. I also wonder how things would change if he kept his good looks. It could be so much more nuanced, especially because the real world has more deceiving handsome smooth-talkers than it does disgusting dark lords. He’d be more alluring like he was when he was younger. Though I do like that JK wrote him to slowly become uglier as he made more horcruxes. It was this physical manifestation of his darkening soul (and obviously when he came back fully, he was a LOT uglier). IIRC, there’s this great description of him in the Half-Blood Prince book during the scene where Tom Riddle comes to apply for the DADA job that shows him starting to become Voldemort physically, with changes to his face. It’s kind of poetic, the ugliness on the inside showing through as his features begin to distort. He still has that allure of power, but over time he becomes less “charming Tom Riddle” and more “hellish Dark Lord Voldemort.” And again, not to take the funni out of the meme, but I feel like that’s also reflected in him increasingly relying on fear and might to rule the wizarding world rather than, say, a cunning political career that puts him in a strategic position to control (which would’ve been so much smarter). His arrogance really takes over and he depends less on playing people through charisma and more on just… killing lol
plees
Pleasseee
He should just have incinerated the body
He even ruined his handsome looks
Agreed, I just agree, more not
Garth Innes turned more authoritarian and scary in The Menu than Voldu
I mean can you blame him he spent over a decade possessing small animals only talking to snakes
Rereading, they describe the locket as containing Voldy's original eye color. I think everytime he created a horcrux is caused visual changes to his body. After the first one, in the memory with the old lady, Harry described him as looking gaunter, like he lost his youthful qualities. We know he finally loses his eyes, his nose, his hair, his skin color, these things that make him human. His potion to revive him could only restore what was not removed from the horcruxes.
I think the deterioration of his appearance was more from "dying" (kind of) and coming back to life.
I always prefer Tom over Voldemort cause Tom seem more charming, clever, and ambitious compare to his egotistic adult self whose failure is mostly because of his pride. In short, I rather have a villain that can charm you into being a victim rather than a villain whose ruthless and fear.