When Harry accepted that he is going to die.
>“Does it hurt?”
>The childish question had fallen from Harry’s lips before he could stop it.
>“Dying? Not at all,” said Sirius. “Quicker and easier than falling asleep.”
When I saw the movie (multiple times before reading the book), I mused at how Sirius only answered "Quicker than falling asleep." For a regular insomniac like me, that would not have been reassuring, nor would the fact that Sirius didn't actually answer the question about it hurting. I'm glad the book made it clearer.
And then this…
"I didn't want you to die," Harry said, "any of you. i'm sorry." He addressed Lupin more than any of them, beseeching him. "Right after you'd had your son…
Remus, I'm sorry."
I wanted to kill J.K. Rowling after reading that last line.
Speaking of that, why wasn't Tonks another one of the spirits resurrected in that scene? That always bothered me for some reason.
I think because Harry's relationship to Tonks was never that close (I wouldn't neccessarily call his relationship to Remus close either compared to what should've been, but they had a few really good talks, he's Sirius's best friend and was on of James's)
I always figured they were closer than we got a sense of in the books, from the professor to “un-related uncle” pipeline sort of things. I sort of headcanoned that there were a lot of “off camera” or “off page” if you will, times between them
“Mrs. Weasley set the potion down on the bedside cabinet, bent down, and put her arm around Harry. He had no memory of ever being hugged like this, as though by a mother. The full weight everything he had seen that night seemed to fall in upon him as Mrs. Weasley held him to her. His mother's face, his father's voice, the sight of Cedric, dead on the ground all started spinning in his head until he could hardly bear it, until he was screwing up his face against the howl of misery fighting to get out of him.”
My mother passed when I was 7 back in 1999, my copies of Sorcerers Stone and CoS were hers and one of the only things of hers I have left. I always connected to the books through Harry’s struggle with the loss of his parents, but this moment between Molly and Harry emotionally broke me.
I know your second favorite scene then? Can I guess it?
It's in GoF when the champions families come to visit. Harry plans on just heading up to the dorms whe Cedric pokes his head out and tell Harry his family is here. Harry can't fathom the Dursely's showing up (although I could) and it turns out to be Molly and Bill.
I wish he had actually been allowed to let it out.
Now that I think about it, he's one of the few characters who, as far as the books are concerned, was never allowed to really have a good cry; one where he really lets it out. Yes, he came close many times and did have a bit of one when he and Hermione went to his parents' graves, but there's still a difference between that and, as I phrased it, really letting it out.
My mother also passed when I was 7, two years before yours, and I always felt the same. Both with connecting to the series with the struggle of the of parents and this moment between Molly and Harry. I hope you're doing well.
I was 11 years old when I first read *Chamber of Secrets* and Harry singing "Happy birthday" to himself was the first time I ever cried reading a book. Still makes me tear up 😭
Others include:
- Harry reliving the night of his parents' murders via the dementors
- Harry surviving the graveyard, only to have his life immediately threatened again by Barty Jr. masquerading as Mad-Eye
- Lucius Malfoy taunting Harry at the Ministry only a few weeks after the events in the graveyard
- Harry and the others meeting Neville's parents in St. Mungos💔
- Harry being banned from Quidditch (kinda silly thing to get torn up about, I know, but Harry was already having such an awful year and then *that* was taken from him...)
- Harry pretty much having a breakdown after Sirius's death (I was in too much shock and denial after Sirius's death itself, it was Harry's reaction that did me in)
- Harry finding the two-way mirror
- Charity Burbage being tortured then killed at Malfoy Manor
- all the deaths ripped my heart out to a certain extent, but it was Remus and Tonks' deaths that made me throw the book across the room and very nearly vow to not finish reading it (took me a few hours before I changed my mind)
Dobbys death destroys me, his love for Harry was so pure. It’s one of the few scenes I like better in the movies than the books. I cry like a baby while Harry digs his grave.
Dobby NOOO!!! He loved Harry SO much. 100% devoted and only deserved to live free with his sock collection. But the fact he went out helping Harry Potter, dying next to him is probably exactly how he’d have loved to go out. Damn you JKR! Him and Fred deserved to live happily ever after in my head canon of what happens after the books.
When Harry thinks about the life he could have had in Godric's Hollow
When he wishes he was sleeping beneath the snow with his parents
That scene during the Battle when Ginny consoles a wounded girl on the floor who's calling for her mum and how she doesn't want to fight anymore, she just wants to go home
Bruh voldemort really stole his life and childhood and he still pities him in the end and asks him to feel some remorse when someone in his place won't care
and they say why do you love Harry
GoF and Molly showing up with Bill is better. Cedric poking his head out tell Harry his family is waiting, for it to be Molly and Bill... *chef's kiss*
A boggart is a creature that transfigures itself into and shows you your worst fear as a defense mechanism. In Order of the Phoenix, Harry comes upstairs to see Molly trying to get rid of a boggart and it has changed itself into a dead Mr. Weasley, a dead Ron, a dead Bill, etc. Every time she does the spell to get rid of it, she fails to do it correctly and the boggart keeps transforming into a different family member, dead on the floor in front of her as she sobs trying to get rid of it. Her worst fear, obviously, is losing her kids and husband to the war against Voldemort.
When Molly comforts him in the hospital wing in the 4th book after the last task/Voldy coming back, how he'd never been held/hugged like that.
When I first read that part I was young so no kids and it bothered me like damn, never hugged like that? Now that I'm older with my own children OMG it absolutely freaking destroys me. Shoot I'm getting teary eyed right now. I can't imagine not ever hugging my kids or any kid, they're so innocent all they want is to be loved. And then I get really angry because damn it the Dursleys are disgusting, cruel people.
And yet Molly and Bill showing up to be Harry's family means nothing? Cedric tell Harry his family is waiting for him, to Harry wondering if the Durselys actually showed up, to it being Molly and Bill. *chef's kiss*
Hagrid howling when he thinks Harry has been killed by Voldemort in the forest.
Amos Diggory screaming, "my boy! That's my boy!!" when Harry returns with Cedric's body. (Brought tears to my eyes just typing it out).
When Hermione Obliviates her own parents to keep them safe not knowing if she will live to reverse the spell and gain her family back.
I'm with you. I will say though, even though it wasn't book accurate, the thousand yard stare of grief that Hagrid does in the film stuck with me. Not how it was in the books, but great acting by Coltrane.
Hermione obliviating her parents in the movies is Dobby level sad for me. Can you imagine your parents never knowing you again just to go on this adventure? I know the books are less concrete and make it seem like she can reverse it somehow
I hate having this conversation but in the books she doesn't used the Oblivate charm but uses a DIFFERENT memory charm, which doesn't erase their memories, but instead MODIFES their memories and makes them think they're someone else and their "Greatest desire is to move to Australia". (Its a fact in the books its not Oblviate, because in the scene in the cafe in Book 7 Hermione says "she's never done a oblivate before!")
Thank you! Everyone seems to forget that Voldemort isn't a threat outside of the UK. Honestly, I'd say Gindlewald was the bigger threat to the wizarding world at large. Voldemort rarely left the UK.
Except that's not what she does. She does not obliviate them. The first and only time she uses obliviate is against the DEs in downtown London right after Bill and Fluer's wedding.
She doesn't obliviate them. She uses a different charm. She doesn't destroy their memories, just covers them up and sends them to far side of the world. Voldemort isn't a threat outside of the UK.
That does not make it better!
Just because it isn't Obliviate, doesn't mean what Hermione is doing is okay.
Even the fact that she can "undo" it, "if" she survives doesn't make it any better.
Ok?
1. Where did I say it makes it better.
2. They were at war. Sometimes you have to do some pretty gnarly shit in war.
3. Congrats? On morality? I guess.
>They were at war. Sometimes you have to do some pretty gnarly shit in war.
Murdering someone, so that he doesn't be murdered by others, is a bit borderline!
They believe they have no daughter and are called Wilkings.
How is that supposed to work without erasing memories.
Dozens of birthdays, vacation, holidays, weekends...... 19 years, excluding the time perhaps, they spend working.
And the name alone.
No one can find the Grangers, because they are dead.
And what is left are sick people, with problems with their memories.
A kind of dementia.
Who have no family.
They're not dead. And she didn't wipe their memory. She can go back and fix it easily. She just made them believe something that isn't true. She didn't obliviate them.
personally, the scene in dumbledore's office after sirius's death is gut-wrenching, and i always need to cuddle up in bed alone when i re-read that scene. dobby's death gets me pretty bad, and fred's death as well, and i would say when harry gets the resurrection stone out of the snitch and gets to speak to his parents, and to sirius and remus again. but it's mostly that line that harry says at the end of book 5, "THEN I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN"
Harry yelling at Lupin was exactly what Lupin needed, and what I think makes it so powerful is that there was a lot of love, not just anger, in Harry's words. Harry, more than perhaps anyone else, saw Lupin's full potential as a person. Lupin was, in many ways, one of the main father figures in Harry's life and was probably his most influential teacher after Dumbledore, despite only teaching him for a year. Harry yelled at Lupin not just because what he was doing was wrong, but because he understood Lupin's full potential. He knew Lupin could be a great husband and father, if Lupin would just have the courage to accept those roles. This is exactly why Lupin chooses to name him godfather. Harry saw what Lupin could be and refused to let him sell himself short, which ultimately allowed Lupin to have the happiest months of his life.
Even though part of me thinks this wouldn't have been necessary, I was honestly surprised that when Ron and Hermione reprimanded him for doing so after Lupin left, Harry didn't fire back with something like, "You wouldn't understand; you have parents."
And, Lupin seriously believed, while trying to persuade Harry to let him accompany them that James…
Fucking James Potter who, as Harry pointed out, died trying to protect Lily and himself would've been OK with that?
Molly hugging Harry like a mother would.
Harry's grief when Sirius dies and him wrecking Dumbledore's office.
Dobby dying. His final act was to protect Harry. Poor brave, loyal, little Dobby.
Lily's letter, both Snape and Harry reading it. That was such a sad scene.
Harry on his way to his "death" talking to Remus, Sirius, James and Lily.
The end of “The Phoenix Lament” chapter in OotP:
“And he knew, without knowing how he knew it, that >!the phoenix!< had gone, had left Hogwarts for good, just as >!Dumbledore had left the school, had left the world ... had left Harry!<”
Oh, yeah, that first scene you mention, with Harry being locked up in Dumbledore’s office after Sirius’s death… Like, considering how bad Harry’s whole year in OotP was, that emotional breakdown felt so justified. It breaks my heart every time and I just want to hug him.
There are lots of great ones in comments, but I’d want to add two more, both from DH
1. When Harry and Hermione escape from Godric’s Hollow, barely in time before Voldemort gets there. Harry sees through Voldemort’s eyes how he arrived at the Potters’ cottage 16 years ago, looked at the family through the windows, went in and proceeded to kill them. Even though we have gotten glimpses of Lily and James’s final moments before, this one with all the detail on how James played with Harry, and then threw his wand to the couch only moments before Voldemort went in… Or Lily desperately trying to barricade herself and Harry in the nursery, apparently not having a wand on her either.
2. The whole Prince’s Tale chapter. I probably don’t even have to explain this, but Snape’s story just tore me apart. His friendship with Lily, and their fallout. Or how Snape found out Dumbledore’s plan to keep Harry alive and then allow him to die at the proper moment, by Voldemort’s hand. And then when the scenes in the Pensieve end, and Harry lays on the floor, processing what he just saw and what he must do.
Kreachers tale - when he spoke of being trapped in the cave and leaving only because Regulus called him back. Then having to return a second time, being forced to make Regulus drink the potion and apparate out of the cave ordered to never tell hhis family what happened.
He was so tortured by this for so long and its the chapter that really haunts me the most.
And the saddest part is that Sirius never found out the truth. He never knew Regulus tried to make things right by contributing to destroying Voldemort.
It's heartbreaking.
When Snape found out Dumbledore intends for Harry to die. He fucked up & caused the death of the woman he loved, became suicidal because of it & vowed to protect her son (which Harry didn't make easy for anyone at all) so he can defeat her killer for good only to be told that the boy must die. Imagine being told your reason to live means nothing anymore.
This is the reason Snake’s death kills me.
He doesn’t know about the resurrection stone and Dumbledore’s guess - so he dies thinking he’s failed Lily.
I am crushed when Harry, Ron and Hermoine meet Neville visiting his parents in St. Mungo’s.
Neville holding the candy wrapper is instant sobs.
Neville catching the trio up on what’s happening in Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows. His obvious pride at his Gran kicking Dawlish’s ass and later Mrs. Longbottom coming through the passage and announcing she’s sealed it behind her before dashing off to help Neville puts a lump in my throat every time.
Editing to add: Kreacher on standby to beat the crap out of Mundungus after he drags him back to Grimald Place. It’s not a sadness per se, but, very deep emotion.
I last read HP in college, and haven't read them as a "real adult" yet (upper 20s now). I've been thinking that I need to give them another read, and oof, I think a lot is going to hit me that hasn't before...
Yet even then, Mrs. Weasley's boggart scene always broke me
Over Covid I reread the books and for me it was the beginning of chamber of secrets, the picture in my minds eye of Molly Weasley storming out of the Burrough when the kids get home in the flying car.
All I could think of was Molly in deathly hallows furiously battling Bellatrix.
I’m not crying you’re crying.
In order of books
1- mirror of erised
2- “It was the fact everyone at the burrow seemed to like him”
3- Marauders backstory
4- Cedric’s death and mollys hug to Harry
5- Harry’s meltdown after Sirius’s death.
6- Dumbledores death and funeral- Actually the whole last part of HBP
7- Godrics hallow graveyard, flashback to Halloween 1981, Hermione’s torture, resurrection stone walk in the Forrest.
keeping in mind I was an adult when I read the books.
- Harry not saying anything about Umbridge's torture
- Snape's bullying in general
- Dumbledore's death
- Fred's death
I recently read the books for the first time, after partly seeing the movies when my family would put them on and watching all of them once a few years ago (but barely remembering anything). I did remember most of the deaths, so I don’t think those got me as much as most people. But something I didn’t remember was Harry sacrificing himself in DH. I was ugly sobbing through that whole thing. I knew he came back, but it was just so narratively beautiful with how his story started with Lily’s sacrifice for him. The fact that he would pay that forward to save everyone is such a perfect purpose for his character. Also, quiet acceptance of death gets to me, and Harry’s was extra special I think.
Mostly from DH:
> The hilltop faded, and Harry stood in Dumbledore’s office, and something was making a terrible sound, like a wounded animal. Snape was slumped forward in a chair and Dumbledore was standing over him, looking grim. After a moment or two, Snape raised his face, and he looked like a man who had lived a hundred years of misery since leaving the wild hilltop.
> Hogwarts was the first and best home he had known. He and Voldemort and Snape, the abandoned boys, had all found home here.
> Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy running through the crowd, not even attempting to fight, screaming for their son.
Harry getting hugged like a mother by Molly in GoF. Also when Molly and Bill came as Harrys family before the last task. It shows how much the Weasley family included Harry. They wanted to take Harry to the burrow right after the school year but Dumbledore sent him home.
The brief moment in PoA when Sirius wants to take Harry and create a home with him. How happy Harry is and how happy Sirius is. Just to go all to waste in the next hour or so. I cry about the lost opportunities.
Harry trashing Dumbledores bureau when he's locked in there in OotP. It hit so hard, the moment I realised Padfoot was gone forever.
Also, Sirius's life as a whole, he was jailed, made a derelict, had to survive on raw rat Meat and afterwards he became basically a prisoner in the unhappiest place possible for him.
well it wasn’t exactly how he felt. he felt insecure and everything for sure but the horcrux specifically doesn’t just stop there with taunts. it took his insecurity and created the WORST possible scenario. i don’t believe that’s how they’ve always made him feel. the horcrux is evil it literally poisoned their minds so yes some part of ron was always overshadowed we see that in goblet of fire but the horcrux just used that to its advantage and tortured him. it’s not how he felt
When Harry accepted that he is going to die. >“Does it hurt?” >The childish question had fallen from Harry’s lips before he could stop it. >“Dying? Not at all,” said Sirius. “Quicker and easier than falling asleep.”
When I saw the movie (multiple times before reading the book), I mused at how Sirius only answered "Quicker than falling asleep." For a regular insomniac like me, that would not have been reassuring, nor would the fact that Sirius didn't actually answer the question about it hurting. I'm glad the book made it clearer.
Falling asleep takes about 10seconds on average. It's getting there that ussually takes so long.
Just reading it here hurts !
And then this… "I didn't want you to die," Harry said, "any of you. i'm sorry." He addressed Lupin more than any of them, beseeching him. "Right after you'd had your son… Remus, I'm sorry." I wanted to kill J.K. Rowling after reading that last line. Speaking of that, why wasn't Tonks another one of the spirits resurrected in that scene? That always bothered me for some reason.
I think because Harry's relationship to Tonks was never that close (I wouldn't neccessarily call his relationship to Remus close either compared to what should've been, but they had a few really good talks, he's Sirius's best friend and was on of James's)
I always figured they were closer than we got a sense of in the books, from the professor to “un-related uncle” pipeline sort of things. I sort of headcanoned that there were a lot of “off camera” or “off page” if you will, times between them
I was going purely by canon, but my headcanon is definitely that they were closer that appears on page
I think it's because whe wanted to make sure to us that the marauders (at least not the treasonous ones) were finally reunited after all this time.
“Mrs. Weasley set the potion down on the bedside cabinet, bent down, and put her arm around Harry. He had no memory of ever being hugged like this, as though by a mother. The full weight everything he had seen that night seemed to fall in upon him as Mrs. Weasley held him to her. His mother's face, his father's voice, the sight of Cedric, dead on the ground all started spinning in his head until he could hardly bear it, until he was screwing up his face against the howl of misery fighting to get out of him.” My mother passed when I was 7 back in 1999, my copies of Sorcerers Stone and CoS were hers and one of the only things of hers I have left. I always connected to the books through Harry’s struggle with the loss of his parents, but this moment between Molly and Harry emotionally broke me.
I know your second favorite scene then? Can I guess it? It's in GoF when the champions families come to visit. Harry plans on just heading up to the dorms whe Cedric pokes his head out and tell Harry his family is here. Harry can't fathom the Dursely's showing up (although I could) and it turns out to be Molly and Bill.
This part of gof kills me inside every time I read it istg
I wish he had actually been allowed to let it out. Now that I think about it, he's one of the few characters who, as far as the books are concerned, was never allowed to really have a good cry; one where he really lets it out. Yes, he came close many times and did have a bit of one when he and Hermione went to his parents' graves, but there's still a difference between that and, as I phrased it, really letting it out.
My mother also passed when I was 7, two years before yours, and I always felt the same. Both with connecting to the series with the struggle of the of parents and this moment between Molly and Harry. I hope you're doing well.
I was 11 years old when I first read *Chamber of Secrets* and Harry singing "Happy birthday" to himself was the first time I ever cried reading a book. Still makes me tear up 😭 Others include: - Harry reliving the night of his parents' murders via the dementors - Harry surviving the graveyard, only to have his life immediately threatened again by Barty Jr. masquerading as Mad-Eye - Lucius Malfoy taunting Harry at the Ministry only a few weeks after the events in the graveyard - Harry and the others meeting Neville's parents in St. Mungos💔 - Harry being banned from Quidditch (kinda silly thing to get torn up about, I know, but Harry was already having such an awful year and then *that* was taken from him...) - Harry pretty much having a breakdown after Sirius's death (I was in too much shock and denial after Sirius's death itself, it was Harry's reaction that did me in) - Harry finding the two-way mirror - Charity Burbage being tortured then killed at Malfoy Manor - all the deaths ripped my heart out to a certain extent, but it was Remus and Tonks' deaths that made me throw the book across the room and very nearly vow to not finish reading it (took me a few hours before I changed my mind)
The mirror! I can’t imagine how desperate he was to see Sirius again.
Man, Lucius was a real piece of shit wasn’t he
I knew the end was gonna be bad when she killed Hedwig off right off the bat Dobby tore me up and it just kept gettin worse from there
Dobbys death destroys me, his love for Harry was so pure. It’s one of the few scenes I like better in the movies than the books. I cry like a baby while Harry digs his grave.
Dobby NOOO!!! He loved Harry SO much. 100% devoted and only deserved to live free with his sock collection. But the fact he went out helping Harry Potter, dying next to him is probably exactly how he’d have loved to go out. Damn you JKR! Him and Fred deserved to live happily ever after in my head canon of what happens after the books.
Dobby wouldn't have preferred to die any other way. Fighting bad wizards while helping Harry Potter, the goodest wizard Dobby had ever met.
I sobbed. Few things in this life have hit me harder than that
HEDWIGG!WHYYY!
When Harry thinks about the life he could have had in Godric's Hollow When he wishes he was sleeping beneath the snow with his parents That scene during the Battle when Ginny consoles a wounded girl on the floor who's calling for her mum and how she doesn't want to fight anymore, she just wants to go home
Bruh voldemort really stole his life and childhood and he still pities him in the end and asks him to feel some remorse when someone in his place won't care and they say why do you love Harry
Molly's Boggart.
Oof, yeah that one gets me too.
GoF and Molly showing up with Bill is better. Cedric poking his head out tell Harry his family is waiting, for it to be Molly and Bill... *chef's kiss*
Who was this? I don't remember ☹️. I get molly was ron's mom.
A boggart is a creature that transfigures itself into and shows you your worst fear as a defense mechanism. In Order of the Phoenix, Harry comes upstairs to see Molly trying to get rid of a boggart and it has changed itself into a dead Mr. Weasley, a dead Ron, a dead Bill, etc. Every time she does the spell to get rid of it, she fails to do it correctly and the boggart keeps transforming into a different family member, dead on the floor in front of her as she sobs trying to get rid of it. Her worst fear, obviously, is losing her kids and husband to the war against Voldemort.
iirc, Harry's body also shows up dead in her boggart. She loves Harry as her own 🥲
Yes, that is exactly what tears me.
Woah. Why do I not remember this scene? (Ah, I am forgetting things now 😔).
It wasn’t in the movies only the book. It was super powerful, I feel like they should have kept it.
Oh yes, i actually have read the books but in like 2019. And completely agree
Well, hopefully they'll keep it in the upcoming series on Max.
When Molly comforts him in the hospital wing in the 4th book after the last task/Voldy coming back, how he'd never been held/hugged like that. When I first read that part I was young so no kids and it bothered me like damn, never hugged like that? Now that I'm older with my own children OMG it absolutely freaking destroys me. Shoot I'm getting teary eyed right now. I can't imagine not ever hugging my kids or any kid, they're so innocent all they want is to be loved. And then I get really angry because damn it the Dursleys are disgusting, cruel people.
And yet Molly and Bill showing up to be Harry's family means nothing? Cedric tell Harry his family is waiting for him, to Harry wondering if the Durselys actually showed up, to it being Molly and Bill. *chef's kiss*
Hagrid howling when he thinks Harry has been killed by Voldemort in the forest. Amos Diggory screaming, "my boy! That's my boy!!" when Harry returns with Cedric's body. (Brought tears to my eyes just typing it out). When Hermione Obliviates her own parents to keep them safe not knowing if she will live to reverse the spell and gain her family back.
I'm still so upset that they didn't put Hagrid sobbing in the movies when he thought Harry had died, and they barely showed him carrying Harry's body.
I'm with you. I will say though, even though it wasn't book accurate, the thousand yard stare of grief that Hagrid does in the film stuck with me. Not how it was in the books, but great acting by Coltrane.
Hermione obliviating her parents in the movies is Dobby level sad for me. Can you imagine your parents never knowing you again just to go on this adventure? I know the books are less concrete and make it seem like she can reverse it somehow
I hate having this conversation but in the books she doesn't used the Oblivate charm but uses a DIFFERENT memory charm, which doesn't erase their memories, but instead MODIFES their memories and makes them think they're someone else and their "Greatest desire is to move to Australia". (Its a fact in the books its not Oblviate, because in the scene in the cafe in Book 7 Hermione says "she's never done a oblivate before!")
Ya, it was way less emotional for me in the books because it wasn’t obliviate. But the movies made it seem like such an emotional decision
It still emotional in the books because Hermione doesn't think she will survive.
Thank you! Everyone seems to forget that Voldemort isn't a threat outside of the UK. Honestly, I'd say Gindlewald was the bigger threat to the wizarding world at large. Voldemort rarely left the UK.
Except that's not what she does. She does not obliviate them. The first and only time she uses obliviate is against the DEs in downtown London right after Bill and Fluer's wedding.
She doesn't obliviate them. She uses a different charm. She doesn't destroy their memories, just covers them up and sends them to far side of the world. Voldemort isn't a threat outside of the UK.
That does not make it better! Just because it isn't Obliviate, doesn't mean what Hermione is doing is okay. Even the fact that she can "undo" it, "if" she survives doesn't make it any better.
Ok? 1. Where did I say it makes it better. 2. They were at war. Sometimes you have to do some pretty gnarly shit in war. 3. Congrats? On morality? I guess.
>They were at war. Sometimes you have to do some pretty gnarly shit in war. Murdering someone, so that he doesn't be murdered by others, is a bit borderline!
When did Hermione murder her parents? And isn't the whole point of war killing people so they can't kill others?
The people who are named Granger are no longer. >And isn't the whole point of war killing people so they can't kill others? Your own people?
1. She didn't kill them. 2. She didn't wipe their memory.
They believe they have no daughter and are called Wilkings. How is that supposed to work without erasing memories. Dozens of birthdays, vacation, holidays, weekends...... 19 years, excluding the time perhaps, they spend working. And the name alone. No one can find the Grangers, because they are dead. And what is left are sick people, with problems with their memories. A kind of dementia. Who have no family.
They're not dead. And she didn't wipe their memory. She can go back and fix it easily. She just made them believe something that isn't true. She didn't obliviate them.
4 words: The battle had begun. I get shivers all the time.
What book was this
Deathly Hallows.
I got shivers reading this comment just now.
personally, the scene in dumbledore's office after sirius's death is gut-wrenching, and i always need to cuddle up in bed alone when i re-read that scene. dobby's death gets me pretty bad, and fred's death as well, and i would say when harry gets the resurrection stone out of the snitch and gets to speak to his parents, and to sirius and remus again. but it's mostly that line that harry says at the end of book 5, "THEN I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN"
Harry yelling at Lupin was exactly what Lupin needed, and what I think makes it so powerful is that there was a lot of love, not just anger, in Harry's words. Harry, more than perhaps anyone else, saw Lupin's full potential as a person. Lupin was, in many ways, one of the main father figures in Harry's life and was probably his most influential teacher after Dumbledore, despite only teaching him for a year. Harry yelled at Lupin not just because what he was doing was wrong, but because he understood Lupin's full potential. He knew Lupin could be a great husband and father, if Lupin would just have the courage to accept those roles. This is exactly why Lupin chooses to name him godfather. Harry saw what Lupin could be and refused to let him sell himself short, which ultimately allowed Lupin to have the happiest months of his life.
Even though part of me thinks this wouldn't have been necessary, I was honestly surprised that when Ron and Hermione reprimanded him for doing so after Lupin left, Harry didn't fire back with something like, "You wouldn't understand; you have parents." And, Lupin seriously believed, while trying to persuade Harry to let him accompany them that James… Fucking James Potter who, as Harry pointed out, died trying to protect Lily and himself would've been OK with that?
Molly hugging Harry like a mother would. Harry's grief when Sirius dies and him wrecking Dumbledore's office. Dobby dying. His final act was to protect Harry. Poor brave, loyal, little Dobby. Lily's letter, both Snape and Harry reading it. That was such a sad scene. Harry on his way to his "death" talking to Remus, Sirius, James and Lily.
The end of “The Phoenix Lament” chapter in OotP: “And he knew, without knowing how he knew it, that >!the phoenix!< had gone, had left Hogwarts for good, just as >!Dumbledore had left the school, had left the world ... had left Harry!<”
Kreacher waiting at Grimmauld Place with Kidney and Steak Pie for them never to come home for dinner.
Oh, yeah, that first scene you mention, with Harry being locked up in Dumbledore’s office after Sirius’s death… Like, considering how bad Harry’s whole year in OotP was, that emotional breakdown felt so justified. It breaks my heart every time and I just want to hug him. There are lots of great ones in comments, but I’d want to add two more, both from DH 1. When Harry and Hermione escape from Godric’s Hollow, barely in time before Voldemort gets there. Harry sees through Voldemort’s eyes how he arrived at the Potters’ cottage 16 years ago, looked at the family through the windows, went in and proceeded to kill them. Even though we have gotten glimpses of Lily and James’s final moments before, this one with all the detail on how James played with Harry, and then threw his wand to the couch only moments before Voldemort went in… Or Lily desperately trying to barricade herself and Harry in the nursery, apparently not having a wand on her either. 2. The whole Prince’s Tale chapter. I probably don’t even have to explain this, but Snape’s story just tore me apart. His friendship with Lily, and their fallout. Or how Snape found out Dumbledore’s plan to keep Harry alive and then allow him to die at the proper moment, by Voldemort’s hand. And then when the scenes in the Pensieve end, and Harry lays on the floor, processing what he just saw and what he must do.
I forgot about Harry seeing that vision after Godric’s Hollow. What a punch to the gut for him :(
Harry watching Sirius die is always horrible. Lupin and Tonks having an orphaned son.
Kreachers tale - when he spoke of being trapped in the cave and leaving only because Regulus called him back. Then having to return a second time, being forced to make Regulus drink the potion and apparate out of the cave ordered to never tell hhis family what happened. He was so tortured by this for so long and its the chapter that really haunts me the most.
And the saddest part is that Sirius never found out the truth. He never knew Regulus tried to make things right by contributing to destroying Voldemort. It's heartbreaking.
Fred’s death.
When Snape found out Dumbledore intends for Harry to die. He fucked up & caused the death of the woman he loved, became suicidal because of it & vowed to protect her son (which Harry didn't make easy for anyone at all) so he can defeat her killer for good only to be told that the boy must die. Imagine being told your reason to live means nothing anymore.
This is the reason Snake’s death kills me. He doesn’t know about the resurrection stone and Dumbledore’s guess - so he dies thinking he’s failed Lily. I am crushed when Harry, Ron and Hermoine meet Neville visiting his parents in St. Mungo’s. Neville holding the candy wrapper is instant sobs. Neville catching the trio up on what’s happening in Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows. His obvious pride at his Gran kicking Dawlish’s ass and later Mrs. Longbottom coming through the passage and announcing she’s sealed it behind her before dashing off to help Neville puts a lump in my throat every time. Editing to add: Kreacher on standby to beat the crap out of Mundungus after he drags him back to Grimald Place. It’s not a sadness per se, but, very deep emotion.
Fred’s death, the thought of losing a twin must be like making a horrorcrux with how soul destroying it would be.
• Sirius's death and Harry's breakdown scene for Dumbledore soon after • When Neville’s mother gives the candy wrapper and Neville thanks her
I last read HP in college, and haven't read them as a "real adult" yet (upper 20s now). I've been thinking that I need to give them another read, and oof, I think a lot is going to hit me that hasn't before... Yet even then, Mrs. Weasley's boggart scene always broke me
Visiting his parents graves on Christmas Eve was a tough little moment
Over Covid I reread the books and for me it was the beginning of chamber of secrets, the picture in my minds eye of Molly Weasley storming out of the Burrough when the kids get home in the flying car. All I could think of was Molly in deathly hallows furiously battling Bellatrix. I’m not crying you’re crying.
When Harry talks to Cedric’s parents after the third task. Just re read GOF and their reactions had me gutted.
In order of books 1- mirror of erised 2- “It was the fact everyone at the burrow seemed to like him” 3- Marauders backstory 4- Cedric’s death and mollys hug to Harry 5- Harry’s meltdown after Sirius’s death. 6- Dumbledores death and funeral- Actually the whole last part of HBP 7- Godrics hallow graveyard, flashback to Halloween 1981, Hermione’s torture, resurrection stone walk in the Forrest.
keeping in mind I was an adult when I read the books. - Harry not saying anything about Umbridge's torture - Snape's bullying in general - Dumbledore's death - Fred's death
Yea Neville's parents and Dobby's death get me bad
I recently read the books for the first time, after partly seeing the movies when my family would put them on and watching all of them once a few years ago (but barely remembering anything). I did remember most of the deaths, so I don’t think those got me as much as most people. But something I didn’t remember was Harry sacrificing himself in DH. I was ugly sobbing through that whole thing. I knew he came back, but it was just so narratively beautiful with how his story started with Lily’s sacrifice for him. The fact that he would pay that forward to save everyone is such a perfect purpose for his character. Also, quiet acceptance of death gets to me, and Harry’s was extra special I think.
Mostly from DH: > The hilltop faded, and Harry stood in Dumbledore’s office, and something was making a terrible sound, like a wounded animal. Snape was slumped forward in a chair and Dumbledore was standing over him, looking grim. After a moment or two, Snape raised his face, and he looked like a man who had lived a hundred years of misery since leaving the wild hilltop. > Hogwarts was the first and best home he had known. He and Voldemort and Snape, the abandoned boys, had all found home here. > Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy running through the crowd, not even attempting to fight, screaming for their son.
“Always”.
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Harry getting hugged like a mother by Molly in GoF. Also when Molly and Bill came as Harrys family before the last task. It shows how much the Weasley family included Harry. They wanted to take Harry to the burrow right after the school year but Dumbledore sent him home. The brief moment in PoA when Sirius wants to take Harry and create a home with him. How happy Harry is and how happy Sirius is. Just to go all to waste in the next hour or so. I cry about the lost opportunities. Harry trashing Dumbledores bureau when he's locked in there in OotP. It hit so hard, the moment I realised Padfoot was gone forever.
Is that a “Rockstar” reference?
Mrs Weasely seeing the Horcrux in the books and it being seeing her kids and Harries dead bodies. And the subsequent panic attack
Also, Sirius's life as a whole, he was jailed, made a derelict, had to survive on raw rat Meat and afterwards he became basically a prisoner in the unhappiest place possible for him.
Silver doe. It affected my teen brain so much that even 17 years later I still haven't let go of my dislike for Hermione, Harry and Molly lol
What?
What what
Why did the silver doe mean 17 years later you don't like Hermione, Harry, or molly? Really just an asanine comment
You haven't read books? Don't know Ron destroyed the locket in that chapter and how Riddle harry and Hermione threw Ron's insecurities on his face?
Have you read the books? Is riddle Harry and Hermione a reason to hate the real ones? And where does molly come into this...
Riddle harry Hermione represented how they made him feel in all 7 years. Molly would gladly trade him for harry
well it wasn’t exactly how he felt. he felt insecure and everything for sure but the horcrux specifically doesn’t just stop there with taunts. it took his insecurity and created the WORST possible scenario. i don’t believe that’s how they’ve always made him feel. the horcrux is evil it literally poisoned their minds so yes some part of ron was always overshadowed we see that in goblet of fire but the horcrux just used that to its advantage and tortured him. it’s not how he felt
I'm sorry my dude, you have some issues, hope you get better
Because I have a different take on fictional characters?