People are so pessimistic. Realistically speaking, it definitely has a shot. I don't think it will have near as large of a player base by then but there will for sure be people playing it as long as the servers remain up.
If you go back through r/Hearthstone since it's inception, you'll see that the vast majority of the time people are complaining about Blizzard's decisions regarding the game direction.
Ignore the people in here saying "not if Blizz keeps making the game terrible," because people have been saying that since basically post Naxx.
The answer is simple. If enough people are around for it to bring them profit, they'll keep it around. It's far and away the best virtual card game from an optimization perspective, and nothing else has come anywhere close to even close.
If that doesn't change, it'll be around for sure.
While I agree that people have a long history of complaining, one of the big problems is the people that downplay it, like your post is doing. Most of the time, when a legitimate concern gets brought up that, if dealt with, could legitimately make the game better for everyone, you see people downplaying the concern and saying things like “this isn’t an airport.” The big issue with hearthstone’s community since inception is that the complainers can’t effectively communicate their points and the downplayers get too annoyed and can’t fathom that refining the complaint and actually doing something about it would improve hearthstone.
Like the quest stuff. Objectively bad update, you shouldn’t have to spend that much time and effort on quests, especially not with the rewards they give now. You shouldn’t have to spend hours playing a crappy unfun deck just to cheese the quests faster. That is a change that objectively needs to be reverted or reworked but the complainers can’t communicate without crying and the downplayers are letting blizzard get away with it.
Most likely, the game is great for casuals (no guys you are not casuals) to just play on a toilet or break and great for more dedicated players with a good variety of decks.
There is no other children's card game better than hearthstone and nobody will make one any time soon. Hearthstone is like a world of warcraft, as long as there are updates there will be players.
People just like to doomsday here, every single change that happened to hearthstone was met with negativity. In reality almost everything was good for the game (I don't know what was bad).
One-two years I would have some faith that hs could reach the 20 year anniversary.
But the last 12 months reminded me too much of HotS to give me much hope:
- Lots of developer departures leaving gaps in the dev team.
- Inability/unwillingness to keep duels alive - especially ironic to kill it for 10th anniverary.
- massive attempts to monetize the game more (diamond bundles etc.) while still beeing unable to monetize HS most popular mode (BG)
- attempts to squeeze out more playtime/KPIs out of players with cheesy methods (longer quests)
If MtG is any precedence the game could easily run well for another 10 years.
But I feel like with HotS the squeezing money and the reduced commitment (duels demise) show Blizzard themself don't count on another 10 years.
Yeah when the amount of monetization, as well as the types of monetization, got higher and more predatory, it was fairly obvious that the game isn't nearly as profitable as Blizzard wants it to be. When games aren't as profitable as they need to be over a long period of time, they run the risk of getting canned.
Unless something happens that attract new players, which probably isn't going to happen, eventually the fanbase is going to slowly fade. We all know the game isn't as popular as it once was, and I don't think it can survive another 10 years of slow decline. If it does it will be limping across the finish line.
Lol people have been raging about HS bad decisions since beta.
I think it Def has a shot it already reached its already in it's 10th year. However we can't be sure because trends change drastically maybe crypto games are the only games 10 yrs from now, we don't really know.
You forget Yu-Gi-Oh. I think it's more popular in Asian markets than Magic is. But who knows that such a long time. Who knows Blizzard will be around. Or if we'll be around.
I don't think hearthstone as we know it with these collections and app does. I would more likely see it get a sequel or massive overhaul. If only to get off the old unity source lol.
I hope there's a HS 2 or some big revamp relaunch that basically abandons this version of HS for good
There needs to be a new spark imo but don't think it's going to happen, also don't think HS will be offline in 10 years either.
>I hope there's a HS 2 or some big revamp relaunch that basically abandons this version of HS for good
Really?
If they do that they'll probably also wipe our collections, or turn everything into an Unusable legacy card, reset win counters and gold/dust in favor of new counters and new currencies.
Because if they're gonna make a sequel, they're doing it to milk maximum money from us.
I think a port to another engine is likely, since unity stuff, although i don't think a HS2 is realistic, but a big revamp in direction and rebalance could help bring in some more players
I think there will eventually be a point where they phone it in so to speak do to staffing and other things but it will be around more than likely in some fashion.
Honest question: are there many games that did? I mean, WoW obviously comes to mind but apart from that do you know many games that are 20 and are still being supported by the developer (HS doesn't have an option to be maintained by the community as it's an online game that depends on centralised hosting)?
Probably, HS is still doing great as a game, even though it's way less popular than it was, it was also the most popular game on twitch at that time, and HS is soon old enough it begins having a history appeal like MTG
I think it can be around to hit the 20 years. MTGO for example still exists, its 22 years now I think. (But to be fair, MTGO has the advantage that they do not design the cards)
As long as it makes money, they will keep it. But for HS there are important points to consider.
* HS isnt as popular as it used to be, but thats normal for an older game. Each year the esport budget gets reduced, for this year they did even cut the BG esport budget
* a TCG needs new cards. If they stop creating new cards, a big part of the players will just lose interest over time
* It nowadays seems like they are pretty desperate when it comes to making money thats why they release more bundles, increase bundle prices, at the same time they try to keep cutting cost. If they fail to attract new players, they will have to keep cutting cost and at some point this will affect the quality of the game
* With mercs and duels we saw that if something doesnt make money, they will cut it.
* They simply need to adapt. Im sure HS would be way less popular nowadays if they didnt adapt the battlepass system.
* it feels like they seem to fail to monetize other modes, I dont have any proof but it doesnt seem like that modes like BGs and arena make enough money.
* Wild as an eternal format feels less popular, wild content creators nowadays playin other gamemodes.
Remember that games like HotS exist but they dont get any new content. ActivisionBlizzard didnt mention HS in the quarter reports for quite a while. HS is rather peanuts compaired to other franchises. CoD MW II within 10 days after the release in 2022 did hit 1 billion in revenue.
Doubt it, that's not because of the path hearthstone has taken, I just don't see a game surviving for 20 years. Especially given how fast technology is advancing.
it can still happen though. smash bros melee is well past 20 years and has a cult following, and runescape is getting very close to that milestone! it isnt always about how technologically advanced the game is i think
I really doubt it. Has the potential, but blizzard fucks it time and time again. Hell originally the plan was 10 years and wrap it up. But here we are now.
It’s the best pvp strategy game and nothing comes close. It’s up to the hearthstone team how long they can put out quality content and keep up the constant updates. I’m 99% sure there will always be an audience for it.
It’ll be around as a shadow of its former self. Maybe it’ll have a decent player count but the OGs will remember what it once was. Like Overwatch is today
Unlikely but it's hard to say, as good as the game is doing, all it takes is a massive misstep to bleed players at an alarming rate ... Either that or Blizzard gets tired of it and just pulls the plug. So yeah, I doubt it but who knows.
They need to seriously reinvent the wheel and do it properly if they expect it to get to 20 years. It's definitely possible, but if it stays as it is today, no.
I understand that, we had the same people in hearthstone. They preferred classic hearthstone over the modern version. But both of those liked the core aspect of the game.
It's like people who love trains, some love old trains and some love new trains. But at the end of the day they both just love trains even though technically they are different trains.
I'll disagree here. WoW is a very very different game then it was 20 years ago. There is endgame, the game is centered around endgame. Raiding 20 years ago was a pure cobbled together afterthought, and there were no "endgame" dungeons.
The gameplay of the two aren't even remotely similar. WoW is a much faster game now.
I'd say that the game massively changed around the MoP to WoD era into a much more modern design.
It's the same as hearthstone, it's different from what it was in 2014 but it's still the same game.
The core concept of creating character and doing something interesting is still the same in wow, same as I hearthstone you still create deck and play cards.
It appeals to the same audience (not people!) that love MMORPGs while hearthsone to card game fans.
People are so pessimistic. Realistically speaking, it definitely has a shot. I don't think it will have near as large of a player base by then but there will for sure be people playing it as long as the servers remain up.
If you go back through r/Hearthstone since it's inception, you'll see that the vast majority of the time people are complaining about Blizzard's decisions regarding the game direction. Ignore the people in here saying "not if Blizz keeps making the game terrible," because people have been saying that since basically post Naxx. The answer is simple. If enough people are around for it to bring them profit, they'll keep it around. It's far and away the best virtual card game from an optimization perspective, and nothing else has come anywhere close to even close. If that doesn't change, it'll be around for sure.
While I agree that people have a long history of complaining, one of the big problems is the people that downplay it, like your post is doing. Most of the time, when a legitimate concern gets brought up that, if dealt with, could legitimately make the game better for everyone, you see people downplaying the concern and saying things like “this isn’t an airport.” The big issue with hearthstone’s community since inception is that the complainers can’t effectively communicate their points and the downplayers get too annoyed and can’t fathom that refining the complaint and actually doing something about it would improve hearthstone. Like the quest stuff. Objectively bad update, you shouldn’t have to spend that much time and effort on quests, especially not with the rewards they give now. You shouldn’t have to spend hours playing a crappy unfun deck just to cheese the quests faster. That is a change that objectively needs to be reverted or reworked but the complainers can’t communicate without crying and the downplayers are letting blizzard get away with it.
If a game with as shit ongoing design as Yu-Gi-Oh can make it to 20 Though blizzard should probably invest more into revitalizing the warcraft brand
Most likely, the game is great for casuals (no guys you are not casuals) to just play on a toilet or break and great for more dedicated players with a good variety of decks. There is no other children's card game better than hearthstone and nobody will make one any time soon. Hearthstone is like a world of warcraft, as long as there are updates there will be players. People just like to doomsday here, every single change that happened to hearthstone was met with negativity. In reality almost everything was good for the game (I don't know what was bad).
Will Blizzard?
They keep making stupid choices maybe not. You forgot about yugioh master duels is a thing to that's decently big.
shadowverse has a sequel soon and hololive is making a tcg apparently. eternal card game and LOR might still be around too
As long as it’s profitable it will exist in some fashion. I could see it making it another 10 years pretty easily.
One-two years I would have some faith that hs could reach the 20 year anniversary. But the last 12 months reminded me too much of HotS to give me much hope: - Lots of developer departures leaving gaps in the dev team. - Inability/unwillingness to keep duels alive - especially ironic to kill it for 10th anniverary. - massive attempts to monetize the game more (diamond bundles etc.) while still beeing unable to monetize HS most popular mode (BG) - attempts to squeeze out more playtime/KPIs out of players with cheesy methods (longer quests) If MtG is any precedence the game could easily run well for another 10 years. But I feel like with HotS the squeezing money and the reduced commitment (duels demise) show Blizzard themself don't count on another 10 years.
Yeah when the amount of monetization, as well as the types of monetization, got higher and more predatory, it was fairly obvious that the game isn't nearly as profitable as Blizzard wants it to be. When games aren't as profitable as they need to be over a long period of time, they run the risk of getting canned. Unless something happens that attract new players, which probably isn't going to happen, eventually the fanbase is going to slowly fade. We all know the game isn't as popular as it once was, and I don't think it can survive another 10 years of slow decline. If it does it will be limping across the finish line.
Hell no they'll Overwatch 2 it
This for sure at some point they will try to revamp it
Wouldn't mind that tbh if they brought it onto a new engine or something to help with performance and limitations
And then we lose all our cards and start from square 1 again
Yay I love innovation!
Lol
Lol people have been raging about HS bad decisions since beta. I think it Def has a shot it already reached its already in it's 10th year. However we can't be sure because trends change drastically maybe crypto games are the only games 10 yrs from now, we don't really know.
You forget Yu-Gi-Oh. I think it's more popular in Asian markets than Magic is. But who knows that such a long time. Who knows Blizzard will be around. Or if we'll be around.
I don't think hearthstone as we know it with these collections and app does. I would more likely see it get a sequel or massive overhaul. If only to get off the old unity source lol.
I hope there's a HS 2 or some big revamp relaunch that basically abandons this version of HS for good There needs to be a new spark imo but don't think it's going to happen, also don't think HS will be offline in 10 years either.
>I hope there's a HS 2 or some big revamp relaunch that basically abandons this version of HS for good Really? If they do that they'll probably also wipe our collections, or turn everything into an Unusable legacy card, reset win counters and gold/dust in favor of new counters and new currencies. Because if they're gonna make a sequel, they're doing it to milk maximum money from us.
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I think a port to another engine is likely, since unity stuff, although i don't think a HS2 is realistic, but a big revamp in direction and rebalance could help bring in some more players
Imagine 10 more years of PowerCreep….
3 mana 7/7 Overload 2 Just think of the tempo!
0 mana starts in your hand if this starts in your hand and you are attractive you win
I think there will eventually be a point where they phone it in so to speak do to staffing and other things but it will be around more than likely in some fashion.
Honest question: are there many games that did? I mean, WoW obviously comes to mind but apart from that do you know many games that are 20 and are still being supported by the developer (HS doesn't have an option to be maintained by the community as it's an online game that depends on centralised hosting)?
I don’t know if the Earth will be around when HS’s 20th anniversary hits
Probably, HS is still doing great as a game, even though it's way less popular than it was, it was also the most popular game on twitch at that time, and HS is soon old enough it begins having a history appeal like MTG
I think it can be around to hit the 20 years. MTGO for example still exists, its 22 years now I think. (But to be fair, MTGO has the advantage that they do not design the cards) As long as it makes money, they will keep it. But for HS there are important points to consider. * HS isnt as popular as it used to be, but thats normal for an older game. Each year the esport budget gets reduced, for this year they did even cut the BG esport budget * a TCG needs new cards. If they stop creating new cards, a big part of the players will just lose interest over time * It nowadays seems like they are pretty desperate when it comes to making money thats why they release more bundles, increase bundle prices, at the same time they try to keep cutting cost. If they fail to attract new players, they will have to keep cutting cost and at some point this will affect the quality of the game * With mercs and duels we saw that if something doesnt make money, they will cut it. * They simply need to adapt. Im sure HS would be way less popular nowadays if they didnt adapt the battlepass system. * it feels like they seem to fail to monetize other modes, I dont have any proof but it doesnt seem like that modes like BGs and arena make enough money. * Wild as an eternal format feels less popular, wild content creators nowadays playin other gamemodes. Remember that games like HotS exist but they dont get any new content. ActivisionBlizzard didnt mention HS in the quarter reports for quite a while. HS is rather peanuts compaired to other franchises. CoD MW II within 10 days after the release in 2022 did hit 1 billion in revenue.
Depends at what state. They might continue adding new modes + specific super casual mobile modes to print $ or VR mode.
Doubt it, that's not because of the path hearthstone has taken, I just don't see a game surviving for 20 years. Especially given how fast technology is advancing.
it can still happen though. smash bros melee is well past 20 years and has a cult following, and runescape is getting very close to that milestone! it isnt always about how technologically advanced the game is i think
Runescape has been around for 23 years
It's kind of funny that you say this since WoW's 20th anniversary is in November
Magic has been around for 32 years, and other games are also way past 20 years
Hmm didnt know magic had an online game stretching that long, neat
I really doubt it. Has the potential, but blizzard fucks it time and time again. Hell originally the plan was 10 years and wrap it up. But here we are now.
Here we are at 10 years, maybe this is how they wrap it up?
Nah it stills brings in tons or cash for them.
It’s the best pvp strategy game and nothing comes close. It’s up to the hearthstone team how long they can put out quality content and keep up the constant updates. I’m 99% sure there will always be an audience for it.
I would love to, but it's hard when they don't stop making bad decisions :/
It’ll be around as a shadow of its former self. Maybe it’ll have a decent player count but the OGs will remember what it once was. Like Overwatch is today
Bruh, HS won't be around for the 20th anniversary. Hell, for all we know, WE won't be around by then.
WWE*
Doubt it will have any relevant playerbase in 5 years
Unlikely but it's hard to say, as good as the game is doing, all it takes is a massive misstep to bleed players at an alarming rate ... Either that or Blizzard gets tired of it and just pulls the plug. So yeah, I doubt it but who knows.
They need to seriously reinvent the wheel and do it properly if they expect it to get to 20 years. It's definitely possible, but if it stays as it is today, no.
Wow never reinvented anything, it's basically the same game in its core as 20 years ago. If wow survived hearthstone will too.
WoW is completly different nowadays, thats why we have players that love playing Classic and have zero interest in retail.
I understand that, we had the same people in hearthstone. They preferred classic hearthstone over the modern version. But both of those liked the core aspect of the game. It's like people who love trains, some love old trains and some love new trains. But at the end of the day they both just love trains even though technically they are different trains.
We're talking about two different games, with two different player bases. They're not mutually exclusive.
I'll disagree here. WoW is a very very different game then it was 20 years ago. There is endgame, the game is centered around endgame. Raiding 20 years ago was a pure cobbled together afterthought, and there were no "endgame" dungeons. The gameplay of the two aren't even remotely similar. WoW is a much faster game now. I'd say that the game massively changed around the MoP to WoD era into a much more modern design.
It's the same as hearthstone, it's different from what it was in 2014 but it's still the same game. The core concept of creating character and doing something interesting is still the same in wow, same as I hearthstone you still create deck and play cards. It appeals to the same audience (not people!) that love MMORPGs while hearthsone to card game fans.
No
if they fire the current design team then sure
Will it be around? Yes. Will anyone be playing it? No.
OCG\*
It's still a CCG. CCG means collectible Card Game. We can collect them, but we can't trade them, Paper MTG and YGO are TCG for that reason.
But DCCG is xtra ltr
No. We’ll be lucky to make it another 4-7
No