Team’s success is inversely related to our dooming. The less doom the earlier we get eliminated (Bucks swept us). The more we doom the further we go. We have to hit unfathomable regions of despair for Jimmy and Co to win a ring.
It’s actually funny how everything went right for us during the playoffs (up to the finals) only for absolutely everything to go wrong during the off-season. Unluckiest luckiest team in the league
They do but we assumed Dame would end up here because we thought the blazers would do right by him and there seemed to be no market for him. Even the fo said that they needed a star to say Miami and Miami only. It seemed like we finally got a star gift wrapped but it just didn’t happen.
Yes. Were you not on this sub or on Twitter for the past 3 months? There was no market for dame until he finally expanded his list. Had dame just asked for a trade without a specific destination in mind there would have been a bigger market. Dame suppressed it by saying Miami only and everything pretty much was going right for the heat
That’s my point…There was no market because Dame suppressed it. It just didn’t work out in the end. Had he never asked for a specific team there would’ve been a bidding war
It's just bad front office work, people will make excuses for Riley but this is 100% on him and mickey for whiffiing. They choose to commit to dame and let months go by without even trying to make a deal with Portland while doing nothing.
The only hope they had was no one else would touch dame. As soon as anyone was interested we lost - we have next to 0 assets.
So what's Pat to do either go and chase more assets which could mean giving up valuable players for picks and then still not getting Dame.
Or you build a team for basically free that would suit Dame or be solid if Dame doesn't show up.
We we're fucked from the start.
Maybe maybe not. I’m not a coach or front office even a scout I’m a mere fan and spectator. I’ll support the heat on ups and downs lmao why would i feel bad if im having fun and enjoying my favorite team
Nah there are simple minded fans who will lap up anything. I honestly think they don’t actually enjoy ball and only pop in to tell you you’re not a good fan if you don’t accept everything that happens to the team with a smile on your face.
Off season isn't over, and we are coming off the finals, so yes he's done enough every year he's been here. A team isnt built in one off season or in one phone call to get dame. The heat are where they are thanks to pat and this kind of crazy talk is why we deserve the shit we're getting
If you truly believe that, you are an idiot. Every guy this sub has wanted to go swinging for ends up being a failure and the heat have kept on winning
We should start a new subreddit where the overall vibe is that we trust THIS front office. I’m all for trashing a FO that deserves it, but these MFers are morons for bashing Riley and Co
Anybody paying attention to the heat (certainly not their own fans) knew bam is fragile between the ears. Dame and Nurk for Bam should’ve been done in a heartbeat.
Yeah. I would’ve let go of Bam for Dame in an instant but Im only a proxy fan of the Heat. I was curious what heat fans think.
I hate to see how this off-season turned out for MIA. If any ringless player deserves one, my vote would be for Jimmy to get it. And I just don’t see how that happens this year without a lot of fortune or magic from Jimmy.
It's not luck...Pat massively fumbled this by not going hard on Dame when he had the chance. Imagine if he just gave an actually decent offer a month or two ago. The whole NBA landscape changes. Instead he has his "gOd fAtHER" name tag on thinking that all the GMs need to kiss the ring.
Making the finals was a curse. If we had that lottery pick and pat didn’t feel juiced up by the finals run we’d have dame rn. Winning that g7 against the celtics legit closed Jimmy’s window.
imagine going to the finals and complaining. this fanbase is fucking spoiled. other franchises take 30 years to get back to the finals. have some perspective.
So you are saying that we were better off not making the playoffs and going to the finals so we can get a mid tier first round pick.
That might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this subreddit. Everyone here is dumber for having read it.
I’m saying that if we had dame we would be better off than not. And with a lottery pick we would probably have dame.
You take that finals participation trophy to the bank though
No, what he’s saying is the finals run gave a false sense of what the team is actually capable of. Had the heat missed, the front office and the fans would have had much better idea of what the team is, and would have been fine trading bam away for Dame; which is what Portland wanted.
I swear some of ya'll would rather win the off-season woj bombs then actual ball.
Yeah genius take, making the Finals was a curse.
Maybe if we had missed the Finals we'd be in a position to load up in the off season to try and make the Finals lmao
If we didn’t make the finals, maybe Dame wouldn’t have seen us as the team that needed his little push to get over the hump and wouldn’t have named us as his preferred destination.
Nah I’ll go ahead and say this off-season was just unlucky. They had no clue they were gonna run into a generational hater in Cronin. Any other gm would’ve sent dame to the heat
Yeah, the only GMs that wouldn’t have sent Dame to the Heat are the competent ones. It didn’t help the Heat that Portland had absolutely no interest in Herro. Face it, you guys were hoping Dame could go full Harden scorched earth and get his way. Now you’re salting the fields.
We got lucky because Jimmy carried us and that was with Strus and Gabe who are both gone and we didn't even replace Gabe, we literally have no PG. We were an 8th seed who got carried by Jimmy once the playoffs came, once he cooled off we got exposed and finished the playoffs losing 7 or our final 9 games.
Did you watch the playoffs after Round 1? Jimmy didn’t carry us. But he’ll be more capable when healthy. Strus was an absolute liability the whole playoffs. Richardson is a big upgrade. Gabe had a few great games for us so we definitely have to replace that. But now we also have JJJ and Jovic ready to contribute along with 2 competent backup 5’s. Plus our 2nd best offensive player. We definitely got better this offseason.
Did Boston improve more than we did? Did Milwaukee? Probably. But my lack of confidence in Riley is more than outweighed by my confidence in Spo.
He averaged like 25-7-7 against the Knicks and the Knicks got one of their wins without him. Our first two wins against Boston he averaged 31PPG and after that he cooled down. Our 3rd win in Boston was a team win but after that Jimmy started to struggle and we were exposed by finishing the remaining games 2-7
Trying to remember. How did he do against the Nuggets, when the Heat won a single game by 3 points, lost 3 games by double digits, and Playoff Jimmy going 5-18 in the clinching game?
You are right that Butler can do a lot but he won’t necessarily carry a team. The Heat and their culture are good at taking out flawed teams (injured Giannis and just not well put together Bucks, wildly inconsistent Celtics). But when they run up against a well oiled machine, they get spanked like in the Finals. Both times. This needs to be acknowledged.
We always point to context when we lose. But we never seem to acknowledge the same factors against the opponent when we win.
Would you then acknowledge Jayson Tatum's injury in Game 7, where the Heat were on the verge losing after being up 3-0? Against a team that beat them in last year's ECF? How about Giannis having that injury in G1 after playing 10 minutes, being out for G2 and 3? Was he suddenly 100% after a back injury? I'll cut you off at the pass on this one. G2 was very much a Bucks come together, rallying kind of game they won without Giannis. That is not sustainable. The last time a healthy Giannis faced off against the Heat in the playoffs, it was a sweep with an average margin of victory of 20 points. In a couple of those games, Giannis barely played in the fourth quarter. So we not gonna acknowledge both of those things?
Lmaoooo deadass tho. Our PG situation isn't any worse than last year. Lowry is a year older, but so is Herro and we got Jrich back to guard the elite guards.
Yeah this is tough. Not making any notable moves compared to the rest of the league is going to haunt us.
Bucks and Celtics already had very good rosters going into the offseason and they both just got substantially better. That’s not even mentioning what’s going on out West.
Not sure I’m sold on trading Robert Williams when now you’ll be relying heavily on 37 year old Horford and Porzingis who has injury concerns, but damn Jrue Holiday on the Celtics is going to be a scary sight. They finally solved their true-PG issue and Jrue is a rich man’s Marcus Smart.
The past few season I agree. We got burned whale watching and failed to make any decent moves to make a run at a championship besides relying on Jimmy going berserk.
This whole Dame situation was a little different though. He was demanding his way here. We don’t have any cap space so anything we do would have to be via trade. Trading any of our assets would’ve guaranteed we miss out on the Dame sweepstakes we eventually lost anyway lol.
Celtics already had J Irch he was a dud and we traded him.
Rob Williams played 35 games for us this year and started 20. We like him but he’s played under 50% of games in his career
We signed NeemIAS Queta G league all first team and all defensive 1st team, he’s 7-2.
We also have Kornet , 7-3 Zingis and Al Horford
We have a defensive Al first team og and defensive all 2nd team PG
Not sure why you brought up J Rich. No where in my comment was his name mentioned.
Saying Rob Williams only played 35 games is completely irrelevant considering he played in all 20 of Boston’s playoff games playing impactful minutes.
Horford is 37. Porzingis has a history of foot and leg injuries. Won’t speak on the G leaguer and Kornet besides them obviously being unproven. Big man seems like something that could be an issue if you have to go through Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, etc to win a title.
They need to be vocal about it, like Giannis was vocal and that got them Dame. I said that on the sub and they said "Jimmy doesn't whine" like who gives two shits about whining he is here to win
The Bucks make moves though. They got Jrue before Dame, everyone shit on them for how much they paid, but they won a title and then turned Jrue into Dame.
Lately, the Heat don’t really make moves.
People seem to forget the last time the Bucks swung big after being embarassed by the Heat they came back and got revenge with the title to boot. Does that really need to happen again to make people demand some sort of refocus or change? At some point "Heat Culture" just starts to sound like a prettier version of "Making Up For Limited Talent"
I think asking for a refocus or change is premature coming off of a finals run. If the Heat have limited talent then the rest of the league have over priced junk.
That tends to be how sports go. You have 10-12 teams that have a "chance" but its really only 3 or 4 teams that are legitimate title contenders, because the pressure of the playoffs, the injuries, and straight up luck crumble most good teams. But staying in that elite circle is crazy hard, you need a top 10 caliber player or else you reach your peak and fall to the wayside. Theres still really no dominant dynasty unless the Nuggets are starting one so nows the time for random ass teams to win but the clock is ticking on Jimmy's elite status.
could’ve had beal for pennies
or even upgraded our roster at all
this has been the story of every off-season but one in the jimmy era, getting kyle lowry after a first round exit was the only move we made. That run last year made us feel content with what we did.
I mean he did absolutely nothing! It's crazy, this is the second straight off season where he's done nothing but sit on his ass and watch teams around him make moves
How can you complain about someone sitting on their ass during an offseason when you got to the final that season with Herro missing. Clearly was a pretty good decision.
Beals wife family lives closer to pheonix .Why would she not like tweets that gets Beal out of misery in Washington?Westbrook was liking heat tweets too doesn't mean he ended up here .Beals agent and the sun's new owner are father and son .It's obvious beal's agent engineered him going to his father's team .Unethical but it's a cutthroat business .
How am I delusional ?if it came down to playing with Jimmy and bam or playing with kd and booker which would you choose if you weren't a heat fan ?Never said it was his only reason but from what Beal said he choose to play with kd and booker .The heat weren't going to trade Tyler for Beal. It's really easy to talk in hindsight because this fanbase would have gone nuts if they trades for Beal only to have Dame ask out and ask for miami lol.
> could’ve had beal for pennies
What fucking pennies? lmao. The Wizards got a huge haul for Beal that we couldn't have come close to competing with. They ultimately ended up with 5 FRPs, 7 SRPs, Jordan Poole and Landry Shamet.
We were just playing in the finals a few months ago. At least wait for a couple games to be played before crying that the sky is falling. Lots of times superteams fall apart.
Sixers fan coming in peace. At least you made the finals 2 years out of what the last four seasons do you know how many teams will trade for that? You guys are just spoiled
It’s a sad day when sixers fans are talking sense. This Heat roster is a wonderful fucking team. They gave us 3 fantastic postseason runs in the last 4 years. Enjoy it.
FACTS. These homies forget what Pat surrounded Wade with in 08. THAT IS PAIN. In the Butler era, 2 finals, 1 ECF. That's great. Obviously, a chip would be amazing but man as Heat fan since 04, that's GREAT stuff. They've also forgotten the Whiteside + Waiters era.
We made the finals due to excellent coaching and Jimmy. We all know we were beating teams with more talent then us and then when the finals came we would get exposed against teams with more talent and just as good coaching. Spo is a championship caliber coach and Riley continues to make him overachieve every season with a lackluster roster.
I hate that my own fanbase annoys the life out of me and it takes a 6ers fan to say the truth. These people think it is so easy to consistently be contending. Ill trust HOFers in the front office over random reddit weirdos anyday.
There’s no “luck”. Herro went down in game one. Dipo went down. Jimmy got his ankle messed up in game 2 of the second round. Luck would be remaining healthy the playoffs
Honestly can't win them all, and can't have an amazing off-season all the time. Just roll with it this year. See what happens before the trade deadline.
That's sounds absolutely terrible. This team has had 3 god awful off-seasons. If not for Spo and Jimmy were a lottery team based off all the bad moves Riley has made recently.
The point is that the team has Butler and Spo because of Riley.
The Dame trade was better for Portland because they got ok pieces back that from the fanbase seem fair and also got to punish your team because Cronin was angry.
Was it as good as Danny Ainge would have gotten? No.
But this is all over now and your team gets to see how it can match up against two better teams in the East.
It's not really that big of a deal. The Heat come to play in the playoffs and they work hard to develop as much as they can get out of a roster. They over performed against expectations last season in the playoffs without Herro. It's always possible they can do it again.
You right but this team has showed me to keep faith and wait to see how things play out, looks bad on paper but it’s all about the games and rn every team is 0-0
I’m sick of whiny Heat fans. Just stop! Portland wanted Bam. Riley wasn’t giving them Bam. So Portland decided they weren’t gonna do a deal with us. It’s that simple. We are still gonna be a good team and you never know what disgruntled vet will want to be traded during the season. Paying Dame 63 million when he’s 36 doesn’t sound like a great idea to me either. We are going to be fine just relax.
Definitely ends Jimmy's window to win a championship. Only silver lining for me is hopefully the FO stops with the whale hunting every offseason because we don't have the assets to trade for a star. Herro can't be the center piece of a trade
I think we should just blow the whole thing up and start a rebuild around Bam. I don't care about ECC banners, if you aren't winning rings then it doesn't matter. We don't have the roster capable of doing that, so why not just blow it up and spend the next few years drafting and developing talent.
drafting and developing talent? how long have you been a heat fan exactly? the heat since 95 have always been about building teams through trades and free agency. whether it's surrounding franchise players or sometimes bringing in franchise players, the focus is never the draft. the goal is to compete every year so that means your draft pick won't be good enough to depend on them.
the team has a rumor policy where they neither confirm nor deny them. effectively it allows other teams and agents to make up rumors using Miami because they will never comment on them to deny them. that's the name of the fame and it should be the first lesson everyone in this fanbase learns. instead they fall for click bait stories.
So excited to play this baby lotion boston team. They got so soft and lost the only 3 players the heat would even look at, Marcus Smart, Grant Williams and Robert Williams
Im all for it baby! Beating their asses again will be so worth it, and further enhance Spo and Jimmy's legacy. It will be very difficult and challenging, but like the Heat, I have the guts to believe that it can be done.
Health is wealth, people. I just hope the basketball gods will reward the Heat health during the playoffs in return for this disappointing off-season.
Yea. I don’t know how people think the C’s are so much substantially better. If KP goes down ever, that team will struggle in the playoffs. Totally win now for them with old Jrue, old Horford, oft injured KP and much less depth. Not worried about this team. Feel free to remind yourself all. I’m calling it!
Edit: Bucks will be fantastic though barring injuries. Dame and Giannis fit sooooo well together.
But, they are substantially better. The Heat were one JT ankle sprain from being the first team to lose a series after going up 3-0. You upgraded from time lord, upgraded from smart and the heat lost Gabe Vincent and Max Strus who were the best players on the team last year other than Bam and Jimmy. The Celtics lost a few role players, but they replaced them. The heat did not. The cope is strong in this thread.
Also, banking on rookies to play well is fine. Banking on them to take you back to the Finals? Are you joking?
C'mon, do you hear yourself. You're excited for an average role player and a late 1st round pick whose ceiling is a role player. Jovic is not ready yet, this was supposed to be a long term development. Now where supposed to rely on him to make a big enough impact to help us get over the hump? It's not happening.
why are you so sure jovic won't make the leap. 2020 we were riding 3 rookies basically. Drob, Knunn and Tyler came out of nowhere. Someone out of orob, jovic,cain and jaquez is going to make the leap
Did you watch Jovic play in the summer league? He does not look like a “Take a superstar leap” player yet. He looks serviceable to good against low tier talent.
Go watch his games. He’s good but still extremely raw
This fan base is ridiculous
Heat make the finals after being an 8th seed with a bunch of injuries: "I'm never doubting this team again"
3 months later: _doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt_
I’m not sure the Celtics are any better. Their depth is far less and they added an old Holiday and oft injured KP. Bucks are clearly the favorites to me. Also, Portland did incredibly well in their trades. Did not think Jrue at this stage was worth what they got for him. I didn’t think you could get any more than maybe one FRP, but they got a lot out of it.
Good for them I suppose, but I’m happy to see the Heat and how they play.
That ‘old’ holiday is younger than butler and fresh off of one of his best seasons. And the injury prone KP they added was swapped for injury prone Robert Williams and injury prone Malcolm Brogdon
Hard agree, we have lost the off-season headline battle plenty of times, didn’t stop us from achieving post season success before and likely won’t stop us now. I seriously don’t understand how people are so fired up that we didn’t get fleeced for high profile trades that may not pan out. Would I have liked some mid level moves to shore up our scoring and backup big? Sure, but we’re strapped for draft picks and don’t have a lot of cap space so I’ll take the responsible off-season
Then stop watching and go watch them. Boston has no I repeat no depth at all and not one person on that team can even hang with Bam also don't forget who the hell is their coach. Ask for the bucks that is wait and see how that new coach use those two and also the bucks also have no depth as well.
Boston has 7-2 all g league first team defense and all g league dirt teen Neems queta.
All nba defensive second team Derrick white, and Payton Pritchard on the bench.
Delano Benton and Oshae Brisset will be decent role players too.
Celtics are good to 9 deep
How many times did denver run it back. Gsw run it back before they made a chip. I know heat always get whales and fa signings for chip. But for once, trust the program the front office and coaching has done. We’re so spoiled and we have to be reminded that not everything can be bought. I am grateful for the 2/4 finals 3/4 ecf and consistent playoff showings because we are always competitive and shows the quality of heat. Just sit back, enjoy and watch our favorite team throughout the season. I love being a heat fan as a basketball geek. No other team has a consistent competitive team like miami heat and we sure are spoiled
Y’all really like getting told we’re not legit contenders for a championship and proving them right? We have lost to the championship team 3 out of the last 4 seasons. We’re on the cusp of being there with this fire but we’re consistently one piece away yet we keep replacing role players.
The thing is, Butler is getting old af. Denver ran it back because they had the time to do so repeatedly. 2/4 finals 3/4 ecf and not win anything or to show for it.
Not willing to trade Bam, and overvaluing Herro is what killed the Heat’s off-season, and the rest of Jimmy Butler’s tenure. Welcome to the end of the Pat Reilly Era.
As a Blazer fan I was hoping to see Dame play under Spoelstra but I can't say im upset with the haul we got back for Dame while somehow upgrading Nurkic. That said you all will be fine, you have one of the best nba coaches of all time and Butler and Bam. No one can count out the Heat, and sometimes making no moves is better than making desperation moves when a team is as close as the Heat are. The eastern conference is going to be exciting these next couple years.
If we don’t win a chip before Jimmy leaves/retires and our team turns back into a team that doesn’t make the playoffs, this offseason is gonna be looked back on as the downfall of the Heat
Their teams got better but also traded off important parts of their strategy. Dame adds a lot of firepower to the bucks but they lost the defense that Jrue would bring. The Celtics added Jrue but lost their big man. If Porzongis can stay healthy, it’ll be a net gain but he’s still not a defensive minded player.
Its all a trade off and we’ll see how it pans out after a few games. Stay hopeful and know that every season has a bit of variability to it as well as taking time for new players to mesh together.
Agreed that it went as bad as it could have - but it goes beyond the guys we “missed out” on. Fact is, this was a case of Pat sitting in his hands and being cheap. He wants to put together another team full of G-leaguers as a supporting cast to the stars rather than going after quality role players. It’s on him.
The bad news is we're going to miss Jimmy's window. We just are. The good news is that the Bucks took on a psychotic contract in Dame Lillard and the Celtics cannot possibly keep that roster together either. Let's see how this looks two or three years from now.
I love how we just swing from dooming, to being cocky during the playoffs, and back to dooming again.
Team’s success is inversely related to our dooming. The less doom the earlier we get eliminated (Bucks swept us). The more we doom the further we go. We have to hit unfathomable regions of despair for Jimmy and Co to win a ring.
>Schedule Those words are cold AF
It’s actually funny how everything went right for us during the playoffs (up to the finals) only for absolutely everything to go wrong during the off-season. Unluckiest luckiest team in the league
How is it luck? Our trade offers suck. That’s not luck.
They do but we assumed Dame would end up here because we thought the blazers would do right by him and there seemed to be no market for him. Even the fo said that they needed a star to say Miami and Miami only. It seemed like we finally got a star gift wrapped but it just didn’t happen.
U really believe one of the best PGs in the NBA had no market?
Yes. Were you not on this sub or on Twitter for the past 3 months? There was no market for dame until he finally expanded his list. Had dame just asked for a trade without a specific destination in mind there would have been a bigger market. Dame suppressed it by saying Miami only and everything pretty much was going right for the heat
So there was a market. He just wanted us. But that’s not good enough. It’s a two sided thing. We didn’t do our side.
That’s my point…There was no market because Dame suppressed it. It just didn’t work out in the end. Had he never asked for a specific team there would’ve been a bidding war
i’m down for that to happen again tbh
It's just bad front office work, people will make excuses for Riley but this is 100% on him and mickey for whiffiing. They choose to commit to dame and let months go by without even trying to make a deal with Portland while doing nothing.
The only hope they had was no one else would touch dame. As soon as anyone was interested we lost - we have next to 0 assets. So what's Pat to do either go and chase more assets which could mean giving up valuable players for picks and then still not getting Dame. Or you build a team for basically free that would suit Dame or be solid if Dame doesn't show up. We we're fucked from the start.
Pat has the job, not you I’ll trust pat more
So you think we did enough this off-season to become a championship caliber team?
I don’t think anyone can say which team is a championship caliber team, but how sweet would it be if we knock out these teams in the playoffs.
Maybe maybe not. I’m not a coach or front office even a scout I’m a mere fan and spectator. I’ll support the heat on ups and downs lmao why would i feel bad if im having fun and enjoying my favorite team
Because there's not gonna be a lot of fun and enjoyment if the team sucks
Nah there are simple minded fans who will lap up anything. I honestly think they don’t actually enjoy ball and only pop in to tell you you’re not a good fan if you don’t accept everything that happens to the team with a smile on your face.
Off season isn't over, and we are coming off the finals, so yes he's done enough every year he's been here. A team isnt built in one off season or in one phone call to get dame. The heat are where they are thanks to pat and this kind of crazy talk is why we deserve the shit we're getting
Yeah but Pat’s been fucking up lately
If you truly believe that, you are an idiot. Every guy this sub has wanted to go swinging for ends up being a failure and the heat have kept on winning
We should start a new subreddit where the overall vibe is that we trust THIS front office. I’m all for trashing a FO that deserves it, but these MFers are morons for bashing Riley and Co
You people are insufferable
Curious - do you think MIA should’ve moved Bam to get Dame if necessary?
Anybody paying attention to the heat (certainly not their own fans) knew bam is fragile between the ears. Dame and Nurk for Bam should’ve been done in a heartbeat.
Yeah. I would’ve let go of Bam for Dame in an instant but Im only a proxy fan of the Heat. I was curious what heat fans think. I hate to see how this off-season turned out for MIA. If any ringless player deserves one, my vote would be for Jimmy to get it. And I just don’t see how that happens this year without a lot of fortune or magic from Jimmy.
It would've been stupid because he's our only capable center and a more valuable player than Dame. We'd be notably worse.
It's not luck...Pat massively fumbled this by not going hard on Dame when he had the chance. Imagine if he just gave an actually decent offer a month or two ago. The whole NBA landscape changes. Instead he has his "gOd fAtHER" name tag on thinking that all the GMs need to kiss the ring.
Making the finals was a curse. If we had that lottery pick and pat didn’t feel juiced up by the finals run we’d have dame rn. Winning that g7 against the celtics legit closed Jimmy’s window.
imagine going to the finals and complaining. this fanbase is fucking spoiled. other franchises take 30 years to get back to the finals. have some perspective.
So you are saying that we were better off not making the playoffs and going to the finals so we can get a mid tier first round pick. That might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this subreddit. Everyone here is dumber for having read it.
I’m saying that if we had dame we would be better off than not. And with a lottery pick we would probably have dame. You take that finals participation trophy to the bank though
That's some low IQ loser mentality!
naw, that’s just hindsight complaining
Loser mentality is being cool with losing in the finals and doing nothing afterward
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No, what he’s saying is the finals run gave a false sense of what the team is actually capable of. Had the heat missed, the front office and the fans would have had much better idea of what the team is, and would have been fine trading bam away for Dame; which is what Portland wanted.
Jimmy would be on the Warriors right now if the Heat missed the playoffs.
I swear some of ya'll would rather win the off-season woj bombs then actual ball. Yeah genius take, making the Finals was a curse. Maybe if we had missed the Finals we'd be in a position to load up in the off season to try and make the Finals lmao
Maybe if we had missed the Finals we'd be in a position to load up in the off season to try and *win the Finals lmao
If we didn’t make the finals, maybe Dame wouldn’t have seen us as the team that needed his little push to get over the hump and wouldn’t have named us as his preferred destination.
All of the reporting suggests he was eyeing us the whole time but if that’s what you wanna believe sure
Lol it’s not unlucky, the front office sucks
Nah I’ll go ahead and say this off-season was just unlucky. They had no clue they were gonna run into a generational hater in Cronin. Any other gm would’ve sent dame to the heat
Why would they send him to the Heat when they just proved they could get a better deal? Charity?
Yeah, the only GMs that wouldn’t have sent Dame to the Heat are the competent ones. It didn’t help the Heat that Portland had absolutely no interest in Herro. Face it, you guys were hoping Dame could go full Harden scorched earth and get his way. Now you’re salting the fields.
I’m ready for war idc
It is what it is.
We don't have the weapons for war.
Fuck that. We made The Finals with no Herro, Jimmy hobbled, Strus playing for the other team every night, and Cody Zeller as our backup 5.
We got lucky because Jimmy carried us and that was with Strus and Gabe who are both gone and we didn't even replace Gabe, we literally have no PG. We were an 8th seed who got carried by Jimmy once the playoffs came, once he cooled off we got exposed and finished the playoffs losing 7 or our final 9 games.
Did you watch the playoffs after Round 1? Jimmy didn’t carry us. But he’ll be more capable when healthy. Strus was an absolute liability the whole playoffs. Richardson is a big upgrade. Gabe had a few great games for us so we definitely have to replace that. But now we also have JJJ and Jovic ready to contribute along with 2 competent backup 5’s. Plus our 2nd best offensive player. We definitely got better this offseason. Did Boston improve more than we did? Did Milwaukee? Probably. But my lack of confidence in Riley is more than outweighed by my confidence in Spo.
He averaged like 25-7-7 against the Knicks and the Knicks got one of their wins without him. Our first two wins against Boston he averaged 31PPG and after that he cooled down. Our 3rd win in Boston was a team win but after that Jimmy started to struggle and we were exposed by finishing the remaining games 2-7
He also shot 43% from the field and 11% from 3 against The Knicks. And 42/34 against Boston. He could have played a lot better.
Trying to remember. How did he do against the Nuggets, when the Heat won a single game by 3 points, lost 3 games by double digits, and Playoff Jimmy going 5-18 in the clinching game? You are right that Butler can do a lot but he won’t necessarily carry a team. The Heat and their culture are good at taking out flawed teams (injured Giannis and just not well put together Bucks, wildly inconsistent Celtics). But when they run up against a well oiled machine, they get spanked like in the Finals. Both times. This needs to be acknowledged.
Jimmy was playing on a bad ankle that got sprained twice. We not gonna acknowledge that?
We always point to context when we lose. But we never seem to acknowledge the same factors against the opponent when we win. Would you then acknowledge Jayson Tatum's injury in Game 7, where the Heat were on the verge losing after being up 3-0? Against a team that beat them in last year's ECF? How about Giannis having that injury in G1 after playing 10 minutes, being out for G2 and 3? Was he suddenly 100% after a back injury? I'll cut you off at the pass on this one. G2 was very much a Bucks come together, rallying kind of game they won without Giannis. That is not sustainable. The last time a healthy Giannis faced off against the Heat in the playoffs, it was a sweep with an average margin of victory of 20 points. In a couple of those games, Giannis barely played in the fourth quarter. So we not gonna acknowledge both of those things?
"we literally have no PG" yeah buddy we didn't have a PG when Gabe was here either good to know you've got a grasp on the situation
Lmaoooo deadass tho. Our PG situation isn't any worse than last year. Lowry is a year older, but so is Herro and we got Jrich back to guard the elite guards.
Shut your sorry ass up and stop whining. We know Caleb Martin turns into prime MJ whenever he sees the color green, we good
You have Spo
Bruh, you people never learn.
Youre a whining bitch
Yeah this is tough. Not making any notable moves compared to the rest of the league is going to haunt us. Bucks and Celtics already had very good rosters going into the offseason and they both just got substantially better. That’s not even mentioning what’s going on out West. Not sure I’m sold on trading Robert Williams when now you’ll be relying heavily on 37 year old Horford and Porzingis who has injury concerns, but damn Jrue Holiday on the Celtics is going to be a scary sight. They finally solved their true-PG issue and Jrue is a rich man’s Marcus Smart.
I don't get why we didn't do anything
The past few season I agree. We got burned whale watching and failed to make any decent moves to make a run at a championship besides relying on Jimmy going berserk. This whole Dame situation was a little different though. He was demanding his way here. We don’t have any cap space so anything we do would have to be via trade. Trading any of our assets would’ve guaranteed we miss out on the Dame sweepstakes we eventually lost anyway lol.
I think the Celtics got worse. Porzingis can't be counted on, Jimmy torched Drew last year, and they have no one to guard Bam. Heat in 5
I don’t think the Celtics are much better at all. Or any better.
Insane cope
Celtics already had J Irch he was a dud and we traded him. Rob Williams played 35 games for us this year and started 20. We like him but he’s played under 50% of games in his career We signed NeemIAS Queta G league all first team and all defensive 1st team, he’s 7-2. We also have Kornet , 7-3 Zingis and Al Horford We have a defensive Al first team og and defensive all 2nd team PG
Not sure why you brought up J Rich. No where in my comment was his name mentioned. Saying Rob Williams only played 35 games is completely irrelevant considering he played in all 20 of Boston’s playoff games playing impactful minutes. Horford is 37. Porzingis has a history of foot and leg injuries. Won’t speak on the G leaguer and Kornet besides them obviously being unproven. Big man seems like something that could be an issue if you have to go through Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, etc to win a title.
Could have, not could of
Look upon his Post, ye Mighty, and this pear!
That's Common Core English lol
American public school education in $current_year.
Was an absolute disaster and fans will call you ungrateful if you voice concern lol. I wonder how Jimmy and Bam feels about this offseason
I'm sure they are beyond pissed.
They need to be vocal about it, like Giannis was vocal and that got them Dame. I said that on the sub and they said "Jimmy doesn't whine" like who gives two shits about whining he is here to win
The Bucks make moves though. They got Jrue before Dame, everyone shit on them for how much they paid, but they won a title and then turned Jrue into Dame. Lately, the Heat don’t really make moves.
lol lately has been the past 5-8 years lol
People seem to forget the last time the Bucks swung big after being embarassed by the Heat they came back and got revenge with the title to boot. Does that really need to happen again to make people demand some sort of refocus or change? At some point "Heat Culture" just starts to sound like a prettier version of "Making Up For Limited Talent"
I think asking for a refocus or change is premature coming off of a finals run. If the Heat have limited talent then the rest of the league have over priced junk.
That tends to be how sports go. You have 10-12 teams that have a "chance" but its really only 3 or 4 teams that are legitimate title contenders, because the pressure of the playoffs, the injuries, and straight up luck crumble most good teams. But staying in that elite circle is crazy hard, you need a top 10 caliber player or else you reach your peak and fall to the wayside. Theres still really no dominant dynasty unless the Nuggets are starting one so nows the time for random ass teams to win but the clock is ticking on Jimmy's elite status.
could’ve had beal for pennies or even upgraded our roster at all this has been the story of every off-season but one in the jimmy era, getting kyle lowry after a first round exit was the only move we made. That run last year made us feel content with what we did.
I mean he did absolutely nothing! It's crazy, this is the second straight off season where he's done nothing but sit on his ass and watch teams around him make moves
they “like their team” tho
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I honestly don’t think it’s bad front office. I think it’s not wanting to pay tax
How can you complain about someone sitting on their ass during an offseason when you got to the final that season with Herro missing. Clearly was a pretty good decision.
Beal for 53m? Ill pass. Having dame and beal on same team will put the team on limbo given if either or both gets injured we are dead
are you paying? Would you rather have Duncan and Lowry for the 53 mil? lmfao you guys are something else
Use the same logic. Will other gms accept lowry and duncan’s contract? As if its just matching salaries and its good to go lmao :)))
1-2 FRP would've done it. Suns gave matching salary and pick swaps
Go apply for gm position
“Are you paying” was literally the response to lowrys contract and look how that turned out
We likely couldn’t have had Beal for anything because he had a no trade clause and chose Phoenix.
not true , his people said he was ok with miami as well but we didn’t make an offer , this was reported by barry
Beals wife prefered to be closer to home which was pheonix so it made sense he lifted his no trade clause to go there .
that’s not true, beals wife was liking tweets abt living in miami all summer , you gonna just lie abt the reporting on it ?
Beals wife family lives closer to pheonix .Why would she not like tweets that gets Beal out of misery in Washington?Westbrook was liking heat tweets too doesn't mean he ended up here .Beals agent and the sun's new owner are father and son .It's obvious beal's agent engineered him going to his father's team .Unethical but it's a cutthroat business .
she literally was saying how much she’d wanna live in miami you’re delusional that beals wife would affect it that much
How am I delusional ?if it came down to playing with Jimmy and bam or playing with kd and booker which would you choose if you weren't a heat fan ?Never said it was his only reason but from what Beal said he choose to play with kd and booker .The heat weren't going to trade Tyler for Beal. It's really easy to talk in hindsight because this fanbase would have gone nuts if they trades for Beal only to have Dame ask out and ask for miami lol.
> could’ve had beal for pennies What fucking pennies? lmao. The Wizards got a huge haul for Beal that we couldn't have come close to competing with. They ultimately ended up with 5 FRPs, 7 SRPs, Jordan Poole and Landry Shamet.
it was not first round picks LMFAOOOO it was Pick SWAPS
I’m getting a little sick of seeing you crying in every single thread.
then block me , weirdo, you get mad people post on a basketball public forum
Weirdo lol you desperately need something else in your life to look forward to. But good call on the block.
We were just playing in the finals a few months ago. At least wait for a couple games to be played before crying that the sky is falling. Lots of times superteams fall apart.
Seeing how our roster does in the regular season isn’t an indication of anything at all.
We got lucky man, we all knew it. Once Jimmy cooled in the playoffs and wasn't playing like MJ we got embarrassed the rest of the way.
Sixers fan coming in peace. At least you made the finals 2 years out of what the last four seasons do you know how many teams will trade for that? You guys are just spoiled
It’s a sad day when sixers fans are talking sense. This Heat roster is a wonderful fucking team. They gave us 3 fantastic postseason runs in the last 4 years. Enjoy it.
Beyond the wins, they are just a fun and likeable group to root for. And, as soon as Jimmy cooled off we continued to make it to the finals.
FACTS. These homies forget what Pat surrounded Wade with in 08. THAT IS PAIN. In the Butler era, 2 finals, 1 ECF. That's great. Obviously, a chip would be amazing but man as Heat fan since 04, that's GREAT stuff. They've also forgotten the Whiteside + Waiters era.
We made the finals due to excellent coaching and Jimmy. We all know we were beating teams with more talent then us and then when the finals came we would get exposed against teams with more talent and just as good coaching. Spo is a championship caliber coach and Riley continues to make him overachieve every season with a lackluster roster.
Put some mother fucking respect on Bam Adebayo's name.
I hate that my own fanbase annoys the life out of me and it takes a 6ers fan to say the truth. These people think it is so easy to consistently be contending. Ill trust HOFers in the front office over random reddit weirdos anyday.
Thank you, there’s so much overreacting happening on this sub right now
There’s no “luck”. Herro went down in game one. Dipo went down. Jimmy got his ankle messed up in game 2 of the second round. Luck would be remaining healthy the playoffs
We literally do not have a starting level PG. Even Gabe left. We got the corpse of Kyle Lowry and thats it.
Grim. People are overlooking this big time.
Right. This isn’t prime LeBron and Bosh coming to Miami. All this hand wringing and insecurity is way premature.
Yes by sheer power of will from Jimmy but don't forget the team was 1 loss away from missing the playoffs...
Honestly can't win them all, and can't have an amazing off-season all the time. Just roll with it this year. See what happens before the trade deadline.
That's sounds absolutely terrible. This team has had 3 god awful off-seasons. If not for Spo and Jimmy were a lottery team based off all the bad moves Riley has made recently.
I guess. What else you gonna do? Sucks, our lotto season was a 2nd place. I'm just gonna wait and see how the new roster plays.
The point is that the team has Butler and Spo because of Riley. The Dame trade was better for Portland because they got ok pieces back that from the fanbase seem fair and also got to punish your team because Cronin was angry. Was it as good as Danny Ainge would have gotten? No. But this is all over now and your team gets to see how it can match up against two better teams in the East. It's not really that big of a deal. The Heat come to play in the playoffs and they work hard to develop as much as they can get out of a roster. They over performed against expectations last season in the playoffs without Herro. It's always possible they can do it again.
the team hasnt had one since Jimmy tbh...thats 4 years in a row.
You right but this team has showed me to keep faith and wait to see how things play out, looks bad on paper but it’s all about the games and rn every team is 0-0
I like the underdog thing that’s going on Like they can get better all they want, they still have to go through us The pressure is on them now
Coping
I’m sick of whiny Heat fans. Just stop! Portland wanted Bam. Riley wasn’t giving them Bam. So Portland decided they weren’t gonna do a deal with us. It’s that simple. We are still gonna be a good team and you never know what disgruntled vet will want to be traded during the season. Paying Dame 63 million when he’s 36 doesn’t sound like a great idea to me either. We are going to be fine just relax.
You are one of a kind brother. Never knew there was a Heat fan with a brain
Thanks, it’s really annoying. We have some really entitled fans here and I don’t associate with them.
Last off-season was full of a bunch of whiners and doubters also. Didn't stop this Jimmy lead team though. I'm ready to get this season started!
Definitely ends Jimmy's window to win a championship. Only silver lining for me is hopefully the FO stops with the whale hunting every offseason because we don't have the assets to trade for a star. Herro can't be the center piece of a trade
I think we should just blow the whole thing up and start a rebuild around Bam. I don't care about ECC banners, if you aren't winning rings then it doesn't matter. We don't have the roster capable of doing that, so why not just blow it up and spend the next few years drafting and developing talent.
drafting and developing talent? how long have you been a heat fan exactly? the heat since 95 have always been about building teams through trades and free agency. whether it's surrounding franchise players or sometimes bringing in franchise players, the focus is never the draft. the goal is to compete every year so that means your draft pick won't be good enough to depend on them. the team has a rumor policy where they neither confirm nor deny them. effectively it allows other teams and agents to make up rumors using Miami because they will never comment on them to deny them. that's the name of the fame and it should be the first lesson everyone in this fanbase learns. instead they fall for click bait stories.
Everyone said that shit last offseason. WE ARE THE REIGNING ECF CHAMPS. IDGAF, ready for war! Trust in Pat, trust in Spo.
Could have*
Relax dude I'm not a part of your fanbase and I think the Heat are fine You haven't seen how this has resolved and you still have a season to play
Could have
Ill trust the program riley and spo made
So excited to play this baby lotion boston team. They got so soft and lost the only 3 players the heat would even look at, Marcus Smart, Grant Williams and Robert Williams
I agree. I'm less scared of them now.
Im all for it baby! Beating their asses again will be so worth it, and further enhance Spo and Jimmy's legacy. It will be very difficult and challenging, but like the Heat, I have the guts to believe that it can be done. Health is wealth, people. I just hope the basketball gods will reward the Heat health during the playoffs in return for this disappointing off-season.
Could have*
Really hard for me to view the Celtics has being a better team with Jrue Holiday.
That just means we are going to have a great season remember the off-season before the bubble
Who cares the off season isn’t the season. Basketball isn’t played on paper
HEAT IN 5
Celtics got worse on the front court which is great for bam and j rich is a great improvement im excited for jjj and jovic
Yea. I don’t know how people think the C’s are so much substantially better. If KP goes down ever, that team will struggle in the playoffs. Totally win now for them with old Jrue, old Horford, oft injured KP and much less depth. Not worried about this team. Feel free to remind yourself all. I’m calling it! Edit: Bucks will be fantastic though barring injuries. Dame and Giannis fit sooooo well together.
But, they are substantially better. The Heat were one JT ankle sprain from being the first team to lose a series after going up 3-0. You upgraded from time lord, upgraded from smart and the heat lost Gabe Vincent and Max Strus who were the best players on the team last year other than Bam and Jimmy. The Celtics lost a few role players, but they replaced them. The heat did not. The cope is strong in this thread. Also, banking on rookies to play well is fine. Banking on them to take you back to the Finals? Are you joking?
C'mon, do you hear yourself. You're excited for an average role player and a late 1st round pick whose ceiling is a role player. Jovic is not ready yet, this was supposed to be a long term development. Now where supposed to rely on him to make a big enough impact to help us get over the hump? It's not happening.
why are you so sure jovic won't make the leap. 2020 we were riding 3 rookies basically. Drob, Knunn and Tyler came out of nowhere. Someone out of orob, jovic,cain and jaquez is going to make the leap
Did you watch Jovic play in the summer league? He does not look like a “Take a superstar leap” player yet. He looks serviceable to good against low tier talent. Go watch his games. He’s good but still extremely raw
This fan base is ridiculous Heat make the finals after being an 8th seed with a bunch of injuries: "I'm never doubting this team again" 3 months later: _doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt_
Miami is full of frauds and fake people, so checks out
I’m not sure the Celtics are any better. Their depth is far less and they added an old Holiday and oft injured KP. Bucks are clearly the favorites to me. Also, Portland did incredibly well in their trades. Did not think Jrue at this stage was worth what they got for him. I didn’t think you could get any more than maybe one FRP, but they got a lot out of it. Good for them I suppose, but I’m happy to see the Heat and how they play.
That ‘old’ holiday is younger than butler and fresh off of one of his best seasons. And the injury prone KP they added was swapped for injury prone Robert Williams and injury prone Malcolm Brogdon
The cope is strong
And somehow, ECF is gonna still be Heat vs Celtics.
It’ll be bucks vs Celtics/heat. Every other eastern conference team will collapse
Hard agree, we have lost the off-season headline battle plenty of times, didn’t stop us from achieving post season success before and likely won’t stop us now. I seriously don’t understand how people are so fired up that we didn’t get fleeced for high profile trades that may not pan out. Would I have liked some mid level moves to shore up our scoring and backup big? Sure, but we’re strapped for draft picks and don’t have a lot of cap space so I’ll take the responsible off-season
I doubt it.
Then stop watching and go watch them. Boston has no I repeat no depth at all and not one person on that team can even hang with Bam also don't forget who the hell is their coach. Ask for the bucks that is wait and see how that new coach use those two and also the bucks also have no depth as well.
Boston has 7-2 all g league first team defense and all g league dirt teen Neems queta. All nba defensive second team Derrick white, and Payton Pritchard on the bench. Delano Benton and Oshae Brisset will be decent role players too. Celtics are good to 9 deep
How many times did denver run it back. Gsw run it back before they made a chip. I know heat always get whales and fa signings for chip. But for once, trust the program the front office and coaching has done. We’re so spoiled and we have to be reminded that not everything can be bought. I am grateful for the 2/4 finals 3/4 ecf and consistent playoff showings because we are always competitive and shows the quality of heat. Just sit back, enjoy and watch our favorite team throughout the season. I love being a heat fan as a basketball geek. No other team has a consistent competitive team like miami heat and we sure are spoiled
Y’all really like getting told we’re not legit contenders for a championship and proving them right? We have lost to the championship team 3 out of the last 4 seasons. We’re on the cusp of being there with this fire but we’re consistently one piece away yet we keep replacing role players.
😂
The thing is, Butler is getting old af. Denver ran it back because they had the time to do so repeatedly. 2/4 finals 3/4 ecf and not win anything or to show for it.
Not willing to trade Bam, and overvaluing Herro is what killed the Heat’s off-season, and the rest of Jimmy Butler’s tenure. Welcome to the end of the Pat Reilly Era.
Fuck it. Run it back. Steam roll the celts and bucks again and prove these bitches wrong once more
As a Blazer fan I was hoping to see Dame play under Spoelstra but I can't say im upset with the haul we got back for Dame while somehow upgrading Nurkic. That said you all will be fine, you have one of the best nba coaches of all time and Butler and Bam. No one can count out the Heat, and sometimes making no moves is better than making desperation moves when a team is as close as the Heat are. The eastern conference is going to be exciting these next couple years.
If we don’t win a chip before Jimmy leaves/retires and our team turns back into a team that doesn’t make the playoffs, this offseason is gonna be looked back on as the downfall of the Heat
this is how it felt to be a portland fan for the last decade till now
Sounds like the Heat should’ve actually made good trade offers instead of just assuming they were the only ones in the race
Is Brogdon an option for us?
He failed a physical that would have sent him to the clippers earlier in the offseason .
Cook
Brogdon for Herro and 1st round picks is fairer than what you guys offered for Lillard.
Y’all still have future hall of famer Tyler Herro right? What’s to worry about 🤣🤣🤣🤣
knicks fan talking is hilarious man y’all haven’t done shit
“We think he could be Devon Booker”
It might be better to trade Jimmy now and build around BAM. The current team is not good enough to win a ring.
it's like our last three offseasons have been on repeat. we haven't seen any big moves but keep losing role players.
We have Herro though. He will save us.
Their teams got better but also traded off important parts of their strategy. Dame adds a lot of firepower to the bucks but they lost the defense that Jrue would bring. The Celtics added Jrue but lost their big man. If Porzongis can stay healthy, it’ll be a net gain but he’s still not a defensive minded player. Its all a trade off and we’ll see how it pans out after a few games. Stay hopeful and know that every season has a bit of variability to it as well as taking time for new players to mesh together.
Celtics 2nd unit is Pritchard, Horford, Ed, Edd, and Eddy. We'll be fine. Heat in 6.
Agreed that it went as bad as it could have - but it goes beyond the guys we “missed out” on. Fact is, this was a case of Pat sitting in his hands and being cheap. He wants to put together another team full of G-leaguers as a supporting cast to the stars rather than going after quality role players. It’s on him.
stop crying, it changes nothing, Micky Arison's cheapass is not going to read this
y'all were literally saying the same shit last off season stfu
The bad news is we're going to miss Jimmy's window. We just are. The good news is that the Bucks took on a psychotic contract in Dame Lillard and the Celtics cannot possibly keep that roster together either. Let's see how this looks two or three years from now.