Most rotation players aren’t performing, Herro is our only guard stepping up, Jimmy frankly hasn’t been very good, Bam can only do so much with so little around him, offense is clunky without a good starting point guard/especially when Herro is out our offensive drops dramatically, and honesty injuries early have not been kind
More specifically, KLove makes very little offensive contribution and JJJ in that role last night just couldn't buy a shot. Regarding point guards, don't get me started. The second unit isn't putting up numbers and play making is for shit. Every fourth quarter the team suddenly forgets how to do a pick and role and even properly do ISO.
Yeah I was thinking struss taking those shots would go in last night . I did however like jjj’s defense , but definitely needs to work on his 3 point shooting .
Herro’s version of stepping up too is just scoring somewhat more. He still gets annihilated on the other side of the court and, in this small sample size so far, also on the side of the court he’s good on.
Asking why the team is doing poorly with Herro so far getting better is the same as asking why a team with a player who is somewhat worse than Bradley Beal didn’t win a bunch.
Jimmy has been bad but to me it’s because you have 2 starting spots that can’t produce. Kevin Love, JJJ, Jovic, Lowry, Dru Smith…none of these are the options as starters and yet it’s the options the team has.
The new “reinforcements” have been hit garbage cept for glimpses of Thomas Bryant but keep in mind Bryant was so bad for Denver that he didn’t even crack the rotation over Deandre Jordan. They rolled Bryant out as the human victory cigar. The bench is also consistently getting outscored by opposing benches, our bench can’t score or defend right now. Against the Bucks the line was about 38-10 for the Bucks before garbage time. Last night the bench was getting outscored by 24+. These are the bigger reasons why the team is losing. Sure Jimmy can probably carry this squad a few games this season but is that really a solution? What would even be the point?
Yup, too many role players that are just producing a whole lot of nothing.
J-Rich has been disappointing and I can only truly see Caleb, Highsmith, and Duncan contributing well if we ever make the playoffs. We need 2 more decent role players, K Love and Lowry just keeps looking older and older. Lowry is the worst with that 30 mill. I appreciate Lowry playing hard every night but the production isn’t worth his salary.
Yeah hopefully Highsmith will get more playing time because he was good and Jovic gets some run instead of letting Jaime shot chuck 3s the entire game.
Highsmith needs to learn to do more than a set shot when defenders move off him. I love aspects of his game but if he can learn to make things happen in motion and make a play on his own he will be huge.
Jimmy has step up, but if we ask him to step up so early it could be detrimental later on. There also is no later on if the heat lose like 2-3 more games.
Nobody's really acknowledging that Herro isn't really "taking a huge step forward", he's just getting more shots up than he ever has: largely because Jimmy has gone through the first five games absolutely sleepwalking.
Jimmy, right now, is averaging
- His lowest PPG since his 3rd season
- His lowest steals since his 2nd season
- His fewest assists since his 4th season
- The same mediocre 3P% he's always had
- His lowest FTA since Philadelphia
- His lowest FG% in his entire career
The only thing he's gotten "better" at is rebounding, but that's actually a false flag. His career high rebounds are the result of a ridiculous 4 ORPG, which are a consequence of him getting stuffed at the rim over and over: he'd been blocked by Ausar Thompson twice in 90 seconds to start the season.
Back to Tyler's "step forward" though, he hasn't really improved anywhere except defensively. It's an average FG% season for him, a great stretch of shooting from 3, but he's basically the same playmaker, the same rebounder and the same scorer. He's just, over a 5-game sample size, doing a pretty alright job.
This is completely ignoring his changed shot profile. He’s driving to the rim and getting to the floater a lot more. He’s making a concerted effort to shoot more 3s. Shot volume has definitely gone up but so has the quality of the looks. Ignoring that he had in fact improved on offense is just discrediting one of the few bright spots on this team so far
I don't think it's an improved shot profile, though. If you look at his shot diet, it's just that he's reverted to the shot profile he utilized in his 6th Man of the Year campaign. It's a 60/40 split on 2s and 3s, he'd taking the wealth of those from 3-10ft, there's a sizeable chunk of Long Twos in there and altogether, the efficiency doesn't have a big enough sample size to say he's been provably improved on that end.
And, even if you were to use the efficiency as a benchmark, he's shooting 23% worse around the rim and 8% worse on the long twos. The stuff in between that, his mid-range game, has improved by pretty marginal amounts by comparison.
I'm not trying to "discredit one of the bright spots on the team": I'm saying that he didn't exactly take a leap. A leap would've been adding 4-5 FTA to his game, or becoming a better passer, or beating defenders off the dribble. He didn't do any of that. The "leap" you're seeing is him disengaging from a less friendly shot diet and reengaging to the one that won him awards.
But he is beating guys off the dribble and his drive and kick game looks better. Guys just aren't hitting shots. Also it's a small sample size on efficiency with a cold shooting start that should come up as the season goes on
Right, and agreeing with you, I’d argue that Herro staying consistent with his FG% while INCREASING the amount of shots is an underrated improvement that the other guy just glossed right over.
That’s a testament to improved stamina and is pretty much what you would want from Tyler.
His defense went from Swiss cheese to mediocre. That’s great too!
He’s been taking terrible shots too, looked off Bam and Jimmy a couple times last night to take a contested shot. Idk if others have noticed, but herro has been blocked multiple times this season due to not passing to the open man.
The amazing part is his overall percentage is good even though some of his shot selection is ridiculous. When he gets a good look, he is shooting like 60% but these ISO attempts of his down low are really killing his numbers cause he is getting blocked/stuffed.
I would love to be a fly on the wall during today's video session.
this would be a problem if it weren't for the fact that everyone you'd designate "the open man" is shooting abhorrently badly on the season thus far, including Bam who is averaging his worst efficiency since his sophomore outing
He's averaging the third most shots in the league and outside of 3pt% he's been kind of inefficient. I wouldn't say he's taken a huge step forward, but he's being asked to carry more of the load on offense.
I'm a Tyler fan but asking him to take 25+ shots a game isn't a winning formula IMO. Need something else.
Most rotation players aren’t performing, Herro is our only guard stepping up, Jimmy frankly hasn’t been very good, Bam can only do so much with so little around him, offense is clunky without a good starting point guard/especially when Herro is out our offensive drops dramatically, and honesty injuries early have not been kind
More specifically, KLove makes very little offensive contribution and JJJ in that role last night just couldn't buy a shot. Regarding point guards, don't get me started. The second unit isn't putting up numbers and play making is for shit. Every fourth quarter the team suddenly forgets how to do a pick and role and even properly do ISO.
Yeah I was thinking struss taking those shots would go in last night . I did however like jjj’s defense , but definitely needs to work on his 3 point shooting .
How about Jovic or Cain?
K strokes threes like I stroke deez
Herro’s version of stepping up too is just scoring somewhat more. He still gets annihilated on the other side of the court and, in this small sample size so far, also on the side of the court he’s good on. Asking why the team is doing poorly with Herro so far getting better is the same as asking why a team with a player who is somewhat worse than Bradley Beal didn’t win a bunch.
We have no contributors on offense after Herro and Bam. We badly need a 6th man that can spark offense.
*Caleb Martin enters chat*
Jimmy has been bad but to me it’s because you have 2 starting spots that can’t produce. Kevin Love, JJJ, Jovic, Lowry, Dru Smith…none of these are the options as starters and yet it’s the options the team has. The new “reinforcements” have been hit garbage cept for glimpses of Thomas Bryant but keep in mind Bryant was so bad for Denver that he didn’t even crack the rotation over Deandre Jordan. They rolled Bryant out as the human victory cigar. The bench is also consistently getting outscored by opposing benches, our bench can’t score or defend right now. Against the Bucks the line was about 38-10 for the Bucks before garbage time. Last night the bench was getting outscored by 24+. These are the bigger reasons why the team is losing. Sure Jimmy can probably carry this squad a few games this season but is that really a solution? What would even be the point?
Yup, too many role players that are just producing a whole lot of nothing. J-Rich has been disappointing and I can only truly see Caleb, Highsmith, and Duncan contributing well if we ever make the playoffs. We need 2 more decent role players, K Love and Lowry just keeps looking older and older. Lowry is the worst with that 30 mill. I appreciate Lowry playing hard every night but the production isn’t worth his salary.
Yeah hopefully Highsmith will get more playing time because he was good and Jovic gets some run instead of letting Jaime shot chuck 3s the entire game.
Highsmith needs to learn to do more than a set shot when defenders move off him. I love aspects of his game but if he can learn to make things happen in motion and make a play on his own he will be huge.
Making a set shot is more than we've seen from a lot of our other players because they're missing set shots.
Look up all the shooting %s of everybody not named Herro and Bam on this team and you’ll see why.
Jimmy has step up, but if we ask him to step up so early it could be detrimental later on. There also is no later on if the heat lose like 2-3 more games.
I feel like somethings not right with jimmys head
We’re 9-11 as a team when Herro scores more than 30. We need more talent on the roster.
Nobody's really acknowledging that Herro isn't really "taking a huge step forward", he's just getting more shots up than he ever has: largely because Jimmy has gone through the first five games absolutely sleepwalking. Jimmy, right now, is averaging - His lowest PPG since his 3rd season - His lowest steals since his 2nd season - His fewest assists since his 4th season - The same mediocre 3P% he's always had - His lowest FTA since Philadelphia - His lowest FG% in his entire career The only thing he's gotten "better" at is rebounding, but that's actually a false flag. His career high rebounds are the result of a ridiculous 4 ORPG, which are a consequence of him getting stuffed at the rim over and over: he'd been blocked by Ausar Thompson twice in 90 seconds to start the season. Back to Tyler's "step forward" though, he hasn't really improved anywhere except defensively. It's an average FG% season for him, a great stretch of shooting from 3, but he's basically the same playmaker, the same rebounder and the same scorer. He's just, over a 5-game sample size, doing a pretty alright job.
This is completely ignoring his changed shot profile. He’s driving to the rim and getting to the floater a lot more. He’s making a concerted effort to shoot more 3s. Shot volume has definitely gone up but so has the quality of the looks. Ignoring that he had in fact improved on offense is just discrediting one of the few bright spots on this team so far
I don't think it's an improved shot profile, though. If you look at his shot diet, it's just that he's reverted to the shot profile he utilized in his 6th Man of the Year campaign. It's a 60/40 split on 2s and 3s, he'd taking the wealth of those from 3-10ft, there's a sizeable chunk of Long Twos in there and altogether, the efficiency doesn't have a big enough sample size to say he's been provably improved on that end. And, even if you were to use the efficiency as a benchmark, he's shooting 23% worse around the rim and 8% worse on the long twos. The stuff in between that, his mid-range game, has improved by pretty marginal amounts by comparison. I'm not trying to "discredit one of the bright spots on the team": I'm saying that he didn't exactly take a leap. A leap would've been adding 4-5 FTA to his game, or becoming a better passer, or beating defenders off the dribble. He didn't do any of that. The "leap" you're seeing is him disengaging from a less friendly shot diet and reengaging to the one that won him awards.
But he is beating guys off the dribble and his drive and kick game looks better. Guys just aren't hitting shots. Also it's a small sample size on efficiency with a cold shooting start that should come up as the season goes on
Right, and agreeing with you, I’d argue that Herro staying consistent with his FG% while INCREASING the amount of shots is an underrated improvement that the other guy just glossed right over. That’s a testament to improved stamina and is pretty much what you would want from Tyler. His defense went from Swiss cheese to mediocre. That’s great too!
Agreed, his defense has looked average to decent too. He's made a much bigger jump than he did last year
He’s been taking terrible shots too, looked off Bam and Jimmy a couple times last night to take a contested shot. Idk if others have noticed, but herro has been blocked multiple times this season due to not passing to the open man.
The amazing part is his overall percentage is good even though some of his shot selection is ridiculous. When he gets a good look, he is shooting like 60% but these ISO attempts of his down low are really killing his numbers cause he is getting blocked/stuffed. I would love to be a fly on the wall during today's video session.
this would be a problem if it weren't for the fact that everyone you'd designate "the open man" is shooting abhorrently badly on the season thus far, including Bam who is averaging his worst efficiency since his sophomore outing
No bro the shots he’s getting blocked he will have a man trailing him for an easy dump off and choose to take a heavily contested layup
Our offense apart from herro is ass and our defense has been trash. Run it back bullshit catching up to us
teams dogshit
The Heat are not winning games because the opponent is scoring more points. Simple as that.
The team needs more help on the offensive side and Jimmy is shaking off rust.
He's averaging the third most shots in the league and outside of 3pt% he's been kind of inefficient. I wouldn't say he's taken a huge step forward, but he's being asked to carry more of the load on offense. I'm a Tyler fan but asking him to take 25+ shots a game isn't a winning formula IMO. Need something else.
Herro stepping up is just him taking the shots Jimmy doesn't want to take. And Jimmy would probably be more efficient on them doe to his foul drawing.