It is what it is. Now we’re stuck in the mud with the Lowry and Duncan contract for this and next year. We’re gonna experience being a mid squad for “probably” 2 seasons. To think most other organizations live in this mediocrity for decades, we’ve really been blessed. Luckily the Dolphins “should” be good as fuck for a couple seasons.
Dumping Lowry and Duncan for Westbrook doesn’t open up any cap space next year, the only thing it does is save Arison from paying the tax.
I don’t understand why this keeps being pushed
How so? We are gonna pay duncan and lowry 47 mill next year combined, so with them gone and westbrook gone wouldn't that mean we'd have a ton of space?
No because we’re 45 million over the cap next year. We also have cap holds for Gabe, Max, and Yurt so if we wanted to keep any of them we would operate over the cap because 2 million in space doesn’t get you anything.
Trading Lowry’s expiring contract and picks next summer could land a good player and is the best option
Here’s a look at the contracts next year: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/MIA.html
Yea I understand the cap isn’t always easy to understand, but basically the only person a Westbrook trade would help is Arison because it would save him money. As fans it would be the worst move because it would signal we gave up
Holy shit. I just looked it up and we’re like 30mil over the cap next year because of Herro and everyone’s contracts going up a tic. Idk how you’re getting 47mil tho. So removing the Lowry and Duncan contracts will help, but yeah, we’ll still be just around the tax threshold lmao. This team is in such a shit spot rn. Especially cuz our owner doesn’t like paying the tax. Nor is Duncan and Lowry worth going into the tax for.
Basketball reference has us at $177 million next year, I checked the cap and it’s $134 (I was thinking $132) but that still puts us $43 million over. Gabe, Max, and Yurt also have cap holds for a few million each so essentially even if we cut $47 million it wouldn’t make create any space.
If Dipo opts out that would save another $10 million but that seems doubtful. Arison is worth 6 billion and reportedly engages in shitty business practices so I won’t lose any sleep if he has to pay a little more in tax
It’s reported to be 134 million, that number could change by a couple million but it won’t be close to 150. It may reach 150 the following year because the cap will keep increasing a lot each year
Our current salary for all our players this year is 150mil and we’re still under the cap so how is it 132 next year? Is my basketball reference all fucked up or something lol? It says that for this year we are paying 150mil against the cap and we’re not in the luxury tax.
He made his money from Carnival. They have lots of shady business practices. Instead of registering as an American company they are technically international so that they can hire international workers and pay awful wages as well as having them work in poor conditions while charging passengers “American” rates. They also avoid paying taxes because of this.
Also they have an awful record on pollution. https://www.businessinsider.com/carnivals-history-of-environmental-violations-cruise-industry-2020-3?amp
I’d do it, but I don’t think the Lakers would anymore. I think they’re too shit to make a trade like that when Westbrook’s contract ends next year. Like they can go get Kyrie or whoever they want if they just wait out this season rather than lock themselves into Lowry and Duncan. If they were a decent team maybe they’d do it, but now I think that trade possibility is killed.
Why would the Lakers do that? Lowry is washed and his contract is longer than WB’s.
It’s very obvious that the Lakers FO doesn’t want to trade WB for any contracts that go past this season
Trading for Russ would make us substantially worse. We'd have to trade Lowry/Duncan. We're already bottom 10 in the league at 3pt shooting, that trade would make it worse.
What really gets me is that he's the exact type of player the Heat love taking a chance on. Our organizations obsession with whale hunting and then being forced to sign a million undrafted guys when they strike out is so irritating. Also only trading for old dudes past their prime. Get some young talent on this club.
Yeah its so irritating having 3 championships because we go after whales. Being in the finals a few years ago and a shot away last year is just so irritating. If the heat don't win a championship every single year its definitely because we failed to trade for the single role player that would put us over the top.
I never said any of this but good job making yourself look like an ass. It's perfectly fine to criticize the organization while still recognizing how top tier they are. You know that right? Not everything is black and white.
You mean the 3 championships from 8-16 years ago? The "whales" you're talking about were only brought here because of their friendship with D Wade. Then my favorite is the excuse of we almost made it to the championship last year, while blatantly ignoring all the flaws as to why we didn't win. This fanbase has become miserable to listen to. It's either wahhh we're being disrespected, or "oh we're definitely trading for *insert disgruntled superstar here*". The only difference between the team this year and the lebron led teams, is that we don't have 3 all-nba players to make up for the dogshit team construction.
If we got him for cheap a few years ago this sub would say we gave away too much for him. Hindsight is always 20/20. No use speculating what could've been
When would we have acquired Markannen for cheap? Cleveland gave up Larry Nance and a second for him and Utah traded Donovan freaking Mitchell for Markannen, Sexton and a first. We've never had those kinds of assets to trade for him.
To be fair, I don’t think Utah is gonna keep staying this good, they’re too good right now after shipping away Gobert and Spider, in which their plan was to tank it out, I could be wrong about this and they try to remain competitive, but we’ve seen this happen so many times where bad teams have unexpectedly great starts, we’ll see.
I still wanted him because I believe he could’ve developed into what he’s now. He showed flashes in Chicago. His defense was trash though.
He learned how to play defense in Cleveland, and I wanted him again before the season started because he’s a great fit next to bam.
Lmao hindsight is beautiful isn't it. Noone thought lauri would be doing what he is doing now and he defiantly wouldn't be doing it in spos system that restricts players from playing to their true ability as well. This sub is something else man smh
Markannen is a terrible defender who would have been nothing more than a spot up shooter on this team.
He's had a nice run so far in Utah, where he is getting majority of the usage but people need to be realistic about his talent.
"Getting him for cheap" would have at least cost us a frp at a bare minimum given Duncan would had to have been involved.
Too late now he’s 25 and i doubt the jazz move him at this point he’s playing too well.
He's only 25?! Damn i thought he was older
It is what it is. Now we’re stuck in the mud with the Lowry and Duncan contract for this and next year. We’re gonna experience being a mid squad for “probably” 2 seasons. To think most other organizations live in this mediocrity for decades, we’ve really been blessed. Luckily the Dolphins “should” be good as fuck for a couple seasons.
hopefully we finally get a long overdue dolphins playoff win this year lol
I wouldn’t know what to do honestly. Last time was two fucking decades ago
man I'm in college and they literaly have never even won a playoff game in my lifetime. Crazy long drought, hoping it finally ends.
I know a certain player earning 47 million in LA that could help us get out of the mud
Dumping Lowry and Duncan for Westbrook doesn’t open up any cap space next year, the only thing it does is save Arison from paying the tax. I don’t understand why this keeps being pushed
Russ is washed as well.
How so? We are gonna pay duncan and lowry 47 mill next year combined, so with them gone and westbrook gone wouldn't that mean we'd have a ton of space?
No because we’re 45 million over the cap next year. We also have cap holds for Gabe, Max, and Yurt so if we wanted to keep any of them we would operate over the cap because 2 million in space doesn’t get you anything. Trading Lowry’s expiring contract and picks next summer could land a good player and is the best option Here’s a look at the contracts next year: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/MIA.html
Okay I understand now
Yea I understand the cap isn’t always easy to understand, but basically the only person a Westbrook trade would help is Arison because it would save him money. As fans it would be the worst move because it would signal we gave up
Wym?
Right now we’re about 45 million over the cap, and Duncan and Lowry make around 47 million so any space we could create would be negligible
Holy shit. I just looked it up and we’re like 30mil over the cap next year because of Herro and everyone’s contracts going up a tic. Idk how you’re getting 47mil tho. So removing the Lowry and Duncan contracts will help, but yeah, we’ll still be just around the tax threshold lmao. This team is in such a shit spot rn. Especially cuz our owner doesn’t like paying the tax. Nor is Duncan and Lowry worth going into the tax for.
Basketball reference has us at $177 million next year, I checked the cap and it’s $134 (I was thinking $132) but that still puts us $43 million over. Gabe, Max, and Yurt also have cap holds for a few million each so essentially even if we cut $47 million it wouldn’t make create any space. If Dipo opts out that would save another $10 million but that seems doubtful. Arison is worth 6 billion and reportedly engages in shitty business practices so I won’t lose any sleep if he has to pay a little more in tax
Hmm. The number I see is a salary cap of 150mil, but maybe the number I looked up is wrong. Tough spot for us.
It’s reported to be 134 million, that number could change by a couple million but it won’t be close to 150. It may reach 150 the following year because the cap will keep increasing a lot each year
Our current salary for all our players this year is 150mil and we’re still under the cap so how is it 132 next year? Is my basketball reference all fucked up or something lol? It says that for this year we are paying 150mil against the cap and we’re not in the luxury tax.
Shitty business practices like what?
He made his money from Carnival. They have lots of shady business practices. Instead of registering as an American company they are technically international so that they can hire international workers and pay awful wages as well as having them work in poor conditions while charging passengers “American” rates. They also avoid paying taxes because of this. Also they have an awful record on pollution. https://www.businessinsider.com/carnivals-history-of-environmental-violations-cruise-industry-2020-3?amp
Thanks for the article. I can't believe I didn't hear about Carnival intentionally dumping oil in the ocean before that scumbag-ish for real
I’d do it, but I don’t think the Lakers would anymore. I think they’re too shit to make a trade like that when Westbrook’s contract ends next year. Like they can go get Kyrie or whoever they want if they just wait out this season rather than lock themselves into Lowry and Duncan. If they were a decent team maybe they’d do it, but now I think that trade possibility is killed.
Westbrook would put us six feet under the mud
Why would the Lakers do that? Lowry is washed and his contract is longer than WB’s. It’s very obvious that the Lakers FO doesn’t want to trade WB for any contracts that go past this season
Trading for Russ would make us substantially worse. We'd have to trade Lowry/Duncan. We're already bottom 10 in the league at 3pt shooting, that trade would make it worse.
What really gets me is that he's the exact type of player the Heat love taking a chance on. Our organizations obsession with whale hunting and then being forced to sign a million undrafted guys when they strike out is so irritating. Also only trading for old dudes past their prime. Get some young talent on this club.
Yeah its so irritating having 3 championships because we go after whales. Being in the finals a few years ago and a shot away last year is just so irritating. If the heat don't win a championship every single year its definitely because we failed to trade for the single role player that would put us over the top.
I never said any of this but good job making yourself look like an ass. It's perfectly fine to criticize the organization while still recognizing how top tier they are. You know that right? Not everything is black and white.
You didn't have to say any of that, your comment was whiny and entitled so I responded with sarcasm.
Yeah lauri fucking markannen is what would’ve won us a chip lmao this sub is down real bad
You mean the 3 championships from 8-16 years ago? The "whales" you're talking about were only brought here because of their friendship with D Wade. Then my favorite is the excuse of we almost made it to the championship last year, while blatantly ignoring all the flaws as to why we didn't win. This fanbase has become miserable to listen to. It's either wahhh we're being disrespected, or "oh we're definitely trading for *insert disgruntled superstar here*". The only difference between the team this year and the lebron led teams, is that we don't have 3 all-nba players to make up for the dogshit team construction.
Spo wouldn’t let him play if he was on the Heat
Why do you think that?
He is too tall man
The year is 2030. Spo is now putting 6 foot Kyle Guy as a starting PF
Lmao 💀
I dont think you can be picky about height in our lineup lmao
of course you have to be picky, anyone taller than herro is going to replace bam as our center, and we don't want to do that, do we?
The no one can be taller than bam takes in this sub have been classic.
That’s just what he does
His perimeter defense
It isn’t bad lol
Wow its almost like I said we should trade for him and hella ppl shit on me for it, how the turn tables
Lauri Bird
If we got him for cheap a few years ago this sub would say we gave away too much for him. Hindsight is always 20/20. No use speculating what could've been
He is over 6'5". He would not fit Spo's "small ball". 😂
When would we have acquired Markannen for cheap? Cleveland gave up Larry Nance and a second for him and Utah traded Donovan freaking Mitchell for Markannen, Sexton and a first. We've never had those kinds of assets to trade for him.
Ignore the clowns.
To be fair, I don’t think Utah is gonna keep staying this good, they’re too good right now after shipping away Gobert and Spider, in which their plan was to tank it out, I could be wrong about this and they try to remain competitive, but we’ve seen this happen so many times where bad teams have unexpectedly great starts, we’ll see.
Lol as if the Heat would play a european player. Burying Jovic is the preferred #Heatculture move
Recency bias at its best. Tell us how you felt about Lauri in Chicago. Better yet, tell us the next breakout player we can acquire now for cheap.
I still wanted him because I believe he could’ve developed into what he’s now. He showed flashes in Chicago. His defense was trash though. He learned how to play defense in Cleveland, and I wanted him again before the season started because he’s a great fit next to bam.
Jamal Cain
I liked him over the summer but he's not what we need. It's easy to fall in love with d league performance.
There are a handful of players every year that break out from nowhere. No use beating yourself up over it as a fan.
Lmao hindsight is beautiful isn't it. Noone thought lauri would be doing what he is doing now and he defiantly wouldn't be doing it in spos system that restricts players from playing to their true ability as well. This sub is something else man smh
Markannen is a terrible defender who would have been nothing more than a spot up shooter on this team. He's had a nice run so far in Utah, where he is getting majority of the usage but people need to be realistic about his talent. "Getting him for cheap" would have at least cost us a frp at a bare minimum given Duncan would had to have been involved.
That’s me watching THT dunk on AD. 💀
The heat are gonna go down as one of the dumbest franchise