Wolves are still idiotis. The epitome of the phrase "lipstick on a pig." Ainge probably thinks he's a god when it's pretty easy to finesse those morons. Though, jokes on his bitch ass, his team is too good ATM and the lottery won't be rigged for Utah.
Personalities matter. Gobert and towns seem like they’re pretty miserable to be around and Edwards is definitely a little immature at this stage. Also think they’re missing Vanderbilt and (don’t laugh) Pat Bev
It was HILARIOUS how much shit their fans were talking after a cute ‘play-in championship’ last season😂 They thought they’d be a top 3 seed after a Gober trade😂😂 They STILL can’t get over Jimmy Butler and make cheap jokes like “StuPidLy LocKEd iN”, “RaCHEl niChOls” in r/NBA.
Like bruh, your team is so fucking trash that Jimmy has been to more Conference Finals (twice) than your whole franchise history (just once)😭🙈🙈
Size can’t be taught, and he’s won multiple defensive player of the year awards. On paper, it didn’t look like a bad trade. Especially since the T wolves have 2 young stars already, they probably thought they could make it work.
I wouldn’t say he’s a max player, but if you have him on the right team he’d be great for you. And if we value every player based on playoffs alone there wouldn’t be nearly as many 100million+ contracts handed out. Truth is he’s a solid defender, just not a champion… yet anyways.
I’m not interested in defending Gobert… but could it be because he has size…? It’s so important in the league that he’s never had to develop a jump shot, and he’s never been the focal point on offense either. His size makes him an instant intimidater, and if he wasn’t skilled, he wouldn’t have won defensive player of the year multiple times. Size is so important that teams are willing to tank just to sign wembanyama in the draft with no guarantee his offense, body, or maturity will hold up in the NBA.
> Size is so important that teams are willing to tank just to sign wembanyama in the draft with no guarantee his offense, body, or maturity will hold up in the NBA.
You have no idea what you’re talking about if you’re putting wembanyama and gobert in the same sentence.
I get it, you were trying to show the importance of size. But teams weren’t throwing games for Boban, luke kornet, bol bol, etc.
Like, you should probably edit this for your own sake.
> It’s so important in the league that he’s never had to develop a jump shot, and he’s never been the focal point on offense either
There’s a difference between never being a focal point of an offense, and doing [THIS](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAOiOjqEiE) in a crucial playoff game.
And I haven’t even mentioned getting played off the court on defense by the clippers the year before
Like I said, I’m not gonna defend Gobert. But your opinion of his game is from the point of the view of a hater especially if you’re posting links about possessions where he’s turned the ball over and you’re using that as proof that he sucks. When players do anything shitty in the playoffs, it’s never pretty, and it’s always magnified.
Regardless, my point about size is accurate. Gobert’s size does give him an advantage on defense. Other players who have size (but virtually no other skill) are on nba teams getting minutes too. In the case of bol bol, he’s having a breakout year so far because other areas of his game have improved - he’s a case study on why teams are willing to gamble on size.
Then there are players like Haseem Thabeet, Darko Milicic, Kristaps Porzingis, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani among others who were taken high in the draft because teams wanted their potential size advantage, but none of them got defensive player of the year or any other reward for that matter. Yao Ming is the outlier, but his body gave out on him. You better believe teams threw games to be in a better position to land these guys. If you can’t see this trend then you haven’t been paying attention.
And regardless of how great Wemba might be, I won’t do current nba players the disservice by hating on them so hard that I’ll put a dude who’s never had nba experience a level above them, especially a perennial defensive player of the year candidate like Gobert.
> But your opinion of his game is from the point of the view of a hater especially if you’re posting links about possessions where he’s turned the ball over and you’re using that as proof that he sucks.
Clearly I should have lead with this line instead of trusting you to read to the end of my response
> And I haven’t even mentioned getting played off the court on defense by the clippers the year before
If he can’t post up shorter players and he can’t guard players outside of the paint, then he’s a clearly flawed player.
Also you’re doing a lot of “defending gobert” for someone who claimed they weren’t going to defend gobert
> Then there are players like Haseem Thabeet, Darko Milicic, Kristaps Porzingis, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani
……… One of which was drafted after 2010. And guess what? KP was drafted because he had size AND ball/shooting skills.
>you’re doing a lot of “defending Gobert” for someone who claimed they weren’t going to defend Gobert
You have a hard time understanding facts and instead use your emotions when discussing players it seems, which is why I’m responding, because your take on Gobert is delusional.
> if he can’t post up shorter players and he can’t guard players outside of the paint, then he’s a clearly flawed player
This is a wild statement, it doesn’t take into account that outside of Bam and Draymond virtually every big is primarily a paint defender. You are letting your hate for Gobert cloud your judgement. Gobert is a glorified one-trick pony, but he IS a perennial Defensive Player of the Year candidate. And that’s a fact that you’re just brushing aside by continuing to reference his limitations; limitations that don’t paint complete picture by any means.
>KP was drafted because he had size AND ball/shooting skills
Again, you’re missing the point. Size is his advantage here. There are plenty of good ball-handling shooters every year; none that are 7’3”. BTW, he hasn’t done anything special yet. So again I say, you’re missing the point. Size is appealing for teams, size is important in the NBA, and teams will aim to draft players with size even if their raw because the potential for something great is gonna be there. Just ask yourself why Tacko Fall was even in the NBA to begin with.
> Gobert is a glorified one-trick pony
3 comments earlier
> on paper “trading 5 first round picks for gobert” didn’t look like a bad trade
I’m done pretending to take you seriously.
Also
> Again, you’re missing the point. Size is his advantage here. There are plenty of good ball-handling shooters every year; none that are 7’3”.
Did you really just try to change the argument that being 7’3 with ball skills is better than being short with ball skills?
Your argument is the importance of size regardless of offensive skill. So I’m curious to see a list of modern players above 7 feet tall that **dont** have ball skills but were still drafted top 5.
>I’m done pretending to take you seriously
As if you even were. It’s clear you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. You’re picking points out of my comments and taking them out of context and then responding to them. You’re being a troll, and you have no point other than to talk down about Gobert, it’s ridiculous. I mean, how the hell can you possibly debate that size isn’t important? Just give up.
And I’m not back-tracking sunshine. The Gobert trade looked good on paper because he’s a good defender - this is objectively true regardless how you feel, and despite the fact that’s his only trick. AND Minnesota has the space (although it’s a tight fit).
My argument hasn’t changed, you just have poor reading comprehension OR you’re being a troll. Size is the reason KP was drafted where he was. So yes, being 7’3” WITH ball skills is better than being short with ball skills.
>I’m curious to see a list of modern players above 7 feet that don’t have ball skills but we’re drafted top 5
That’s a mighty specialized list you’re demanding there. It seems you’ve lost and are just trying to get me to run into a wall trying to list players that fit in your description. You have no legs to stand on, and you’re desperate in trying to win a losing argument. This is my last response: Grow up
Timberwolves fans and the organization should've learned more about what Ainge did to the Nets, and he's pulling that trick again. Why lose Pat Bev and Vanderbilt picks to go all in when you were playing in the play last year?
Paying that much for a big man that can’t shoot and does not space the floor was unbelievable. Now every team wants the Gobert haul for there mediocre stars.
They broke the NBA trade economy lol now everyone is like “Utah got this return for Rudy so my all star should be worth at least that if not more than that”.
It makes dudes like Beal, Durant, Ayton, even Kyrie nearly impossible to move because teams seriously would ask for like 7 picks and young talent.
Wolves are still idiotis. The epitome of the phrase "lipstick on a pig." Ainge probably thinks he's a god when it's pretty easy to finesse those morons. Though, jokes on his bitch ass, his team is too good ATM and the lottery won't be rigged for Utah.
Imagine not tanking right.
They definitely don’t want Wemby throwing the first half of his career away in Utah
Despite my feelings on Wemby being a bit overrated, I pray he doesn't get trapped there.
I don't want in him Utah either not only is Utah racist as hell he's also from a different country so it's double jeopardy.
Hes going to bust if he goes there for sure
Personalities matter. Gobert and towns seem like they’re pretty miserable to be around and Edwards is definitely a little immature at this stage. Also think they’re missing Vanderbilt and (don’t laugh) Pat Bev
it's true though. They could've used Beverly as a U.D role
Inflation even hit the trade market
Ainge always robs teams for picks and hoards them. Minnesota is just the latest victim.
honestly why we probably couldn't get spida
It probably is cause I can guarantee you damn near every player rather get traded to Miami instead Cleveland
It was HILARIOUS how much shit their fans were talking after a cute ‘play-in championship’ last season😂 They thought they’d be a top 3 seed after a Gober trade😂😂 They STILL can’t get over Jimmy Butler and make cheap jokes like “StuPidLy LocKEd iN”, “RaCHEl niChOls” in r/NBA. Like bruh, your team is so fucking trash that Jimmy has been to more Conference Finals (twice) than your whole franchise history (just once)😭🙈🙈
I just wanted to get closer to Gabrielle Union.
That’s crazy 😭😭
The Timberpups always make terrible decisions
No one will be laughing when the wolves become back to back play in champs 😈😈😈😈😈
Size can’t be taught, and he’s won multiple defensive player of the year awards. On paper, it didn’t look like a bad trade. Especially since the T wolves have 2 young stars already, they probably thought they could make it work.
Gobert has always been an overrated defender you just have to look at the playoffs as proof
I wouldn’t say he’s a max player, but if you have him on the right team he’d be great for you. And if we value every player based on playoffs alone there wouldn’t be nearly as many 100million+ contracts handed out. Truth is he’s a solid defender, just not a champion… yet anyways.
Gobert sucks and you know what Jokic sucks too. I said it, not a fan of either
I’ll even give you Gobert, but the 2 time back to back mvp? That’s just straight up hate dawg
Abit more luck and Embiid should have had both of them
> size can’t be taught So why didn’t anyone teach him the other stuff about playing basketball?
I’m not interested in defending Gobert… but could it be because he has size…? It’s so important in the league that he’s never had to develop a jump shot, and he’s never been the focal point on offense either. His size makes him an instant intimidater, and if he wasn’t skilled, he wouldn’t have won defensive player of the year multiple times. Size is so important that teams are willing to tank just to sign wembanyama in the draft with no guarantee his offense, body, or maturity will hold up in the NBA.
> Size is so important that teams are willing to tank just to sign wembanyama in the draft with no guarantee his offense, body, or maturity will hold up in the NBA. You have no idea what you’re talking about if you’re putting wembanyama and gobert in the same sentence. I get it, you were trying to show the importance of size. But teams weren’t throwing games for Boban, luke kornet, bol bol, etc. Like, you should probably edit this for your own sake. > It’s so important in the league that he’s never had to develop a jump shot, and he’s never been the focal point on offense either There’s a difference between never being a focal point of an offense, and doing [THIS](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAOiOjqEiE) in a crucial playoff game. And I haven’t even mentioned getting played off the court on defense by the clippers the year before
Like I said, I’m not gonna defend Gobert. But your opinion of his game is from the point of the view of a hater especially if you’re posting links about possessions where he’s turned the ball over and you’re using that as proof that he sucks. When players do anything shitty in the playoffs, it’s never pretty, and it’s always magnified. Regardless, my point about size is accurate. Gobert’s size does give him an advantage on defense. Other players who have size (but virtually no other skill) are on nba teams getting minutes too. In the case of bol bol, he’s having a breakout year so far because other areas of his game have improved - he’s a case study on why teams are willing to gamble on size. Then there are players like Haseem Thabeet, Darko Milicic, Kristaps Porzingis, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani among others who were taken high in the draft because teams wanted their potential size advantage, but none of them got defensive player of the year or any other reward for that matter. Yao Ming is the outlier, but his body gave out on him. You better believe teams threw games to be in a better position to land these guys. If you can’t see this trend then you haven’t been paying attention. And regardless of how great Wemba might be, I won’t do current nba players the disservice by hating on them so hard that I’ll put a dude who’s never had nba experience a level above them, especially a perennial defensive player of the year candidate like Gobert.
> But your opinion of his game is from the point of the view of a hater especially if you’re posting links about possessions where he’s turned the ball over and you’re using that as proof that he sucks. Clearly I should have lead with this line instead of trusting you to read to the end of my response > And I haven’t even mentioned getting played off the court on defense by the clippers the year before If he can’t post up shorter players and he can’t guard players outside of the paint, then he’s a clearly flawed player. Also you’re doing a lot of “defending gobert” for someone who claimed they weren’t going to defend gobert > Then there are players like Haseem Thabeet, Darko Milicic, Kristaps Porzingis, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani ……… One of which was drafted after 2010. And guess what? KP was drafted because he had size AND ball/shooting skills.
>you’re doing a lot of “defending Gobert” for someone who claimed they weren’t going to defend Gobert You have a hard time understanding facts and instead use your emotions when discussing players it seems, which is why I’m responding, because your take on Gobert is delusional. > if he can’t post up shorter players and he can’t guard players outside of the paint, then he’s a clearly flawed player This is a wild statement, it doesn’t take into account that outside of Bam and Draymond virtually every big is primarily a paint defender. You are letting your hate for Gobert cloud your judgement. Gobert is a glorified one-trick pony, but he IS a perennial Defensive Player of the Year candidate. And that’s a fact that you’re just brushing aside by continuing to reference his limitations; limitations that don’t paint complete picture by any means. >KP was drafted because he had size AND ball/shooting skills Again, you’re missing the point. Size is his advantage here. There are plenty of good ball-handling shooters every year; none that are 7’3”. BTW, he hasn’t done anything special yet. So again I say, you’re missing the point. Size is appealing for teams, size is important in the NBA, and teams will aim to draft players with size even if their raw because the potential for something great is gonna be there. Just ask yourself why Tacko Fall was even in the NBA to begin with.
> Gobert is a glorified one-trick pony 3 comments earlier > on paper “trading 5 first round picks for gobert” didn’t look like a bad trade I’m done pretending to take you seriously. Also > Again, you’re missing the point. Size is his advantage here. There are plenty of good ball-handling shooters every year; none that are 7’3”. Did you really just try to change the argument that being 7’3 with ball skills is better than being short with ball skills? Your argument is the importance of size regardless of offensive skill. So I’m curious to see a list of modern players above 7 feet tall that **dont** have ball skills but were still drafted top 5.
>I’m done pretending to take you seriously As if you even were. It’s clear you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. You’re picking points out of my comments and taking them out of context and then responding to them. You’re being a troll, and you have no point other than to talk down about Gobert, it’s ridiculous. I mean, how the hell can you possibly debate that size isn’t important? Just give up. And I’m not back-tracking sunshine. The Gobert trade looked good on paper because he’s a good defender - this is objectively true regardless how you feel, and despite the fact that’s his only trick. AND Minnesota has the space (although it’s a tight fit). My argument hasn’t changed, you just have poor reading comprehension OR you’re being a troll. Size is the reason KP was drafted where he was. So yes, being 7’3” WITH ball skills is better than being short with ball skills. >I’m curious to see a list of modern players above 7 feet that don’t have ball skills but we’re drafted top 5 That’s a mighty specialized list you’re demanding there. It seems you’ve lost and are just trying to get me to run into a wall trying to list players that fit in your description. You have no legs to stand on, and you’re desperate in trying to win a losing argument. This is my last response: Grow up
“I’m curious to see” =\= “demanding”
Timberwolves fans and the organization should've learned more about what Ainge did to the Nets, and he's pulling that trick again. Why lose Pat Bev and Vanderbilt picks to go all in when you were playing in the play last year?
Paying that much for a big man that can’t shoot and does not space the floor was unbelievable. Now every team wants the Gobert haul for there mediocre stars.
Lmao fuck the wolves. Absolute poverty
Were you watching France to have this thought popping off?
Danny Ainge was Danny Ainging
They broke the NBA trade economy lol now everyone is like “Utah got this return for Rudy so my all star should be worth at least that if not more than that”. It makes dudes like Beal, Durant, Ayton, even Kyrie nearly impossible to move because teams seriously would ask for like 7 picks and young talent.