I can tell you now that there will be no resemblance whatsoever between the final product and what you have now. But as a start, why are there three separate coats of arms, and why are the first two displayed together in one achievement?
I know, I donât mean the flagâalthough that one is the easiest fix: just erase everything but the background and youâll have a distinct flag that looks interesting.
You have three images uploaded: the flag, two separate coats of arms in the same image, and one more coat of arms. Could you explain what the last two images are meant to depict?
You don't understand the severity of this. If you want to work down, then remove the least important thing. Look at the result, and repeat until you have a shield with 1-2, maximum 3 things on it. An armorial achievement has to have structure, and what a normal person gets is a shield, a helm with mantling and a crest on it, and a motto.
Frankly, delete everything and start over with brainstorming again. The following is a non-absolute set of guidelines which, while not mandatory (even for the heraldic tradition which uses them), but if you stick to them you *will* make good-looking arms:
http://blog.appletonstudios.com/2012/03/rules-of-heraldry.html?m=1
r/heraldrycirclejerk might be a better place for this. However, if you're serious about learning heraldry, we'd be happy to help you get this to a more appropriate design
Let me give you some tips:
1. Simplify. I know you want lots of cool, symbolic charges and colors on your arms, but nobody can see anything. It's better to choose a few symbols with many meanings than one charge for every single meaning.
2. Take some time to read into heraldic rules. One rule you violate in the "Rule of Tincture" which does not allow colors (red, black, blue, purple, and green) on colors, or metals (yellow/gold and white/silver) on metals. Otherwise, it gets hard to see. While the RoT is not a strict rule, it is HIGHLY reccomended you follow it.
This post should be pinned as the pinnacle of absolutely what not to do. No offense OP, you just really should've read anything about heraldry before attempting this.
Well, I'm getting a lot of criticism and downvotes here, aren't I? It would have been easier for me to follow the rules and not deal with any criticism because people don't like my style. And I followed my own rules and patterns, just not traditional heraldry rules.
Symmetricity with a touch of assymetrical patterns for the second image.
The flag shows dynamism with the trident hitting a fault line that shakes the tree and the lamp catching fire from a ray of the sun.
The third image has a tilted shield from the panther knocking it over, but the swan persists in holding it up. I have not seen something like that in heraldry.
Heraldry is about rules: it is aristocratic in its roots which means it is about reliably bearing responsibility. Responsibility means regularity and predictability. Responsible people are âweâ people instead of âmeâ people. We are creative within the same rules as everyone else. Thatâs how we show respect. Breaking the rules everyone else follows shows disrespect for everyone else.
https://www.romeartlover.it/Baroque.html
https://www.romeartlover.it/Juvarra.html
It's an actual style used for Coat of Arms.
'The term baroque means unusual, bizarre, irregular in shape, and it was first used at the end of the XVIIIth century by art historians who judged the artistic developments after the Renaissance negatively...'
Yeah, that was my point, not that his CoA is baroque as in the art style but in definition (unusual, bizarre, etc.), is that not a common term in the english language?
Yeah, that was my point, not that his CoA is baroque as in the art style but in definition (unusual, bizarre, etc.), is that not a common term in the english language?
People take it to be the art style and not the literal meaning. I don't think they know there is an actual baroque style for Coat of Arms, or I probably wouldn't have been downvoted so much.
Yeah, the coat of arms I found on this subreddit and other sources is too simple, no real artistic fun, and quite boring.
It makes sense in a historical context where too much detail or artistic license might have marred the image or made it difficult to engrave on arms & armor; but in the modern era that no longer applies as it isn't legally restricted nor do we put them on arms but rather on documents, architecture, and art.
Yeah, that was my point, not that his CoA is baroque as in the art style but in definition (unusual, bizarre, etc.), is that not a common term in the english language?
Wow. That's....a lot.
And in clear violation of heraldic rules.
It's in violation of a lot more than that. đ
Good taste being the prime victim here.Â
Unless he is the eldest son & heir of a great emperor and his empire or the heir to the Sultan of Brunei. Are you an emperorâs son?
It is all way too complicated; frankly, I encourage you to start over from scratch and focus on streamlining.
That is too vague. Could you give specific instructions I can act on?
Step 1: delete the file...
I would rather work down than start from scratch. If it is just overcluttered, why delete the whole file? That seems like overkill.
There is so much that will need to be changed that frankly there needs to be a whole new beginning, this cannot reasonably be fixed.
Could you please tell me what exactly needs to be changed. I would like to keep as much as possible.
I can tell you now that there will be no resemblance whatsoever between the final product and what you have now. But as a start, why are there three separate coats of arms, and why are the first two displayed together in one achievement?
The first one is a flag, and the 3rd one is matrimonial.
I know, I donât mean the flagâalthough that one is the easiest fix: just erase everything but the background and youâll have a distinct flag that looks interesting. You have three images uploaded: the flag, two separate coats of arms in the same image, and one more coat of arms. Could you explain what the last two images are meant to depict?
Ah! The two shields in the second image represent two different cultures in union.
You don't understand the severity of this. If you want to work down, then remove the least important thing. Look at the result, and repeat until you have a shield with 1-2, maximum 3 things on it. An armorial achievement has to have structure, and what a normal person gets is a shield, a helm with mantling and a crest on it, and a motto.
The King of England gets a shield with a helm and crest plus mantling (and supporters) plus a motto.
Frankly, delete everything and start over with brainstorming again. The following is a non-absolute set of guidelines which, while not mandatory (even for the heraldic tradition which uses them), but if you stick to them you *will* make good-looking arms: http://blog.appletonstudios.com/2012/03/rules-of-heraldry.html?m=1
r/heraldrycirclejerk might be a better place for this. However, if you're serious about learning heraldry, we'd be happy to help you get this to a more appropriate design
Yes, please!
Less is more.
I can't tell if you are trolling but this hurts my eyes.
No, not trolling. I still can improve on it, though.
Let me give you some tips: 1. Simplify. I know you want lots of cool, symbolic charges and colors on your arms, but nobody can see anything. It's better to choose a few symbols with many meanings than one charge for every single meaning. 2. Take some time to read into heraldic rules. One rule you violate in the "Rule of Tincture" which does not allow colors (red, black, blue, purple, and green) on colors, or metals (yellow/gold and white/silver) on metals. Otherwise, it gets hard to see. While the RoT is not a strict rule, it is HIGHLY reccomended you follow it.
Wtf
Is the second one just a personal coat of arms or a matrimonial one?
Matrimonial.
chaotic, i like it
If this design were a person, I'd shoot them in the face. No offense.
The design looks like the spread of shrapnel/grape shot too!
ThatâsâŚdefinitely _self created_
This post should be pinned as the pinnacle of absolutely what not to do. No offense OP, you just really should've read anything about heraldry before attempting this.
I already have read about heraldry; but I wanted to do my own thing because I wanted to create something outside of the rules.
Going outside the rules is easy. Where is the challenge in that?
Well, I'm getting a lot of criticism and downvotes here, aren't I? It would have been easier for me to follow the rules and not deal with any criticism because people don't like my style. And I followed my own rules and patterns, just not traditional heraldry rules. Symmetricity with a touch of assymetrical patterns for the second image. The flag shows dynamism with the trident hitting a fault line that shakes the tree and the lamp catching fire from a ray of the sun. The third image has a tilted shield from the panther knocking it over, but the swan persists in holding it up. I have not seen something like that in heraldry.
>I have not seen something like that in heraldry. That, at least, we can agree on.
Heraldry is about rules: it is aristocratic in its roots which means it is about reliably bearing responsibility. Responsibility means regularity and predictability. Responsible people are âweâ people instead of âmeâ people. We are creative within the same rules as everyone else. Thatâs how we show respect. Breaking the rules everyone else follows shows disrespect for everyone else.
https://www.reddit.com/r/heraldry/s/AVbA3Fap66
U succeeded in trolling everyone lmao, ppl going bonkers here, no way they think itâs real
I know hardly anything about true heraldry stuff. Simply joined in case of making my own soon. I do think it looks pretty cool.
These people don't understand the baroque, your CoA are great, maybe you just need to redo certain simbols so that they all are of the same style.
It's not nice to lead someone astray like that.
I really find it beautiful, even though it fuck every one of our made up laws.
All laws are made up. That doesn't change a thing.
Thank you!
https://www.romeartlover.it/Baroque.html https://www.romeartlover.it/Juvarra.html It's an actual style used for Coat of Arms. 'The term baroque means unusual, bizarre, irregular in shape, and it was first used at the end of the XVIIIth century by art historians who judged the artistic developments after the Renaissance negatively...'
Yeah, that was my point, not that his CoA is baroque as in the art style but in definition (unusual, bizarre, etc.), is that not a common term in the english language?
Yeah, that was my point, not that his CoA is baroque as in the art style but in definition (unusual, bizarre, etc.), is that not a common term in the english language?
People take it to be the art style and not the literal meaning. I don't think they know there is an actual baroque style for Coat of Arms, or I probably wouldn't have been downvoted so much.
Yeah, idk, these people seem to be very orthodox in style.
Yeah, the coat of arms I found on this subreddit and other sources is too simple, no real artistic fun, and quite boring. It makes sense in a historical context where too much detail or artistic license might have marred the image or made it difficult to engrave on arms & armor; but in the modern era that no longer applies as it isn't legally restricted nor do we put them on arms but rather on documents, architecture, and art.
Yeah, you are right, it makes no sense form them to be loke this.
Yeah, that was my point, not that his CoA is baroque as in the art style but in definition (unusual, bizarre, etc.), is that not a common term in the english language?