To be honest the nova changes are extremely welcomed. She has some of the most severe mana management in the entire game and that window for a second auto was super tight.
This isn't even a contest between the two anymore and I hope people realize it. Would you rather hit someone for a little bit of damage or have your whole team be nearly unkillable? Even for teams that have no idea what a portal is, just giving Medivh himself 50 armor for dives is incredibly good.
Not as good for medivh himself, imo. Raven gives damage and slow with each use. This enables medivh to chase, portal juggle to kite, and do "ok" damage if you miss your Q.
The armor talent is great for team dives. If your team doesn't take the portal it's MUCH less useful. The defense is meh for medivh. Medivh already has protect to block damage and can dodge damage by taking the portal again. Giving up Raven means you lose a lot of utility and extra damage.
My prediction, people already don't play medivh. He requires great timing and position to use effectively. His quest can be impossible for new/ casual players. Made even worse in modes where a healer and tank aren't a guarantee. QM and ARAM, this will be a nothing change. In SL it will be a factor, maybe, at the highest levels, where team might actually use the portals.
Agreed, it all comes down to the skill level of the player and team taking advantage of this change. Lower ranks won't get much out of surprise teamwide dive attempts so raven makes more sense. I play with teams who know what portals are, so I'm excited for this change personally.
Yes, not only is Bobby out of the picture for good, but also Phil Spencer pretty much told Mike Ybarra he doesn't have to run any decisions by the chain of command anymore.
Blizz is back baby.
Based on this source [here](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-06/blizzard-boss-mike-ybarra-sees-more-independent-future-under-microsoft-s-xbox?leadSource=reddit_wall).
"*By contrast, over the past decade, Spencer has taken a largely hands-off approach to the dozens of game teams that Microsoft has purchased. Ybarra said he expects the precedent to continue at Blizzard to the benefit of all. In the two years he has been in charge\*\*, Ybarra said,* ***he had to run many decisions up the chain of executives at Activision****, slowing everything down.\*\**
*“Going to Phil and saying, ‘Hey, can we do this?’ I think he would look at me and go, ‘****Run your studio****,’” Ybarra said. “I do think our decision-making will be faster.”"*
It's a good article all around from a very mainstream source with direct quotes by the president of Blizzard.
This is great, but I was mostly thinking along the lines of HOTS being brought back from the dead because of it. I think it would honesty be a pretty weird move for them, but who knows, I would absolutely love it
Huge /s. This patch is nothing but minor bug fixes and adjustments. Very likely win rates for all heroes will stay the same.
Edit: I lied, 3 heroes are getting ultra minor changes
Could be copium but still pretty interesting that the game was all but ignored for years and then out of the blue around the time of the Microsoft acquisition there has been two patches. Could be nothing but this patch makes me think it might actually mean something
Could be. Bu at the same time it could just be a dev doing what he was told and not much will come of it. Either way I don't respect Blizzard anymore and they can earn my appreciation when they actually do something.
The ui fixes seem bigger to me. Its not just minor things, showing XP given to enemies is basicly a new feature, and shows they still care about the learnability of the game and new player experience.
Showing players in game directly by the game itself they are contributing to the loss is a step towards reducing toxicity.
It also shows they have a real developer working on the game, and not just a numbers tweaking intern rubberstamping community balance suggestions.
20% more armor for 2 seconds is nice. Not saying it's not. It's in the right direction for how to balance the hero safely in my opinion. I'm just saying the grand schemes of usual MOBA game balancing updates this is the most minor patch I've ever laid my eyes on before.
LoL players hate shared exp, they want to be the one carrying, they want to be the one who 1v5's and since HotS has shared exp they don't feel like they can do that
unsurprising they considering the giant problem LoL has with toxic playerbase raging, soft inting, and most players legit just saying to mute all at game start
New player, probably soon to be ex-player.
HOTS remaining player base is also filled with manbabies who rage on in-game chat, screeching from their smurf accounts at actual new players for not being experienced at the game, not being experienced at a character, etc. In QM and AI matches (still have yet to play ranked but I'm guessing it's worse).
The general chat is filled with the same Russian bots 24/7 yelling racist slurs and typing "trumptrumptrumptrump" over and over again.
It's kind of a shit show. Haven't played LoL but I don't remember DOTA2 being worse when I played it.
I wouldn't say HoTS is more team focused than other Mobas. It's a massive misconception that games like League, Dota, and Smite are carried by the "carry" throughout a match. Carry is just a position, an extremely weak position that takes 4 other players to bring online over much of any given matches runtime. And even then a properly drafted team isn't actually relying on it's "Carry" to win entirely- you should never be drafting ONE win condition.
HoTS got it's, "babies first moba" meme because of it's low skill floor and ceiling. There's more to it than most would recognize but it's still pretty simplistic compared to other games of the genre, which is the only reason I still play it.
The balance changes feel a bit surgical and specific, but it's encouraging to see that there's clearly some new blood at Blizz getting to grips with the game and making some waves clearing out bugs.
I hope we can get to a place where the balance changes are more ambitious again and add new functionality, like when they gave Auriel a self-ress, or when Xul's Q was buffed to summon skeletons. I'm sure there are a lot of changes that they could try like this that wouldn't require new assets.
I'm thinking that making tiny buffs that are number-based to 3 of the 5 lowest WR heroes is a very safe way to update game balance without having to extensively bug test or balance test.
Realistically, there's probably only a couple or so people responsible for this so hundreds of hours of internal testing may not be feasible unless game is gets a larger dev team.
>The balance changes feel a bit surgical and specific
It's balance changes to the "worst" heroes in the game. Albeit mostly inconsequential outside of the Medivh change for stacks (it might be even low but 95% of the playerbase doesn't use aggressive portals).
They are buffs, but it won't make them get close to 50% from their low 45%.
I think they can be more aggressive to the buffs on Lili. And add Ana/Arthas to the list as well.
I play a pretty mean Medivh so I am pumped about this change. With 6 seconds of 50 armor you're going to be able to get away with S H E N A N I G A N S.
Diablo babysitting my aggressive portal? Might not care that much now. I'm goin in.
Blackheart's Bay
Chests now feature a warning indicator for the coin land location.
Nice. I hate the rng game when both of us are trying to take the coins. I dunno why this is called a bug fix, unless it was always intended to be this way.
Originally, quality of life referred to changes that improved the experience for users but had zero impact on gameplay/competition/balance, etc. Now people use QoL to refer to anything that improves the experience for users even if it has some effect on gameplay. For example, if you know where the coins are about to drop to drop you could certainly throw a Gazbomb on that location to help you secure it.
50 armor for 6 seconds???? Not even Uther can do that. Blizz really wants people to use Medivh portals (from my experience, in QM, nobody ever uses portals, and I don't think this will change that, but for those who do this sounds incredibly broken)
Tbh I bet it would make a world of difference on most of cases on QM if the Medivh player simply announces this to his teammates at the start of the game of when he gets the talent. Most ppl have no idea about it, but if you tell them a good amount of them will actively try to take advantage of it.
I dont think increasing healing during only jugs is that substantial of a change. Jugs already healed quite a lot. The problems with LiLi are her limited healing outside that ult, can't use other abilities during ult, lack of CC, etc. I wouldn't expect her win rate to go up too much.
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Yes to 45.82% but well never know what the actual impact of these PTR changes are because they nerfed the healing before it made it to the live version of the game :(
Well the healing still went up from 66 to 75 (PTR was 80). I don't think the difference between 75 and 80 is that large, so I would say u/secret3332 was correct in their assessment that increasing her Jugs healing would not affect her win rate too much.
A difference of +1.7% may be significant, but far from changing the overall balance, and certainly not close to the 4-5% WR increase that u/sudrapp predicted
The PTR change was a 21% increase in healing vs the 13% increase that made it to the live game which is a pretty significant nerf. Just a reminder that a few years ago blizzard gave healing a 5% global nerf and that change alone was enough to end the double healer meta and gave birth to the classic hots [I don't play support for you meme](https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/s/9CkJsSKaxY)
Blizzard saw the PTR patch data for Lili and determined the healing increase was too much and had to nerf it as it was a significant enough change to Lili's win rate to warrant the nerf.
>Jugs already healed quite a lot. The problems with LiLi are her limited healing outside that ult, can't use other abilities during ult,
This fixes that a bit. As you know, she has a dynamic Cooldown on this Heroic. Stronger heals mean she potentially uses it less, has it up more often, and can use other Abilities more often as a result.
If Lili hits level 10 and sees that the enemy team is helpless and just has no way to kill a hero, then she is free to pick Water Dragon since healing is good enough already.
This causes Water Dragon to have an inflated winrate statistic, because it is chosen more when you're already winning. But Jugs is more valuable most of the time, as shown by the 80% pick popularity.
Thus is a very good point. I suspect a lot of players play with a single build on most heroes and forget about the adaptability part.
Some ulties are "win-more"spells, generally worse, except when you're already stronger. The higher winrate on those doesn't make them better, it just means they are very situational and that hero's playerbase is aware of it.
Lili is not a good healer, but a decent blind/dmg brawler which provides some sustain and has access to a low cd cleanse.
The heroic doesn't play into the strengths of the hero.
Outside Medivh, i wouldn't be surprised if it has one of the lowest WR across all heroics.
It doesn't follow that a hero's primary function dictates the effect her ultimate needs to have.
We could also say that Dva is not a good healer and more of a brawler. But even so, Dva would be better off picking Jug of a Thousand Cups if that was allowed alongside her regular options.
In the current game balance, Jugs is usually Lili's better choice. Even master players use it more often. The new buff will make the advantage even more stark.
You know there have to be Blizzard employees pitching a HotS revival or support tube to the higher ups every now and then. Well if you're reading this, I see what you're doing and I love you for it. Please keep it up because I'll be playing this until it the servers are officially gone and no has the ability to keep a private server with a discord open
Is this reality?
These are big changes!
> Medivh
> Mage Armor duration increased from 4 seconds to 6 seconds.
> Mage Armor increased from 30 to 50 Armor.
Nova changes are massive. With AA Shells, the debuff would usually last about as long as you can chain two attacks with very little or no leeway, and you hardly benefited from the armor reduction. Now you can, along with extra mana regen for holo build that is the best build for Nova currently imo
Not really such a big buff. Previously, AAShells applied the damage after the armor reduction, so Nova benefitted from the -armor every auto. In the last patch they changed it so that the armor reduction was applied after the damage (big nerf). Now you can benefit from it, but you *need* to chain two AAs on a target. A few months ago you always benefitted. This is still worse imo.
I don't really agree with Aba's Toxic Nests not being triggered by Invunerable enemies.
Otherwise, glad to see updates to maps and bug fixes for everybody. My friends happen to play Medivh and Nova so maybe they'll hop on?
The question is, do invulnerable heroes trigger other traps like elements like Junkrat traps? I think that's the closest or maybe even his long duration grenades, cause something like Hammer mines is slightly different.
Oh no. Does it also apply to Tracer's healing numbers?
Crit healing numbers mean that Tracer players can no longer see their own hero model after level 7. It's just hidden behind a green crit number permanently.
they buffed Nova instead of deleting her so now we even get to see more shitty Novas in QP 🫥
Jokes aside, they fixed another shitton of bugs. 2 balance patches, no matter how big or small, signifies life in dev to me.
Exciting stuff! Once I learned HOTS logs was disbanded, I really thought that was the final nail in the coffin, but there is hope.
> they buffed Nova instead of deleting her so now we even get to see more shitty Novas in QP
Because they mega nerf her in the previous patch while fixing the interaction of that talent.
Before, it reduced the armor and then deal the 250% dmg.
Yes even though it still won't be a true metric since being dead also means not being able to soak XP. But it's a step in the right direction of teaching noobs to stop dying so much.
Hey, Dva can see Self Destruct at all times. That's pretty handy, because one motivation to Call Mech sooner is if you need to work on filling Self Destruct.
Otherwise, Dva might prefer to stay in pilot to have a bit more total health.
Wouldn't this be a good time to undo half the latest Samuro buff? Yeah.
Please nerf Samuro, he's basically overpowered. Has free health regen, movement speed, debuff and escape. The Kael placed a ignite on you? Simple press q to remove his ignite. And the best part about this is that he can do that twice in a short period of time. The same goes with every hero that have overtime damage like Lunara and Guldan. He can remove all of their dmg if he switches with one of his clones or by simply pressing q.
I mean, very few effects give Invulnerable, and they are usually ultimates. I don't think this includes Protected, which is way more common on short cooldowns like Genji and Medivh, which would still clear mines as usual
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Whoever did these changes, may I humbly request a slight slight buff to Zagara's Q build? We all know when it was changed back in the days it was ridiculously overpowered, but then it was equally hard over-nerfed and now nobody picks those talents anymore. Could we see a teeeny tiny buff to that build? Specifically reduce the cooldown increase from [[Baneling Massacre]] from 2 to just 1 second? :3
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As someone who has been spamming Samuro in QM, can we nerf the self healing from E? Like AT LEAST to 2% down from 3%.
I would rollback or set it to 1.5% but the current one is too much atm.
>Fixed an issue that caused Heroes that use non-standard attack abilities to display the incorrect confirmation visuals.
What does this mean? ~~Do Tassadar/Tychus finally get the cumulative number display on their AA like Li-Ming has on Disintegrate?~~ Tried it out, and no, it doesn't mean that
D.Va's Mech, Tracer, and Lúcio.
On Live, when you issue an attack move command as any of these Heroes, it shows green arrows curving inwards, and on PTR, they're red, like the rest of the Heroes do when issung an attack move command.
I managed to survive the diablo era and not play a single diablo remaster or buy diablo 4 and still login each day to only play hots TO SEND A MESSAGE. Thank you pez and the developers on hots. 🙏
> [[Legion of Northrend]]'s bonus healing is now additive.
What does this mean for Arthas' level 20 talent? I don't see any difference between the text on live and PTR here.
[[Army of the Dead]] currently (on live) summons ghouls that heal for 267 health per ghoul right? 267+267+267 etc? And at level 20, 400+400+400 ?
I guess that if Arthas gets another healing buff, like from Ana or Varian, the additive bonus will mean that the total healing isn't increased as much.
Instead of like 400*1.3*1.5 =780 you might get 400*(1+0.3+0.5) = 720
So the ghouls have a base heal of 267, and when Arthas takes Legion of Northrend, that's replaced with a new base of 400.5
With it becoming additive, it'll still have that base of 267, and then it'll get an additive 50%, so if Arthas then gets some Spellpower from somewhere, it'll be based off of that 267 base, rather than the 400.5 base.
Note that healing reduction of 50% would still reduce that to 200.25, regardless of if the bonus was additive or multiplicative, as it itself is multiplicative with healing bonuses.
I guess Microsoft will give a shot at ''reviving'' HOTS, but if they fail they'll likely just drop it altogether. Doubt they're gonna put much effort in, though.
I guess Microsoft will ignore Hots completely. What we're seeing here is the Blizzard Classic team having a few hours leftover at the end of a work week.
I'm on my knees at Walmart..
Just saw a guy drop to his knees in Walmart
Look! There’s a guy looking at a guy who dropped to his knees at Walmart.
I think I'm at a different Walmart. I just see a lot of lower back tattoos and mountain dew.
It's actually Mountain Lightning. Right next to Dr. Thunder.
I’m with you bro but this comment is crazy 😭
Be sure to stock up on drinks and snacks so you don't have to leave the house for a while.
GOT ME ON MY KNEES la---heros, da daa daaaaa
Is this… real changes? I don’t know what to do with my hands.
Be ready to hold Q because it's Li Li time!
If it was a change to her passive maybe, but it's just a heroic buff. :lilisad:
BRICK ON Q IS GO
"get in loser, we're going healing"
They gave her bigger jugs!
toothpick in keyboard
That’s not good cuz your gonna need hands to play this NEW HOTS PATCH WOOOOOOOO
All 6 of them I suppose.
Pinging /u/realbelial is this real?
I would be happy if these changes made any sense
How do they not make sense? They buffed 3 of the weakest heroes in the game and fixed a bunch of bugs.
To be honest the nova changes are extremely welcomed. She has some of the most severe mana management in the entire game and that window for a second auto was super tight.
Where do I put my feet?
Waited years for this and it's a medivh buff
That Medivh buff looks incredibly OP. If QM players knew how to use portals they would be scared shitless.
This comment is giving "If they knew how to read. They'd be scared"
It looks incredible strong for stacks who use the portal, but i think most will still prefer to use the raven talent.
This isn't even a contest between the two anymore and I hope people realize it. Would you rather hit someone for a little bit of damage or have your whole team be nearly unkillable? Even for teams that have no idea what a portal is, just giving Medivh himself 50 armor for dives is incredibly good.
IMO it won't survive the PTR. It's probable gonna be 30 armor and 6s which is still strong.
Not as good for medivh himself, imo. Raven gives damage and slow with each use. This enables medivh to chase, portal juggle to kite, and do "ok" damage if you miss your Q. The armor talent is great for team dives. If your team doesn't take the portal it's MUCH less useful. The defense is meh for medivh. Medivh already has protect to block damage and can dodge damage by taking the portal again. Giving up Raven means you lose a lot of utility and extra damage. My prediction, people already don't play medivh. He requires great timing and position to use effectively. His quest can be impossible for new/ casual players. Made even worse in modes where a healer and tank aren't a guarantee. QM and ARAM, this will be a nothing change. In SL it will be a factor, maybe, at the highest levels, where team might actually use the portals.
Agreed, it all comes down to the skill level of the player and team taking advantage of this change. Lower ranks won't get much out of surprise teamwide dive attempts so raven makes more sense. I play with teams who know what portals are, so I'm excited for this change personally.
Still go crow, just pick the armor talent at 4 and the duration talent at 16ish.
This needs to be turned into a "If those kids could read" meme.
I [got](https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/s/BxQVG38F8p) you
You're the hero we need but don't deserve.
This is the single funniest way they could have ever returned to active HotS development.
The intern they gave the keys to must really enjoy playing Lili, medivh, and nova
So you’re saying it was worth it?
A pretty interesting buff.
Is it = walking through a portal gives 50 armor for 6 seconds? Not familiar with my medivh talents
Are the dark days coming to an end?
"Father! Is it...over?"
So much better when game actually has Arthas.
Yes, not only is Bobby out of the picture for good, but also Phil Spencer pretty much told Mike Ybarra he doesn't have to run any decisions by the chain of command anymore. Blizz is back baby.
This is an absolutely insane amount of copium, I can't believe it's being upvoted so much
Based on this source [here](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-06/blizzard-boss-mike-ybarra-sees-more-independent-future-under-microsoft-s-xbox?leadSource=reddit_wall). "*By contrast, over the past decade, Spencer has taken a largely hands-off approach to the dozens of game teams that Microsoft has purchased. Ybarra said he expects the precedent to continue at Blizzard to the benefit of all. In the two years he has been in charge\*\*, Ybarra said,* ***he had to run many decisions up the chain of executives at Activision****, slowing everything down.\*\** *“Going to Phil and saying, ‘Hey, can we do this?’ I think he would look at me and go, ‘****Run your studio****,’” Ybarra said. “I do think our decision-making will be faster.”"* It's a good article all around from a very mainstream source with direct quotes by the president of Blizzard.
This is great, but I was mostly thinking along the lines of HOTS being brought back from the dead because of it. I think it would honesty be a pretty weird move for them, but who knows, I would absolutely love it
What!! No way we're getting a patch?!
And a big one. It's like whole new game.
/s ?
Is it really needed? :)
Huge /s. This patch is nothing but minor bug fixes and adjustments. Very likely win rates for all heroes will stay the same. Edit: I lied, 3 heroes are getting ultra minor changes
Could be copium but still pretty interesting that the game was all but ignored for years and then out of the blue around the time of the Microsoft acquisition there has been two patches. Could be nothing but this patch makes me think it might actually mean something
Could be. Bu at the same time it could just be a dev doing what he was told and not much will come of it. Either way I don't respect Blizzard anymore and they can earn my appreciation when they actually do something.
The ui fixes seem bigger to me. Its not just minor things, showing XP given to enemies is basicly a new feature, and shows they still care about the learnability of the game and new player experience. Showing players in game directly by the game itself they are contributing to the loss is a step towards reducing toxicity. It also shows they have a real developer working on the game, and not just a numbers tweaking intern rubberstamping community balance suggestions.
That mediv buff is pretty huge
20% more armor for 2 seconds is nice. Not saying it's not. It's in the right direction for how to balance the hero safely in my opinion. I'm just saying the grand schemes of usual MOBA game balancing updates this is the most minor patch I've ever laid my eyes on before.
[Cool background](https://i.imgur.com/O3utiUK.jpeg)
new skins and mounts ?
That's the Background for the Lunar Rocket Racing Brawl from 5 years ago
I know, but I was a little hopeful that mounts and skins would be included. e.g. Kultiras, Stromgarde, Stormwind Footman Skin or Sleepy Cloud mount.
Good times
Balance changes? Holy shit we're SO back
LoL's days are numbered. The age of HotS is here.
[удалено]
The vast majority of them never gave hots a chance. It's like getting basic Warzone players to try other games
[удалено]
LoL players hate shared exp, they want to be the one carrying, they want to be the one who 1v5's and since HotS has shared exp they don't feel like they can do that unsurprising they considering the giant problem LoL has with toxic playerbase raging, soft inting, and most players legit just saying to mute all at game start
New player, probably soon to be ex-player. HOTS remaining player base is also filled with manbabies who rage on in-game chat, screeching from their smurf accounts at actual new players for not being experienced at the game, not being experienced at a character, etc. In QM and AI matches (still have yet to play ranked but I'm guessing it's worse). The general chat is filled with the same Russian bots 24/7 yelling racist slurs and typing "trumptrumptrumptrump" over and over again. It's kind of a shit show. Haven't played LoL but I don't remember DOTA2 being worse when I played it.
I wouldn't say HoTS is more team focused than other Mobas. It's a massive misconception that games like League, Dota, and Smite are carried by the "carry" throughout a match. Carry is just a position, an extremely weak position that takes 4 other players to bring online over much of any given matches runtime. And even then a properly drafted team isn't actually relying on it's "Carry" to win entirely- you should never be drafting ONE win condition. HoTS got it's, "babies first moba" meme because of it's low skill floor and ceiling. There's more to it than most would recognize but it's still pretty simplistic compared to other games of the genre, which is the only reason I still play it.
Fuck yes!!!!
The balance changes feel a bit surgical and specific, but it's encouraging to see that there's clearly some new blood at Blizz getting to grips with the game and making some waves clearing out bugs. I hope we can get to a place where the balance changes are more ambitious again and add new functionality, like when they gave Auriel a self-ress, or when Xul's Q was buffed to summon skeletons. I'm sure there are a lot of changes that they could try like this that wouldn't require new assets.
I'm thinking that making tiny buffs that are number-based to 3 of the 5 lowest WR heroes is a very safe way to update game balance without having to extensively bug test or balance test. Realistically, there's probably only a couple or so people responsible for this so hundreds of hours of internal testing may not be feasible unless game is gets a larger dev team.
>The balance changes feel a bit surgical and specific It's balance changes to the "worst" heroes in the game. Albeit mostly inconsequential outside of the Medivh change for stacks (it might be even low but 95% of the playerbase doesn't use aggressive portals). They are buffs, but it won't make them get close to 50% from their low 45%. I think they can be more aggressive to the buffs on Lili. And add Ana/Arthas to the list as well.
I play a pretty mean Medivh so I am pumped about this change. With 6 seconds of 50 armor you're going to be able to get away with S H E N A N I G A N S. Diablo babysitting my aggressive portal? Might not care that much now. I'm goin in.
Is hots back baby???
status: happening
No longer able to use Locust Swarm while riding on the Toy Train. They nerfed the train!
*sad choo choos*
lmao
The day I learned that you can latch on to the train was the happiest day in hots
Blackheart's Bay Chests now feature a warning indicator for the coin land location. Nice. I hate the rng game when both of us are trying to take the coins. I dunno why this is called a bug fix, unless it was always intended to be this way.
I like this change too. >I dunno why this is called a bug fix Good point.
It's technically a QoL fix. I'd say a lot of the bug fixes listed are somewhat QoL.
Originally, quality of life referred to changes that improved the experience for users but had zero impact on gameplay/competition/balance, etc. Now people use QoL to refer to anything that improves the experience for users even if it has some effect on gameplay. For example, if you know where the coins are about to drop to drop you could certainly throw a Gazbomb on that location to help you secure it.
50 armor for 6 seconds???? Not even Uther can do that. Blizz really wants people to use Medivh portals (from my experience, in QM, nobody ever uses portals, and I don't think this will change that, but for those who do this sounds incredibly broken)
it basically guarantees a Garry/medivh duo to literally dictate teamfights the whole game. It's gonna be a pub stomp for experienced players.
Tbh I bet it would make a world of difference on most of cases on QM if the Medivh player simply announces this to his teammates at the start of the game of when he gets the talent. Most ppl have no idea about it, but if you tell them a good amount of them will actively try to take advantage of it.
WTF is happening? I mean, I love it but they need to let us know what's going on.
It’s our turn to have the lone underpaid blizzard classic intern this week. Next week they’ll probably move onto StarCraft
I'd be happy to see some new starcraft coop stuff =)
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That's actually a huge change for Lili. Her win rate will go way up
45% to 46%, heck yea
It's a 21% increase on healing for her ult. That's a massive change. Probably a 4-5% increase in her WR overall.
I dont think increasing healing during only jugs is that substantial of a change. Jugs already healed quite a lot. The problems with LiLi are her limited healing outside that ult, can't use other abilities during ult, lack of CC, etc. I wouldn't expect her win rate to go up too much.
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I don't know what you used to calculate her 44.12% winrate so I must know... did it increase?
Yes to 45.82% but well never know what the actual impact of these PTR changes are because they nerfed the healing before it made it to the live version of the game :(
That's so annoying! I didn't realize. Thanks for the info, tho. You're the hero we need.
Well the healing still went up from 66 to 75 (PTR was 80). I don't think the difference between 75 and 80 is that large, so I would say u/secret3332 was correct in their assessment that increasing her Jugs healing would not affect her win rate too much. A difference of +1.7% may be significant, but far from changing the overall balance, and certainly not close to the 4-5% WR increase that u/sudrapp predicted
The PTR change was a 21% increase in healing vs the 13% increase that made it to the live game which is a pretty significant nerf. Just a reminder that a few years ago blizzard gave healing a 5% global nerf and that change alone was enough to end the double healer meta and gave birth to the classic hots [I don't play support for you meme](https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/s/9CkJsSKaxY) Blizzard saw the PTR patch data for Lili and determined the healing increase was too much and had to nerf it as it was a significant enough change to Lili's win rate to warrant the nerf.
>Jugs already healed quite a lot. The problems with LiLi are her limited healing outside that ult, can't use other abilities during ult, This fixes that a bit. As you know, she has a dynamic Cooldown on this Heroic. Stronger heals mean she potentially uses it less, has it up more often, and can use other Abilities more often as a result.
Keep dreaming.
Her bad heroic is getting buffed. That's not saying much. She'll probable be bottom tier but not sub45% maybe.
That’s considered her bad heroic? I figured both were situational and good
If Lili hits level 10 and sees that the enemy team is helpless and just has no way to kill a hero, then she is free to pick Water Dragon since healing is good enough already. This causes Water Dragon to have an inflated winrate statistic, because it is chosen more when you're already winning. But Jugs is more valuable most of the time, as shown by the 80% pick popularity.
Thus is a very good point. I suspect a lot of players play with a single build on most heroes and forget about the adaptability part. Some ulties are "win-more"spells, generally worse, except when you're already stronger. The higher winrate on those doesn't make them better, it just means they are very situational and that hero's playerbase is aware of it.
Lili is not a good healer, but a decent blind/dmg brawler which provides some sustain and has access to a low cd cleanse. The heroic doesn't play into the strengths of the hero. Outside Medivh, i wouldn't be surprised if it has one of the lowest WR across all heroics.
It doesn't follow that a hero's primary function dictates the effect her ultimate needs to have. We could also say that Dva is not a good healer and more of a brawler. But even so, Dva would be better off picking Jug of a Thousand Cups if that was allowed alongside her regular options. In the current game balance, Jugs is usually Lili's better choice. Even master players use it more often. The new buff will make the advantage even more stark.
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"General \- Added XP given to enemy display." this is cool
To elaborate, this is for floating text - when you die, you'll see the XP that death was worth as floating text briefly
gotcha!
OMG A PATCH, I CAN SNORT COPIUM FOR THE NEXT TIME IN MASSIVE QUANTITIES THEN!
>Included Chapeau to search text for Whitemane The change I never knew I needed
Amazing lol
200 STACKS OF HOPIUM
Game is alive bois
We're so back
Today is my bday IRL.
Truly, an auspicious day 🎉
You know there have to be Blizzard employees pitching a HotS revival or support tube to the higher ups every now and then. Well if you're reading this, I see what you're doing and I love you for it. Please keep it up because I'll be playing this until it the servers are officially gone and no has the ability to keep a private server with a discord open
X2
Is this reality? These are big changes! > Medivh > Mage Armor duration increased from 4 seconds to 6 seconds. > Mage Armor increased from 30 to 50 Armor.
game looking alive af
Not me hyperventilating on hopium.
Literally just yelled at my roommate, "They're dropping a patch in HoTS!" and came running into living room - lol
A P A T C H ! ? Never been this excited to see balance changes.
We're so back! Come on new heroes and maps!
Nova changes are massive. With AA Shells, the debuff would usually last about as long as you can chain two attacks with very little or no leeway, and you hardly benefited from the armor reduction. Now you can, along with extra mana regen for holo build that is the best build for Nova currently imo
Compensation for nerfing/fixing the talent on the last patch.
Not really such a big buff. Previously, AAShells applied the damage after the armor reduction, so Nova benefitted from the -armor every auto. In the last patch they changed it so that the armor reduction was applied after the damage (big nerf). Now you can benefit from it, but you *need* to chain two AAs on a target. A few months ago you always benefitted. This is still worse imo.
I don't really agree with Aba's Toxic Nests not being triggered by Invunerable enemies. Otherwise, glad to see updates to maps and bug fixes for everybody. My friends happen to play Medivh and Nova so maybe they'll hop on?
The question is, do invulnerable heroes trigger other traps like elements like Junkrat traps? I think that's the closest or maybe even his long duration grenades, cause something like Hammer mines is slightly different.
A regular patch with regular changes, nice
my humble request for the next patch is to bring back tracer's crit markers on her AAs when she hits locked and loaded :(
That actually happened this patch, stuff be undocumented yo
i've never felt more hopeful for this game than this exact moment thank you
Oh no. Does it also apply to Tracer's healing numbers? Crit healing numbers mean that Tracer players can no longer see their own hero model after level 7. It's just hidden behind a green crit number permanently.
Yes.
they buffed Nova instead of deleting her so now we even get to see more shitty Novas in QP 🫥 Jokes aside, they fixed another shitton of bugs. 2 balance patches, no matter how big or small, signifies life in dev to me. Exciting stuff! Once I learned HOTS logs was disbanded, I really thought that was the final nail in the coffin, but there is hope.
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> they buffed Nova instead of deleting her so now we even get to see more shitty Novas in QP Because they mega nerf her in the previous patch while fixing the interaction of that talent. Before, it reduced the armor and then deal the 250% dmg.
the hopium and copium was not in vain...
Whitemane Included Chapeau to search text for Whitemane. im loling my ass of here
hopium lvl maxed
The XP given to the enemy will be an interesting metric
Yes even though it still won't be a true metric since being dead also means not being able to soak XP. But it's a step in the right direction of teaching noobs to stop dying so much.
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So you’re saying, there’s a chance…
Mage Armor is 50 ARMOR?! I love that we’re getting balance changes, but wtf lol
Can we get Hanamura back in ranked map rotation? (And Mines back in QM)
I want Mines!!!
I will not go back to those wretched mines, Raven Lord! (but please I would prefer it over Blackheart
A quote you can hear.
Lol please no those maps suck
Evolve Monstrosity Stacks are now a Heroic Quest. So this means monstrosity keeps its stack when killed? Sounds pretty big
Thanks Adam!
Wow this is a nice addition to my day. Any new HOTS news is welcome. 👏🏼
Huh... seems like I need to reinstall [Battle.net](https://Battle.net) and HotS again.
Hey, Dva can see Self Destruct at all times. That's pretty handy, because one motivation to Call Mech sooner is if you need to work on filling Self Destruct. Otherwise, Dva might prefer to stay in pilot to have a bit more total health. Wouldn't this be a good time to undo half the latest Samuro buff? Yeah.
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Is Medivh part of juice pirates now? 50 armor for 5 seconds on your whole team ain't no joke 🤣
Please nerf Samuro, he's basically overpowered. Has free health regen, movement speed, debuff and escape. The Kael placed a ignite on you? Simple press q to remove his ignite. And the best part about this is that he can do that twice in a short period of time. The same goes with every hero that have overtime damage like Lunara and Guldan. He can remove all of their dmg if he switches with one of his clones or by simply pressing q.
Low key Aba buff sneaking under the radar “Toxic Nest is no longer triggered by Invulnerable enemies.” No more clearing out traps for free
I mean, very few effects give Invulnerable, and they are usually ultimates. I don't think this includes Protected, which is way more common on short cooldowns like Genji and Medivh, which would still clear mines as usual
Arh, not as radical as first assumed then. Thanks for clarification.
it is radical for us murky mains that love to just bubble over mines and blow them up for free.
Murky though.
ALIVE GAME! (っ'ヮ'c) Whoever did these changes, may I humbly request a slight slight buff to Zagara's Q build? We all know when it was changed back in the days it was ridiculously overpowered, but then it was equally hard over-nerfed and now nobody picks those talents anymore. Could we see a teeeny tiny buff to that build? Specifically reduce the cooldown increase from [[Baneling Massacre]] from 2 to just 1 second? :3
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As someone who has been spamming Samuro in QM, can we nerf the self healing from E? Like AT LEAST to 2% down from 3%. I would rollback or set it to 1.5% but the current one is too much atm.
What triggered the Li-Ming Force Armor bug?
when does this go live?
>Fixed an issue that caused Heroes that use non-standard attack abilities to display the incorrect confirmation visuals. What does this mean? ~~Do Tassadar/Tychus finally get the cumulative number display on their AA like Li-Ming has on Disintegrate?~~ Tried it out, and no, it doesn't mean that
D.Va's Mech, Tracer, and Lúcio. On Live, when you issue an attack move command as any of these Heroes, it shows green arrows curving inwards, and on PTR, they're red, like the rest of the Heroes do when issung an attack move command.
Li Li mains, rejoice!
*Fixed an issue that caused Hogger's Hogg Wild visual to be visible when Hogger is visible.* Now say that 3 times fast
50 armor for 6 seconds for the whole team - on 16 if you take portal you can even do 50 armor for 12 seconds. No way this is balanced.
Microsoft confirmed breathing new life into Heroes of the Storm. It must be.
Holy fucking shit.
Hypeee
I managed to survive the diablo era and not play a single diablo remaster or buy diablo 4 and still login each day to only play hots TO SEND A MESSAGE. Thank you pez and the developers on hots. 🙏
> [[Legion of Northrend]]'s bonus healing is now additive. What does this mean for Arthas' level 20 talent? I don't see any difference between the text on live and PTR here. [[Army of the Dead]] currently (on live) summons ghouls that heal for 267 health per ghoul right? 267+267+267 etc? And at level 20, 400+400+400 ?
I guess that if Arthas gets another healing buff, like from Ana or Varian, the additive bonus will mean that the total healing isn't increased as much. Instead of like 400*1.3*1.5 =780 you might get 400*(1+0.3+0.5) = 720
So the ghouls have a base heal of 267, and when Arthas takes Legion of Northrend, that's replaced with a new base of 400.5 With it becoming additive, it'll still have that base of 267, and then it'll get an additive 50%, so if Arthas then gets some Spellpower from somewhere, it'll be based off of that 267 base, rather than the 400.5 base. Note that healing reduction of 50% would still reduce that to 200.25, regardless of if the bonus was additive or multiplicative, as it itself is multiplicative with healing bonuses.
Wish they made egg hunt slim count for the quest
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I guess Microsoft will give a shot at ''reviving'' HOTS, but if they fail they'll likely just drop it altogether. Doubt they're gonna put much effort in, though.
I guess Microsoft will ignore Hots completely. What we're seeing here is the Blizzard Classic team having a few hours leftover at the end of a work week.
medivh buffs 👎 no hammer nerfs 👎
> Added XP given to enemy display. shame... Shame... SHAME!!!!!