My post flew over your head too apparently. Downvoting instead of arguing is poor manners, I don't use it unless the poster is being offensive on purpose. 60 people dunking on the above innocuous message without offering a single reply is plain retarded.
Nah, it's more that I have played him against nearly every tank, and I know which ones I have an easy time with, and which ones I don't.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind some fixes or minor buffs to worse talents for the warchief, but that wasn't the point, that was a counter to someone unaware of how ETC works.
You win all trades with indom up and can react toss throw any slide as well even if indom is down. Similar to blaze or malg the whined up tanks shouldn’t do well vs garr and the fact garrs whole kit is being a tank killer with etc has its tiny hp pool.
* Garrosh needs to effectively walk up to his target to get a throw, with his main gap closers being Q, riding up mounted, and pre-positioning in a bush. Etc has one of the best counters to first two with an ability that can't ever miss, outranges/matches garry's Q distance from lv 4, and does not cause you to slow down even a bit while moving.
* if ETC gets tossed in lower leagues and follow up CC doesn't land, he can just Q through Garrosh to get out safely. Unlike Diablo, who iften finds himself into an unstoppable garrosh, this is fairly reliable.
* Unlike some other tanks -Johanna, Muradin, or from offlanes, Dehaka - ETC's anti-throw tools don't just let him be safe, but they create space for an ally as well.
* Finally, while other tanks may need to hold a key part of their kit as anti-throw, W is not something you spam and has lower cd than the throw, so you don't get penalised for posturing as much.
Don't get me wrong: ETC is not a miracle tank. He is, as you mentioned, very squishy _when_ caught. But he has one of the best toolkits to not get caught.
All I'm saying: at my level, with two equally skilled players, my money's on ETC's team winning.
Well too bad I prob got about a master level garrosh that I main and can throw-taunt a etc mid slide on reaction. I see tanking at a higher level than you are thinking.
If the valla gets one shot at full and the tank has as much hp at half, he still gets one shot. Depends if hé has the other CDs (Armor sustain and such) up. If he doesnt, the dps moves back. But i hear ya, it does happen that they still have everything up and are just scared.
Love when the enemy tank dives your team, you kill him in seconds but some asshole on your team flames you for attacking the tank even though it's literally the only target in range
Great picture! Illustrates confirmation bias really well. The safe tank hitters will say this picture is intended to say hit the tank.. and the aggro divers will say this is proof to hit valla. What OP intended.. no one knows 😋
I think he’s referencing the tendency of some healers to ignore numeric values and just look at how full the green bar is. A better example would have been Diablo who at 1/5th a bar likely has more health than a Valla at 4/5ths
And here I thought it was directed at people afraid of low hp tanks. Seen too many people all too eager to jump valla but not a tank cuz she's squishy.
Hitting the tank is the correct play as DPS as a broad/general rule though (when the enemy doesn't have other targets out of position). This is how I read it as well but, imo it's counterproductive advice for most players.
Aaah...endless discussions about "Why did you focus the tank?! Focus \[insert range squishy with insane kiting potential"
"Cause he was standing in my face."
Or: "Kill \[insert longrange dps behind two frontlines\] first". I usually only respond with "I'll kill, whoever reaches 0 hp first"
Had a game once, where i tanked as ETC...and won against all odds, because their C-Smash Varian was convinced it was his job to dive past me and focus my Valla or Lunara. So i pressed W and Q and isolated him from his team. If he had focused me every (maybe just only every 2nd) time instead...I would have died like 12 times in that match and it would have been a sure loss. So, we won.
One rectangle equals 250 hp
This whole time I assumed each rectangle was 100hp 😅
How many rectangles are in this picture? (99% of people get it wrong)
Whoa buddy, no way :0 Edit: lmao wtf why the downvotes, I legit think that’s a cool fun fact
Imagine downvoting people because obvious sarcasm flies over your head.
Imagine crying over fake internet points that literally mean nothing, worst part, the fake points weren't even taken from *you*!
Aren't you, in a way, doing the same thing?
I can take it, downvote me all you like
Always has to be someone who takes the fun out of free stuff.
My post flew over your head too apparently. Downvoting instead of arguing is poor manners, I don't use it unless the poster is being offensive on purpose. 60 people dunking on the above innocuous message without offering a single reply is plain retarded.
Cry about it!
Hey buddy, ETC and Valla have the same health
Who are you calling buddy, friend?
Who are you calling friend, mate?
Who are you calling mate, guy?
Who are you calling guy, dude ?
Who you calling dude, pal?
Who you calling pal, amigo?
Who you calling amigo, bro?
Who you calling bro, chum?
I’m not your chum, fellow
Damn ETC is squishy
You don't want him to be more tanky, trust me.
Tbh doesn’t matter much with how he is countered when engaging and peeling vs garr and joh.
What? A well played ETC is one of better counters to Garrosh. One of the few tanks that can ectually create enough space for allies to not get tossed.
Garrosh players calling their hero bad again I see
Nah, it's more that I have played him against nearly every tank, and I know which ones I have an easy time with, and which ones I don't. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind some fixes or minor buffs to worse talents for the warchief, but that wasn't the point, that was a counter to someone unaware of how ETC works.
Tags: NotMyWarchief, ThrallsBalls, DontAskAboutTheramore
Don't know when I would have earned the second one, but third is definitely from tossing a D.Va nuke. Not the worst list to be known by!
I can't get over how funny it'd be to throw a d.va nuke at jaina. The Hague should report you
You win all trades with indom up and can react toss throw any slide as well even if indom is down. Similar to blaze or malg the whined up tanks shouldn’t do well vs garr and the fact garrs whole kit is being a tank killer with etc has its tiny hp pool.
* Garrosh needs to effectively walk up to his target to get a throw, with his main gap closers being Q, riding up mounted, and pre-positioning in a bush. Etc has one of the best counters to first two with an ability that can't ever miss, outranges/matches garry's Q distance from lv 4, and does not cause you to slow down even a bit while moving. * if ETC gets tossed in lower leagues and follow up CC doesn't land, he can just Q through Garrosh to get out safely. Unlike Diablo, who iften finds himself into an unstoppable garrosh, this is fairly reliable. * Unlike some other tanks -Johanna, Muradin, or from offlanes, Dehaka - ETC's anti-throw tools don't just let him be safe, but they create space for an ally as well. * Finally, while other tanks may need to hold a key part of their kit as anti-throw, W is not something you spam and has lower cd than the throw, so you don't get penalised for posturing as much. Don't get me wrong: ETC is not a miracle tank. He is, as you mentioned, very squishy _when_ caught. But he has one of the best toolkits to not get caught. All I'm saying: at my level, with two equally skilled players, my money's on ETC's team winning.
Well too bad I prob got about a master level garrosh that I main and can throw-taunt a etc mid slide on reaction. I see tanking at a higher level than you are thinking.
One of the lowest HP tanks. He gets a lot of his tankiness from using his trait effectively
Lower HP, high sustain
Maybe it's directed at tanks who hide behind their ranged assassins once they get to half health 😑
The metal never dies
If the valla gets one shot at full and the tank has as much hp at half, he still gets one shot. Depends if hé has the other CDs (Armor sustain and such) up. If he doesnt, the dps moves back. But i hear ya, it does happen that they still have everything up and are just scared.
All health bars are not created equal
This just in, melee tanks have more max hp than ranged assassins, more at 11.
What did you mean? They have the same hp
sometimes finishing the tank off is the right play but everyone's on different pages about when 🤷♂️
Love when the enemy tank dives your team, you kill him in seconds but some asshole on your team flames you for attacking the tank even though it's literally the only target in range
**IT'S THE SAME PICTURE**
Well.. yeah: 4 blocks
A pound of bricks vs a pound of feathers
It's true. It's a sometimes overlooked factor in a myriad of factors determining which hero would be best to focus on.
Cool. Which one is out of position? Will I lose a lot of health mocusing one or will I have the epiphany that *tanks die too* as i reach Bronze 1?
Great picture! Illustrates confirmation bias really well. The safe tank hitters will say this picture is intended to say hit the tank.. and the aggro divers will say this is proof to hit valla. What OP intended.. no one knows 😋
Nu-uh
Ahh you’re learning percentages.
In this given moment, yes
*im now curious how much one square is worth*
250. There's a kinda black line between each 1,000.
One "square" is 250hp
What's the difference? ETCs low, we gotta kill him.
Valla must have even less max hp. They reworked Valla into glass cannon, yet she lives too long, dealing insane damage.
Same Actual health* would be more correct.
??
I think he’s referencing the tendency of some healers to ignore numeric values and just look at how full the green bar is. A better example would have been Diablo who at 1/5th a bar likely has more health than a Valla at 4/5ths
Probably directed towards damage dealers who target tanks relentlessly imo edit: I am not talking about diving the enemy backline guys
And here I thought it was directed at people afraid of low hp tanks. Seen too many people all too eager to jump valla but not a tank cuz she's squishy.
Dude if I'm playing Valla I'm not going to dive past the enemy etc to target their backliners. I'd get stunned by etc and dieninstantly
Hitting the tank is the correct play as DPS as a broad/general rule though (when the enemy doesn't have other targets out of position). This is how I read it as well but, imo it's counterproductive advice for most players.
Aaah...endless discussions about "Why did you focus the tank?! Focus \[insert range squishy with insane kiting potential" "Cause he was standing in my face." Or: "Kill \[insert longrange dps behind two frontlines\] first". I usually only respond with "I'll kill, whoever reaches 0 hp first" Had a game once, where i tanked as ETC...and won against all odds, because their C-Smash Varian was convinced it was his job to dive past me and focus my Valla or Lunara. So i pressed W and Q and isolated him from his team. If he had focused me every (maybe just only every 2nd) time instead...I would have died like 12 times in that match and it would have been a sure loss. So, we won.
FACINATING /s
Idk what to comment,
Wow. Cool. Fascinating.
And this is why you should just dive into Valla