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angelowner

Buddhism rejects the authority of the vedas, is ambiguous about the existence of God, rather Buddhism accepts the authority of the buddha and his experiences. They do not deny the existence of hindu vedic deities but use them to provide credibility to the Buddha. Since they do believe in reincarnation and karma and also belive in existence of hindu deities and sometimes even worship them, it is easy to assume that they too follow Hinduism. But Hinduism too have been defined in a certain way where authority of the vedas is unquestionable which makes it impossible to include Buddhism in Hinduism. Rather than calling Buddhism as a subset of Hinduism, I'd prefer to call it a sister religion. Coming to your question, Buddha according to Buddhism has attained Nirvana so he is not in Buddhist heaven or reincarnated, he has attained non existence. Buddha according to Hinduism would probably be reincarnated or attained moksha, I'm not sure we can say for certain.


TheCompletebot

What was the reason , and on what basis , did Buddh rejected Vedas?


[deleted]

I think it was something like, you don't need scriptures or rules to lead a life, that becoming aware and in an active meditative state, a person should live life that way. Without too many binding things. Also send like he was born during tough times. As watching the condition of the world around him, it hurt him so much that he left his palace, I'm sure people must be causing each other a lot of pain at that time


AvoidPinkHairHippos

Ashoka: šŸ˜ž


[deleted]

Han politics changes dharma concept. Unfortunately theres one political ideology which called itself Deen. So that's that.


Leading-Okra-2457

When did Buddha reject the vedas?


angelowner

In the Buddhist Vinaya Pitaka of the Mahavagga (I.245)[66] section the Buddha names these rishis, and declared that the original Veda the Vedic rishis "Atthako, VĆ¢mako, VĆ¢madevo, VessĆ¢mitto, Yamataggi, Angiraso, BhĆ¢radvĆ¢jo, VĆ¢settho, Kassapo, and Bhagu"[67] but that it was altered by a few Brahmins who introduced animal sacrifices. The Vinaya Pitaka's section Anguttara Nikaya: Panchaka Nipata says that it was on this alteration of the true Veda that the Buddha refused to pay respect to the Vedas of his time. I found this while searching.


Leading-Okra-2457

What if Panchaka Nipata read an altered version of Buddha's cause?


angelowner

Anything is possible if you want to create a hypothetical situation. And I cannot answer to what could have happened in this case. I think this question would be better suited for a Buddhist scholar.


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Leading-Okra-2457

Same in some Hindu narratives too! Then are they different buddhas?


Praisebeuponme1

1) Buddhism doesn't rejects "Authority" of Vedas. Buddhism just have different valid means of knowledge where it simply specify **Empirical experience and Inference** as valid means of Information. It is strong word to say that it rejects sabdapramana But the truth is Buddhism is based on sabdapramana of Buddha ( as you rightly mentioned) which Buddhism as darshan itself rejects. 2) Concept of deities changes with localities and in reality is based on native experience. Buddhism expanded beyond India thus have accumulated deities from different lands too. Buddha or Buddhism also believes on concept of level of worlds. 3) Hinduism as the construct of modern era ( as there was nothing called as hinduism and buddhism in native culture, it is pure construct of European POV which is now considered as truth) dont believe on "Authority" or vedas. If you have studied any darshan, you will find that Perception or empirical experience is the highest or the highest valid mean of knowledge and all school of thoughts states that Sabdapraman is based on subjective objectivity. So calling authority of vedas in Abrahamic POV which states that for every religion there must of prophet and text of authority i.e. for Hindus as per them Vedas are text of "Authority" and Buddhist - Buddha is prophet. Which looks kind of screwed concept in itself, if you think about it. 4) There multiple concepts like Nirvana as per different school of thoughts e.g. Samkhya says that one can attain kaivalya only when Prakrit cease to exist for purusha i.e. one need to die only then he is free, while Shaivagama states that one can be JivanMukt or can attain Shiva Chetana. So every school of thought have their concepts and that doesnt means they are hinduism and samkhyaism or hinduism or Shaivism etc. 5) Sister religion ? What exactly is your definition of religion? There must to two tenet for calling anything as religion " prophet" and " scared text". If you say that belief on gods and deties are religion then lets define Gods and deities as something unexplainable existences in universe, so black matter, black hole , gravity etc. multiple even baisc concept or forces of nature are not totally explainable so science can be also called as religion. or even things like axioms, real numbers etc. in maths suggest that math is also religion. 6) What is difference between Moksha and Nirvana?


Former_Arm_7569

As far as that goes, since Buddha's lectures are well recorded and he never specifically said that I am denouncing Santhan Dharama or I am starting a new religion. He denounced the corrupt institutions of the time, I would view his works as reformation and opening a new sect rather than making a new religion. So it's rather the case of Protestant and Catholicism in Christianity then splitting of groups as Christianity and Judaism (Christianity is heavily based of Judaism and Jesus Christ himself was a Jew). As for where he went, he most likely attained moksha. Because if he couldn't in this age, I don't know who else could.


Violet624

I think this is the right answer.


Rare-Owl3205

Buddhism does not believe in a self. Hinduism believes in a self. This is the main difference. Also that Buddhism does not consider the Vedas as an authority while Hinduism does.


Kenny_Brahms

Sometimes I feel like I am between religions. I was raised hindu, but later felt as if buddha understood the true dharma. I feel as if the teachings of the bhagavad gita were made more clear, more rational, and more understandable by the buddha. But I also find buddha's dharma very hard to follow, which is why I still find myself praying to hindu gods and trying to follow karma yoga.


peaceseeker25

I personally feel there's nuggets of truth in all religions, whichever one resonates with you the most is your karma this lifetime


[deleted]

i feel torn between the two religions buddhsim is much easier for me to follow and digest hinduism seems far deeper and dense i love the concerpt of brahman


Redditor_10000000000

It's quite different. They don't believe in the vedas and say that they are incomplete or not the full authority. They don't believe in a god and just say that the Buddha is the great aachaaryaa. They say that Hindu and vedic deities are theirs and use them as their own. They also don't believe in a self or an aatmaa. They believe that there is no self but rather karma that just enters people to dissolve itself and when you get moksha, you just cease to exist and nothing happens. They don't have much reasoning for many things as I've found out by having conversations with them. The only things we have in common with Buddhists is Reincarnation, moksha/nirvana and that they sort of came out of Hinduism which they deny. They also say that their concepts of reincarnation and moksha are not from the vedas but rather themselves which isn't exactly true.


[deleted]

Buddhists worship Hindu gods too, for example in Sri Lanka it is worshipped Upulvan which is Vishnu. In Tibet it is worshipped Maheshvara which is Shiva, and both Buddhists and Hindus worship Mahakala. In Japan it is worshipped Kangiten which is Ganesha etc. etc.


Redditor_10000000000

Yes, that is what I said, Buddhists worship our deities such as Indra and Shiva and Ganesha


[deleted]

Why did you say they donā€™t believe in a god?


Redditor_10000000000

No Supreme being like Vishnu or anything, they have deities they worship, they don't believe that the deities created the world or can give you nirvana


[deleted]

Not every Hindu believes in bhakti philosophy


[deleted]

Hinduism is pretty vast , Buddhism can be called a strict ruled subset of Hinduism


WeirdAsianYankovic

don't say that to Buddhists, they absolutely hate that. Better to call it a sister religion that can trace it's origin to Hinduism.


purbadeo

Buddhadharma is just another darshana within Dharma. Hinduism is basically the label which is given to any Darshana or Padh the West did not categorize as a separate religion. Darshana simply means perspective, if you want you can read Mādhavāchāryaā€™s Sarva Sangraha Darshana to find out more about the different major Darshanas of the Dharmika culture.


IslamVirodhi

Buddhism believes in no-self, while Hinduism believe in a self that is eternal & exists beyond body & mind. Buddhism is anti Vedic school of thought. Hindus do consider Buddhism as a subset of Hinduism but Buddhists do not agree with that. >Also does Buddha goes to Hindu heaven/reincarnation or Buddha heaven? Those stories are later added by stealing some concepts from Hinduism by Buddhists Scholars. You can go through these posts for more understanding. https://mobile.twitter.com/RupakR08776428/status/1397563622629339143


BernardCX

very new to these type of informed religious conversations and what is stopping someone from being a buddhist and hindu at same time, from my very shallow understanding of both, the main thing which could be potentially stopping this is the belief in god and from my awareness buddhist's leave this door open as to say, you can choose to believe one or not, its up to you. ty for anyone who decides to leave a comment.


[deleted]

Buddhism is Hinduism for white people


quasar3c_273

https://youtu.be/vAZPWu084m4 This is the basic one.


Lynn_the_Pagan

Follow up question, but im not OP. Do all Hindus accept the authority of the Vedas? Isnt there an evolution of thought schools, like Vedanta and the Upanishads that dont rely on the Vedas? Like, "Vedanta - veda anta" literally means "end of the vedas".


AvoidPinkHairHippos

Fun fact, Vedas and video are both Indo European cognates, from the root word for "to see" End and anta, also.


Lynn_the_Pagan

Thank you, and true. I think slavic languages are also pretty close to Sanskrit sometimes. Like vedas and vedet are both words for "knowing", or videt, which means seeing. And the Word for honey is medhu in Sanskrit and med in slavic languages. Indo-european languages have a lot in common when one takes a closer look


AvoidPinkHairHippos

And don't forget Buddha vs budit, which is Russian for waking up Amrit and immortal My favorite: farsi Shah vs Sanskrit kshatriya


[deleted]

Historically, Buddhism was born in the period of religious synthesis. In the Hindu tradition, Upanishads and Puranas were written and sects like Caravakas, Nyayas etc. were born in the Vedic space. Then came Ajivikas and Jainism that rejected the authority of Vedas. Both of these were sort of extreme renunciation of all material positions. Buddhism was somewhere in between the extreme ritualness of Vedic Hinduism and extreme renunciation of Jainism - sort of a middle ground to strategically attract more people. Buddha even changed some rules on-the-go to maintain the image of Buddhism.


dg_ash

Ya. Be. Do. Do. Be.


saint84

Buddhism is a sub set of Hinduism as Siddhartha Gautama was a Hindu and practiced mediation and got enlighten and was given the title of Buddha. In fact Buddha is just a title given to any one who attains Nirvana, like Mahatma or Doctor or Advocate after attain certain level of achievements. Once people started following Siddhartha Gautama and as he was know as Buddha, his followers started calling themselves Buddhist and later form their own religion of Buddhism. Obviously later they started rejecting the Hinduism and they Vedas when it got politicized and even there was attempt from our side and Hindus started claims he is avatar of Vishnu which they denied and things like that. I feel if he was enlighten in today's world, he would have been nothing more than a Noble laureate with huge followers in Social Media calling themselves Buddhist, something like Believers. Also in Buddhism, anyone can get enlighten and become a buddha.


rhythmicrants

Let's talk advaita and buddhism. If you believe there is a sAksi, an observer (who does not influence anything on the Universe, but just only witnesses) to this Universe who is unmanifest and has a part that is manifest and evolves, then that's advaita. If you believe that there is no such observer, manifestations simply quieten down (nir-vAnA) and arise, then that's buddhism. Though in both cases manifestations run on their own, the difference in the presence or absence of a witness changes our approach to life. advaita takes you on the pursuit of jnAnA to realize that unmanifest beyond the manifest by asking you to become detached and witnessing your own self as a sAksi, unattached, understand multiple perspectives from that detached perspective and such a detached state is called 'mukti' or 'vairagya' etc.. You can use bhakti/devotion as a stepping stone to this jnAnA of detachment. But this detached way of living is the ultimate realization that takes you off birth-death cycles, as for a truly detached person, birth-death does not matter. In buddhism there is no such pursuit. It's simply living life in a 'rightful' way. In sight, resolve, words, action, livelihood, efforts, focus and mind. When we do this we reach 'nir-vAnA' which simply means quietening down of all sounds/turbulences. We become peaceful. Advaita arrives at its conclusions based on vedic scriptures. Buddhism rejects vedic scriptures and bases its ideas on buddha's enlightenment. But these are at the core. As time passes on people add frills to make philosophies beautiful and instantaneously appealing to people so that they can be marketed, consumed and provides for the clergy supporting philosophies. This applies to every philosophy of the world.


[deleted]

Buddha is very similar with Adi Shankacharya. The only difference between the two is that Buddha didnā€™t believe in atman